how can you establish a deep hook with the american leathery kangaroo or bigshot gloves? its near impossible
Buy a different glove.
I've been using a Neet glove that allows me to still feel the string, yet use a deep hook.
the one with the leather tips?
I switched gloves to the neet glove because of the same issue...then I switched to a 3 under tab. The tab is the way to go for a deep hook imo!
I worked Montana Pitch Blend into the fingers of my Full Shot - a few times- it broke in after a while. Takes some time though.
I haven't shot the gloves you have; do the inserts interfere with your hook? If so, you can remove them.
I use a Bear Master glove with no problems. It has a single thickness leather without any seam or ridge and the stalls are pretty deep.
I tried the American Leathers glove and couldnt get it to feel just right with my deep hook. Went back to a RMSG glove and had better feel for the string and a better release. But, I recently went to a Bateman cordovan tab and it works great with a deep hook. I had never shot a tab before last month, and I really like it.
use a tab !
I can get a deep hook with my american leathers bigshot and my Bateman with cordovan. It did take some time and Montana pitch blend for the Bateman.
When you talk about a deep hook is this considered the first knuckle crease or is it deeper than that.
The Neet deerskin glove with Cordovan fingertips was designed for a deep hook. When I asked Neet to make the glove I told them it needed to accommodate the deep hook. I like what they came up with.
acollins. To answer your question, at least for me, a deep hook is actually holding the string between the first two joints. I suppose you can call that a really deep hook. Absolutely eliminates any tension in the hand or forearm allowing me to fully engage the use of my back muscles. Never thought I could get a clean release but that is no problem. I use a dynamic release and a Bateman tab. Try it. I think you'll like it.
Try the Bearpaw Black Glove.
QuoteOriginally posted by acollins:
When you talk about a deep hook is this considered the first knuckle crease or is it deeper than that.
It's my understanding (mostly through posts of Arne "Moebow" Moe) that the term "Deep Hook" is supposed to describe how much your fingers curl back (towards your elbow), and NOT how far on your finger you're placing the string. So, if you're already shooting with the string in the crease of the first knuckle, when you start using a "Deep Hook," you will still have the string in the first knuckle crease. You would just be concentrating on pointing your fingertips back more.
So, for the original post, the glove shouldn't affect that unless the leather is too stiff to bend at that knuckle. In which case, I would do as others have suggested and just work on conditioning the leather until it bends where ya want it to. Hope this helps somebody. :dunno: If I completely missed the point of either question, please, feel free to disregard everything that I have typed. :D
QuoteOriginally posted by Fattony77:
QuoteOriginally posted by acollins:
When you talk about a deep hook is this considered the first knuckle crease or is it deeper than that.
It's my understanding (mostly through posts of Arne "Moebow" Moe) that the term "Deep Hook" is supposed to describe how much your fingers curl back (towards your elbow), and NOT how far on your finger you're placing the string. So, if you're already shooting with the string in the crease of the first knuckle, when you start using a "Deep Hook," you will still have the string in the first knuckle crease. You would just be concentrating on pointing your fingertips back more.
So, for the original post, the glove shouldn't affect that unless the leather is too stiff to bend at that knuckle. In which case, I would do as others have suggested and just work on conditioning the leather until it bends where ya want it to. Hope this helps somebody. :dunno: If I completely missed the point of either question, please, feel free to disregard everything that I have typed. :D [/b]
Yup, the deep hook is less about where the string sets in your fingers, more about the curl back.
I use American Leathers Krossover exclusively, with a first knuckle deep hook. No problems at all.
I use a deep hook with the big shot....not a problem
I use a deep hook with the big shot....not a problem
QuoteOriginally posted by nhbuck1:
the one with the leather tips?
THIS one:
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I also find it easier to get a deep hook using a tab as well.
Made my own tabs
I had John at American Leathers make my Kangaroo Krossover gloves medium in size, but with extra long size finger stalls. Works great, and I use a deep hook.
I just purchased a buffalo big shot. Zero problems with deep hook, there was plenty there to do it but ive got big hands and take an XL.
By the way, between the krossover and buffalo bigshot, I like the bigshot better, and is far better protection.
Stay at it with the Crossover.. I like gloves to be tight initially, took a while to be able to get a deep hook, pitch blend helps.
Going from a damascus glove to the Crossover, seems like I consistently get a cleaner, quieter release.
I have the Kangaroo Krossover glove. At first, the plastic inserts sewn into the tips prevents your fingers from bending completely at the first knuckle. After time, the plastic loses its rigidity and becomes more flexible, allowing for the "deep hook" method.
Food for thought:
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I also have no problem getting a deep hook with my Black Widow Sticktite.
Why I use a tab.
I'm with you, tracker12. Was visiting my bud in PA this past weekend and ended up shooting his bow as I hadn't brought mine. He is a former sight shooter whom I have gotten to go the fixed crawl route. He shoots really well and in fact had his first Robin Hood, ruining a couple of brandy new GT blems. He was actually going to remove the penetrating arrow and I told him no way. Have to mount that baby in his man cave. Anyway, to the point of this post. He shoots with a Neet glove which I had to use. Had a very difficult time positioning the index finger under the fixed crawl brass nock. Additionally, I couldn't get my hook deep enough to feel comfortable. Definitely placed more strain on the fingers, hand and forearm while coming to full draw. A tab is so much easier and a lot less cumbersome.
So THAT's deep hook?!!!
I always thought I used "deep hook" because I held the string in my first knuckle, FROM THE FINGER TIP.
So it's actually the first knuckle from the palm?
I've been doing this for thirty years and never seen anyone other than little kids hold the string in this way. I guess it's possible because so many of you do it but I just can't see how you can get a clean release.
I'm going to give it a go next time I shoot. I learned something today.
I think there is still some confusion here about what constitutes a "deep hook". The article posted near the bottom of page 2 indicates the deep hook as being in the crease of the second joint of the finger, and a correct hook as being in the crease of the first joint from the finger tip.
I've always understood the "deep hook" to be either in the crease of the first joint from the fingertip or slightly above that but short of the crease in the second joint.
I used to shoot from my fingertips. Not good as it is nearly impossible to properly relax the fingers at release when gripping the string that way.
I'm with Red Beastmaster, I've never seen anyone shoot from the crease of the second joint. But I'm willing to be enlightened.
"I've always understood the "deep hook" to be either in the crease of the first joint from the fingertip or slightly above that but short of the crease in the second joint."
That's how I have switched to holding the string this last year. I'm finding I have much more leverage holding it deeper in that position and it puts way less stress on my hand and fingers.
I'm also getting a much cleaner release this way as it seems the finger tips get clear of the path of the string much faster as they're relaxed, rather than tense with holding the draw weight. I can't remember the last time I 'plucked' the string while holding a deep hook.
Think Dave may have the answer if you can use a tab. Might find an old sewed finger cordovan glove on the net and try it. Some of the old ones had really stiff fingers which would work.
I didn't read through the whole thread.
My black widow Stick Tite glove has excellent leather and deep finger stalls. I really like it. You can get the version that has the nylon over the tips as well. It is nice.