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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: South MS Bowhunter on January 04, 2016, 09:57:00 PM
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Shot a doe late this afternoon right at legal shooting hours,at the shot all indications were a shot in the boiler room.
Shot was about 20 yards broadside from a natural ground blind on the edge of a food plot.
Upon release heard the distinct sound of the "popping balloon" and watched as the doe dropped to the ground almost touching her belly and simultaneously reeling her legs to leave the way she came.
I sat for an additional 10-15 minutes before checking the arrow. Which at that point as I was gathering my gear up another deer started blowing.
My first thoughts were it was another deer not seen by me as there has been a group of 4 coming in on a regular basic the last 5 days or so.
I fully expected to find an arrow with bright bubbly blood, I instead found an arrow that appeared to be clean with no evidence of a hit. I picked it up disappointed and placed in my quiver and headed home.
After arriving home and changing clothes I set out to resharpen the broadhead, and once I had my glasses on :readit: To my amazement the broadhead had hair and fat embedded in it and the arrow had a faint coating of blood from broadhead to back of fletchings.
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I did not see the actual impact of the arrow, only the does reaction and the sound. Did not hear any crash or trashing, but this could easily be explained by the deer normal route. They travel a well bush hogged road between pines.
I know it not a lot to go on, but i'm looking for ya'll thoughts.
I'll be back there in the morning to search, the temps are going down to 32 tonight. My only worries are the coyotes.
I shot a doe last year with about the same type blood and evidence but it was a gut shot deer and you could smell it. This doesn't have that smell.
Thoughts please :pray:
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The hair on the broadhead in the pic looks brown and not white. If so, you may have been a tad high, and with her ducking the way you described, you may have hit her right across the top of the back. If that is the case, she will most likely be fine. It's really hard to guess though.
Bisch
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Well the obvious, you did hit this deer. If you hit the lungs. Even the liver. The arrow would be covered with better blood that what we are seeing here. As they are highly vascular areas. The oiliness could indicate intestines. But without the smell that's a far stretch. The only thing left would be the actual stomach. And depending on the angle of your shot. Might not be all that far fetched if she was moving from right to left. Food particles would be slightly evident too. It's good you didn't go after her. Check tomorrow after it's been 24 hrs. You might pick up some blood. Where she laid down. Or she may be right there! Good luck. And don't quit!
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I'm with Bisch either high or low brisket maybe taking some of the off side fine leg hairs on its way through. I always tend to lean towards brisket hits when the arrows are smeared with blood and fat and from experience when you hit or touch that rib cartilage low them deer freak out. Good luck hope you fine better sign/deer in the morning.
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Looks just like a deer I hit earlier this season that ducked the arrow and turned on a 25 yard shot. Went through the fat of her back. She ran...but only about 20 yards then stopped and look around like "what the heck was that" then she bounded away. Blood was barely there and after a 5 hour search and eventually seeing her later, she is alive and well now with new piercing. I hate wounding them but stuff happens and deer react sometimes. Just part of the glory that is archery!
Good luck, Keep us updated.
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The thing that concerns me most about the description is the "popped pumpkin" sound....that's usually a body cavity puncture. Gut/paunch shot deer usually leave the arrow covered in fat like you have and blood smears like you have but also they usually leave a stink on the arrow.....unless the stomach was nearly empty which I might well have been......
You'll want to wait until tomorrow for sure and hopefully you'll find a blood trail. If not and if you truly didn't push her (hope that wasn't her blowing at you) then she should have bedded close by...100-200 yards ish and you'll find her with a good thorough search. If you did accidentally push her she might be considerably further.
Good luck!! I hope ya find her.
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First pic was with the flash on here one without to see the hair in it natural light.
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The one I shot last year through the gut had similar blood smears and fat but like I said also had the evidence of gut.
I'm holding out hope that it will be better sign in daylight. My buddy shot one earlier this year with less signs than this and found his deer. Turned out he enter from a quartering away angle and when through gut and kidney.
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I shot a doe a few years back that I hit high straight up from the leg. She dropped straight to the ground and jumped up and almost did a back flip. She was caughing as she ran off. I just new she was a dead deer, but my arrow looked the same as yours. After about an hour we started looking but never found any sign of her. I had hit her to high and went thru the body cavity just over the lungs.
I hope your outcome is better than mine. Best of luck to you!
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Double post sorry.
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strange things happen some times...my grandson killed a spike bull this year with a broad side standing shot, he hit it perfect between ribs and the arrow took out the right lung and then turned up and embeded in the spine :dunno:
keep us posted
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Im with Bisch i had the same thing happen to me a few yrs ago. I shot the deer hit it high the deer ran off and looked fine after retrieving my arrow it looked similar to yours. When the deer ran off it headed 80 yds then cut right. I had a pretty good idea where it was heading. I waited a good 6 hrs. Then headed to where I figured the deer went. It was,a,well worn deer trail that I always see deer use. I did find blood not a lot I tracked it for maybe 40 yds. Then no more blood. Never found any more blood or the deer
So for piece of mind go look. You may get lucky! Good luck
Tim
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BLOOD DOG
If you have some available !!
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ttt
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Get out looking now you definitely have had let her have enough time to die!
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I hope you find it
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Looking at the arrow I would say brisket. She will be fine.
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Just got back in after searching for half the day, I'm pretty well convinced that my shot was marginal at best. Like most have stated more than likely a brisket hit by the sign on the arrow and what I was able to find today.
The terrain is thick pines choked with wild yopon shrubs. Very thick and need to be a rabbit to get through it.
