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Title: 3000 year old bows from Moses era
Post by: KSdan on August 04, 2016, 09:53:00 AM
Thought you guys may like this.  Just got back from Egypt/Ethiopia trip.  Stopped in Cairo Museum- unbelievable!  3000-4000 year old stuff from the era of Ramses/Pharaoh during Moses' time.  This is a photo of bows!  Hard to believe all the stuff preserved including taxidermy dogs, goats, etc.

 (http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/danrudman/IMG_0978_zpsed0bi4ix.jpg) (http://s106.photobucket.com/user/danrudman/media/IMG_0978_zpsed0bi4ix.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 3000 year old bows from Moses era
Post by: KSdan on August 04, 2016, 09:54:00 AM
 (http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/danrudman/Egypt%20bows_zpsenrddbkx.jpg) (http://s106.photobucket.com/user/danrudman/media/Egypt%20bows_zpsenrddbkx.jpg.html)
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Post by: 23feetupandhappy on August 04, 2016, 09:59:00 AM
Wow that is so cool!!!!!!

Thanks for sharing!
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Post by: on August 04, 2016, 10:05:00 AM
I see a couple of split limb bows in there..............and those compound guys were trying to lead us to believe they came up with that idea!!!    :laughing:    :laughing:    :laughing:  

Cool lookin' sticks!

Bisch
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Post by: Tim Finley on August 04, 2016, 10:05:00 AM
Actually some pretty nice looking bows and very decorative . What were they made from and what were the strings and arrows made from ? Thanks for sharing...
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Post by: Pine on August 04, 2016, 10:36:00 AM
Wow ! Thanks for sharing .    :goldtooth:
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Post by: KSdan on August 04, 2016, 10:59:00 AM
Did not have time to really inquire about details-it was a quick stop on a more serious trip. Though it was amazing what was preserved from 3000+ years ago. You will all laugh though. . . they even had a Pharaoh's contraceptive device!  Crazy!!

Dan in KS
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Post by: 8upbowhunter on August 04, 2016, 11:26:00 AM
Man that is so cool, thanks for sharing.
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Post by: Steve Jr on August 04, 2016, 11:37:00 AM
That is so cool!
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Post by: Duker on August 04, 2016, 11:44:00 AM
C   :cool:   :   :cool:   L!!!
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Post by: McDave on August 04, 2016, 11:45:00 AM
They all seem to have string follow. Must have been well used in their day.
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Post by: Pat B on August 04, 2016, 12:54:00 PM
That's not string follow, it's reflex. Some of the Egyptian "angular" bows were composite with horn bellies and sinew backs and were wrapped with birch bark and other materials.
Cool stuff, KSdan. I love to look at ancient archery equipment.
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Post by: mlsthmpsn on August 04, 2016, 12:59:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by McDave:
They all seem to have string follow. Must have been well used in their day.
My hunch is that these were found in tombs or underground, and when they were placed there, they were strung up....a couple decades of centuries of being strung up will cause a bit of string follow.    :)


Pretty cool to see. Thanks for sharing Dan.
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Post by: mlsthmpsn on August 04, 2016, 01:06:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Pat B:
That's not string follow, it's reflex. Some of the Egyptian "angular" bows were composite with horn bellies and sinew backs and were wrapped with birch bark and other materials.
Here's a brief video I found about Egyptian composite bows....   PBS Nova (https://youtu.be/Xia09Ix-NJs)  

Unstrung it looks like the pictures above.
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Post by: mlsthmpsn on August 04, 2016, 01:13:00 PM
These look familiar. (https://youtu.be/kXj-Gb8ptUQ?t=4m32s)
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Post by: Pat B on August 04, 2016, 02:02:00 PM
In the second video he is shooting Mediterranean style with split fingers and the arrow on the left side of the bow. Originally they used a thumb ring and shot off the right side of the bow giving a cleaner release and better, faster arrow flight.
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Post by: mlsthmpsn on August 04, 2016, 02:11:00 PM
This post has me thinking about books on archery history....anyone have any favorites or must-reads?

I'm currently gearing up for deer season with "On the Hunt: The History of Deer Hunting in Wisconsin" by Robert Willging.
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Post by: CRM_95 on August 04, 2016, 02:48:00 PM
Awesome. If those bows could talk...
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Post by: gifford, MO on August 04, 2016, 03:10:00 PM
Thanks for sharing the pictures from the Museum.

