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Re: Another great bowhunter presumed dead
« Reply #60 on: October 05, 2004, 10:40:00 PM »
I too saw the Traditional Bowhunter article with Bart and a nice sheep taken with a self bow.I was impressed !Well hopefully Bart, Paul Schafer and Jeff Booth are somewhere hunting together again doing what they love to do.A terrible loss...I'll pray for him.

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Re: Another great bowhunter presumed dead
« Reply #61 on: October 06, 2004, 12:24:00 AM »
This whole situation is pretty profound.  There's a percentage of us who advocate the hardcore-hardhunt-risk taking adventures most people wouldn't dream of, and relish the anticipation, execution, and final rewards those adventures relinquish.  Unfortunately, there is a very small percentage of the risk takers who pay the price of living on the edge, and it looks like Bart got picked on this one.

  There seems to be a lot of sentiment alluding to the fact that if you die doing what you loved to do, then it's all worthwhile.  I don't buy that.  And I doubt that Bart thought,in his final stand, that this was a fitting end to 49 years of earthly toil and termoil.
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Re: Another great bowhunter presumed dead
« Reply #62 on: October 06, 2004, 01:03:00 AM »
Wow! I just got back from elk hunting today and am just floored with this news. Sad, indeed. Bart and I went to college together, and lived on the same dorm floor...he working on his masters, and me a young zoology student. Bart was the only other bowhunter I knew, and we were good friends at the time, though life and distance kept us from staying in touch with each other. I, too, have that video footage of Bart and Paul....some of the most awesome stuff I've ever watched, even in it's rough state.
Bart worked for years with the Interagency Grizzly Bear Study team in Yellowstone while going to school...collaring and tracking grizzlies all over the Yellowstone ecosystem. Then going on to Alaska to do much the same thing before he took on the Siberian Tiger project. If anyone really knew grizzlies, it was Bart. Paul and Bart were indeed a lot alike, although I never knew Paul....just met him a time or two and talked a bit. They both were physically what most of us would want to be....and lived a humble and thankful life. The time I knew Bart, he never drank, cussed, or had a bad word to say about anybody....very humble, almost shy in a lot of ways. Did his masters thesis on "road-kill"....really! Had a dead cat (one of his road-kill specimans) named "sparky breadsacks" (on account of the sacks rubber-banded to his feet) that was our floor maskot. Bart was already an accomplished bowhunter at the time, having taken bighorn sheep among other critters. I think about him often....and now this. My prayers go out to his family, friends and those affected by his loss.
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Offline Lee Viv

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Re: Another great bowhunter presumed dead
« Reply #63 on: October 06, 2004, 10:58:00 AM »
I too saw that video of Paul and Bart's.  What great stuff!!  He, Paul, and Jeff are together again.  I was just on the Schafer Silvertip website, and was reading the tributes to Paul, and they had the pic of those guys with Bart's bear from Kodiak.

We've lost another great person, and prayers go out to family and friends.  I'll think of him, Paul, and Jeff when I in the deer woods this week with my Silvertip in my hand!!

God Bless Bart!

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Re: Another great bowhunter presumed dead
« Reply #64 on: October 06, 2004, 11:00:00 AM »
As a tribute to those gusy, I'm gonna use that Kodiak pic as my computer backdrop!!

Lee  :(

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Re: Another great bowhunter presumed dead
« Reply #65 on: October 06, 2004, 11:06:00 AM »
If anyone's interested, on the Schafer Silvertip website, there's an article written by Bart, about Paul.  It has a picture of Paul, Jeff, and Bart with Bart's grizzly.  It's in the "Tribute to Paul" section, under the title "Bowhunter of Bowhunters".  Check it out at  www.schafersilvertipbows.com

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Re: Another great bowhunter presumed dead
« Reply #66 on: October 06, 2004, 11:36:00 AM »
Mark U--Not exactly sure what you were intending to confer in the last paragraph of your post, but I believe most of us view living one's life in the manner they select, along with accepting the inherent risks, as a life well-spent.  Obviously no one wanted a fellow outdoorsman's life to end this soon and in such a horrific manner, yet cancer, a heart attack, a car accident, or even a random crime could have ended his life without nearly the meaning.

Bush pilots sometimes crash, alpine hunters sometimes slip, horse riders sometimes get flipped or crushed, motorcyclists sometimes abruptly meet the pavement, climbers sometimes fall, etc, etc....... as life is not typically "fair".  The sentiment that has been expressed was not to devalue his existance in any manner, but simply to put a bit of perspective on the matter.  If Bart had worried about such things, he likely would not have been out among grizzleys and especially alone among them.  At times you take an acceptable risk and then deal with the outcome, no matter how harsh.  TL
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Re: Another great bowhunter presumed dead
« Reply #67 on: October 06, 2004, 12:05:00 PM »
Personally, I do think dying doing something you love makes it all worthwhile.  

My wife was almost killed in an accident while training a green horse last Sept.  She will never be able to do more than hobble speed again and lives in almost constant pain....but that horse would have had to kill her to keep her from doing what she loves.  She still works with our horses every day, handicap or not, and I support her 100%. She ain't gonna stop doin what she loves to do just like I wouldn't if injured while hunting.

