Trad Gang
Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: adkmountainken on June 05, 2016, 05:49:00 AM
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I have never used a tab, always used a Alaska Super glove which are not made any more. will try a Big Shot glove but defiantly thinking about trying a tab. for those of you who have switched was it hard to get use to a tab?
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I bounce back and forth between my bigshot and my widow tab constantly . If my main focus is to build habit in form and release, I tend to grab my tab. I can feel for torque better since thats a battle I fight. If im just concentrated on shooting for enjoyment, and long sessions , I tend to grab my glove. For me, it makes little difference from one to the other, since im use to both. The transition from the beginning was quite natural for me, but like so many things in archery, each person has to figure out what works best for themselves.
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thanks for the info which gets me thinking about another question, I could never wear a light glove when using a shooting glove when its cold and i'm hunting, can you wear a light ( liner glove ) with a tab over it?
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I used a glove (Damascus) for a couple of years but switched to a tab (Cavalier Elite).
Beyond about a day of shooting (few dozen shots) it was not difficult to get used to it. I had used a tab back in 1975-1985.
I could wear a thin glove under the tab but I don't. I trust the feel of a naked hand under the tab. I'm sure if I devoted a few days to shooting with the thin glove I'd be fine but not having a glove doesn't bother me. I don't wear one on my bow hand either. My bow is on a hook and hands are in pockets or hand muff when it is cold.
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Ken, it wasn't an easy transition for me. I tied some of the best tabs available and hated 'em. It may have been just me, but the only thing I can attribute it to was "feeling" the string and how it slid off the fingers. I used a Kustom King classic glove with soft(non-cordovan)stalls. I could not shoot cordovan faced tabs for a long time(I do now). It was just too slick and the string came off as a "surprise", which sounds like it would be a good thing. I finally tried the Black Widow 3U tab. They're inexpensive and I think it has a synthetic face. If it's leather it's soft and not slick. That's the only tab I've ever been able to interchange with a glove, but your mileage may vary. I've moved on to "moose-snot-slick" tabs now. They feel "natural", but sure didn't at first. Most have elastic loops and I don't see why you could wear something like a golf glove under it, but I'd practice with it. I've got a new BW back-up I've never used if you want to try it. It's a RH medium. Many tabs need to be trimmed to fit if you've got weird finger lengths like I do.
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Ken - I always used a glove, then switched to a tab about 7 years ago. It was pretty easy to get used to. I doubt that I will ever use a glove again!
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I switched to tabs about 5 year's ago and now I wonder how I shot with a glove, lol. The transition for me took all of 15 mintues to adjust to. The tab definitely helped improve my consistency in shooting.
However when I am rabbit hunting or bow fishing I still use a glove or bare fingers!
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Was not a difficult transition for me but took a little while to get comfortable and feel normal.
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I went with a glove when I switched back as that is what I used as a teen. I have considered switching myself for a wimpy kind of reason.....can you wear a light glove with a tab and if so what would be a good tab for that?
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Shot with a glove for 50 years or so. Went to a friends to shoot on his property and forgot my glove. He let me use one of his cordovan tabs. Never shot a glove again.
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I started with a glove but switched to a tab many years ago and haven't looked back.Tried going back to a glove but didn't just have the same feel or control I like.
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Even when I was a kid I liked the way I shot with a tab, but bowhunters used gloves, not tabs. Or so I thought! I used a glove for years and pocked up a 3 under tab a little while ago. Just like when I was younger I really liked the way I shot. Now I just need to find the thing!! It seams to have disappeared!! When hunting i always liked the way I could flip a split finger tab out of the way to use my hand. It seam like I'm always digging in my pocket for my wind checker (milkweed fuzz), chapstick, or something, and my glove always got hung up on my pocket!
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I used a glove for over 20yrs, then got the urge to try a tab, i see no reason to ever go back to a glove, get a nice Bateman cordovan and you are all set.
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I started with a glove, but tried a tab once and never looked back. I really like them for hunting as i can get things in my pockets and stuff when i keep it on the backside of my hand until the deer start moving. My arrows fly crazy with a glove so i guess that means i have a better release with the tab? Either way, im not switching back to a glove.
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From first kid bow to hunting recurve up to transition to compound I used a glove. Then switched to a Saunders Fab Tab backed with leather with compound for many years. When attempting to get back into trad twenty plus years ago I tried a glove again but neither glove nor trad lasted more than a few yew years. Recently got back into trad again and went back to the Fab Tab. Never considered the glove this time - gave my son one glove and put the other on the Auction. Just recently trying the Fab Tab without the leather for more intimate feel.
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I just switched about 2months ago. I shoot better and a better release. It was easy to switch with instant results.
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well just picked up a tab from Ron W and will give it a whirl today!
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ok just took around 60 shots and think I might like a tab, grouping as well as when using a glove. have a couple more questions
1) bow sounds louder when using a tab or is it just me?
2) knock arrow of string every time when I first grab string, I shoot 3 under.
3) anchor feels different know but still in same place guess I just have to shoot more and get use to it.
4) now which Tab should I get???? thinking I might like a medium/think one not sure???
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Try a Batemen 3 under. It has an elastic band that goes around the middle finger and is adjustable.
I use a medium, but my fingers are shorter for my size. I carry two with me. One is set to go over my bare hand, the other is sized to go over a military wool liner glove. The thicker green ones. The size can be changed in a second if I lose one.
If I'm getting extra noise, I usually am to tense in my and forearm. If I relax and pull with my elbow, it quiets right down.
