I've been making an effort to learn traditional archery for a long time now. I had a long bow then I bought a Samick sage at 45lbs thinking this would be a little better to learn on. I've read everything I can and the age old wisdom that everyone gives is to find someone to "mentor" you that knows what they are doing. The problem is that I don't know anyone who shoots trad and haven't been able to find much help in the last 5 years. I've asked everyone I've came across and they usually say "just get some arrows and start shooting". I shoot every day and can't seem to get much better or get arrows to fly staight. I try all the form and tuning methods I read but can't
put it all together. Does anyone have any suggestions on what I should try next? Thanks!
To bad you are so far away . I would be glad to work with you .
Seems like you could find someone near you that could get you going .
G Fred Asbell has some good books with good pictures that could really be helpful for you .
video yourself and post it on here, there are many excellent shooters and form "coaches" that will be happy to help, more info regarding your draw length, arrow, point weight...a lot of factors go into a well tuned traditional bow...
welcome to the wonderful adventure of traditional archery!!
Just having the right arrows will make a huge difference in your shooting and confidence. They need to match your setup
I had a lot of frustration when I first started traditional archery. But then I found the right arrows and it made all the difference
best place to start is with information, go on youtube and google moebow start watching and trying to soak it in, work on a few things at a time. getting your form down will allow you more consistency and accuracy which means more fun.
What part of West Virginia are you from, there is a club around wheeling where you could get some help.
Not sure how far away you are but you could come to the Eastern Ohio Traditional Rendezvous Cambridge,Ohio next weekend. There will be plenty of shooters willing to show you the ropes.
I'm farther south in wv, closer to Charleston. I'll order the book and start watching YouTube tonight! I'm kinda desperate at this point. Thanks for the response guys!
If arrows don't fly straight then all the form in the world won't help you. Me thinks this could be the source of the issue. Start posting your spine type or arrow and what grain point you are using. Also read an article on bow set up nock point and brace. A properly set up bow and arrows is what every person needs start exploring and asking questions. Not far along the journey myself but my set up is tuned and I'm getting better
If you get a Mentor make sure he is actually a good shooter, no reason to learn a bunch of bad habits. Byron Ferguson has a book and video that is good intro to traditional and goes over all the basics. A really good bow set up and arrow tuning video is on youtube by diamondback archery. (Sponsor here). Its the video that starts out setting up a recurve them moved to shooting arrows at straw bails to group tune arrows.
My tips dor you:
Learn good/proper form, attend Rod Jenkins clinic, get a decent bow that is not too heavy or too short, learn to group tune your arrows since bare sheft tuning can be tricky and frustrating, get good arrow FOC. 200-250 grains min. between insert and head, learn what blank bale shooting is to practice form, dont practice every night if not quality practice, shoot three under and use a fixed crawl if wanted, attend at least one shoot/Rendezvous a year to meet bowyer, Trad guys and shoot ofcourse. Several shoots in Virginia, Maryland, Ohio,Tennessee, Kentucky and Indiana that are driving distance from you. If you want to talk them PM me. Good Luck!!
I would recommend attending a shooting clinic like those by Rod Jenkins or Fred Asbell. Master of the Barebow videos are great, too.
I've read some of that and I know it's different but I'm very experienced with setting up compounds. I have the brace height at about 8" and knock exactly 1/2" high. I've been using gold tip traditional arrows. The ones I've got to fly the best are 400 spline cut to 29.5" with 200 grain insert and 150 grain point. But I did just buy some 500 spline shafts that I can cut to any length and do whatever with the insert/point. I'm only drawing about 27" to 27.5" draw. I think maybe I'm short drawing. I'm 6'1" and I draw 29" on a compound with a wrist release.
304Aaron, where are you in WV? I am in Charleston. There are a lot of trad guys scattered around WV. You may want to go over on bowsite.com and get on the West Virginia state forum. Not trad only, but a lot of trad guys in WV get on. I'm sure there is someone not too far from you.
Dont feel like you are alone. My start into trad was my Dad handing me the bow and a handful of wood arrows, told me how to anchor, and a 1 minute run down on gap shooting. Many many years later, I do ok shooting instinctive, and tuning, which was all learned on my own with books and later in life some videos. I can be done, if you really want it, its just easier with a mentor.
Private message me your address. I'll send you "Masters of the Barebow" volumes 1-3. That will be a good start. There is tuning info on them too.
