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Offline Iowabowhunter

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Gap shooters
« on: December 21, 2019, 07:59:09 PM »
Shooting 3 under, what's the best way to reduce your point on distance, as well as your gaps?

Is it longer arrows, heavier arrows etc?

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Re: Gap shooters
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2019, 09:34:21 PM »
In my opinion, the best way to lower the point on distance when using 3 under with gap is the fixed crawl.  This has been described in videos by Jimmy Blackmon, which you can find on YouTube, and most recently by Jason Westbrock in the Dec-Jan 2020 edition of Traditional Bowhunter.  This is a refinement of string walking, without all the fuss.  You decide where you want your point on to be.  In my case, I decided 25 yards, and you experiment until you determine where you should hold the string in order to achieve that point on.  My string looks like this:



I hold the string under the extended lower tied-on nock, and my point on is 25 yards.  If I want to shoot 50 yard shots, I hold the string right under the arrow nock instead, and I get a 50 yard point on.  I extend the tied on nock, rather than put a separate indicator for the 25 yard point on, because having a separate tied on indicator feels awkward when I want to hold the string under the arrow nock for longer shots.  For distances from 15-30 yards, I place the arrow point slightly under or over point on, holding the string under the extended lower tied on nock.  At 35 yards and above, I hold the string right under the arrow nock, and place the arrow point slightly under or over depending on the distance. Personally, I wouldn't take a hunting shot over 25 yards, but I like to practice at longer distances.

The problem with this is that it is not allowed for 3D competitions, so it is only useful for hunting.  For 3D competitions, I always hold under the arrow nock, but I gap off the top of the strike plate. Normally, the top of my stock strike plate is about a 25 yard point on.  If it isn't, you can either trim it or use whatever point on it turns out to be.  1” is allowed over the top of the arrow on the strike plate without violating most tournament rules.  For distances beyond 30 yards, I gap off the arrow point rather than off the strike plate.

Of course, you can either shoot longer arrows or heavier arrows, but this reduces bow performance, which I don't like, so I don't do that.
« Last Edit: December 21, 2019, 09:46:15 PM by McDave »
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Re: Gap shooters
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2019, 10:09:52 PM »
I have heard a bit about the fixed crawl, and that's very intriguing to me.

My only concern is that I dont have nor do I want an ILF bow. Looking at a Black Widow or another Tall Tines recurve and I'd want it to tune well of course.

I am first and foremost a bowhunter, the 3d shoots I do go to are just for fun anyway.
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Re: Gap shooters
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2019, 10:29:20 PM »
You should really read the article by Jason Westbrock in the Dec-Jan 2020 Traditional Bowhunter.  It really opened my eyes.  The string you see in my photo is on a BW ASA-X, which is like a PSA except is their 60th anniversary edition.  What Jason does is to tune the bow while shooting at the fixed crawl grip.  I wasn't even going to use my ASA for hunting, because it is so beautiful, until I saw how perfectly it tuned at the fixed crawl grip.  The bare shafts center perfectly out to 30 yards, with .500 spine Victory VAP's and 200 grains up front.  I can't NOT hunt with this bow as well as it tunes with the fixed crawl grip!  I'll just have to try hard not to scratch it too much in the field.
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Re: Gap shooters
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2019, 10:33:37 PM »
First:  These single-string bows aren't as touchy as a lot of folks think.  Feathers can cover a lot of tuning ills. I've been shooting a 20 yard crawl on my hunting bow for several years and it's deadly poison.  On all distances to 25 yards, the broadhead is on the kill zone of deer-sized critters.  Close, I put the broadhead on the heart; at 25 yards the broadhead is on the top of the lungs; end result is a beautiful bloodtrail.  :)

So... you can use longer arrows, raise your anchor, use a fixed crawl, use a heavier arrow, or raise your nocking point.  Yes, you can raise your nocking point and broadheads will fly fine--to a point.  There is a place where it can get extreme, but you'll be surprised how much you can get away with.

You might find this video interesting and informative too:

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Re: Gap shooters
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2019, 10:42:59 PM »
My only issue with fixed crawl is that you need to shoot 3 under. I tried 3U and don't feel comfortable with it.
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Re: Gap shooters
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2019, 10:50:50 PM »
Jim, it seems to me that the shooter in the video is really using a fixed crawl.  He is raising his upper nock point without raising his lower nock point.  If he is still gripping under the lower nock point (and hopefully his arrow nock is not slipping down when he releases the shot) then he has a gap between his grip and the arrow nock, which is essentially a fixed crawl.
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Re: Gap shooters
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2019, 10:52:18 PM »
Oh... and similar to Dave, here's my 20 yard crawl. 

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Re: Gap shooters
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2019, 11:11:18 PM »
Dave,

No, he raised both.  You may not be familiar with Dewayne Martin.  He is probably in the top 10 barebow shooters in the country.  He was the barebow shooter on the 2017 USA 3-D team that won the gold medal in Robion France.

Edit:  ... and he was in the final four at the Lancaster Classic in 2017 and 2018.

« Last Edit: December 21, 2019, 11:31:02 PM by Jim Casto Jr »

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Re: Gap shooters
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2019, 11:25:44 PM »
Sorry, it appeared in the video that he wasn’t adjusting the lower nock point, but that evidently wasn’t the case.
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Re: Gap shooters
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2019, 05:37:19 PM »
Wow, cool targets!
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Re: Gap shooters
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2020, 01:47:07 PM »
Did I miss it or did someone already mention The Push video and podcast?  They go into exhaustive detail about how and why they do fixed crawl.


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