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Title: Really skinny arrows
Post by: Gooserbat on July 12, 2016, 09:53:00 AM
Anyone shooting them.  I mean stuff like Victory Vaps, Easton Injections, Blackeagle Deep Impacts and so on. If so what's the feedback.
Title: Re: Really skinny arrows
Post by: ThePushArchery on July 12, 2016, 11:41:00 AM
Yup, Drew @ Selway got me to try some Black Eagle X-Impacts.

2 shafts are on their way to me now from Lancaster. one 400, one 500.

I'll let you know how it goes.
Title: Re: Really skinny arrows
Post by: elkken on July 12, 2016, 12:11:00 PM
My hunting partner shot Beman skinny shafts for years and killed a bunch of critters with them, from North America to Africa, they are the ones that take outserts instead of inserts. Not sure they make them any more. He gave me 2 dozen that I still have in plastic wrap.

He swore by them and with the outserts they were almost bomb proof.
Title: Re: Really skinny arrows
Post by: beachbowhunter on July 12, 2016, 12:24:00 PM
I shoot the MFX type regular skinny shafts and like them a lot. I've shot the Victory VAP super skinny shafts and they fly great and are really cool. The only weird thing was they are really hard to see in flight after the shot.
Title: Re: Really skinny arrows
Post by: McDave on July 12, 2016, 12:54:00 PM
I shoot Victory VAP's occasionally.  They shoot great, but don't know if they're worth the extra price.  Probably will replace them with something else when I run out of them.  The problem is, when I get down to about 5 left, I'm not sure what I'll do with the ones that are left, since I don't feel like mixing them with bigger diameter shafts.  When I started using the VAP's, I built out my side plate a little so the VAP shafts would ride in about the same place as other shafts.  I would take out the extra piece of leather I put in the side plate if I switched back to regular shafts.
Title: Re: Really skinny arrows
Post by: olddogrib on July 12, 2016, 02:15:00 PM
Dave,
Just out of curiosity, what poundage are you shooting the VAP's out of and what spine?
Title: Re: Really skinny arrows
Post by: Jake Scott on July 12, 2016, 03:23:00 PM
I just switched over to black eagle X-impacts and I'm really, really liking them.  Haven't shot an animal yet, that will be the real test.  I didn't think I would ever switch from Easton fmj's, but these arrows will be hitting the woods with me this fall.

Currently I'm shooting the .400's cut to 28.75" (I draw 27") with 300 grain heads plus the 44 grain outsert.  This gives me 30% foc and a finished arrow ~560 grains.  I'll give a detailed report of their performance on game this fall.  

Jake
Title: Re: Really skinny arrows
Post by: Jake Scott on July 12, 2016, 03:28:00 PM
I have done a good bit of stumping and will add to what Ken said.  The outsert acts just like a footing and makes the arrows super tough.

Jake
Title: Re: Really skinny arrows
Post by: McDave on July 12, 2016, 03:30:00 PM
I'm shooting VAP 600's out of a 40 # bow, cut to 29", with 100 grain points, for 3D.  This gives me an arrow weight of about 310 grains, or 7.75 gpp.
Title: Re: Really skinny arrows
Post by: damascusdave on July 12, 2016, 03:48:00 PM
Shooting and liking the Injexions led my buddy and I to become the Canadian distributors for the Widomaker Smash arrows from Australia...that is how much we like the smallest diameter carbons

DDave
Title: Re: Really skinny arrows
Post by: Jarrod Reno on July 12, 2016, 05:55:00 PM
Been shooting VAPs for a few years... Right now 250 spine, shok inserts, 250gr point. Out of a 60# 31" Caribow Tuktu EX.

