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Author Topic: Why am I more accurate with a R/D than a Hill style?  (Read 984 times)

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Why am I more accurate with a R/D than a Hill style?
« on: March 17, 2019, 03:25:59 PM »
Two bows equal weight, one is a Pronghorn one is a Hill, both are tuned to what I would call perfect or near perfect by paper and bare shaft.  I’m extraordinarily more consistent with the Pronghorn and I can’t figure out why, I’d say grip but the Pronghorn is a fairly straight grip as is the Hill.  I know Hills have a style of shooting but is it all that different to account for inconsistency?
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Re: Why am I more accurate with a R/D than a Hill style?
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2019, 03:49:00 PM »
Could be that, could be the arrow. 
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Re: Why am I more accurate with a R/D than a Hill style?
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2019, 04:00:30 PM »
Have to agree, if the Hill is not center shot then arrow spine is more critical.  Same arrows may or may not shoot well from both bows.   :coffee: :thumbsup: :campfire:
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Re: Why am I more accurate with a R/D than a Hill style?
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2019, 04:06:17 PM »
Different arrows for each, both bows tuned separately to
their respective arrows....it’s making me mental sometimes
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Re: Why am I more accurate with a R/D than a Hill style?
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2019, 06:36:22 PM »
I had the same issue. Realized it was the grip. Some guys can shoot that straight grip very well, I an’it one of them. God knows I tried, just didn’t work out.

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Re: Why am I more accurate with a R/D than a Hill style?
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2019, 06:53:55 PM »
Interesting read as I too struggle with consistency with my Hill style Winterhawk Archery bow.  I sure do enjoy shooting it though, so it keeps me practicing.  I do shoot my bows without straight grips better, so maybe for me its a comfort thing.
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Re: Why am I more accurate with a R/D than a Hill style?
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2019, 07:23:03 PM »
I hate to think it’s the grip since the Pronghorn is somewhat close but definitely has a better locator point and is more rounded so feels better and more consistent in my hand overall.  I enjoy shooting the Hill a bunch, especially with cedars but man it’s like some days it’s there and other days it’s more of a struggle. 
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Re: Why am I more accurate with a R/D than a Hill style?
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2019, 07:47:53 PM »
I can't shoot a Hill style for squat, as much as I wanted to and tried several times. The locator type grip of most R/D's suits me a lot better.
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Re: Why am I more accurate with a R/D than a Hill style?
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2019, 07:54:07 PM »
Didnt read anything but the title...  could be the grip of the RD and/or the higher brace hight
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Re: Why am I more accurate with a R/D than a Hill style?
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2019, 07:58:15 PM »
In addition to differences in the grip, it's likely that the Hill is physically lighter than the Pronghorn.  A bow that's very light in the hand, can be harder to hold on target.  Too, the Pronghorn is probably faster than the Hill bow (at the same draw weight).  So that might cause differences in in accuracy.  The draw force curve is also a little different.  The Hill likely builds weight a little faster toward the end of the draw I.e., stacks a bit more.  Any one of these things can account for differences in accuracy.  Put them all together and it can be substantial.

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Re: Why am I more accurate with a R/D than a Hill style?
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2019, 08:09:17 PM »
It could be your hand placement on the grip, A Hill style bow likes to have the grip pressure equally across the palm.  if you lift the heel, the bow can react differently.  The Howard Hill grip, like little bird that you don't want to injure, but you don't want it to get away either, let the bow sink in and find its spot.  Although I find if the bow is settled properly, baring down on the grip,, a bit of white knuckling does not change much, if anything, in the arrow flight. As when shooting a marauding bunny rabbit escaping to the Nederlands.  If it is gripped properly the bow will not torque.   Total arm rigidity.  I use to have a shooting machine, my target bows would blow nocks at twenty yards with the bow vertical, I could then and still can shoot tighter groups by hand than the shooting machine could, shooting with about a 2 o'clock cant.  I find that shooting wood arrows that are no longer than they need to be come out of my non-center shot longbows the cleanest. I am always pleased with how nice net arrow length cedars fly out of my duo shooters.  Of courses, a broad head cannot be net length, but getting as close as possible helps.  My favorite longbows for hunting are 3/8" out from center.left and right.  I think the bent bow arm and Hill bird grip allows the bow to get out of the way of the arrow when the release is made.  It is simple physics, The string drives at the center of the bow, the resistance to motion creates a bend into the bow with non-center shot bows.  That force pushes the bow away from the arrow just a little bit.  I have had videos taken of me shooting, that show that bend into the longbow, whether it is a finger release or a center caliper mechanical release. Allowing that action to take place gives a quicker arrow recovery and thus, more consistent accuracy.   If in doubt go to the John Schulz videos and do exactly as he says and demonstrates.  What he says is every bit, if not more, important than what he shows.  Don't change anything and do not add anything.
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Re: Why am I more accurate with a R/D than a Hill style?
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2019, 10:09:52 PM »
Excellent thoughts and suggestions guys, gotta love it  :campfire:
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Re: Why am I more accurate with a R/D than a Hill style?
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2019, 12:32:32 AM »
My Pronghorn is very easy to shoot as well and I am very pleased with the way it shoots.
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Re: Why am I more accurate with a R/D than a Hill style?
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2019, 11:18:22 PM »
I've had several Pronghorns.  They didn't stick around mostly cause specs were not just right.  But I always thought they were consistent, well mannered shooting bows.....

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Re: Why am I more accurate with a R/D than a Hill style?
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2019, 10:17:24 AM »
Some bows just fit your hand and shooting style better.... After many bows and many years I can shoot about anything. The first 10 years was a struggle and a lot of bow chasing....


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Re: Why am I more accurate with a R/D than a Hill style?
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2019, 01:03:35 PM »
That's for sure.  I tried to shoot my recurve yesterday after a layoff.  I wrestled with it until I gave up and took out my Morningstar.  Every bow has a way that it likes to be shot, when one finds a bow that matches his shooting tendencies that is one to keep.
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Re: Why am I more accurate with a R/D than a Hill style?
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2019, 08:19:57 PM »
It’s probably the grip. I’ve found that I shoot a certain grip type better more so than a bow type.
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Re: Why am I more accurate with a R/D than a Hill style?
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2019, 08:34:01 AM »
I shoot a recurve much better, or at least consistently, than anything but for some reason I just reallllly want to stick with a longbow.
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Re: Why am I more accurate with a R/D than a Hill style?
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2019, 08:50:05 AM »
It seems that my r/d bows within a given range of poundage seem to shoot flatter than my Hill bows of the same draw.
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Re: Why am I more accurate with a R/D than a Hill style?
« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2019, 01:19:55 PM »
As general rule a good R/D has had about a 5 pound advantage over my ASLs. A 50 pound R/D will shoot the same arrow as fast as my 55 pound ASL.  My R/Ds have all been Robertsons, in some cases it was more than that.  However, when shoot at fluid speed, like when being attacked by a charging cottontail from hell, I miss more often with the R/Ds.  Ask yourself this, when under attack and the only things you have is the pocket knife in pants and the stave in your hand to defend yourself from a marauding beast, do you want a tinker toy R/D or a manly 68" thick cored bamboo stave?  Just the other evening a deadly possum was feeding on a split butternut squash that I threw out.  I thought the friendly squirrels would like the seeds, I never thought about a possum.  Lucky for him i was only armed with fear and running shoes.
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