I am interested in people's opinions on this. My question is.....should I have expected better?
I purchased 2 packs of Grizzlystik Monarch 2 blade 200gr broadheads. They cost $120 for a 3 pack....so about $40 each. Grizzlystik's entire marketing strategy is based around ashby research, superior penetration and the superior quality of their products.
My broadheads all have machining grooves from tip to tail, running at 90degrees to the direction of travel on both sides. Therefore totally working against penetration.
I have no doubt they will the the job in any case.
Maybe you should shoot something with them before you judge them
As I said I am sure they will do the job. The question is at $40 per head would you expect them to have a better finish to maximise penetration?
My opinion is that such a tiny groove will have basically no affect on penetration, so in that regard, I don't think you should expect more. Then again, just because something cost more doesn't mean it will do a better job than a less expensive alternative. Good luck with them. I hope you plan on running them through something big and tough .
Can you post a photo so we can see the grooves?
http://www.alaskabowhunting.com/Monarch-200-Single-Bevel-Broadheads-3-Pack-P375C71.aspx
QuoteOriginally posted by pdk25:
http://www.alaskabowhunting.com/Monarch-200-Single-Bevel-Broadheads-3-Pack-P375C71.aspx
Can't see any grooves in the link photo....
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As I said I am sure they will do the job. The question is at $40 per head would you expect them to have a better finish to maximise penetration?
For that price I would expect them to be polished and flawless.
Here is a pic. Note the grooves extend to the cutting blade also, so if you pass it through the single bevel touch up sharpener it makes a mess of the edge. I have ended up resharpening them all with a spyderco sharpener so that the cutting edge is not cerated.
(http://i.imgur.com/DSmMH3f.jpg)
That does not look like a long 3to1 blade profile advocated by Ashby
If you are not happy with the product for the price you paid then return it. At that premium price I would expect a more finished product.
This is for Hyedenj7, please don't mistake this for being judgmental, but what is the theory behind $40 a pc broadhead when $5 a pc broadheads will kill as quickly and every bit as dead. And then modifying them,I'm baffled.I have used many, many different broadheads and have gone with what works best for the set up that was being shot.I appreciate you want the best equip to do the best job possible, I applaud that. But how much of this is advertisement hype. Are the archery companies playing us for fools??
Those machine marks certainly look to me like they are part of the design, very uniform...did you contact the company to ask about that?
DDave
On what do you base your contention that the machined grooves would work against penetration...seems to me that they reduce the effective surface friction area and might very well aid penetration...from the pictures they look like a top quality product to me, just a bit different that we might be used to
DDave
i also use other broadheads that are significantly cheaper....and they work great. I just thought I would give these a try and was surprised at the grooves.
Will the grooves reduce friction? Good point....maybe they do?
With regards to modding them. I shot a couple quite a bit to see how they flew. Then thought I best touch them up prior to a hunt, when touching up I used the small tool they sell for touch ups to single bevels from grizstik and found that it didn't agree with the cerated edge. Hence my resharpening. Just to explain.
This should not happen for $40/ea !!
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h101/tradtusker/305239_10150374197094389_642889388_8429639_1696978763_n_zps9fb00d8c.jpg
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Wow...that is an expensive broadhead.
I think those ribs are probably there on purpose, possibly strengthening the ferrule. I hear your point though, about friction. I agree with you.
It's puzzling to me though.....I have a friend who is a big advocate of those heads. He was showing me how my Ace heads wouldn't work because of a few seams in them.... :knothead:
I couldn't see them before. It is hard to understand why the cutting edge isn't polished, but as far as the ferrule, I really can't see that having any meaningful effect on penetration. Really think the blade should have a polished surface like the stuff heads.
The grooves on the ferrule are leftover from the machining process, unpolished. The edge is a rough grind. Sure wouldn't pay $40 for that.
I would have expected those heads to at least be "ready to hunt". Laser marks on the cutting edge shows me lack of attention to detail. At $40 a pop I would not mind a piece of that action.
You could have bought a 6 pack of Zwickeys for $40..... Just Sayin' :readit:
WESTBROOK, What did those hit? If steel, then I'm ok with it, if bone, there is a serious problem. I bought a bunch of over tempered heads from them one time for dirt cheap that work great in critters but are brittle when hitting small rocks in the dirt.
Sometimes ya get what ya pay for ....... not so much this time !
Personally, I would be a WHOLE lot more concerned with the vents in the blades, and lack of 3:1 working advantage that would inhibit penetration for certain according to Ashbys findings, WAY before id be concerned about machining marks.
As for them heads for the money....it would be a cold day in hades before id spend that amount on a broadhead, when so many great broadheads that conform to Ashbys descriptions are out there for SOOOO much less. These heads do not even fit his description......just sayin. I would send em back in a heart beat and get something like Abowyer's Brown bear, Grizzlys, or Tuff heads. JMO.
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WESTBROOK, What did those hit? If steel, then I'm ok with it, if bone, there is a serious problem. I bought a bunch of over tempered heads from them one time for dirt cheap that work great in critters but are brittle when hitting small rocks in the dirt.
Those were failures in Buffalo, pic is from Andy Ivy while was guiding in Australia. The only heads that haven't failed are VPA, Widowmaker & Tuffhead.
Lots big info about the Ashby heads and brown bears failing from a bad temper. I would assume the monarchsbhad that link worked out, but those vents are not ideal but I think the OP knee that going in, in addition to the fact it is not a 3:1 ratio head.
I would never spend $40 for any broadhead, but, if I did, I would want the blade to be highly polished.
I would of expected a broadhead at that price to be razor sharp out of the box ready to shave hair and draw blood. That is a lot of money to not get that.For less than one broadhead I could get 3 Scary Sharp Tuskers from Braveheart Archery.
http://braveheartarchery.us/tusker_broadheads.htm
The little ridges on the ferrule aren't an issue, but at that price, I would expect them to be hunt ready, i.e., shaving sharp. Can't really tell from these pix whether they are or not.
I'm not averse to spending money for quality gear, but $40 for a broad head is exorbitant. I've spent $20 per head. Really not any better than heads I can buy for a quarter the price.
Build a better mousetrap...and everyone will want one whether it works or not.
I watched a You Tube video of some guy doing his utmost to destroy a Zwickey Eskimo, including point-blank at a 55gal. steel drum (in and out both sides) and 1/4" steel plate. He did succeed in turning the tip once or twice, but direct hits on a dried whitetail skull punched right through.
I think we tend to overthink the process sometimes.
Sometimes, the old mousetrap works very well.
They got through QC and you should sen them back!!!
$40 a head!!! No way no how. I'll stay with the old mouse trap. :biglaugh: