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Offline MSwickard

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Skinning a Wapiti Build Along (Snakeskin Applique & Photos)
« on: March 17, 2005, 02:43:00 AM »
Well, I finally completed my Snakeskin Project on my Wapiti TD.  I still have to do a final satin coat, but need to wait on mother nature warm up into the 60's F.

Anyway here's how I did it

A pair of matched Prairie Rattlesnake skins
   

Next, I sanded each limb with 60 grit paper to roughen up the the surface for better adhesion.
   

Limbs were wiped down with acetone and masking tape was applied to the face of the limbs to keep them clean during the glue up.
   

Before I started the glue up process, I soaked the skin in lukewarm water.  This makes the skin flexible and easier to work with.  I let the skin soak for about 5 minutes.
   

Wipe down the limb with acetone while the skin is soaking in water.  Liberally apply Titebond III glue to the limb.  Remove the skin from the water and remove as much water by sliding the skin between your index finger and thumb.  Then apply skin to the limb and positin the skin.  Start working out the air bubbles and smoothing out the glue.  At this point glue will be working its way from under the skin.  Work from the center outward.  One very important step prior to actual glue up is laying up the skin to the limb.  Determine where and how you want the skin on the limb and make  length cuts to fit the limb. Leave enough overlap.  The overlap will be cut off after the skin dries.
   

Continue working out the air bubbles and smoothing out the skin.  A small roller used for hanging wallpaper works well.  You can also use a piece of arrow shaft. If you have alot of overlap on the sides of the limb, trim it back some with a new razorblade knife. Leave about .25 inches. This will keep the skin from curling. Let the skin set about an hour to dry.  Then take the back of a knife and scrap off as many scales from the skin as you can. It is much easier to do when the skin is still moist. Don't worry about getting them all off now. After the skin dries overnight, you can trim the excess skin flush with the limb with a razorblade.

Take masking tape and apply it to the skin to remove the remaining scales.  Make sure you remove the tape in the same direction that the scales lie. Make sure you get all the scales off the skin.
     

After 36 hours, complete a final close trim of any skin hanging over the limbs edge.  Check for any spots along the edges where the skin may have not taken hold.  Use superglue or Zap a Gap to fix these spots.  Once the skin is secure to the limb, take some 220 grit paper and touch up the edges of the skin.  Wipe down the skin with a damp cloth to remove any residue from the sanding step.  Let the limb dry for 1 hr.
   

Next, take superglue and apply it to the surface of the skin and along the edges of the limb.  To apply, I used a surgical type glove made of nitrile.  The blue ones. Pour a small amount of thin superglue and rub it as smooth as you can onto the skin.  Do two coats and sand with 220 paper after the first coat.  You can apply the second coat after 1 hour.  To do my limbs, it took a little less than one ounce of super fine CA superglue.  Best place to pick it up is in a Hobby store.  I got a 1oz bottle for $5.00.
   

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Re: Skinning a Wapiti Build Along (Snakeskin Applique & Photos)
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2005, 02:46:00 AM »
Part II

Finally, spray the limbs with Varathane Professional Gloss in the black can.  I found mine at Home Depot.  Do about 5-6 coats.  Spray the last one from a distance to reduce the gloss.  After it dries hit it lightly with steel wool or a 600 or finer grit wet/dry paper to take the shine off.

Final Product:

 

 
 

Hope you all enjoyed this and find it helpful.

Mike

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Re: Skinning a Wapiti Build Along (Snakeskin Applique & Photos)
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2005, 03:13:00 AM »
Looks good.  :thumbsup:
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Re: Skinning a Wapiti Build Along (Snakeskin Applique & Photos)
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2005, 06:47:00 AM »
Great write up...thanks!!!
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Re: Skinning a Wapiti Build Along (Snakeskin Applique & Photos)
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2005, 07:36:00 AM »
Best write up yet
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Re: Skinning a Wapiti Build Along (Snakeskin Applique & Photos)
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2005, 09:02:00 AM »
Is the purpose of the CA to fill the irregularities in the skin?  Thanks

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Re: Skinning a Wapiti Build Along (Snakeskin Applique & Photos)
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2005, 02:07:00 PM »
Mike, I skinned a Osage selfbow a few years ago and did just as you did except I did not use the superglue. I finished mine off with Tru-Oil.

I was talking to Frank one day and he asked if my skins were smooth or did it have texture. I knew exactly what he meant because I have a 04 Dakota that Bob Morrison skinned for me. The skin's on that bow look like an underlayer. They are just perfect and super smooth.

My thought is that your superglue step might fill those voids that my selfbow has. Too late I know but am I right? Does the superglue fill the voids with the ending product being something like what Bob Morrison does?

