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Last week on my Hunt I had a discusion with one of the guys in the group....
   The discussion was about a Deer with a well placed shot, lets say a nice double lung hit....
   I said that most Deer maybe as high as 90% would Run at least a few yards or more befor dropping, The other guy said that Most of the Deer would drop on the spot, Because "ALL" of his have....
   So lets see what the group says....Drop or Run....
   I know this would be a good "POLL" but I mess those up....   :knothead:

I cast my opinion for a run & drop

i have never had a deer just drop on the spot when i hit just the lungs or heart. So im going going to say run...Curtis

Mine have always run for a bit.

run & drop....I've never had a double lunged deer drop on the spot with an arrow. 10-15 yards was my shortest.

MD

I have also never had a deer hit in the lungs not run at least a little ways and then drop... this is with a bow. I have had several deer drop on the spot with a double lung shot out of a firearm, this is because firearms kill more from shock and bows kill from hemorrhage.

I've never seen any animal drop on spot from only a heart/lung hit, I have seen animals shot right through the heart run over a 100 yards several times. The only big game animals I have seen drop right on the spot were brain or spine shot.

Run or walk and drop. The only time they'd drop on the spot is if they were spine shot.

50 plus kills and I've had 1 buck drop with a lung/heart shot.  To this day I have no idea why it did!

I haven't shot a lot of deer but I think most will run for awhile. My first deer was shot with a 30-06 (150 bullet), the shot was a little low and broke the humorous as well as taking out the top of the heart and both lungs. Even then that little spike buck ran a good 60 or 70 yards before dropping.

I read somewhere that it is possible if a deer is exhaling when both lungs are hit that it can drop on the spot, but that seems like there's a one in a million chance of that happening.

Run

I have shot alot of deer over the years and the only one I ever had drop was a spine shot.

run until lungs give out or fill up

The closest to dropping on the spot was a double lung who jumped a bit, bit at his side then kind of hung out trying to decide what happened. He fell about 10 yards from where he was shot. The only true drop was last years spine shot. The rest have put some yardage on.

Like the others - (only gun shots have made any of mine drop and stay) Bow and Arrow kills for me have run and dropped. I did have one I shot from a tree stand that dropped on impact (like she'd been heart shot with a 30.06). She was only about 8 yards away. Needless to say, I was shocked. Then all the sudden she started spinning around on her side, in a circle on the ground, Kicking her feet and legs, while I just "gawked", with my mouth open. About the time it dawned on me to slap another arrow on my string, she jumped up and ran like a scalded rabbit. We never found her, nor any tiniest sign of a blood trail - just the arrow about 10 yards away, completely soaked with "good" blood. Never have figured that one out unless she was hit high enough that all the blood drained into the cavity. It was also witnessed by a hunter in a tree not that far the other side of her path away from the hit.

all of mine have run from a double lung shot too. may not have run far but have run.

What kind of broadhead is he using?  Where can we get them?    :knothead:

run

The guy was full of crap.  Lung shot deer don't drop on the spot.

Stan

run and drop, i have had a few just walk off and thin drop.

Run and drop myself, but have seen on video and had others tell me about heart-lung area shots dropping a deer. From what I can tell it is because they took out one or both shoulders.

He must be using exploding tipped arras.

The only way to get a deer to drop on the spot is to 1. hit the spine and paralyze him or 2. there is a spot on the shoulder blade where a big patch of nerves are. Hit that and they drop dead. Everything shuts off like a light switch. This is where most people with firearms have there deer drop on the spot. It's not the bullet itself hitting it but the shock wave being strong enough to rip those nerves up.

Double Lung run and drop.One went almost 150 yards. Perfect pass threw heart shot with arrow sticking in the ground, drop in  40 yards or less. The only drop was three different spine shots.

The only deer I have seen that dropped from a "lung hit" was when a guy was using a compound bow with expandable broadhead shot at a yearling doe at 30 yards broad side. The arrow hit the ribs, past through into the thoracic cavity and some how deflected upward striking the spine. The doe dropped and died nearly instantly without kicking etc.

