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Author Topic: Shooting at 40 yards  (Read 475 times)

Offline JasonV

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Re: Shooting at 40 yards
« Reply #50 on: April 27, 2006, 07:09:00 PM »
COMMON GROUND!!!!!!

Absolutely agree without reservation!

Question the ethics of the shot, be open to the explanation, and then draw your conclusions.  But be careful not to confuse poor judgement with bad ethics....
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Re: Shooting at 40 yards
« Reply #51 on: April 27, 2006, 07:35:00 PM »
Oh, and for the record, not really sure how Clint would feel about the 100yd shots, though I would guess we have similar opinions  :D    
(common mistake)

Of course, sometimes he uses that Cop-logic and leaves me completely cornfuzed  :confused:
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Re: Shooting at 40 yards
« Reply #52 on: April 27, 2006, 09:01:00 PM »
Excellent post Roger, wish I had said it so succinctly...
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Re: Shooting at 40 yards
« Reply #53 on: April 27, 2006, 09:48:00 PM »
I agree Roger, well said.

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Re: Shooting at 40 yards
« Reply #54 on: April 28, 2006, 09:27:00 AM »
Speaking of 40 yards...I just went out back and paced off about 40 yards in a field, and then in a thick section of swamp....what a difference.

It makes me think that our distance limitations may be regionally affected, as well. I can't imagine taking a 40 yard shot in a Michigan swamp. I suppose if I lived on the prairies all my life, 40 yards wouldn't look quite as far.
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Offline JasonV

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Re: Shooting at 40 yards
« Reply #55 on: April 28, 2006, 10:27:00 AM »
I grew up hunting the swamps of Michigan Roger - I know exactly what you mean - there were some spots that 40 yds with a rifle would've been tough - but I sure do miss it......
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Re: Shooting at 40 yards
« Reply #56 on: April 28, 2006, 10:38:00 AM »
I made my farthest gun kill on a deer last fall. She was in an open field. I was using a scoped 870 12 gauge. It looked like a loooong way...I paced it off at 35 yards ;0)

Almost every bow kill I have ever made was 10 yards or less. I hunt a couple spots when you cannot see past 10 yards...last fall I had a good buck within 15 yards that I had no chance at. Just too thick. I like it though, I'm never forced to make an ethics decision!   :bigsmyl:
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Re: Shooting at 40 yards
« Reply #57 on: April 28, 2006, 11:36:00 AM »
Yeah, we've got a lot of open stuff over here.  It's frustrating to be able to watch a deer at 400 yards, knowing you're not even in his stomping grounds cuz, he's just fringin.  My longest gun kill was 120ish yards.  I doubt I'll ever take another shot on an animal with my bow as my longest longbow kill.  A T-storm moved in and washed out anykind of a trail I had to follow before I could find her.  I found her too late and she'd only travelled about 35 yards through waist high crp grass.  But, rain does terrible things to tracking and CRP can be thick.  Now, if it looks like a storm is moving in, I don't hunt.  But, just like shooting over 40 yards, 30 yards or 80 yards, I'm not going to say its unethical or improper for another to hunt in the rain.  I just know that I had bad results with it and won't do it again.  I know a lot of folks are being successful in those conditions.  That's their call.

Did I say that so as to make sense this time?    :knothead:

