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Offline m laughlin

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instictive shooting
« on: January 21, 2006, 09:08:00 PM »
if a person shoots ten differant bows of differant wght every day can he actually shoot instinctive? seems to me it would be difficult. can you guys do it? even if its just two. lets say one @52# and one at @70#.can your mind actually handle it? i'm just curious but everything i shoot is right at about the same # but i actually want to try something a little less but actually wonder if i would have problems. thanks for the input.
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Re: instictive shooting
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2006, 09:20:00 PM »
I'll venture to say, shooting a lighter one will improve your accuracy; when you go back to your regular weight/bow. I like to work on form with the lighter one.
Two or three shots with the heavier bow and you shoot high but then settle in and shoot tighter, I'll bet...
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Re: instictive shooting
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2006, 09:33:00 PM »
instinctive might be a suggestion in spelling.
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Re: instictive shooting
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2006, 10:52:00 PM »
If you practice enough, no reason you can't.

No different then picking up one of 7 different bass fishing rods of different lengths, actions, and lure weights.....or shooting multiple shot guns and loads at clays.

Just takes a lot more practice to master each bow's characteristics and trajectory.
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Re: instictive shooting
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2006, 11:17:00 PM »
For me there is always an adjustment period.  I'm sure it is a personal thing.  That's why I tend to have very few bows, like 1 or 2!

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Re: instictive shooting
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2006, 11:21:00 PM »
BTW, you can weigh you arrows accordingly, get real close to the same FPS and take the trajectory out of the equation.

I usually take a few shots with my selfbow when I'm in the mood to take it.
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Re: instictive shooting
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2006, 11:44:00 PM »
I agree with Terry and Woodduck. I shoot 2 or 3 bows almost daily. I feel like after warming up / working form that going to a heavier draw weight helps strength training. As Terry said you adjust arrow weight accordingly to keep the trajectory close....Chuck
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Re: instictive shooting
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2006, 08:26:00 AM »
Changing bows always required several days for me to get comfortable. Close up it didn't matter much at but 20 to 30 yards I seldom shot as well.It made little difference if the bow was the same weight and draw as my regular bow.It similar to a pair of new shoes, just take a little time to settle in.

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Re: instictive shooting
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2006, 09:23:00 AM »
The distance between my hand and the arrow plays a bigger role in causing trouble for me.  It's tuff adjusting from a bow that the arrow sits right on my hand to one the arrow sits an inch above my hand....

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Re: instictive shooting
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2006, 10:14:00 AM »
"if a person shoots ten differant bows of differant wght every day can he actually shoot instinctive?"

Ofcourse he can and he can woeght the arrows to get the same fps like Terry suggested to help take the trajectory out of the picture....The ??? should be can he reach his/her full potential?? IMO the answer is NO.Sure he/she can get plenty good enough given enough time but I,d suggest picking a style of bow that fits you best and esstablish a strong foundation of good form/shooting....with that esstablished changeing bows on occasion will only require a few shots to be plenty good enough for hunting....without a good foundation....it can be done but ya better have lots of time.Good luck!!
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Re: instictive shooting
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2006, 12:17:00 PM »
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The ??? should be can he reach his/her full potential?? IMO the answer is NO.
If a person can only shoot one bow....has he reached his full potential?

Just a thought........but in my opinion, no.  Same if a person only has one shot.
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Re: instictive shooting
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2006, 01:21:00 PM »
thanks guys. i'm still listening. it would be awful hard to only own one. i've got the bow bug since coming here.
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Re: instictive shooting
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2006, 04:51:00 PM »
The question is ,"Can he shoot instinctive with different bows". Yes  he sure can but can one group as well. I don't think so until he has acclimated his self to the change.Any small change is a big change to a true instinctive shooter from what my experinces has shown me.It plays with the mind when something doesn't feel right, even if the trajectory is identical. If you use some aiming device it is a different matter. ....It also depends on ones definition of what instinctive really means.   I follow the previous statement that full potential will not be reached this way.This is the down side.  :(

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Re: instictive shooting
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2006, 06:30:00 PM »
Yes, you can.  I'm a "concentrate on the mark" shooter.  I've bare shaft tuned and chronographed all my bows.  I get them shooting within 3 fps of each other no matter what the weight is.  It's not that hard.  You can add a cat whisker here, take a strand from the string there, add a heavier point here, use a lighter shaft there.   Just be sure to write everything down someplace.  Anyway, I maintain the same sight picture from my 35# to 65# bows, and never have to spend a few days or weeks to compensate.  It works for me out to about 30 to 35 yards very well.

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Re: instictive shooting
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2006, 07:47:00 PM »
I'm with Terry and Jim on this one. I'll take a break from my favorite Morrison and shoot one of my longbows for a couple of days. Seems like it only takes an arrow or three at most before I'm pretty close to where I want to be.

I'll go so far to say that I feel that shooting different bows on a regular basis, in addition to a lot of time with you favorite, will actually make you a better shot. My first few years of shooting trad, as my accuracy really began to improve, I was deathly afraid I would "lose" my shot or degrade my accuracy by owning and shooting other bows. It's difficult to explain but....shooting other bows has helped me discover more about knowing each nuance of my shot intimately. It also has built my confidence in my shot, knowing that no matter what bow I pick up, with very little alteration to my shot, I can be very accurate at hunting ranges...then go back to my favorite and within a few shots be 100% confident that I have lost nothing.
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Re: instictive shooting
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2006, 08:36:00 PM »
Listen to Joe.  He's a purty good shot and he has very good "end stinks"    :knothead:
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Re: instictive shooting
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2006, 07:05:00 AM »
"If a person can only shoot one bow....has he reached his full potential?

Just a thought........but in my opinion, no. Same if a person only has one shot."

Gotta agree with ya on this one Terry......shooting only 1 bow still requires a person to work on their shooting in order to reach their full potential....I just think it would be a simpler task to do with out making changes on a regular basis.

Lets throw in a bigger problem LOL I tend to switch arrows for bunny huntin not wanting to loose my carbons.....I,m startin ta think thats a mistake because switch arrows can be worse than switchin bows.......than spring time comes along and it really mess,s with my "instinctive" shootin cause carp ain,t where ya see them and the arrows wiegh a ton LOL

I still think it,s best to have a solid foundation of good form and thats easest to do by not changeing anything till ya get it right...and then go back to it regularly between stumpin,huntin or whatever for positive reinforcement
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Re: instictive shooting
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2006, 08:45:00 AM »
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Originally posted by swampbuck:
I still think it,s best to have a solid foundation of good form and thats easest to do by not changeing anything till ya get it right...
I don't see where anyone said anything to elude to anything different.....once you get it down, elevate it     :D
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Re: instictive shooting
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2006, 12:49:00 PM »
I shoot four different bows on a regular basis. The first couple off arrows are either high or low depending on which bow im shooting, but it staightens right out.

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Re: instictive shooting
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2006, 09:12:00 PM »
I say that if your form and the arrow speed is the same it should not be a difference.
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