The trad. only hunts are a joke. Kind of token tags for the trad. group. They used to be good before predators and the '94 winter kill off. Oregon is having a hard time rebounding from these. There are still a few, and I do mean a few, good bucks around. The odds just aren't good unless you live around them or do extensive scouting. Because of the low numbers of good bucks you won't find people giving out this precious info.