What's your thoughts on it?
Just got a few Fury strings for different bows from Allen. very pleased with them.
I've been shooting Fury strings from 10 Ring Strings on my recurve and longbow for a few months and am VERY impressed with them. I find the Fury strings to be noticeably quieter than my other new BCY 8125 strings. Very fast and NO stretch after it breaks in (very short period of time).
We switched to this material on our strings last year and love it.
Mike
Best stuff on the market IMHO :thumbsup:
I have few strings and have NO issues with it.
Not always easy to get specs from Brownell, but as best I can find it's supposed to be 100% SK90 Dyneema...same thing as BCY's 8190F. There's only one company in the world that produces SK90 Dyneema (DSM).
SK65 Dyneema is the original "Fast Flight" (invented by Bob Destin and Ray Browne, the founders of BCY). Back then SK65 was as good as it got. Later it improved to SK75 (Dynaflight '97, 8125), then SK78 (Force 10), and most recently SK90.
Dyneema is DSM's trade name for their brand of High Modulus Polyethylene (HMPE). It's a super-strong plastic fiber--the strongest man-made fiber we have.
Great stuff, it has it limitations. I haven't used the "Fury" brand myself (I prefer BCY products), but I've studied bow strings and bow string materials for over 20 years now. Particular materials have particular characteristics that can be researched.
The plus side is Dyneema string materials are going to be slightly more durable (Vectran is brittle) and slightly faster (due to lighter mass weight - Vectran is heavier) when compared to blended materials like 452X, 450+, BCY-X, etc.
Negatives are it has more elasticity, and will creep in higher temps. How much depends on several variables. That's what led to the development of 450 Premium (also invented by Bob Destin of BCY), which was the very first blended bowstring material.
Short version, a good string maker should be able to make a good string with it.
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Best material out there I've used.
LBR,
By any chance are you prejudice? Brownell has been in business alot longer than BCY and is superior to BCY in most aspects. I use both so please don't call me the same. :(
Regards,
Grouse
I don't see how what Chad wrote is prejudiced. He's always been very clear that he prefers and uses BCY products in part because in his experience it's easier for him to get complete specs from BCY. All he's doing is identifying the BCY material that he thinks is most similar to Fury, and providing some good info based on his experience. He's not denigrating Brownell, just saying he prefers BCY (not "BCY is better", but "I prefer BCY").
Grouse, I'm not into name calling. I don't try to hide the fact that I prefer BCY (anyone that knows me or bothers to ask knows this), for several reasons.
My experience has been far superior customer service (the reason I switched from Brownell to BCY almost 2 decades ago). Always on the forefront of technology--BCY's founders invented "Fast Flight". BCY's founders invented the first blended bowstring material (450 Premium). BCY was the first to us SK90 Dyneema both singularly and blended in a bowstring material. The list could go on and on.
Yes, Brownell has been in business a lot longer than BCY. Superior? The market disagrees with you enormously. Making luggage and fishing nets (Brownell has done both)doesn't really make you any better at making bowstring material, no matter how long the name has been around. On the flip side, how long do you think the people working at Brownell's string division have been in that line of work?
If "best" is your opinion, no problem there...but you state it as if it's fact. You need to be able to verify to do such. As I said, the facts can be researched. I gave facts, not opinion.
If you aren't biased, I'm sure you can provide facts to support your statement. If not, maybe you will have to admit just a bit of prejudice? ;)
More facts to consider. The founders of BCY, Ray Browne and Bob Destin, made huge improvements to Brownell's string making division when they worked there. Brownell used to be a big corporation, with bowstring being a tiny part. BCY is dedicated to bowstring and serving materials, period (they do sell a few related products - wax, serving tools, string jigs, etc.).
Ray Browne and Bob Destin invented "Fast Flight", which revolutionized the bowstring market (and Brownell's bowstring division). They did this when working for Brownell, so Brownell owns the rights to the name. BCY still offers the original formula in 652 Spectra.
Bob Destin further revolutionized bowstring material when he invented 450 Premium, the first blended bowstring material. This led to 450+, 452X, and BCY-X. BCY-X is patented. That's why Brownell hasn't come out with a copy of it--by law, they can't. 452X is still the benchmark in the wheel industry.