And thanks for the Nova Clip on making Egyptian composite bows.
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Post by: Shadowhnter on August 04, 2016, 05:18:00 PM
Too awesome! They certainly dont look as primitive as one might expect. Seems they had it down pat.
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Post by: pastorjosh44 on August 04, 2016, 05:41:00 PM
That's amazing.  They looked pretty elaborately decorated.
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Post by: old_goat2 on August 04, 2016, 05:49:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by KSdan:
Did not have time to really inquire about details-it was a quick stop on a more serious trip. Though it was amazing what was preserved from 3000+ years ago. You will all laugh though. . . they even had a Pharaoh's contraceptive device!  Crazy!!

Dan in KS
Yeah, the golden condom is the only thing I remember clearly from my port visit and trip to the museum almost 30yrs ago! As a young sailor, that of all things made a big impression on me   :bigsmyl:
I remember more about the three pyramids and sphinx, but nothing much clearly about the museum, I do remember being amazed by it though!
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Post by: Tom Phillips on August 04, 2016, 09:14:00 PM
Very Cool video !!
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Post by: Sam McMichael on August 04, 2016, 09:45:00 PM
Did those old guys tell the same kinds of hunting yarns we tell today? I bet they probably did. I bet they also bragged about how great their new bows looked. Those are great pics.
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Post by: CoachBGriff on August 04, 2016, 11:26:00 PM
That's too cool!  

It's amazing to see just what they were able to come up with!
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Post by: U.a.horribilis on August 04, 2016, 11:45:00 PM
Wow!! Thanks for sharing.
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Post by: Stumpkiller on August 04, 2016, 11:55:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Pat B:
That's not string follow, it's reflex. Some of the Egyptian "angular" bows were composite with horn bellies and sinew backs and were wrapped with birch bark and other materials.
Cool stuff, KSdan. I love to look at ancient archery equipment.
What he said.  Strung they apeared to have straight limbs.  A reflex/deflex composite bow.  

Savvy folks them Egyptians.

 (http://www.experience-ancient-egypt.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Ancient-Egyptian-Weapons-Archery.jpg)
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Post by: Possum Head on August 05, 2016, 06:50:00 AM
Wonder if they had spine calculators?
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Post by: monterey on August 05, 2016, 09:44:00 AM
Interesting stuff for sure.  I wonder when and how they tillered them?  It would seem that it would have to be tillered before it was sinewed.

300 fps?    :eek:     Think I'd have to see it actually chronoed to believe that.
Title: Re: 3000 year old bows from Moses era
Post by: Pat B on August 05, 2016, 09:50:00 AM
Just like with modern glass bows the engineering was done before hand.
James Parker(huntworthyproductions)has made many types of composite bows including these Egyptian angular bows. He had one at the Tenn. Classic this spring that I shot. They are amazing bows...like most of the composite horn bows.
There is a record of a Turkish(I think) prince that shot his composite bow over 900 yards...and this was a few thousand years ago.
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Post by: 2treks on August 05, 2016, 09:58:00 AM
Not String follow.  they are most likely a Horn Composite bow, and they are in fabulous shape.
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Post by: 2treks on August 05, 2016, 10:03:00 AM
My Friend made an Egyptian Angular bow years ago, and it was fantastic.
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Post by: GreyGoose on August 05, 2016, 10:09:00 AM
A cool illustration of just how far back "Trad" goes!  Thanks for posting.
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Post by: Pat B on August 05, 2016, 10:21:00 AM
Trad archery goes back 15,000 year and came about on every continent simultaneously except for Antarctica and Australia. Most of what is in archery today was thought up thousands of years ago. Only some of the materials are different.
Title: Re: 3000 year old bows from Moses era
Post by: RAU on August 05, 2016, 09:31:00 PM
Very cool!
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Post by: Lady Frost on August 05, 2016, 10:04:00 PM
I love history and I love archery. That is the coolest thing ever!!!! Love it!!  Thanks Dan.
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Post by: twitchstick on August 06, 2016, 10:02:00 AM
Thanks for sharing
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Post by: maineac on August 06, 2016, 10:50:00 AM
Very cool!
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Post by: mark Willoughby on August 06, 2016, 12:11:00 PM
Remarkable
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Post by: Bill Turner on August 06, 2016, 12:58:00 PM
Now that is something you will not see every day. Great post. Great trip.   :thumbsup:
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Post by: dringge on August 07, 2016, 09:21:00 AM
Thanks for sharing. I am fortunate to have been in that museum a few years ago. I really enjoyed my short time in Cairo.
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Post by: Petrichor on August 07, 2016, 09:52:00 PM
Incredible
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Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on August 08, 2016, 03:37:00 AM
Thank you! Super interesting!
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Post by: Trond on August 08, 2016, 05:02:00 AM
That's awesome! Archery goes far back in time. One of the oldest bows ever found was a flat bow discovered in Denmark some years back. It was dated back around 8000 years.