Going to try grizzly 150 anyone using these how good of blood trail and i know it depends on shot .
But after a good quartering away shot !
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Seen it go both ways? Lol, just seems to be what gets cut and all that jazz. I used to use the older 160s.
Course with any head I have seen meager trails and then trails a blind man could follow.
I'm using the same heads this year and anxious to see what the results will be like. Hopefully I get a chance to find out!
Same here.
Sometimes no blood, sometimes a lot of blood.
You'll get two holes. Thats for sure.
QuoteOriginally posted by J-dog:
Seen it go both ways? Lol, just seems to be what gets cut and all that jazz. I used to use the older 160s.
Course with any head I have seen meager trails and then trails a blind man could follow.
My experience also.
Depends on how high or low the exit is no matter the broadhead in my opinion. RC
My friend Michael Arnette showed me some pictures of some of his grizzly blood trails and they were very impressive
The single bevel broadheads do a great job, but then so does any other sharp broadhead.
When asking about blood trails with a broadhead, there are so many things to factor in that there honestly can't be a "generic" answer. Shot placement, state of the animal, all play a role in what kind of blood trail is left for us to follow.
With all that said, one big advantage of the single bevel heads is their ability to go through bone. On a deer last year, I had a Grizzly enter in a shoulder blade and exit through the lower end of the other one.
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I use single bevel Tuffheads, I have killed a mule deer and several whitetails with them. The hole stays open, and there is always an in and an out....making for great blood trails. They have always been short, however. :bigsmyl:
I've shot three animals with single bevel heads, two don't really count, a grouse that took one step and collapsed, a rabbit that was stuck where it was by the arrow and third, a deer that fell in sight and I didn't look for blood.
I shot last year's bear with a SB Cutthroat. Could have jogged the blood trail. Like others here, I appreciate the pass throughs consistent with single bevels. (http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o691/toddgregory1/IMG_1163_zpsoth4gnia.jpg) (http://s1338.photobucket.com/user/toddgregory1/media/IMG_1163_zpsoth4gnia.jpg.html)
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I shot single beveled two blades last year, my experience was that I found dead them very polarizing. Either I had a bloody massacre for a trail, or not much of one at all. (All the shots I'm talking about would be considered very good shots.) For this reason I've switched to 3blade Woodsmans. All I've killed with them so far is pigs and turkeys, but I have been nothing short of very pleased with the blood trails. Single bevels are great heads though, don't get me wrong. They will shoot through just a about anything. Just my .02. My wife tells me that my .02 isn't worth much however lol.
QuoteOriginally posted by tim roberts:
The single bevel broadheads do a great job, but then so does any other sharp broadhead.
When asking about blood trails with a broadhead, there are so many things to factor in that there honestly can't be a "generic" answer. Shot placement, state of the animal, all play a role in what kind of blood trail is left for us to follow.
With all that said, one big advantage of the single bevel heads is their ability to go through bone. On a deer last year, I had a Grizzly enter in a shoulder blade and exit through the lower end of the other one.
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What he said^^^^^^^^!
Bisch
A cut is a cut. Depends on what is cut, not what made it.
What J-dog, MEsquiel, Tim Roberts, Micheal Arnette, and old_goat2 said.
Also I have not needed a blood trail on the last three animals I have shot they fell in site.
I haven't killed enough with them to make a judgement.One antelope ran full tilt and was down in 40 yds,no blood on the ground but cavity full.One was liver shot,took a couple bounds,walked a little,laid down and went to sleep,35 yds total.Only blood in the bed and body cavity.The would channel was 2" wide but entrance and exit were more the size of the broadhead.There was a black bear had one lung and liver hit,went 75 yds,let out a death moan and it had a moderate blood trail on the latter half.
Similar experiences here. 2 moose, bull elk, deer and a javelina all died in sight. Had to track a hog and another javelina a short distance.
