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Title: Form better = Longer draw??
Post by: Chain2 on July 05, 2016, 09:09:00 PM
I have been drawing 31" or so I thought. I've been cutting my arrows 32" or 1" in front of my riser. I have been nursing a shoulder (bow) in injury for 18 months or so and a wrist (drawing) injury for a year. Things seem better now than in a long time. I had Sue mark my arrow yesterday and the mark is 1/2" in front of the riser. Same thing tonight. Is this normal as form improves? Thanks guys
Title: Re: Form better = Longer draw??
Post by: Rough Run on July 05, 2016, 09:21:00 PM
It was true for me, as a recent beginner.  I built my first set of arrows myself.  As I read, learned and practiced more, and as my form and shooting improved, my arrows got shorter!  I think learning to draw through my back and having a consistent anchor made a difference.  I now have to make my arrows 3/4" longer for proper, and safe, clearance.
Title: Re: Form better = Longer draw??
Post by: fnshtr on July 05, 2016, 10:27:00 PM
I've changed form more than once and it usually changes my DL.
Title: Re: Form better = Longer draw??
Post by: damascusdave on July 05, 2016, 11:07:00 PM
A friend and I have spent a lot of time talking about and measuring our draw length...one conclusion we have come to is that a "posed" draw length and a "shooting" draw length are two different things...start cutting your arrows a half inch longer for broadheads (you will be fine with field points) and just forget about it

DDave
Title: Re: Form better = Longer draw??
Post by: on July 06, 2016, 12:16:00 AM
Better form can result in a longer DL. It all depends on what part of your form you improve on though.

Bisch
Title: Re: Form better = Longer draw??
Post by: Michael Arnette on July 06, 2016, 03:05:00 AM
I recently shortened my draw length about an inch to 28 1/2-ish and noticed a huge improvement in my accuracy. I think most traditional shooters will see a slight draw length increase with proper form mostly due to the fact that the most common flaw in early learning is short drawing.
Title: Re: Form better = Longer draw??
Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on July 06, 2016, 07:33:00 AM
Any Change in form has the potential to change the draw length.  But It does not always result in better form = Longer Draw length.  in fact sometimes, the opposite is true.
Title: Re: Form better = Longer draw??
Post by: McDave on July 06, 2016, 08:56:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Cyclic-Rivers:
Any Change in form has the potential to change the draw length.  But It does not always result in better form = Longer Draw length.  in fact sometimes, the opposite is true.
+1

Since you have been prone to injuries in the past, look for the alignment that reduces stress on your body, which may or may not be the classic stance.
Title: Re: Form better = Longer draw??
Post by: Yellow Dog on July 06, 2016, 10:00:00 AM
Attend one of Rod Jenkins clinics. Odds are you'll be shopping for longer arrows when you're done.
Title: Re: Form better = Longer draw??
Post by: Don Stokes on July 06, 2016, 10:10:00 AM
A longer draw length comes naturally as your muscles strengthen with practice, which is a good thing as long as your accuracy is there. A longer draw is as good as a stronger bow. Quillian believed that adding one inch to your draw was like adding 10# of draw weight, but that may be stretching it. Above all, accuracy comes first, and a longer draw means you may need a stiffer arrow to compensate.
Title: Re: Form better = Longer draw??
Post by: Pine on July 06, 2016, 10:43:00 AM
Interesting thing , Howard Hill was about 6' 4" tall and he had a 27" draw length .
He actually worked to shorten his draw length so as to be able to shoot stiffer arrows .
I have noticed over the years that some people for some reason think they need to draw a bow clear back to there ear . ???
Those people are usually not very good shots as a result of that extended draw .
The best archers that I have known , all had a stance that had them more facing the target with the ancor point around the corner of there mouth .
So in my opinion , I think proper form would in most cases , shorten the draw length .
But I will add that not seeing you shoot , I have no idea what you're form looks like now .
Title: Re: Form better = Longer draw??
Post by: Chain2 on July 06, 2016, 11:27:00 AM
I used to probably draw shorter but getting a second anchor point took some practice. Now that I'm comfortable with the second anchor point I seem to be drawing farther.
Title: Re: Form better = Longer draw??
Post by: Don Stokes on July 06, 2016, 02:28:00 PM
Hill had short arms, and a longbow like he used has a smaller handle than most modern bows, which also shortens draw. He was also quoted as saying he wasn't good enough to shoot a recurve, which was probably a joke that got legs.

He shot a heavy bow, but POC shafts were probably the only thing available then for arrows, which are hard to get in higher spines. It's logical to think he shot the shortest arrow possible to maximize the dynamic spine.

However, I don't think that 'proper form' will shorten your draw, unless you've been doing it wrong. We are all made differently, and what worked for Hill, or me, or you, may not work for someone else. If you can draw at least to your mouth and get your eye over the shaft while keeping the arrow, your string hand, and your forearm aligned comfortably with your personal geometry, you should be able to achieve accuracy with carefully matched equipment. Draw length is secondary to that.