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Bow arm
« on: December 29, 2017, 07:02:00 PM »
I've noticed that if I miss it is because my bow arm is moving to the left when I try to push pull through the shot. When I miss the bow arm is almost perpendicular to more torso in a very unnatural position.   Are there any drills that I could use to help get a stronger bow arm?

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Re: Bow arm
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2017, 08:53:00 PM »
Really need to see what you are describing.  In the system I teach, the  bow arm and shoulder is static.  Arm acting like a bone 2X4 just bracing the bow "out there."

IF you are trying to push the bow arm and shoulder out towards the target, you are totally destabilizing that entire side.

Not sure what you mean by perpendicular to the torso.  Need to see.

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Re: Bow arm
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2017, 10:19:00 PM »
My only ever "official" archery coach (in college) taught us to rotate the bow arm elbow parallel to the ground when shooting.  VERY unnatural.

But it makes a difference.

He reinforced this by jabbing us in the upper arm with an arrow point if we dropped our elbow!
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Re: Bow arm
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2017, 11:54:00 PM »
Moebow what you described is what is happening.  Not very often but when I'm tired this is what my shot turns to.  I hear a strong bow arm hides many flaws.

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Re: Bow arm
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2017, 11:36:00 AM »
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Originally posted by moebow:
Really need to see what you are describing.  In the system I teach, the  bow arm and shoulder is static.  Arm acting like a bone 2X4 just bracing the bow "out there."

IF you are trying to push the bow arm and shoulder out towards the target, you are totally destabilizing that entire side.

Not sure what you mean by perpendicular to the torso.  Need to see.

Arne
Arne,

I think it would be helpful if you would expand your comments above.  In other discussions on triggering a clicker, you have noted that it is not the rearward movement of the string arm that should trigger the clicker, but the forward movement of the bow arm.  I believe you distinguish between forward movement of the bow arm resulting from “pushing the bow arm and shoulder out toward the target,” and forward movement of the bow arm resulting from expansion.  So while the bow arm shoulder may be like a “bone 2X4 just bracing the bow ‘out there’,” it is a 2X4 that is evidently being moved forward during the expansion phase by something.  That “something,” if it is not a push toward the target, is what I would like a little more explanation of, so I can make a clear distinction between expansion and pushing the bow arm.

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Re: Bow arm
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2017, 12:54:00 PM »
Good question!!  In the NTS, the bow arm and shoulder gets PUSHED by the movement of the string side shoulder.  It is not anything done on the bow side.  Again, one of those things that is easy to show and hard to describe.  But the bottom line is that the shoulder on the bow side really cannot be extended towards the target by bow side muscle or movement.  Something has to move it towards the target and that is the further movement of the string side scapula.

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Re: Bow arm
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2017, 01:14:00 PM »
Thanks!  Good explanation.
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Re: Bow arm
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2018, 11:54:56 PM »
My hunting partner employs  bow shoulder scapula expansion.
Once he determines that he is winning the battle, he releases.

I have in no way been able to master it. When I am able to employ it effectively, the results are most excellent. My own discipline, to relax, is lacking and Arnie's method is much more personally conducive to faciltate a consistent relaxed shot execution.

He teaches this method in his archery school once certain controls of the shot execution are mastered.

Not all methods are best for every one. Apparently, his is a personal best fit with capturing 5 Traditional World Titles and 16 National titles, all within the last three years.

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