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Re: Shooting at 40 yards
« Reply #58 on: April 28, 2006, 12:38:00 PM »
LostHawg...you mention difficulty trailing a deer in the thick stuff 35 yards...Yep. Thats one of the things I DON'T like about these swamps, after the shot, once the deer bolts, usually you can't follow thier line of travel very well. I have had short, 60 yard bloodtrails that take an hour...
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Re: Shooting at 40 yards
« Reply #59 on: April 28, 2006, 02:45:00 PM »
Perfect sense Tracy   :D
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Re: Shooting at 40 yards
« Reply #60 on: May 04, 2006, 12:52:00 AM »
I had never shot beyound 35 yd. until I went to a Michigan shoot last week. They had a buffalo 3D target at 55yd for a novelty target. I paid my dollar for three shots as a donation. Trying to visulize the arrow trajetory I raised the bow and let loose. My first arrow struck the target about 3 in above the heart. I got so excited I gave them another 4 bucks just to see if I could do it again. I missed the target twice out of the 15 shots I took. But, none as good as the first shot. About half of the shots were in the kill zone and the rest were in the front shoulder. The wind was blowing towards the front shoulder and perhaps that had something to do with it. It did teach me one thing-- don't shoot beyound your ability at live game. For me about 25yds.

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Re: Shooting at 40 yards
« Reply #61 on: May 04, 2006, 08:10:00 AM »
One Trad shoot I went to had a Buffalo out there like that. I could see it walking up the trail then I saw the stake you were suppose to shoot from, I thought it was a joke or something. I had no idea how to hold on a shot that long. I lucked out and stuck it right by the elbow low. I shot again just for the heck of it and stuck it in the top of the back.

I've never scored well at a trad shoot. I always aim for where I would really shoot a live animal, which is right at the level of the elbow and an 1" to the right of it.

Why aren't the score rings there? The 10-12 ring is not where most bow hunters would shoot, why is that?

Any ways I score high in my mind cause my arrows usuall hit "my kill zone"
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Offline Ray Hammond

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Re: Shooting at 40 yards
« Reply #62 on: May 04, 2006, 04:10:00 PM »
So it's OK to turn a bow into a black powder rifle? I don't get it. I agree completely - using this form of practice on targets is fun, builds great technique, and will really exhibit any flaw you have in your setup..but for actual hunting?- I don't know...just because you CAN do a thing doesn't always mean you SHOULD.

We choose to hinder our ability to kill a game animal and VOLUNTARILY select a SHORT range weapon -then we want to turn around and try to figure out every way possible to make it into a long range weapon. Hmmmmmm, something there just doesn't make good sense to me.(voluntarily is the operative word here, I think)

Why select the bow at all for hunting if your goal is to AVOID the very things that the style of hunting that weapon dictates - because you either lack the skill or lack the ambition to gain the skill - and you are not hunting for subsistence purposes, either?

buffalo jumps make sense, as an example- from a native or subsistence hunter point of view-  they're trying to EAT- that was a lot better way(and less likely way to get killed) to do it than getting on a horse and sidling up next to a 2000 lb rocket of muscle and bone and shooting an arrow into it! - why use a bow if your intention is to shoot game at 100 yards in this day and age, when we aren't using a bow because we HAVE to, but because we CHOOSE to?

This really shouldn't be argued from an ethics perspective ....I think Roger and Joe may have alluded to a lot of my points in this a couple pages up...and we aren't even bringing up the technical issues here, such as the compound guys you are talking about with their lighter weight arrows at 100 yards- what kind of momentum/retained energy do those things have at 100 yards...against the ribs of a MOOSE, for example????

And please don't bring up that old story about how Howard Hill used to take 100 yard shots at game...we used to do a lot of stuff we don't do any more..I like to think its because in most cases we figured out a better way to go. I've been at a great many 3 D shoots in my time- I bet I haven't met more than 3 or 4 people who could shoot as well as HH at 40 yards and under...but at 100 yards? And none of the ones I met who COULD- would ever take a 100 yard shot at an animal cause they are BOWHUNTERS!
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Re: Shooting at 40 yards
« Reply #63 on: May 05, 2006, 07:21:00 PM »
Well this thread needs some lighting up!!LOL So here is a pic of a 40 yard group my boy said we needed a pic of cause "dad did good" man kids crack me up.

 

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Re: Shooting at 40 yards
« Reply #64 on: May 05, 2006, 08:32:00 PM »
Nice group and a good looking young man! Congrats on both!
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