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Re: Gapping at the bow
« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2018, 11:13:27 PM »
The OP was reffing to hunting shots.  Many of these mechanical sighting tricks get a bit cumbersome in many hunting situations.  Personally, I think the crawl or string walking should include open sights in a separate category at 3d shoots, perhaps minus the peep sight.  If it is going to get all static and mechanical anyway, why not have bow sights for static 3d target shooting? 
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Re: Gapping at the bow
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2018, 01:49:38 AM »
McDave is spot on.  Following the rules is following the rules, period.  I'd like to see how tsps version would go over at the Lancaster classic or any other competition.  I don't know anyone competing to win that doesn't aim.  Sorry to break it to you tsp, but the winners all aim to win and yep, that means gapping off the arrow, gapping at the bow, or utilizing some other visual reference to get their arrow on target.
Any time I compete i do whatever it takes within the rules to win.  Finding what works for me and moving my shooting to the next level is my goal. If you do less, don't kid yourself, you're not competing.
Tsp--- the point of this thread was to share a technique that can be utilized, as McDave said, with stock equipment that meets the parameters of the rules.  If you're not interested, there are a few thousand other posts.

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Re: Gapping at the bow
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2018, 11:24:06 AM »
I cleaned up this thread a little.

Please keep it that way.

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Re: Gapping at the bow
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2018, 11:28:29 AM »
Thank you sir.

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Re: Gapping at the bow
« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2018, 12:47:35 PM »
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Re: Gapping at the bow
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2018, 10:37:42 AM »
Last three shots of the morning.  The bareshaft shows that the bow likes the lower nock height.  The sideplate reference seems to be ingraining the sight picture and I'm hoping it will help me find, as Pavan said a more fluid, less mechanical shot sequence.

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« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2018, 01:06:10 PM »
I shot at the club quite a while this morning using your method.  I trimmed the strike plate until I was getting a 20 yard point on with the top of the strike plate.  This put the top of the strike plate at 5/8” above the top of the arrow.  This will vary among shooters, depending on anchor, facial structure, etc.  I thought at first I would have to hold the bow dead vertical, but found that slight cants of 0-10 degrees really didn’t affect the POI that much (I’m sure they would if you were shooting Vegas, but not enough to throw me out of the 10 ring at 20-25 yards).

I like this method better than any other method I’ve tried for adjusting the POI using gap.  The beauty of it is that I can switch back and forth between using it and using my old method without changing anything.  So if I get into a situation where low light or something makes it difficult to use the strike plate, I can shoot the same shot with the same setup instinctively or by gapping off the point simply by ignoring the strike plate.  My normal point on is 45 yards, so shooting from 40 yards on out, I just ignore the strike plate and use the point of the arrow to gap.  This gives me two reliable point on distances that I can choose from without changing anything.

I had to get used to two things.  First, my bows are all set up so the arrow goes where i’m looking, and the side plate is a little to the right of that, so I just have to make sure I’m focused on the target and the arrow is lined up with the target, with the side plate in my out of focus peripheral vision a little to the right of my flight path.  Second, when I’m making elevation adjustments using the strike plate, they seem backwards to me; they really aren’t, of course, but I had to get used to the fact that when you’re looking through a lower point on the side plate, that means you’re going to hit higher, and vice versa.  Probably just my own mind playing tricks on me.

I definitely would prefer this method for hunting.  If I can make any mistakes, you can depend on it that I will when I’m trying to focus on a live animal instead of a target.  For example, the first time I drew down on a deer after I switched from split to three under, I shot over the back of the deer because I instinctively grabbed the string split.  With this method, the only mistake I could make is to do something different than I’m used to.  If I forget to gap off the strike plate, it’s because I’m shooting instinctively or gapping off the point, which should at least give me the same accuracy I had before, pitiful though it may be.
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Re: Gapping at the bow
« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2018, 11:04:14 AM »
I had a chance to use this method out of my deer stand yesterday and it put me on target very well.  I shot at some spots in the grass along the dam of our pond at last light and was amazed at how by just looking at the spot the arrow would be there.  I have not been at this very long, but it is already getting to be second nature to quickly reference my elevation and then focus all attention on the spot I want to hit.  As I hunt with a 56" PIKA it is quite a bit nicer to not have 34" arrows jutting out of my bow quiver.

I should also mention that in addition to Jimmy Blackmon's video Reddoge's description and drawing of gapping at the bow was helpful in moving me in this direction.

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Re: Gapping at the bow
« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2018, 04:47:37 PM »
Just watched Jimmy Blackmons video you suggested.

That is slick as heck.

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Re: Gapping at the bow
« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2018, 04:52:06 PM »
Thanks Roy.  Some risers have contrasting laminations tha you can reference also.  I think this will transition me more toward an " instinctive" shot process--- just burn a hole in the target.  I like the idea of not referencing the tip of the arrow.
Hope it works for you.

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« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2018, 06:51:07 PM »
Just remember, guys, the gaps just give you a reference to get you in the ballpark. I started with them years ago because I got tired of over and undershooting 3-d targets. I draw and look at the gap to get me in the ballpark then concentrate on what I want to hit. When it looks good, off it goes.
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