(http://i795.photobucket.com/albums/yy235/jalmay5th/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-01/30616408-2239-41B4-B128-09891631B9AB.jpg) (http://s795.photobucket.com/user/jalmay5th/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-01/30616408-2239-41B4-B128-09891631B9AB.jpg.html)
From where I hit the doe to the only Blood found was approximately 40 yards. Here's a pic from inside the hide to the edge of the food plot.
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The location of the blood is also in the same proximity of where I heard the deer blowing after gathering my gear up to leave.
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To me it appeared the deer stood in this location and it allowed the small patch of blood to drip.
I grid search what areas I could get into to find more blood or any other likely signs and turned up nothing.
Thanks to all for your comments and advice, I knew that the most I could expect was some past experiences that would help me in what I knew was going to a difficult track.
Been a tough year so far far, 2 shots one hit and a miss.
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Sorry you didn't get your doe. Your arrow looks exactly like a brisket shot I made on a buck last year. That deer survived and likely yours will too.
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The arrow looks the same as the brisket shot I made last year with the same blood I was amazed how the blood just stopped. I was able to track the deer until her prints got mixed up with some others.
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I agree that it was a brisket shot - I've unfortunately seen arrows that look just like that and similar blood trails. The good news is - other than a small wound that will heal by the end of the week - she's completely fine. Do you have trail cameras in the area? If you do - you'll see her again real soon to confirm.
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I would bet a high meat hit. RC
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RC and others,
Thanks again for your advice and comments.
I know others and even I have considered the hit being in the brisket, but their is a part of me that agrees with RC and a High hit.
My arrow was found lodge in the dirt beyond the deer some 8 yards away indicating to me a high hit considering also she jump the string.
That what my mind plays out. The only problem with that is the blood would have to drip from the top down to create the small patch (3"x3" in size). And it seems more likely to do so from the brisket area :dunno:
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I cut one across the back once upon a time and my arrow looked just like yours and the blood was the same. Pretty good amounts where ever the deer stopped. I followed mine into a thicket and found blood smeared on saplings it rubbed against which gave me hope until I found where she went under a low limb. The limb acted liked a squeegee across the back wound and scraped the blood off of her back. After that I spent hours but could not pick up anything further. Conclusion: cut across the back.
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If anything a good discussion for future reference on wound anatomy.
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Fat usually comes from two spots brisket ,and back ,but not saying that a doe
may have a slight layer along midline, I'd go out before Coyote s get on her trail .
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The fat with limited blood on the arrow is the clue of high or low. However, long white hair is typical on a brisket hit. The brown hair and dark tips suggest to me it is a high back.
Dan in KS
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Not a good sign when they stand around and blow at you afterwards! As others have stated, the arrow sign looks marginal high or low to me, from the reaction you saw I'd say high, deer ducking the sound plus reacting in a downward motion to the hit. If they run off a little way and stand around because they are getting sick, like from the liver, would result in a better looking arrow, and no blowing. I ran one thru the high loin on a buck this year and he ran off and stood 50 yards away looking around for 5 min, head up/alert. He then snuck off to 100 yds or so, stood around another 15 min, then walked off. I could see him the whole time. Decent blood at each spot, but I knew there wasn't a chance. I put my dog on him the next day, just to see, and he headed to a doe bedding area and checked a scrape 300 yds from where I shot him.... by then he probably forgot about it. They get cut up/hurt all the time, and I wager a good buck fight results in more lasting hurt than a marginal arrow.
R
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A high back hit could definitely be the case - I went with a brisket hit as my "guess" because back in my compound days I went through a spell as a youngster of shooting high out of my stands and "tenderloined" more than one. In each case there was always "meat" on my arrow, not just fat. Whereas the few I've hit in the brisket have resulted in arrows exactly like the one in this thread.
Hard to tell unfortunately. The good news is that either of those hits result in an otherwise healthy deer.
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Ryan,
I thought about you and your dog as I was searching, what would be the results if she took up the track; At this point I was convinced the deer was going about its everyday life just having earned her PHD in survival tactics.
Would love to see maybe a thread started where arrows and signs are interpreted like this to assist in tracking.
Although I hate it with a passion wounding a deer, this has been educational for me and I hope others.
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Looks like a meat hit
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When you cut thru above the spine you are opening a significant wound in both backstraps. There will be slow but steady blood for a while until she lays up and it closes the wound. I will take a little while for it to work it's way down to the brisket and drip off. The fat also is indicative of a back hit.
If you had hit the brisket the blood would have been almost immediate and it wouldn't have taken 40 yards to find some.
I rifle killed a large muley this fall that had been shot thru both backstraps sometime in the past and had healed. The sinew had pulled together and basically healed like a rope in the middle of the meat. He was healthy. I have pics but don't know how to post them.
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I shot this buck on 10/8/15. If you look at the pic, you will see 2 holes. The lower one was my entry hole. The deer went 50yds, and I watched him topple over. I never saw the top hole till I recovered him. That top hole center punched both backstraps. The deer never gave me any indication he was injured. We found out later that a guy on he place next to ours had shot him the night before I did! Again, I could see no indication of injury, even from 12yds, before I shot him. They are tough critters!
Bisch
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Thxs for posting that bisch a picture is worth a thousand words especially when some think there shots are perfect and think they won't go far what tough animals they are for sure!!
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Thanks Bisch,
I would say my shot was probably near bouts the same as your bucks high hit. The way the doe ducked and rolled.
They are wired upped here and I'm having a hard time adjusting for their quickness.