As one of the characters in Open Range said, "There's lots worse things than dying."  One of them is living my life without doing what I love.
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Re: Another great bowhunter presumed dead
« Reply #68 on: October 07, 2004, 09:55:00 PM »
I just found this thread and it sent chills down my spine.  I just returned from an Idaho bow hunt a couple weeks ago.  While working my way down through a drainage I stumbled into bear at about 35-40yds.  At first it was an exciting moment, but then things got tense when I realized I was looking at a Grizzly.  It got tenser when out of the corner of my eye I see the sows 2 good sized cubs come running up next to her. At that point I wasn't sure if they were aware of my presence, but then the sow turned stood on her back legs and started eyeing me up while making a low gutteral noise.  The cub scenerio had me prepared for the worst. Suddenly the sow dropped and ran diagonally towards me to my left. For a split second I thought this was going to be it, but she just kept going up over a knoll with her cubs in tow.  I immeadiately took of in the opposite direction watching my back for about 20 minutes.  It wasn't until I stopped and thought about what had happened that I realized how ugly it could have got.  This tragedy really hit hard with me when I read about it.
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Re: Another great bowhunter presumed dead
« Reply #69 on: October 07, 2004, 10:06:00 PM »
Man, that's bad news.  Prayers sent.

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Offline Thunder

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Re: Another great bowhunter presumed dead
« Reply #70 on: October 07, 2004, 10:23:00 PM »
I guess I see and understand both sides.  I've been the brunt of a number of griz 'encounters'...I remember vividly each one, and I especially remember vividly thinking 'oh Lord, this is gonna hurt'.  I remember for weeks after thinking about each one of those episodes, and remember that line about 'well, at least he died doing what he loved.......'

I don't think...well, at least for me...it's that I die doing what I love.  Heck, that's a given..it's what happens just before that bothers me.

I'd also like to take my hat off to his friend, that decided the RCMP weren't doing enough and went back in on his own to find this man.  I think that speaks volumes for both men.

This sad story sends a chill down my spine.  I offer up a prayer for him, and for the family/friends he left behind.

God Bless.

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Re: Another great bowhunter presumed dead
« Reply #71 on: October 07, 2004, 10:26:00 PM »
I hate to hear things like this.We've lost another good one.My prayers are sent.
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Re: Another great bowhunter presumed dead
« Reply #72 on: October 07, 2004, 11:10:00 PM »
Prayers sent.  May his family find some peace.

Offline Stealthycat

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Re: Another great bowhunter presumed dead
« Reply #73 on: October 08, 2004, 12:33:00 PM »
Sad I never heard this man's name until now, and after reading what ya'll say about him .......... its kinda like the stories about Paul, those of us not really in the know about the guys who've lived and breathed trad archery for the past 25 years are unknown to us. Its a shame in a way that greatest isn't recognized until after death, isn't it ?

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Re: Another great bowhunter presumed dead
« Reply #74 on: October 08, 2004, 12:50:00 PM »
For every great one that grabs the headlines, there are two or three others in the background that you hardly ever hear about that are just as great and that contribute just as much, if not more, than those we read about.  

Thanks Gene for sharing this bad news with us.  I've been praying for Bart and his family.  And has been said, it is a shame that his life had to end like this and that many of us had not known about him until now.  May God's sufficient grace meet the needs of his family and friends in this hour of need.

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Re: Another great bowhunter presumed dead
« Reply #75 on: October 08, 2004, 03:06:00 PM »
I stand in awe of people who do things like that...and alone yet.  

Thunder has regaled me at several shoots with stories of the great bears... my heart-felt prayers to those left behind.
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Re: Another great bowhunter presumed dead
« Reply #76 on: October 09, 2004, 04:51:00 AM »
Mark U and JC, I don't think anyone was suggesting that his death was worthwhile.  I think the sentiment that people were alluding to is that it is better to die doing what you love than the allternatives.  While I am sure getting killed by a Grizzly is not pleasant, I myself would prefer that to what I have to watch on a daily basis.  I am an RN in a Skilled Nursing Center and have to watch people slowly shrivel up and die for lack of a better description.  It can be quite depressing at times for me.  I can't imagine what is like for them.  No one should ever have to wear a diaper again after they get out of them the first time.  After being a nurse for 6 1/2 years death by just about anything fast starts to look pretty good.  While a bear wouldn't be my first choice I'd rather go fast while I was doing something I love.  Just my thoughts.  Joseph
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Offline Brian Halbleib

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Re: Another great bowhunter presumed dead
« Reply #77 on: October 09, 2004, 09:44:00 AM »
Terrible news. I just got back from Alaska a few weeks ago and the only weapon I took was my longbow...makes you think.

My condolences to his family and friends. I know from how highly some of you speak of him that he will be dearly missed.

-Brian

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Re: Another great bowhunter presumed dead
« Reply #78 on: October 10, 2004, 05:26:00 PM »
Prayers offered for Bart's family and friends.

I often hunt alone, and wonder what would happen if....... but then I remember, when God decides it is my time, no matter where I am, what I'm doing, it is out of my hands and into HIS hands..

Speaking of long wilderness hunts alone in dangerous country, did Monty Browning get back OK from his month long Alaska hunt?

Jeff
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Re: Another great bowhunter presumed dead
« Reply #79 on: October 10, 2004, 05:48:00 PM »
Prayers sent for his family and friends.  Just another reminder to live life to the fullest, and this guy sure sounds like he did.  A good example for us all.

B
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