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Offline njloco

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Re: Arrow pulls away from Riser
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2013, 10:03:00 PM »
Oh, did I insult someone, sorry I was just kidding, or am I misunderstanding this whole thing ?
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Re: Arrow pulls away from Riser
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2013, 06:04:00 AM »
Click the link below njloco.  That will explain things a bit more.

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Re: Arrow pulls away from Riser
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2013, 09:15:00 PM »
O.K., now I get it, i'm getting old and things have to be explained  to me more ( Duh ).

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Re: Arrow pulls away from Riser
« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2013, 12:59:00 PM »
Thanks for the great info. One of the kids (12) that I mentor likes to shoot bows but he was having the same problem, the arrow swinging off the shelf to the left. And after watching his drawing hand I was able to see that he was pinching the nock between his fingers and rolling the string to the left as he tightened his grip. By spreading his one over two under fingers a little farther apart and having him get the string a little deeper (first joint groove instead of pads) the problem straightened out. Now I know I did the right thing after reading the expert advice from TG and Ric Oshay. Plus I'll know what to do as I step up in bow weight. I shoot selfbows, osage and hickory, currently at 50#.
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Re: Arrow pulls away from Riser
« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2013, 02:27:00 PM »
With a good deep hook I am able to shoot 60 pounds two fingers under right and left handed...the deep hook is the key
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Re: Arrow pulls away from Riser
« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2013, 10:41:00 PM »
Great newbie pointer, thanks a lot.

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Re: Arrow pulls away from Riser
« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2013, 09:09:00 AM »
Yeah, I remember when matt started that heavy bow forum and it got shut down cause they were bashing TG. Then they started up on another one. And I also heard his *friends* were ratting him out he just kept on trying to register here.

Now I hear these same *friends* claiming he's going to sue TG.

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Re: Arrow pulls away from Riser
« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2013, 05:11:00 PM »
Yes getting a good hook is key as you start to pull, but you have to have a little relaxing of fingers to pull the arrow a little into the riser.  I trained myself to actually roll my fingers in from the knuckles a little more shooting 3 under as I got on the string. As I started the very early part of my draw I then relax the hand a bit for a little more rotation on the string. You have to be careful not to cup your hand when  you draw past the first inch or so.  

I never had an issue that I can recall shooting split due to more finger contact holding the arrow.  The change from split to 3 under started the issue for me.  I also use to be able to shoot reveres cant easily split, but that is much more difficult 3 under.  Most carbons snap on the sting and once on, will rotate on the string easily.  For me it takes a good bit of pressure from the index finger pushing the arrow nock into the top string nock to keep it from rotating.  Even then it can be hard to keep it on the shelf reverse canting.
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Re: Arrow pulls away from Riser
« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2013, 05:51:00 PM »
am I the only one that is confused here ? not confused about the arrow coming off the shelf but ???

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Re: Arrow pulls away from Riser
« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2013, 06:12:00 PM »
ok ; got it ...had to read the date on the posts from M H...GO FIGURE...

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Re: Arrow pulls away from Riser
« Reply #30 on: May 27, 2013, 04:39:00 PM »
I had the same problem when I first started shooting traditionals. Over the time I got tuned up by a few good shooters.

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Re: Arrow pulls away from Riser
« Reply #31 on: June 03, 2013, 09:43:00 PM »
I had this problem a few weeks ago. After shooting for over fifty years I was pulling my hair out trying to find the reason. Turned out that the velcro I was using for shelf material had worn such that it was sloped away from the riser. All I had to do was touch the arrow and it fell off. Drove me nuts until I started thinking out of the box. I replaced it and no more problem.
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Re: Arrow pulls away from Riser
« Reply #32 on: June 22, 2013, 06:18:00 AM »
removed,,, I just realized this was an old thread.
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Re: Arrow pulls away from Riser
« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2013, 07:54:00 PM »
Look at your draw hand palm at your face. Put your finger in the middle of your palm. Tension in this spot is the cause of the arrow pulling away from the shelf. It is that simple. Practice your draw imagining your hand as a dead hook. Fingers must remain loose. Practice up close to the target till you can draw with your whole hand completely relaxed. REMEMBER, IT IS THAT SIMPLE!!!!!!
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Offline Mark Pitts

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Re: Arrow pulls away from Riser
« Reply #34 on: August 26, 2013, 05:09:00 AM »
I was having this problem but only when drawing on an animal, never when just shooting targets.
I figured out what it was recently.
When shooting targets I would place my 3 finger under tab quite precisely on the string, butted up against my bottom nock.
But when in the heat of it drawing down on an animal it seems my hand placement was not so precise, causing my top finger to put pressure on the arrow nock causing it to pull away from the shelf.
I made my bottom a little longer which gives more clearance between finger and nock.
Seems to have done the trick.
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Re: Arrow pulls away from Riser
« Reply #35 on: August 26, 2013, 11:08:00 AM »
I grab the string in a tight fist as I'm bringing the bow up and relax as I'm drawing back. The string rolling toward my fingertips holds the arrow on the shelf. Thanks Terry!
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Re: Arrow pulls away from Riser
« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2013, 10:35:00 PM »
OK, Recent member here so please bear with me. The deep hook you're talking about, do you release from a deep hook. I've been shooting bows, on & off ( mostly off) for going on 50 years. the deep hook, anything past the first joint was WRONG!!!back when I was first learning. Granted I haven't kept up with trends but I was taught to use the finger pads, about where you'd place your finger on a rifle trigger. A deep hook would make it easier to pull a heavy bow, but a release from where I'm understanding this to be would cause accuracy problems. I shoot 50 - 55#, always have.

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Re: Arrow pulls away from Riser
« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2013, 07:15:00 AM »
Triphammer,

You get the best chance at a good release with the string in or very near the first joints of your fingers.  A "deep hook" is NOT how far down the fingers the string is towards your palm but rather how far around the string your finger tips are curled with the string in or near the first joint crease.

A VERY common error is to THINK that the string on the finger tips gives a better release but it DOES NOT!  That causes far too much tension in the hand and arm AND a "pile" of finger skin in front of the string that the string must move around.

There is a lot of discussion about this here on the "Form forum."

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Re: Arrow pulls away from Riser
« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2014, 06:31:00 PM »
If you put your draw hand palm up and make a cup with your hand you will see the spot where all the problem is. The lowest spot. Tension in this spot causes the fingers to curve and the arrow follows the fingers.
R-E-L-A-X the palm and take a deep hook. Let the string rip from your hand when you are on target.
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Re: Arrow pulls away from Riser
« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2014, 10:03:00 AM »
I was having similar issues until I read this thread.  After my first time shooting I kind of got the hint when my fingers were killing me.  The reason for that was I was trying to pull my arrow with the second "pad" of my fingers, with the string resting in my second "indent".  It became glaringly apparent once i took my glove off and kind of had a "well damn" moment when I looked at my glove and realized only that first "pad" is gauntelented.  
Anyhow, point being working on my hook and form with pulling not only greatly improved my comfort (no pain) but also my consistency and the arrow pulling away.  In my second time shooting I was able to pull of a nice, tight group of 6 arrows with mostly just this adjustment.

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