We all know the 'secret' to a good blood trail. A hit in the lower 1/4 to 1/3 of the body cavity with an entrance and and exit that cut through vital organs. Single, double or triple blades make little difference if put in the correct spot.
When things go wrong I want a head I can count on and my Kodiaks can be trusted. Last fall I made a marginal hit on a bull elk - hit it in the ulna bone about 3-4 inches from the knuckle. Many heads wouldn't have survived that bone by mine not only survived but took a divot out of the bone and proceeded to continue on into the heart.
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I shoot single bevel Grizzly Kodiaks because they are a darn tough broadhead with a proven track record AND they fly great.
Ridiculously good if they are real sharp
I have had great blood trails and not so great blood trails. I always say that no broadhead will guarantee a good blood trail. But this is the main reason why I shoot single bevel Grizzly Kodiaks.
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I remember a dall sheep I killed with a four blade Muzzy. The sheep barely flinched and I was certain I had missed it. It walked 40-50 yards and fell over dead. Pure white animal and not a speck of external blood on either side until it collapsed. Arrow was dead center through both lungs.
I'm going to use single bevels again this year. First time last year using an Abowyer bone head, the deer dropped where he stood from a lung/heart shot. Can't ask for better than that exception to the rule
I have used them ever since they came out, I got great blood trails, so I mixed in 160 single bevel custom ground Hills. We never lost a deer with either one and on the average we got more blood on the ground quicker. At first I sharpened them exactly as the instructions on the package stated. I bought a bunch of Grizzly files when Elburgs sold out. The Grizzly file has a round narrow side that can be used like a steel and this leaves the single cut file teeth jutting out with very defined teeth. I still file sharpen, then clean that up with a diamond hone and a leather strap. Then going from back to front with file reversed and at about a two way 45 degree angle on the beveled side of the head I pull a serration. Then finish with a couple of light flat strokes on the flat side and some hair and some air on the beveled side with the rounded narrow side of the file. This has shortened our blood trails and puts even more blood on the ground on average. I have no doubts about shaving sharp, but adding this serration seems to do that little bit more.
A friend of mine cannot get a shaving edge even on boughten razor blades, he uses a standard file filing the flat side first of course, this was important to do with the earlier versions. Then he uses a quarter inch wide round file on the beveled side. Another one uses the a method much like Tom Mussato would do with a Hill except keeping the flat side flat, his works good as well. One thing to avoid is if there is just a bur on a smooth head, if a rib is contacted that eliminate its artery cutting abilities.
I am not trying to start an argument, but what difference does it make whether a blood trail is made by a single or a double beveled edge? It seems that a cut is a cut. It was my belief that single bevel was developed primarily for bone penetration. Granted, even though I have some very early grizzlies, I have not killed any thing with them. What am I missing?
That's the point Sam.Some are experiencing more of a cut with single bevels,given the actual width of the head.That's why people ask from time to time about the blood trails.They do other stuff besides split bone.
I'm inclined to believe what a broadhead passes thru, and where it plasses thru are far more important than the type of broadhead used.
Double lunged, with a low exit, normally leaves a mighty fine bloodtrail.
QuoteOriginally posted by BWD:
I'm inclined to believe what a broadhead passes thru, and where it plasses thru are far more important than the type of broadhead used.
Double lunged, with a low exit, normally leaves a mighty fine bloodtrail.
That's been my admittedly small experience. An ace that made a perfect pass through high in the lungs left not a drop of blood but a Magnus with a lower hit left a path of blood.
I guess I'll chime in. I've shot three deer with single bevels. Two fell in sight and one just out of sight, but none had what I'd call great blood trails. But they did have excellent penetration (including one arrow that buried almost to the feathers after center punching the shoulder blade). I've had good luck with them, and will keep using them. I just use a stone and strop, and they are shaving sharp.
Pavan, I sent you a PM. I'd like to hear more about how you sharpen your broadheads.