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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Buckeye1977 on July 28, 2016, 10:10:00 PM
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Was having some trouble tuning my bw longbow and decided to try a double nock set and it seemed to really straighten the arrow out. Wondering who else uses one and why?
Thanks, Nick
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I've been using two nock sets for years. There was some slow motion video around a while ago that showed the arrow slipping down the string on release.
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I have also started to use a double nock set on my bows. It may help my shooting if there is any help for me but I like the idea the arrow is staying put.
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Every bow I have has 2 nock points, one above and one below the arrow. If you have ever seen the slow motion video of how an arrow can slide down the string on release without them, you would see why!
Bisch
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The bottom one is made longer, about a 1/4", it keeps me from crowding the nock when I draw.
Thanks,
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Have been using double nock sets since the 70's.
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definitely double nock, I prefer to tie them on, easier on my glove...
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Two for me also .
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Never seen the videos on YouTube but will watch today. Seemed to help my arrow flight a bunch with bare shaft so I'll be leaving them on. Right now I just have 2 brass nock cause I have never tied one on but have seen some videos on it. Any reasons other than tearing up glove to go to tie on nock?
Thanks, Nick
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I've seen the video years ago and have been using 2 nock sets ever since. Can't hurt.
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This is something I had never considered. I may give it a try. I shoot 3 under and have for a long time.
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Only way to go!
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If your nock fits the string snug, it really doesn't help much to have an additional nock set below the arrow. If it's loose that's a whole different story and snap nocks can be loose.
Here's a couple videos that shows what can happen.
https://plus.google.com/photos/+MichaelTravis12c27/albums/5440061363494899889?banner=pwa
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I would think that the 1/4 of an inch that the arrow drops down would make a big difference especially when it comes to broadhead tuning. I never shot a double nock on my recurves but the longbow I just got which is my first seems to really need it.
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I would think that the 1/4 of an inch that the arrow drops down would make a big difference especially when it comes to broadhead tuning. I never shot a double nock on my recurves but the longbow I just got which is my first seems to really need it.
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I have used them in the past, and still have a couple bows with doubles, but I wont take them hog hunting as I may need to string a second arrow real fast.....as I have in the past many times.
By using them on some and not others, I really can't find a difference and I shoot from all sorts of positions.
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Why a string nock set instead of the brass one?
An old timer told me years ago that the brass nock was louder. I guess it's possible that the plastic arrow nock rubbing the brass upon release would make more noise, but do not know if it's ever been tested.
I know a string nock set saves wear on the glove, and if it's quieter then it's better.
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I only use the double to keep the arrow in place on the string while I am in a natural blind or a treestand, I have had an arrow slide down the string in the past at very bad time...cost me a shot opportunity on a buck, I also changed to a nock that fit more snug on the string. I can see how it would be slight disadvantage when a quick follow-up shot is needed...something to consider next time I am chasing pigs!
As far as noise comparison from tied on to brass I do not know...
Mike
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Bunch of us do.
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Never heard the noise argument and I've been at this awhile. I prefer tied-ons above and below. In my opinion, brass would be more apt to damage the serving underneath from over crimping if you move it around a lot. It will be more apt to wear a glove/tab if it's underneath whatever you use. If you know what you're doing and use the right diameter material you can tie on a nock set that is adjustable up and down the string and will stay where you leave it...lots of ways, google it.
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Never had a noise issue with brass nocks...or string wear....there is a rubber seal on the brass nock that goes between the brass and the string...
I've used both...and like both...just make sure you get the brass nock that's the correct size for your string...and I take a file to the edges if need be to smooth out the corners.
I use unwaxed dental floss for my tie on ones. And I glue them down,...and you best keep an eye on them cause they can work loose and move. Super glue is always handy.
Charlie Lamb has a tutorial on tie on nocks that you can screw up and down the string...then glue into place....it in the How To forum.
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Never used 2! Never will!
Yep, if you use brass, be aware there are different sizes!
When I was building strings, I saw some "stuff"!