If Fury is SK90 Dyneema (I've had no luck getting specifics from Brownell. BCY lists what their materials are made from on their web site), then it's the same material as BCY's 8190F. BCY was the first to use SK90 Dyneema in a bowstring material (8190 Universal).
In a relatively short time...approximately 25 years...BCY went from absolutely nothing (Ray Browne and Bob Destin didn't leave Brownell to start BCY--it came about a while after they left) to being by far the largest and most respected name in bowstring material in the world. You don't do that by offering "second best".
Allen, no disrespect to you. You are obviously a phenomenal string maker, and as such you can make a great string from most any decent material.
I love this stuff (strings and string material). I love to talk about it, I love to study it, and I love to put the facts out there about it. I'm not the least bit intimidated by being "called out". I don't claim to know it all, but I try to stay up to date as best I can.
I welcome any questions, either on the board, via pm, or e-mail (chad@recurves.com). BCY is also easy to talk to, with tons of info. at www.bcyfibers.com (http://www.bcyfibers.com) .
Chad
jhk1, thank you!
In honor of "full disclosure", I admit I am prejudiced on a personal level. As I said before, I've preferred BCY for the last 20 years or so, but in the last 5 or 6 I've been honored and blessed to be able to work with BCY at some of the larger archery venues, and Roger Browne has become one of my best friends. Through
BCY I've met some of the world's top ranked archers and coaches and attended some of the world's most prestigious tournaments. In other words, living the dream!
That being said, I try to avoid giving opinions when facts are needed; or at least if I give an opinion I'll label it as such. Remember, the first 15 or so years I was strictly BCY was without any relationship with them other than as a regular customer. Even though that relationship has changed, my attitude towards strings and string materials hasn't. Before I would offer BCY-X to my customers, I tried it for myself. I even bought a new bow specifically for testing it (a Samick "Journey"). I figured if it would make that cheap bow shoot, it had to be good. That was going on three years ago, and I'm still shooting that Journey--because with a BCY-X string, it's a heck of a shooter!
The facts I give can be researched, and I'll be glad to help. I won't be the least bit insulted if someone wants to verify what I've said--heck, I encourage it! Just like I encourage people to learn to build their own strings--it's easier to figure out what works best for you that way. I'll even help you out with material and serving to ease the costs.
So, if you are a bowyer, professional string maker, or just wanting to get your feet wet and learning to make your own for yourself and/or for friends, feel free to let me know and I'll be glad to help if I can.
Chad
I too am a fan of BCY products,been making my own strings for around 20+ years.I just build for myself and a few friends,and one thing I liked about BCY was they offered their strings in smaller sizes,you can get their strings in 1/8# spools.Brownell has just started recently offering their products in 1/8# spools.Which is less costly for the home builder.A couple of 1/8# spools can make quite a few strings.I have used the original Brownell Fast Flight and then with D97,8125,8190,450+ and now BCY-X has become my favorite.I do have and use Brownell Ultra Cam,it's a good string material but has been discontinued.Another thing I like about BCY products,I get all my string material from Chad.Great guy to talk with about strings and to deal with!
Thanks JRY!
Ok, what Grouse said about Brownell being "superior to BCY in most aspects" has been bugging me.
I guess I'm impatient--I'd love to hear some sort of basis for this statement, but in the meantime I did a little research.
I went with two comparable materials--the two that, as far as I know, are closest as far as the raw material goes: BCY's B-55 and Brownell's B-50 (both polyester) and BCY's 8190F (100% SK90 Dyneema) and Brownell's Fury (supposed to be the same).
Ok, with a few quick searches here are the comparisons I found.
Although B-55 is made with a slightly higher grade of polyester, it retails for $10.25. B-50 retails for $11.99. This is from the 3 Rivers site.
For Fury and 8190F, I had to use a different site that I can't mention here. I'll just say it's a very large archery equipment retail/wholesale store.
Brownell's Fury is $62.99 for 1/4#. BCY's 8190F is $55.99 for 1/4#.
How about colors? I looked on the respective web sites for a list of colors. Brownell lists 24 solid colors. BCY lists 31.
