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Offline RGK

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Re: Any updates?
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2008, 01:04:00 PM »
Yes, car kills are down state wide nearly 40%. In the counties I hunt (waupaca and Portage) the car kills are down 57 and 52%. Plain and simple, EAB has worked and the herd is reduced but this is only the begining. We are not to the DNR goal yet.


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Re: Any updates?
« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2008, 11:27:00 AM »
Yes Jim, I fear you're correct with the EAB prediction. When I went to the meeting where the game biologist spoke a week ago he gave us some insight into why they want the deer hammered so badly. The DNR is predicting a rapid decline in hunter numbers over the next 10-15 years, in large part due to the baby boomers getting too old to hunt. The DNR wants to hammer the deer population down now so it doesn't get beyond them in the future and they don't have the hunter numbers to take the deer population down. The gist of that; we suffer now for future population goals. Sorry I don't like it, just selfish I guess.

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« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2008, 05:03:00 PM »
There does'nt seem to be a shortage of kids & adults filling the hunter saftey classes.I too have lost a little faith in the DNR.
 
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« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2008, 03:45:00 PM »
I live and hunt in the CWD zone (Richland Co.), where the deer herd has been hammered for several years. There seem to be fewer deer - but I will wait for the final tally. There were still some hunts where I was surrounded by deer. Perhaps last winter took a toll.

This has been an unusual year for deer activity. The deer seemed to disappear just about the time when activity should have picked up. There is still a bunch of standing corn ????

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Re: Any updates?
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2008, 03:58:00 PM »
I see that the DNR has increased the bear kill tags for next year. Now that we know that the numbers that they had for bear where wrong. It would be a pretty good bet that they might be doing a little back pedaling on the deer numbers also. I have lived and hunted in the same area all my life and in 42 years of deer hunting I have never seen so few deer. That includes my own 175 acres, which I am the only one hunting on it.

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Online Steve D

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Re: Any updates?
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2008, 08:11:00 AM »
I'm not buying all that decline in deer hunters numbers bull from them or any other group pushing there self interest.If they want to throw stats around the actual  LARGEST DECREASE in hunter numbers has been in the small game area,big game (deer etc,)  license sales has actually increased since the mid 70's on!If there is such a shortage of hunters hunt the central forest areas especially the public land hunters everywhere and ton of flagging tape to prove it and other sign, etc. And even if we have a decrease in hunter numbers so what,I would rather share the field with quality hunters than more hunters! Wake up smell the coffee, land base hunting areas are decreasing so hunting numbers in itself to remain viable has to DECREASE!!!  Think about it. Look at all the old outdoor mags when you  saw pics of hunters there didn't seem to be many kids  etc hunting with them in the pictures stories etc and hunting is still with us.

Offline Kevin Bahr

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Re: Any updates?
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2008, 09:46:00 AM »
I don't think the DNR needs to predict a decline in hunter numbers;  if they keep hammering the deer numbers down THEY will be making sure that hunter numbers decline.  
Off the topic, for Kevin Winkler above:  I lived in Gratiot for a few years, ever heard of it?

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« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2008, 04:33:00 PM »
Numbers from the registration stations for opening weekend of the gun season are substantially down. Our editor for the Stump Shooter also writes the sports column for the Tomahawk Leader and he is required to do a report on the opening weekend. His research of area registration stations shows the buck kill down by as much as 50%. This with a perfect weather weekend for hunting in the north with tracking snow. My personal observation as I sat in my stand opening morning was that I heard more gun shots the previous weekend. Very slow. If the DNR sticks with their process for estimating the herd size (it's based on the buck kill during the gun season) it would mean the herd size was only 50% of what they predicted it was. Again my personal opinion from observation over the fall, I think the deer herd numbers are less than 50% of what the DNR thinks.