They fly awesome and hit hard. Standard diameter arrows feel like telephone poles now  :)
Title: Re: Really skinny arrows
Post by: Jarrod Reno on July 12, 2016, 05:56:00 PM
Also, victory just came out with their VAP TKO line which is higher grains per inch. Solid!!
Title: Re: Really skinny arrows
Post by: katman on July 12, 2016, 06:47:00 PM
Another vote for widowmaker smash, wish they came in .400 spine, lowest is .350 @ 10.4gpi.  One tough shaft, check out utube for video.
Title: Re: Really skinny arrows
Post by: JRY309 on July 12, 2016, 11:02:00 PM
I shoot Easton Injexion 400 and 480 out of a couple of bows.I put an insert/outserts in my 400 so I could use a standard size 8/32" point,more point weight choices.I use the standard Deep Six Hit insert in my 480 with a 125 gr. pointsThey fly great out of my 50# longbows.I preferred Easton Injexion over Victory VAP because the Injexion have a higher GPI.Victory VAP 400 had a 7.1 GPI and the Injexion 400 have a 8.9 GPI.The Victory VAP do have more spine choices then the Easton Injexion have.
Title: Re: Really skinny arrows
Post by: Tajue17 on July 13, 2016, 07:03:00 AM
I used to love the SST 2100's,,,, once those got discontinued I never looked back.  really miss them though spine didn't matter they shot good from my 40lb selfbow to a 67# LB I had at the time.
Title: Re: Really skinny arrows
Post by: trasher on July 13, 2016, 07:27:00 AM
One year ago i've tested the Easton Aftermatch because of their thin diameter the fly realy great,
it was no problem to tune them.
60 grain Brassinsert, 145 arrowhead or broadhead, feather 3.5", F.O.C.=21%, total wight 533Grain for a 48#@31" bow. Works great!
They flew as on a leash pulled .
The only difference to my GT Traditional was a better penetration.
You've got a deeper impact!
But still shooting my stove pipes. I love the bigger ones!     :D
Title: Re: Really skinny arrows
Post by: Bowwild on July 13, 2016, 07:34:00 AM
This will be my 3rd year with Easton Injexion and then Deep Six inserts. I use 4" feathers and special made, stainless, 155 grain field points. I  had these made to match the 155 grain single bevel Helix 2-blad broad heads.

I use them because of improved penetration out of my 43-47# hunting bows.

I used Beman MFX Classics and the Doug Eason Traditionals before. No complaints with those either.

The Deep Six thread is a bit of a nuisance at times due to limited broadhead choices, especially for turkey.  If I didn't have a friend who made me the 155 grain field point I would have had trouble tuning with my 27" arrow choice.
Title: Re: Really skinny arrows
Post by: Stixbowdrew on July 13, 2016, 08:04:00 AM
I made the switch about 6 months ago to the Black Eagle Deep Impacts, they were great! And super tough, but now I am running the X-impact same shaft but is overall lighter in GPI, to up my FOC I'm running a full length(32") 300# with 275 on the front, overall weight is at 550grains, and out of my 60# Centaur dark matter they flat out smoke, my confidence has skyrocketed, and I cannot get over how quiet they are!!! Highly recommended!
Title: Re: Really skinny arrows
Post by: Shane H on July 13, 2016, 09:02:00 AM
I have hunted two seasons with VAP's now. 400 w/200 grn. up front. 30" long outof a 51# bow. love them. Hogs, bears, deer and turkeys dont! Only downside is price
Title: Re: Really skinny arrows
Post by: TexasKing on October 03, 2016, 09:32:00 PM
resurrecting this thread...curious, how do you guys that were shooting the X Impacts still feel about them?