Variety of string materials offered? Brownell has 8 on their site. BCY has 10.
Serving? Brownell offers 11, BCY offers 12 plus nock tying thread. BCY offers a wider variety of sizes and colors as well.
Customer service, I can only speak from my own experience. Absolutely no comparison between the two--back when BCY sold retail to the public, they always treated me like a million dollar customer even when I was getting started and my orders were embarrassingly small. Brownell told me in no uncertain terms that I wasn't worth their trouble.
Nowadays that last one is a moot point for most, as they will buy from a retailer...but I haven't forgotten it. Customer service is a big deal to me.
So I ask sincerely...in what aspects is Brownell "superior"?
Chad
Ok.... We've got a gentleman that asks what we think of Brownell Fury string, and we get 1000 words on BCY products & why they are a better company from a prejudiced string builder who won't even build a Fury string.... :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
This is kind of strange..... :deadhorse:
I for one love the Fury string, and think Brownell is a great company.
Hankem, if you care to look it wasn't my post that sidetracked the discussion.
I said in my first post on this topic I prefer BCY.
For the record, my first reply is very much on topic. No, I haven't used the Fury brand, but I have used SK90 bowstring material. Changing the brand name of a material won't change it's characteristics.
If there's a problem with any of the facts I listed, please let me know so I can make corrections.
Chad
Let's not become another Leatherbrawl. Things begin to go that way on (fairly) rare occasion; a mature and respectful observation should be enough to keep the level of civility here what it is.
And, I aim this at no one particular; just see too much of it elsewhere. And I have called folks on it elsewhere when I reached my personal limit; have never had a need to do that here, which I believe is something we all appreciate.
I have held Fury, watched strings being made with it, shot bows with it on it, and I think you'll like it. I, along with Chad, use BCY materials, but I don't knock someone for using Brownell.
Allen makes a great string. Want proof, just search "10 ring strings" and you'll see more praise than any on person should receive!
Sorry fellas for starting a sore topic. I've got some fury string material coming and wanna start making my own strings. So I was just wanting to know some about strings on how they faired. Could someone tell me how to figure out how many strings you should use on different bows?
Shed, for my part don't sweat it, and I apologize if I gave information you weren't interested in.
Like a lot of other things in archery, strand count is mostly a matter of personal preference, especially with the HMPE materials. They are strong enough to go low if you want, but in 20+ years of tinkering I don't know of a good reason to do that.
I can't make a well made "skinny" string do anything I can't make a moderate strand count do...except stretch/creep more and wear faster. I don't know them all, but of the people I know that make a living shooting bows accurately, I don't know a one that advocates "skinny" strings. To the contrary, most go with what I consider a little bit over-built, i.e. Brady Ellison shooting 16 strands of 8125.
That's just me though. One of the great things about being able to build your own strings is you can experiment and see what works best for you.
Back to the question...for me, depending on the type nock I'm using, 18-20 strands works great for me with 8190 so it should be the same with Fury. With 18 strands I can get a great fit for an X nock with .014 Halo, with 20 strands .024 Halo or .025 62XS fits a Bohnning Classic just right.
Chad
I really really like the fury string I got from Allen. Like it so much, I got a spare from him.
Tom
Mike, shoot me a PM and I will give you some strand count/serving sizes to start with.
Oops, I didn't see that Chad gave you some strand count/serving info above. Best of luck with it. Let me know if I can help further.
QuoteOriginally posted by LBR:
Hankem, if you care to look it wasn't my post that sidetracked the discussion.
I said in my first post on this topic I prefer BCY.
For the record, my first reply is very much on topic. No, I haven't used the Fury brand, but I have used SK90 bowstring material. Changing the brand name of a material won't change it's characteristics.
If there's a problem with any of the facts I listed, please let me know so I can make corrections.
Chad
I think the problem is too many facts & your promotion of BCY products. That and dominating a man's thread when a guy simply asked what guys thought of Fury string..... looks to me like you are bowing your own horn a bit much here... :dunno: :dunno:
Too many facts? :rolleyes:
Allrightythen.