Jake
When I first started shooting trad, I had no mentor either.
I was doing it all alone, and I soon became frustrated and nearly gave it up.
But then my frustration turned into an obsession, and now it's second nature! I love it, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Stick with it, give it some time, and read/watch everything you can get your hands on!
Oh yeah... and shoot/fiddle with it a bunch! You'll be glad you did!
I've told a few on PM's, but I want to thank all of you for some of the directions you have pointed me and the words of confidence you have given me. I've been in the Bowhunting world (compounds) for a long time and I was a little hesitant to post this question, but the kindness and lack of sarcasm from you guys have blown me away. I've been near giving up and just sticking to the compound before, but you guys have given me new hope! Thanks so much!
304,
Here a shoot coming up, not sure how far from you, but may check it out.
http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=150745
Check out Jeff Kavanagh on YouTube. He addresses all aspects of trad archery in his ongoing video series.
Aaron,
Here a very good film on the basics and one mans opinion on shooting. Check it out and see if it will help.
http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=149648#000000
I highly recommend Rick welch materials
I also second Jeff Kavanagh and Moebow. I use both with my archery club at school. Here are some links to their channels on yotube.
Jeff Kavanagh
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgGoY0qpH8f11COXWkE8aLQ
Arne Moe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7N3gJePX4I
Wolfie
https://www.youtube.com/user/Wolfiesairbrush
Keep at it!
May be you could give us an outline of your equipment. I know you said you shoot a 45lb. Samick Sage. What's your draw length. And what arrow combo are you using? Form and,style goes,out the window if your equipment isn't right.
Aaron lives only about 30-40 minutes at the most from me and we have connected. We'll be getting together soon and figure out some stuff. :thumbsup: I'm glad he didn't hesitate to post his situation. Guys, thanks for the great responses. As usual, TradGangers prove to be a great bunch of people.
Hey this is family. We look out for our own.
Don't give up Aaron! I think your 400's may be too stiff for your set up. That is real close to what I shoot out of a 50# recurve. I would put another 50 grains up front and check your flight. You can get some 225, 250, and 300 field points in a kit from 3 Rivers. Good luck
By the way, Aaron, you mentioned that you think you may be short drawing since you draw 27 1/2 on your trad bow but 29" on the compound. It is normal to loose a bit of draw length when going from compound to recurve or longbow. An inch or more is not unusual at all. Look forward to getting together soon.
Thanks again to all of you! I have some heavier points, I'll try that and see how it works. Thanks!
Aaron, a +3 on Jeff Kavanagh (You Tube) and as a (recently returned to ) trad shooter, I know what you are going through. I'm only a PM away and will be happy to help and advise any way I can.
I'm serious...any questions, please don't hesitate.
I think with the offers for help above, you will see some serious improvement. The other thing to keep in mind is that accuracy in trad archery is going to take time to develop. If you are used to seeing all your arrows go into the same hole with compound and sights, it will be discouraging at first to see your groups huge in comparison. Don't beat yourself up too badly :)
I've been in your shoes. Its rough, fortunately for me, I was able to get hooked up with a great bunch pretty early.
I agree with Elk hunter. Your arrows are too stiff. That is a huge part of your frustrations. I would try putting at least 100 grains more up front or move to a 500 spined (not spline) shaft.
As far as arrows go, I bet an email or private message into Big Jim (sponsor here) and he would be able to get you arrows close to what you need. He has blems in stock which will save on the wallet.
Out of my 45 lb bows, I shoot 500 spined shafts. they are cut to 29 3/4 with 225 grains up front. If you cut your arrows shorter, it stiffens them and you will need more weight up front to bring the spine back down.
There is a big difference between compounds and Trad because compounds are usually center shot and allow for more flexibility in spines plus you shoot with a mechanical release which also allows for more flexibility.
Get proper arrow flight then work on Form. With stiff arrows, your arrow bounce off the shelf and fly all over.
Good luck, dont give up and ask questions, thats partly why we are here.
The 400's are too stiff for your setup. The 500's will be much better.
QuoteOriginally posted by Fletcher:
I would recommend attending a shooting clinic like those by Rod Jenkins or Fred Asbell. Master of the Barebow videos are great, too.
DITTO
I bought the Master of the barebow series and Rod Jenkins is on them very helpful.
I have some 500 spine that Aaron can try before he buys. We plan to get together soon. Also have wood, aluminum, in various spines.