So , I guess it was more than just a simple lung shot. Not much blood on the ground either with one hole exp-BH .

I vote the run and drop as well.  12 years or so back, I was shooting wheels, and shot a late season doe from about 12 yards.  The old jennings didn't spit em out too fast- but she was quiet.  Hit the doe tight behind the front shoulder and low- taking out the heart with a rocky mtn razor.  She literally took one step, turned her head to see was was making the noise on the ground- just like pulling the drain plug.  She looked at the blood and it took all of 15-20 seconds, one step, and she fell over dead.  My shortest blood trail ever......

Run, really fast most of the time.  I did have one just stand there once.

With broadheads run and drop, once with a 30/06 she dropped, with slugs and conicals always run and drop unless spine was encountered.  I've seen their hearts turned to spaggetti and still run 60 yards.

The only deer I have ever shot that "dropped" on the spot were spine shot, all others ran or walked away.......


David

Even when I gun hunted often, only a spine or neck shot put them on the ground immediately.  I have double lung shot at least 4 deer with a 12 gauge and they all ran around 20-30 yards.

Just my experience,
Charlie

run and drop.

Run and drop.

I shot a big doe one time at 10 yards that hopped once and started looking around like, "What happened?".  Then she blew once, and continued to stand there.  Then she started to get wobbly and fell over.  She was 3 yards from my arrow in the dirt.

I had a friend shoot a buck at 39 yards that he said never moved after the hit.  Double lunged him and he stood there for probably 10 seconds and then just fell over.

On both of these examples, upon examination during cleaning, no bone was hit on entry or exit.  The arrows entered between two ribs and exited between ribs.  I think the lack of "impact" had something to do with the deer's reaction.

Out of approximately 235 bow killed deer that I have the information on, these were the only two instances where the deer didn't seem to react to being shot.

So I say run and drop.   :thumbsup:

Thanks for all the feed back....
The friend in Question has to be takin with a grain of salt, some lime and a shot....
   The same person argued that a 50cal round was bigger than a 20MM shell....  :knothead:

Never had one drop instantly unless the spinal cord was involved. I have seen many hits where the only reaction was a couple jumps to put space between where the hit occured, and where they stop
to survey the situation... and down they go.

QuoteOriginally posted by mike g:

   The same person argued that a 50cal round was bigger than a 20MM shell....   :knothead:  

:biglaugh:    :biglaugh:

 
I think everyone knows someone like that.  

Lol - well, 50 is bigger than 20 isn't it?  Perhaps he would trade you a few 20 dollar bills for some 50 cent pieces as well.

:o )

Run and drop!

My BS detector went off as soon as I read that ALL of his deer dropped at the shot.

Run and drop in my experiences.

The only deer I've ever have drop on the spot to an arrow were spined...

Probably 80% of the deer I've taken with a rifle or handgun ran for aways after the hit as well...

My hunting partner, and fellow TG'r (BBassi), last year took a deer with a stone point.  His deer dropped in its place, and he can't yet understand why as it was a typical chest cavity hit (dlung/heart).  That is the only one I am aware of that fell on the spot without a spine/head shot.

Walk/run then fall.....that is opinion

BobW

The only deer I have had drop on the spot from an arrow were somehow hit in hte spine.  However since I started using single bevel BH's....mostly Grizzleys sharpened to s shaving edge.  My recovery distance has been almost nill.  Watching most drop or at least go into a death writh before going out of sight.  Never had a perfect doule lung drop with an arrow.

Mike,
with all due respect to your campmate,if he thinks deer that are double lunged drop instantly he doesn't know anything about bowhunting.

The only way a deer drops instantly is if its shot in the spine..and then it isn't always dead,just paralyzed to some extent-partially or full..depending on penetration into the spine.

An arrow kills by collapsing lungs..that doesn't make a deer pass out instantly..it takes time, as you well know.

I agree,Spine shot yes.Lung shot run and drop.
Mike, do I know who your talking about?

Run and drop  !!!!  It even makes a difference as to wether or not the deer is inhaling or exhaling at the time of a double lung hit..  If he is inhaling, he can go further, exhaling,not as far.....  Jim