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Hill style build need help
« on: October 03, 2020, 12:18:05 PM »
Hello, I just got to have a hill style Longbow.

My draw length is 26.5" with my 64" ntn kennym rd style bow with a locator grip...
How long ntn should I make my HHS bow and riser length?..
Do I need to use tip wedges if I use a .006"/" taper?
Please help me....Dan

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Re: Hill style build need help
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2020, 02:11:31 PM »
Hello, I just got to have a hill style Longbow.

My draw length is 26.5" with my 64" ntn kennym rd style bow with a locator grip...
How long ntn should I make my HHS bow and riser length?..
Do I need to use tip wedges if I use a .006"/" taper?
Please help me....Dan

66" would be ok.  You could probably go shorter too but maybe wait to decide on shorter after you get a feel for the first off.  Not likely that you can build just one.  :) 

Riser length,  id go with 12" but consider the suggestions of others as well.

I think. 006 taper is a bit more than needed.  It will depend on your widths at fades and nocks.  If you go with 1 1/8" at the fades and say 7/16 at the nocks with. 004 taper you should be ok.

A short tip wedge can be beneficial.

I'll leave stack suggestions to those braver than I.  :)
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Re: Hill style build need help
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2020, 10:36:06 AM »
Thanks Longcruise...
So you say 66" ntn with a 12" riser and .004"/" taper should be fine? What if I want a 68 ntn cause I could later shorten the bow to increase drawweight
Thanks Dan.

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Re: Hill style build need help
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2020, 11:07:32 AM »
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005/" to .006/" depending on the drawlength you're building for.  You can also go less than 1/2"  if needed. Particularly if you are using tip wedges.  /[quote
The above is a quote from 7 Lakes...
Tip wedges but how long and what butt thickness?

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Re: Hill style build need help
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2020, 12:41:53 PM »
Dan, if you get text pics, PM  me your # .

I have a sheet of info even tho I don't do Hill styles...
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Re: Hill style build need help
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2020, 12:43:10 PM »
Thanks Longcruise...
So you say 66" ntn with a 12" riser and .004"/" taper should be fine? What if I want a 68 ntn cause I could later shorten the bow to increase drawweight
Thanks Dan.

Yes, you could do that.
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Re: Hill style build need help
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2020, 12:51:00 PM »
Dan, if you get text pics, PM  me your # .

I have a sheet of info even tho I don't do Hill styles...

Thanks kenny...I love the last rd bow i made its your design but I used a more narrow fade and tips and .004 taper I never posted pics of my bows I think I'll do that sometime soon.

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Re: Hill style build need help
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2020, 04:49:13 PM »
HHS bowyer s please tell me are tip wedges used to stiffen the tips in HHS longbows or is it just to strengthen them ......

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Re: Hill style build need help
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2020, 08:56:56 PM »
HHS bowyer s please tell me are tip wedges used to stiffen the tips in HHS longbows or is it just to strengthen them ......

They do both.   There's a conventional wisdom that says they must have a tip wedge to use a low stretch string.  I'm not convinced of that but I've never tested it.   
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Re: Hill style build need help
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2020, 03:05:07 AM »
Yeah I read that somewhere....but I was wondering with lots of forward taper do we need to use a longer tip wedge to prevent too much whip tiller.
Dan.

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Re: Hill style build need help
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2020, 10:26:49 AM »
Hill style! Yeah, go for it!  It's all I make, but I'm kind of boring ;)
I've never used tip wedges, but I don't make whippy limb bows with lots of taper. Why design weak tips and then have to reinforce them? I use 452X on my unreinforced tips and have never had any problems.

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Re: Hill style build need help
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2020, 11:49:17 AM »
Flem thanks....but what's 452x please clarify..😀

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Re: Hill style build need help
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2020, 01:43:09 PM »
Tried to pm this but wouldn’t work, thank you to the guys who posted originally

 

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Re: Hill style build need help
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2020, 05:52:41 PM »
Yeah I read that somewhere....but I was wondering with lots of forward taper do we need to use a longer tip wedge to prevent too much whip tiller.
Dan.

If you go with. 006 you will want a tip wedge for sure.  Note Flem's comments.

I have gone with .002 to .004.  The .002 is a full 1.5" wide at the fades and 1/4" at the nocks with a  straight sided taper.  The. 004 is 1 1/8" wide and 7/16" at the nocks and has a 4 to 5 inch tip wedge.  All these factors work together or against each other just depending on how you combine them.

The chart Kenny posted is  a very good starting point.
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Re: Hill style build need help
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2020, 06:05:35 PM »
452X is a high strength bow string material

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Re: Hill style build need help
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2020, 05:55:33 AM »
Thanks to all you good folks on this forum for your help... :bigsmyl:
I want to show you all what I have built so far should I start a new thread or post the pics on this one
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Re: Hill style build need help
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2020, 06:47:42 AM »
Start a new thread.

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Re: Hill style build need help
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2020, 09:18:55 AM »
Ok Roy... thanks.

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Re: Hill style build need help
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2020, 09:36:01 PM »
I would rather fail at something above my means, than to succeed at something  beneath my means

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Re: Hill style build need help
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2020, 11:25:38 AM »
Does anyone have a Howard hill Wesley longbow... could you please measure it for me....and post the details here?
Thanks...

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