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My longbow with double brass nock is very quiet so don't see any issue with noise. But I do see a little wear on my tab face so filing might take care of that issue. Also I have a new skinny string on it which I've never used before so maybe serving is a little undersized for my nock but they seem to snap on pretty tight.
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Went to two nock points, tie on, when I switched to 3 under, and now playing with a fixed crawl I feel it is more important.
Link to the knot I use, exception being I use a small 1" piece of stirring straw instead of pencil and tie what is also called a nail knot in fly flishing, very neat, easy and secure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YlYqDiJN8U
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I use two. Made my tuning nightmare turn into a dream. I use a served nock on bottom and usually a brass on top but not always.
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Katman, that is the same video I used when learning to tie on a string nock. I also use the little black coffee stirring straws and cut them into a 4 inch piece. You don't waste so much string that way. I started using the diamondback .30 as well and really like it. The only thing I do different is I put a a small doubled over piece of tin foil and wrap it around my string and snug it up to the nock before I light the ends with a lighter because once I accidentally heated up my serving too much. This way you never heat up your serving accidentally and it keeps the tie on nock ends from attaching to your serving.
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Diamondback .30 is very good and is what I use. I cut the straw to about 1 inch and after rapping around slide the end thru the straw then pull out straw, that way don't mess up the coil before the string end has been slid thru. I guess the foil would help but it does conduct heat well so still need to be careful.
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All of my bows have them, I wont use the brass nocks too much weight added to the string. I use unwaxed dental floss and a dab of glue to secure.
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That's the first time I've seen that video showing the arrow sliding down the string.
Is it peculiar to shooting three under or does it happen with split finger also?
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I've had two and didn't notice any difference. It really is going to come down to what you prefer and your shooting style. If I shot 3 under I'm pretty sure I'd use two.
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I shoot split and use two. I like a very light snap with my nock.
Sometimes I use brass, sometimes tied-on, sometimes one of each. A quality set of nocking pliers makes a world of difference with a brass nock. I've never had any wear on a glove using them. No noise difference.
I like BCY's nock tying thread--stays in place. Once I tie one on, I don't want it to move. If I wanted adjustable, I'd use .030 Halo or .032 Power Grip. Simple overhand knots work just fine for me.
FWIW, the most accurate shooters I know use two.
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Been using two tied-on for years, and no it doesn't make any difference if you shoot split or three-under, the arrow can still slide down the string.
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I only use one below...but I speed shoot with a back quiver so that system requires it.
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I use two nocks, as well.
Be careful when considering your nock fit to the string. Many new style snap on nocks, like those from GoldTip, have a snug early fit, but a wide throat. So, while it might seem that your nock fits tight because it snaps on, it's still free to slide up and down the string in the throat of the nock.
I just tuned a Palmer recurve that was showing nock high with bare shafts no matter how I positioned the nock--turns out the arrow was sliding down the string and bouncing off the shelf. A double nock set fixed the problem immediately.
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Originally posted by two4hooking:
I only use one below...but I speed shoot with a back quiver so that system requires it.
You obviously shoot split, otherwise you'd have issues with the arrow sliding up the string.
Bill
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I get my strings from Allen Schafer and he will tie 1 or 2 nocks on at no charge. I started using two with his strings and really like it.
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Originally posted by Burnsie:
I get my strings from Allen Schafer and he will tie 1 or 2 nocks on at no charge. I started using two with his strings and really like it.
What Burnsie says. Also if you have a shorter bow it would help, cause of the string angle.
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I do . Tie on 2 knots that I can screw up and down the string.
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Never proven, but I had a discussion with an accomplished shooter many years ago about this topic. He said his testing indicated (didn't prove) that part of the reason for nock height above level was to compensate for some degree of nock-slip downward at release. He tested his theory by using 2 nock set points and shot with the arrow perfectly level to the bow shelf. Arrow flight was good. I don't have an opinion on it, but seems like an interesting point.
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I have bows set up with one and two....not a heckuva lot of difference to me.
I always tie on my nocks.