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Offline razorsharptokill

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650 gr or 600ish?
« on: December 25, 2016, 11:28:00 AM »
I'm shooting 55lbs with 340 FMJs with Zwickey Deltas. If I put a steel insert in the BHs I get around 650. With an aluminium insert they are about 610. I see little difference in POI. the 650s fly around 165 FPS. Kudu will be the largest animal that I will likely take. Thoughts?
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Re: 650 gr or 600ish?
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2016, 02:25:00 AM »
Either will be fine. Shoot whatever you are most confident in.

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Re: 650 gr or 600ish?
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2016, 07:42:00 PM »
Yeah, 50 grains isn't going to make a whole lot of difference. I see very little difference in performance.
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Re: 650 gr or 600ish?
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2016, 01:17:00 AM »
Putting a steel insert in the broadhead instead of a weak aluminium one is a good thing regardless to arrow weight.
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Re: 650 gr or 600ish?
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2016, 08:24:00 AM »
Good point.... see what I did there?   :biglaugh:
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Re: 650 gr or 600ish?
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2017, 04:37:00 PM »
I have killed a bunch of stuff over there. My biggest animal was a 54" kudu, but I have also killed waterbuck, gemsbuck, red hartebeest, and nyala. All with a 50#@my29" draw bow and 550ish grain arrows. I also shoot FMJ's, but I use the brass HIT inserts. You will have no issues killing critters with either setup if you are well tuned and put them in the right place. I would say shoot the one that you shoot best, and have the most confidence in.

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Re: 650 gr or 600ish?
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2017, 12:34:00 PM »
Thank you Bisch. Really looking forward to this trip. The research and preparation are half of the fun!
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Re: 650 gr or 600ish?
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2017, 12:27:00 PM »
How's the trip planning and prep going?
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Re: 650 gr or 600ish?
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2017, 05:54:00 PM »
So far so good. Arrow and broadhead selection made. Shooting often. Saving $. Its a waiting game. Flights booked, just have to wait.... UGH!

Taking a cool action came for documenting the wildlife. Its like a gopro but not the fish eye long distance point of view. I can activate it with my phone and I have a battery pack that will run it for hours in standby mode.

Planning on packing very light on the clothes. Going to take some stuff to give away like candy, coloring books, ..etc.
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Re: 650 gr or 600ish?
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2017, 01:38:00 PM »
Where in Africa will you be hunting?

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Re: 650 gr or 600ish?
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2017, 01:44:00 PM »
Just to elaborate a bit on the thread above. I've lived and hunted in South Africa most of my life  :)  You can take almost anything here with your setup except for "Big Game" like buffalo, etc. This of course is provided your shot placement is good. Do spend a bit of time learning where the vitals are in the animals you plan to hunt. Its not quite the same as whitetail  :)

The biggest issue here is not penetration power, but rather string jumping. Many of our animals have incredible reflexes and will move in the split second between them hearing the bowstring and the arrow arriving. For warthog or impala this often results in a complete miss or even a wound. So I would focus on making that bow of your as quiet as possible.

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Re: 650 gr or 600ish?
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2017, 05:22:00 PM »
I will be in Limpopo province with Limcroma safaris. I want to wrap my string with yarn where it contacts the limbs. That has helped a lot on my other bows. I will also set a personal limit on how far I shoot.
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Re: 650 gr or 600ish?
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2017, 11:05:00 PM »
I shoot a 51@28 Big Jim Buffalo with 550 grain arrows and 1.5" Solid broadheads and had complete pass throughs on an impala, a warthog, and a kudu bull last July in the Limpopo province.   I agree with Johan...vitals are typically further forward and reflexes are sharper than North American game.  Your setup will do great.  I've hunted in South Africa four times...it's amazing, you'll love it.  I'm off to Zambia in July.

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Re: 650 gr or 600ish?
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2017, 12:33:00 AM »
I would highly recommend that you get a copy of "The Perfect Shot-Africa."  They can be found for a very reasonable cost, and are very enlightening about African game anatomy.

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Re: 650 gr or 600ish?
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2017, 11:15:00 AM »
I have all of my arrow/BH combinations mated up, spin tested and test fired. Now they are getting the KME treatment and put aside for packing. It's getting closer! August 18th departure.
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Re: 650 gr or 600ish?
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2017, 03:10:00 PM »
PM me your mailing address and I'll mail you the video above "the perfect shot Africa" Think I still have it laying around the house.
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Re: 650 gr or 600ish?
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2017, 05:12:00 PM »
WOW! OK! What awesome folks there are here at Tradgang.
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Re: 650 gr or 600ish?
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2017, 04:15:00 PM »
The vids were great!
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Re: 650 gr or 600ish?
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2017, 02:50:00 PM »
30 days and counting! 95% packed.
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Re: 650 gr or 600ish?
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2017, 04:32:00 PM »
Best of luck!! Hoping you post some pictures so we can live vicariously through you!

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