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Re: Skinning a Wapiti Build Along (Snakeskin Applique & Photos)
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2005, 09:27:00 PM »
Mohillbilly & BillW

As for the superglue step I cannot take credit for it.  Before doing this project, I endlessly went thru the archives on Tradgang to see how everyone was doing skins on glass bows.  O.L. Adcock mentioned in a post that he used superglue and finished it with Fullerplast.  

So I contacted O.L. and asked him about the CA.  Basically, it acts as a primer.  Use the thinnest stuff you can get.  It does fill in the voids and gives it the appearence of being under glass.  On my bow, even though I put the same amount on each limb, the top limb has less texture than the bottom limb. I think the bottom skin had more initial scale texture than the top. I though about really filling in the scale area on the skins but didn't want to add anymore material to the limb.  Also, by sanding more between applications of the CA, you can achieve that under glass look.

Even though I have already put varathane on my limbs, I my go back and sand them down to the CA layer and add more.  But then again, the way it is know gives the bow character.

One other thought I had when I first read about using the CA, is that it is the idea stuff to apply to the skin.  CA is used as a quick way to close up a cut.  So applying it to the skin really seals it up. Lastlym, when using the CA, make sure you do it in a well ventilated area.  The vapor is not real eye and nose friendly.

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Mike

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Re: Skinning a Wapiti Build Along (Snakeskin Applique & Photos)
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2005, 09:29:00 PM »
Thanks Guys

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Re: Skinning a Wapiti Build Along (Snakeskin Applique & Photos)
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2005, 09:47:00 PM »
I am super pumped now!!  I just bought the Kodiak from justin newell. and am going to do this on it.  Thanks so much for this. Great article.  It will give me a purpose to killing rattlers on my desert wanderings and bunny bashing trips.

Again Great article and what kinda bow did you hang the skins on?

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Re: Skinning a Wapiti Build Along (Snakeskin Applique & Photos)
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2005, 09:50:00 PM »
This needs to be moved to the HOW TO section...along with the pics. I really want to do my bow when I get back to home station...anybody got any copperhead skins? How about a bull snake? How many coral snakes you think it would take to do a bow???  :D
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Re: Skinning a Wapiti Build Along (Snakeskin Applique & Photos)
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2005, 09:50:00 PM »
RTR Dave

The bow is a Keith Chastain Wapiti Take Down.  It is a 62", 60#@28.  I had this bow built back in 1987, and decide it need a new look.

If you need any info on doing the skins feel free to ask.

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Mike

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Re: Skinning a Wapiti Build Along (Snakeskin Applique & Photos)
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2005, 06:49:00 AM »
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Re: Skinning a Wapiti Build Along (Snakeskin Applique & Photos)
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2005, 07:47:00 AM »
The Superglue that I used I purchased at Hobby Town USA.  It is a Super Thin 1-3 sec glue, Cyanoarcrylate (CA) called Insta-Cure.  It is made in the USA.  Web site is:
 http://www.bsiadhesives.com/Pages/hobby/ca.html

I paided $5.00/1 oz bottle.  For my project, used about .75 oz.

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Mike

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Re: Skinning a Wapiti Build Along (Snakeskin Applique & Photos)
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2005, 08:08:00 AM »
Mike,

  Thank you,I'm going to give this a try the next time I put skins on a bow.
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Re: Skinning a Wapiti Build Along (Snakeskin Applique & Photos)
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2005, 05:29:00 PM »
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Re: Skinning a Wapiti Build Along (Snakeskin Applique & Photos)
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2005, 04:27:00 AM »
That`s a wapiti that rocks.
Where did you get these nice skins from?

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Re: Skinning a Wapiti Build Along (Snakeskin Applique & Photos)
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2005, 09:14:00 AM »
Tecum-tha

Thanks, I also think the skins added to the Wapiti.  Gives it a nice distinct look. Yesterday I was shooting it and laid it down in the yard to pull arrows.  Walking back looked as if I had two rattlers in my yard!

Sent you some info.

Mike

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Re: Skinning a Wapiti Build Along (Snakeskin Applique & Photos)
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2005, 12:30:00 PM »
Mike super job on skinning those limbs. I have never heard of the supe glue step before either. Kind of interesting. Will have to give it a try one of these days. Congrats on a fine job and photo session. Thanks for posting.
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Re: Skinning a Wapiti Build Along (Snakeskin Applique & Photos)
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2005, 01:48:00 PM »
Thanks Mickey!

O.L.'s superglue trick works real well.  The stuff gives a great coating and is durable as well a flexible.  After shooting the bow over 100 shot the limbs so no signs of cracks in the finish.

Thanks again for looking and your input.

Mike

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