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Re: Any updates?
« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2008, 04:36:00 PM »
When I say herd size is less than 50% of what the DNR thinks I'm referring to northern Wisconsin where they have way over harvested the resource. I'm sure their excuse will be the past winter but are herd numbers have been this low for at least four years now.

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« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2008, 10:10:00 PM »
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Re: Any updates?
« Reply #30 on: November 29, 2008, 12:12:00 AM »
I live and hunt near Watertown. The only private land that I ever hunt is when a friend invites me over near Dousman. For the most part I concentrate my efforts around the Mud Lake wildlife areas. The past couple years I had figured out a nice little spot but flooding this spring reduced that area to nothing. I have hunted some new areas but overall I haven't seen many deer this year. Started out in the early season seeing some activity but down here on public land deer get spooky fast. I haven't seen a deer on public land in the last month.
  My brothers and I also hunted two four day blocks near Buckhorn State park. Between eight days of hunting the three of us saw 8 deer. Normally, my oldest brother would see that many in a couple days in his favorite spot. The rangers in the park told us while they were seeing deer the numbers seem to be down and the locals we talked to supported this.
   

 I agree that the DNR has done a poor job of managing the herd. If I didn't know better it almost seems like they are trying to drive hunters out. Our state has had a great tradition of hunting but it seems that the current crop of DNR employees care nothing for this. The state can and has supported excellent deer numbers without an undue strain on the environment. I'd like to hear a good reason why the DNR desires such a low herd. It seems to be more politically motivated than anything biologically motivated.

BTW, I went out this afternoon. I probably covered a good square mile of public ground. Walked from the river's edge, around the perimeter of a known bedding area, through some thick swamp, and back along a nice tree line. Cut one deer track the whole time. Pretty discouraging.

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Offline Nate Fikkert

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Re: Any updates?
« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2008, 01:14:00 PM »
Wow,

A lot more responses than I expected.  I have been out of contact a bit with the move, but we are now settled and back online.  I went up north for the gun opener.  Things are definately slow.  I really don't know what to think.  There is sign and tracks around, but nobody sees anything.  Very little shooting as well.  I think the area I typically hunt was down 37% or something from last year.

The pro-DNR side of me says the deer are there, they have just changed their habits extremely.  When I first started hunting in the early nineties, we were definately in the deer "boom" which probably wasn't good.  There is some sense of us WI hunters being spoiled.  But, since then there has been a major shift in recreation, especially in the north.  Back then you saw very few bowhunters, even fewer grouse hunters, and no atv'ers and other recreationist.  Deer experienced very little pressure until right up to the gun opener.  Plus, I saw very few bait piles.  DEER MOVED NATURALLY!  In the years since, everybody went "up north" every weekend, atv trails sprung up everywhere, more bowhunters, more grouse hunters, more bait, etc.  I guess what I am saying is the deer experience way more pressure than they used to from May to December.

The anti-DNR side of me says they are full of it.  There are nowhere near the deer they say there is.  How can I have contact with several groups of good hunters, who hunt different parts of the state and they all say the same thing, NO DEER?, and there be 1.7 million deer in the state.  Why do they want so few deer?  Maybe everybody is losing interest because you can't even go out and see a deer on opening weekend anymore.  I don't expect 20 deer a day, but a deer or two sighted out of 4 guys doesn't seem too much to ask.  This sport is supposed to be hard, that is what keeps us coming back.  However, if there is not a enough action to at least keep the flame flickering, how can anyone stay seriously interested?

I have done a lot of looking on other sites related to this issue.  The consentious is pretty much the same, very few deer and a very poor hunt this year.  It will be interesting to see where deer hunting in WI goes after this year.

Nathan

Offline Kevin Bahr

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Re: Any updates?
« Reply #32 on: December 13, 2008, 11:43:00 AM »
Just talked to my buddy Ron.  He killed a half racked buck on the second saturday of gun season.  It was the ONLY deer he saw the entire gun season.  He said almost everyone he talked to said, "You saw a deer?"

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