:biglaugh: :laughing: :dunno:
One thing I always take note of is member number and post count when deciding how much credibility to give to a post...the way I see it is:
LBR #236 and 5593
Hankem #44738 and 27
DDave
^^^ :thumbsup:
Right on Dave.
It doesn't take many posts to see self promotion, and trying to pedal BCY materials rather than Brownell......
Credibility? Good god... it doesn't take any credibility to see what's going on here... Its obvious. :saywhat:
QuoteI think the problem is too many facts...
:bigsmyl:
QuoteOriginally posted by Hankem:
It doesn't take many posts to see self promotion, and trying to pedal BCY materials rather than Brownell......
Credibility? Good god... it doesn't take any credibility to see what's going on here... Its obvious. :saywhat:
you clearly seem to have an attitude problem and perhaps some self-serving agenda. dunno, don't care.
your attacks on LBR and BCY are totally unsubstantiated and are at the least slanderous.
within this thread, i haven't read where LBR is at the least knocking brownell, but he did give info about both that company and BCY that y'all should read and understand.
for the most part, modern string materials are typically ALL some flavor of HMPE. when i was a custom bowstring maker, i used products from both companies and they were ALL good, just take yer pick. to say that one SPECIFIC string material is better than another, when BOTH companies are essentially offering the SAME base product material, makes me wonder a bit.
now, this has nothing to do with either LBR, BCY or brownell - but yer classless attitude and abrasive posts are something we don't allow at trad gang. y'all think about that for awhile, 'k?
Right on Rob! But please scold LBR as well....I'm tired of him adding facts to his posts, they just cloud my judgment ;-)
ok - LBR, please stop informing the membership about bowstring materials ..... NOT! :D
Rob if you feel you to delete this thread by all means go ahead. I didn't mean for it to turn into this.
this thread is just fine, save for a few mean intentioned posts by that other feller, but thank you for your thought.
:campfire:
QuoteOriginally posted by damascusdave:
One thing I always take note of is member number and post count when deciding how much credibility to give to a post...the way I see it is:
LBR #236 and 5593
Hankem #44738 and 27
DDave
Very well said Sir.
Thanks men--much appreciated!
Plus, not that I think LBR is doing it, but sponsors, if they want to, can self promote here, that's why we pay to be sponsors.
To get back to the original question after sifting through a whole lot of nothing here:
I've got a couple of Fury strings from Allen at Ten Ring Strings on my Steve Turay Northern Mist Shelton. They're a great string. My prediction is you'll be very happy with Fury, especially if you get them from Allen.
QuoteOriginally posted by shed hunter:
Sorry fellas for starting a sore topic. I've got some fury string material coming and wanna start making my own strings. So I was just wanting to know some about strings on how they faired. Could someone tell me how to figure out how many strings you should use on different bows?
Shed,
You will likely be happy with anywhere from 10 to 20 strands. You will simply need to figure out which serving size to go with for proper nock fit. If I may add take a lot of notes when you start building your strings.
Have fun in learning to build your own strings. It is really easy to make a quality string with a little practice. String making is like shooting your bow, consistency is the key.
Your Fury string will be fine. I use BCY do to the fact that a good friend gave me a lifetime supply. Good luck and have fun.
See. just a small sample of what we have to put up with!!!!
Well, I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I sure feel informed. Never have I ever been so "up to speed" on bow strings.
There's nothing wrong with Fury. I you're interested in it give it a try. If you don't like the material you can always sell it to someone that likes it. I build a lot of strings and there's no "one perfect material" for all of them. I mainly use BCY and prefer 8125G. It's just what I like. I've put strings on bows that don't like anything other than B50 or B55. I've also seen ones that really seemed to prefer a skinny fast flight set up. It really comes down to what the bow and shooter prefers. If you start building strings you're going to experiment a bunch. It's just going to be that way. Curiosity will get you every time! That's just part of our sport. We're always looking for different ways to put an arrow down range. It's not really worth arguing about. Build one and let us know what you think about it. So far it hasn't really seemed much different than 8190 for me, but I didn't find much improvement in BCY X over 8125G except making my wallet thinner.
Thank yall for all your insite. I just need to get the rest of my together to start building them.