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here is the tab I borrowed from Ron W and seems to fit well.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/adkmountainken/trad%20archery/IMG_0283.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/adkmountainken/media/trad%20archery/IMG_0283.jpg.html)
here is a 3 shot group at 15 yards using my Kanati.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/adkmountainken/trad%20archery/IMG_0285.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/adkmountainken/media/trad%20archery/IMG_0285.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/adkmountainken/trad%20archery/IMG_0284.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/adkmountainken/media/trad%20archery/IMG_0284.jpg.html)
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I'm a convert. My cousin talked me into it a bunch of years ago to avoid "pinch" finger contact. At the time I was shooting SPLIT, to not throw in too much confusion. Plus I wasn't even aware of 3 under a the Time. It took about a week to get used to. And my shooting really did improve. I have since gone to 3 under and I'm pretty sure I had other major leaps and bounds in improvement. I now make my own tabs, cause it's ridiculously easy to do. And to answer a question you can wear a glove under if you have a big enough loop in your tab. Good luck!
The anchor feels different because there's no material over your fingers. Yes it's slightly different but it's a better feel for sure
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its also giving me the illusion of a deeper anchor I think or maybe it is and just feels more comfortable?
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You may be hearing the tab snapping from the string because they are loose, and not your bow. A glove stays tight, so that sound is not there with a glove. Trust me though, at a few paces away, you wont hear it.
If you are referring to a deep hook, it should be the same as the glove. I think its probably just more easily noticed with a tab/deep hook.
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just wanted to thank all of you for the info and pm's, I have been going in and out after reading all the tips and it helps tremendously, not %100 sure i'll make the switch but I do know that I shoot just as good with a tab now and should shoot better once I get use to it.
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A couple years ago I tried switching from a glove to a tab, and also tried switching from 3 under back to split.....I found that I could not do either? Shooting split felt alien, but shooting that tab felt like I was holding the string back with a leather shingle..!!! I may try another time, but this one I will make out of a very thin piece of leather....Good luck with that transition!....jackdaw
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i started with a glove and switched to a tab-
1. it just felt better and more consolidated
2.i can easily flip it out of the way over the back of my finger- so can use my hand unhindered
3.i like to make my own gear- and have a nice design worked out for my tap now- i currently use goat hide( as it never gets a groove in it) but cordovan ( which incidentally is not a leather but rather a muscle) would also work well
4.if i was shooting in a cool environment- i would use a mitten with one of those "flip the finger part backwards" deal- so that i could keep my tab on my finger- and still cover up and keep warm.
http://www.llbean.com/llb/shop/20516?page=mens-windbloc-converta-mitts
dont think i would like the feel of a glove under a tab!
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Good thread. My experience is a bit different I have tried and been somewhat successful with changing from glove to tab. The tab I liked a lot was the Alaskan Bowhunter tab. But have not found them lately. I also tried A Batemsn split, and a Black Widow split. But so far, I still shoot better with a glove, in particular an American Leather crossover.
I just feel like I have more control on the whole process of shooting with a glove - but that is what I started with fifty years ago. When hunting it just seems awkward to use a tab to me. The tab does seem like a quicker, cleaner release and that is what keeps me trying every once in awhile.
I will still mess around with a tab occaisionally, but I prefer the glove.
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Originally posted by shed hunter:
I just switched about 2months ago. I shoot better and a better release. It was easy to switch with instant results.
Same here!
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I switched several years ago and have not looked back.
Only thing I will say is, if you do try a tab, give it a chance. Lie a real chance, not just a couple days. The whole feel will be different, your anchor will not feel right, it is just completely different, and you have to give it a chance to tell if it is for you or not.
Bisch
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That tab I let you try is an old Black Widow that I wore out and then rebuilt........just so you know. I should have given you a better one to try, but I didn't want to spoil you....... :goldtooth:
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that tab works fine its all I needed to get the feel of one. defiantly going to buy a new one.
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I changed over more than 20 years ago. It took a few days to get used to a tab, but it was not difficult. For me the tab is superior to the glove.
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All right, I'll try it again for a week..
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After shooting with a high quality glove for over 50 years I tried out a shooting tab 3 weeks ago. My shooting buddy talked me into it. I found that within a few minutes of shooting with a Safari Tuff tab that my release is cleaner and my groups are tighter than ever before. I did however find that my bow string started hitting my nose so I adjusted my head orientation a tiny bit. I'm now shooting so well that I will never go back to a glove.
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I don't find switching hard at all. I've switched so many times I've lost count. Just switched again about a month ago.
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Just switched to a tab from Dan Toelke and it dramatically improved my release.
http://montanabows.blogspot.com/p/accessories.html
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As I think you may recall from another thread, I'm a Super Glove fan myself. Even snapped one up recently after a long period of not using one.
Why a long period? Because I switched to using a tab. It took almost no time to adapt. I've found the release to be much better. The Fred Eichler tab has a finger hole large enough to accommodate a spring/fall weight glove under it. In winter, I use the Safari Tuff tab, which has a cord and cord lock that will fit over my winter gloves. Plus these tabs don't stand out in the woods like the yellow leather on the Super Glove.
I used the Super Glove I just bought last week, and I'm sticking with the the tabs. BTW, I shoot three under as well.
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I shoot so much better with a tap and have tried just about every tap made. Now I make my own. I like to use a slick plastic face and two nocks on my string. Gives you a real consistant release.