I bought a couple to bare shaft and was blown away. They thread in there like a laser.
Easy to get high FOC and tune them, but
Im skeptical, there has to be a downside?
Are they tough enough?
Title: Re: Really skinny arrows
Post by: babs on October 06, 2016, 09:26:00 PM
I like them alot, I havent got a chance to put one through a whitetail yet but I love the straightness and group really well for me. I need to order a few more, the only negative is the price for me.
Title: Re: Really skinny arrows
Post by: katman on October 07, 2016, 09:50:00 AM
Like TexasKing I am curious about the durability of the X impacts. I know the widowmakers are tough. Considering building a efoc arrow with the X impacts.
Title: Re: Really skinny arrows
Post by: Jake Scott on October 07, 2016, 11:35:00 AM
I've done A LOT of stumping with X impacts.  I do chose my shots carefully to make sure I'm not shooting rocks or stumps that are less than rotten.  I do that with any arrow.  I have found the durability to be at least as good as any other carbon arrow, and better than many, exceeded only by arrow dynamics hammerheads.  

I have broken two, one was hit with another arrow while practicing, and the other happened shooting through paper.  I didn't have my target positioned properly behind the paper, and the arrow missed the target and smashed into an iron post from about 10 feet.  I've yet to shoot any arrow that would stand up to that from a 53 pound bow.  

If durability is your only concern with these shafts, don't let it hold you back.

Jake
Title: Re: Really skinny arrows
Post by: goldflinger on October 07, 2016, 12:04:00 PM
What is the definition of a "skinny arrow". I shoot Easton Axis traditionals and they have a diameter of .2670. are they skinny?
Title: Re: Really skinny arrows
Post by: TexasKing on October 07, 2016, 02:49:00 PM
Goldfinger, the X-impact are .2228 I believe...they are very skinny

Katman, Ive been shooting Widowmakers also with terrific results also.
The X-Impact I loaded a 3"long 80gr screw intro the outsert and achieved 34% FOC!
Title: Re: Really skinny arrows
Post by: katman on October 07, 2016, 03:00:00 PM
Thanks Jake.

Wowser TexasKing that is a whole bunch of foc. Can you give specifics on spine, length, insert and point weight as well as total weight? Bow poundage and draw length will help me with spine selection, thanks.
Title: Re: Really skinny arrows
Post by: tzolk on October 07, 2016, 04:03:00 PM
Shoot Deep Impacts. 400s with their outsert and a 225 grain head. 31" bop arrow. Give me a 22% foc out of my Toelke Super D. They fly perfect and are very durable!
Title: Re: Really skinny arrows
Post by: damascusdave on October 07, 2016, 08:48:00 PM
Easton Axis arrows used to be skinny arrows when they first came out...today they are only small diameter arrows...the whole needing to name the diameter is about marketing them to compound hunters...we trad guys should be smarter about getting drawn into that sort of foolishness...I shoot a wide variety of arrow diameters based on the performance I am looking for and just plain personal preference...a skinny wood arrow is still 5/16 inch diameter

DDave
Title: Re: Really skinny arrows
Post by: TexasKing on October 08, 2016, 08:44:00 AM
Katman,  
Please don't think I'm endorsing the setup because I have only bareshafted it and have just fletched the first one...
I shoot #61-63 recurves, typically pretty high performing (Carbon/foam etc), center cut or just past it shelf
28 draw, 29" bop, 350 spine, 620gr finished with 300 gr head, 45 Gr outsert, and the above mentioned 80 gr machine head 3" screw threaded into the backside of the outsert and glued in also. I believe the shaft is only 7.4  gpi. so why foc shoots up.
I think the balance point is 24"
Brad Isham is filling them with paracord, might give that a try also.
My 350 Widowmakers I add the same screw to and they land at 720 grains and fare they same identical weight and flight as my 340 FMJs .both at 28%-31% FOC...both are pretty hard to beat, again, I was intrigued by how well they bare shaft
Title: Re: Really skinny arrows
Post by: TexasKing on October 08, 2016, 09:04:00 AM
The X-Impact  cut shaft at my 29' is only 215g
Also, I have found that the 3" screw doesn't SEEM to change the spine. The added stiffness from the length seems to offset the added weight.
Title: Re: Really skinny arrows
Post by: katman on October 08, 2016, 12:25:00 PM
Thanks Tex, that gives me a starting point.