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build along - ultimate wooden bow
« on: March 11, 2005, 12:05:00 AM »
Hey TG folks, this build along is from the following thread started by the Ferret: "Designing the ultimate wooden bow"

 http://tradgang.com//noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=018017

I take no credit for the design, only following directions. Also, since this is a consensus design, I'm asking for continued group input on the building. Here is the roughed out bow;
 

 

 

 

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Re: build along - ultimate wooden bow
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2005, 12:12:00 AM »
Look at those rings!!!  The stave I'm working on has double that amount.  Wish I could offer more help, but I'm workin on my first one.

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Re: build along - ultimate wooden bow
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2005, 12:24:00 AM »
The criteria "YOU ARE BUILDING FOR YOURSELF, THE ONLY BOW YOU WILL HAVE TO HUNT WITH FOR THE NEXT 5 YEARS" (all shooting all weather)
Here's the design consensus from that thread:

(1) Material = osage
(2) ntn length = 64"
(3) handle design = rigid
(4) handle legth = 4"
(5) fade length = 1 1/2"
(6) limb design = full width 1/3 working limb tapered to the 1/2" tips
(7) limb width at fade 1 3/8"
(8) limb length = even
(9) belly type = slightly rounded
(10) backing = none
(11) rest = glued up leather
(12) overlays = yes, bone/antler
(13) profile = straight
(14) finish = True-oil
(15) handle convering = leather
(16) string = Flemish twist B-50 or FF (50/50)

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Re: build along - ultimate wooden bow
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2005, 12:31:00 AM »
So, first question for consensus; If we are aiming for a "straight" profile, should I induce a couple inches of backset and undo the propeller twist at this point to end up straight after tiller and shoot in?

clintoppher, I picked a decent piece of osage - 6 rings / inch using the theory that this is the one bow for the next 5 years (even though it will not be). This stave was about half dead in the standing tree and was near the center of a large stave that yeilded two bow blanks above it - seems dry enough to start working.

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Re: build along - ultimate wooden bow
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2005, 12:46:00 AM »
Oh yeah, I will be watching this thread continuously!!! I will have to agree with Clintopher... dang nice lookin' rings  :thumbsup:  

Very cool idea to build this "ultimate bow". Should really be awesome.

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Re: build along - ultimate wooden bow
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2005, 12:48:00 AM »
Gotta agree.  Those rings are tempting... even for a hack like me!    :)  

Good luck with this one.  Can't wait to see how it turns out.

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Re: build along - ultimate wooden bow
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2005, 06:13:00 AM »
I belive refex before you start is what you will want for the flat bow finished. imo

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Re: build along - ultimate wooden bow
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2005, 07:32:00 AM »
Shaun if you have a caul available, once you get the bow to where the limbs are bending some at floor tiller (limbs about 5/8" thick mid limb), induce about 2 1/2" of reflex at the tips graduating from the fade to the tip.

  http://groups.msn.com/ferretsarcherywebpage/inducingreflex.msnw  

When you pull it off the caul it will retain about 1 3/4" of that. After tillering you should be flat to 1/2" reflex.

I too will be following this one..should be cool!
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Re: build along - ultimate wooden bow
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2005, 08:30:00 AM »
I agree with Mickey.  Always make your corrections at the front end.  Tiller's more true that way.
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Re: build along - ultimate wooden bow
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2005, 08:31:00 AM »
That is a clean piece of bodark.  Are you sure it's to one ring on the back?  I see stuff in one pic that looks like rings, right by your thumb and two more down it's lenght.

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Re: build along - ultimate wooden bow
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2005, 10:04:00 AM »
Nice stave Shaun   :thumbsup:  oughta make a great bow.
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Re: build along - ultimate wooden bow
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2005, 10:30:00 AM »
DCM, not sure about one ring yet. I roughed this out with draw knife and will go back with bright light and slow approach to get clean back ring. Wanted to do final demention lay out and some reduction as well.


Mickey, I'll make and use a caul. Thanks for the link to your web page on adding reflex and I think I will pick up a set of those big lights showing in the background - looks like a big help in seeing ring chase clearly (may have to wear sunglasses).

Keeping the back and ends sealed with shellac to try to prevent checking as we go.

Thanks all for keeping track and helping, may have a few more helpers when the TX Sweaters come back to their puters.

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Re: build along - ultimate wooden bow
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2005, 10:45:00 AM »
She's definitely not to one ring.  Here's a site I did that I hope shows you how to chase a ring.   Roughing out a selfbow  

I see at least 3 rings on top of your desired one now.

Have fun, I know I will  :)
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Re: build along - ultimate wooden bow
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2005, 12:02:00 PM »
I was going to say I didn't think it was one ring.
This will be a cool thread
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Re: build along - ultimate wooden bow
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2005, 02:02:00 PM »
Definitely reflex and straighten.  That piece deserves it.
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Re: build along - ultimate wooden bow
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2005, 03:05:00 PM »
very nice! Kevin you are one dang good photographer!!! looked at your album, I too used to do wildlife, and you are good! ASHSTYK

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Re: build along - ultimate wooden bow
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2005, 04:50:00 PM »
Awww shucks ashstyk.... you are making me blush  :D  

Thanks!
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Re: build along - ultimate wooden bow
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2005, 05:11:00 PM »
do all the above, cull with heat and oil. take all the prop out of it. But first find that ring! should be easy with those rings. If you want to go with simplicity, scrap the overlays. Don't need them, will just add mass to the tips. and could fail in the long run. K.I.S.Bowman! Will Be Watching.

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Re: build along - ultimate wooden bow
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2005, 11:12:00 PM »
Friday night update; laid out and cut closer to finished dementions in preparation for chasing the top ring.

 

Followed suggestion for beginners on John Scrifes web site to pencil around the chosen ring, I made my line on the early growth above the finish ring.

 

Finished chasing the ring, went well with new lights and taking my time and cheater line around the edge to help guide me. Still some propeller and a slight dogleg near the hadle on one side.

 

Worked on straightening twists and turns, shellac on the back (and fades end grain) and then laid out final dementions again. Use a rasp to take it down to the demention lines and get it approx 5/8" thick. Build and then bent to a caul with 2 1/2" backset.

 

That's all for this evening folks, tune in tomorrow for the continuing saga of the consensus built ultimate bow...

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Re: build along - ultimate wooden bow
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2005, 11:32:00 PM »
I can't believe you people tell him to use a heat gun on that straight wood.
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