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Title: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 08, 2006, 12:38:00 PM
Ok, here goes! There is a heck of a lot of questions reguarding hunting hogs with Archery equipment. The questions range from what equipment to use, how to hunt hogs, where to find hogs, how to clean hogs, are big hogs edible, are they good to eat, can I use calls, do scents work, etc., etc.??????
Im going to try and share all the knowledge I've gained over the years with you in the most informative way I can. I certainly am not Gods gift to hog hunting but a fella can't help but learn a few things spending 3-4 days a week in the woods with hogs.

Opening info is to determine which type of hog you are hunting. There are two very different type of hogs out there. The first type is what I call "Herd Hogs". These are younger hogs that always run in a pack. The pack consists of 10-25 hogs generally and range from 20# to around 150#. Generally the larger hogs will be Sows.

The second type of hogs are the dominant hogs. These hogs will either run singular or will run in a very small group of 3-4 hogs. These hogs are generally from 175# to the largest available. The Singular hogs are generally aged hogs that have seen everything the world has to throw at them. These are the true trophy's and require greater skill and determination to acquire as a trophy. Be prepared to fail if you have set out to hunt a lone, aged boar hog! These guys are sharp!


Herd Hogs) These are the hogs people are talking about when you hear people say that hogs are dumb and blind. NOT SO!!! These hogs are in constant competition within the group and try and beat each other to a food source. They are so busy competing that the word ceases to exist around them. As Mark Horne says, "kids can kill a herd hog". These hogs rarely use their God given sences are are driven entirely by their desire to eat. Gluttony is a perfect word used to describe a herd hog.

Dominant Hogs) These hogs will pose a challenge as great as any trophy animal out there. These dominant hogs don't have such a regimented daily routine such as the herd hogs. The dominant hogs will rarely enter the shooting lane of an Archer without first scrutinizing the entire area. I've had these big hogs circle me repeatedly for hours trying to locate the source of danger that they know is there. You will rarely kill a dominant hog over a baited spot. Scent on the other hand will sometime allow you to coax the bruiser into an opening. Sound will also coax a giant. More later, CK

PS. There are about 6 guys on this site who hunt hogs a hell of a lot. If you guys see something I'm leaving out or wish to add your expertice, please feel free. This thread is here to help those with a bit less knowledge gain some insite. CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: wingnut on February 08, 2006, 12:59:00 PM
Cool stuff!  Now this weekend I'm looking for a herd hog then a dominant hog.  I'll be hunting the baited areas for the 80#r and sneaking the back eddies for the big boy.  Worked for me last year.  Heck even a fat bowhunter can find a hog now and then.

LOL

Mike
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: flatstick96 on February 08, 2006, 01:00:00 PM
Curtis,

Thanks for starting this thread; I'm new to Texas and have never hunted hogs before, but I am looking forward to trying it.  I know that there is no substiture for experience, but I am really looking forward to learning as much as possible from you and the other guys on here who have already learned alot of these lessons the hard way.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Aeronut on February 08, 2006, 01:07:00 PM
Thanks Curtis.  This kid has NO knowledge about hog hunting.  There are a few spots here in Ks. that have some hogs so this may give me a better start if I get the chance to hunt some!
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Bacote Kid on February 08, 2006, 01:07:00 PM
Study the Anatomy. Lots a folks hit em the the spot their aimin' and end up aimin' in the wrong spot. Then, it's time to do a squirrel imatation...      "[laffsmyl]"    

Good thread Curtis. This should clear up and answer alot of hawg stuff...

 www.texasboars.com\\anatomy.html (http://www.texasboars.com\\anatomy.html)
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Marvin M. on February 08, 2006, 01:18:00 PM
Great idea Curtis.  I'm hoping I can make it back west some day and hunt with you again.  

For now, I'm looking for a place here in KY.  There are a few around, if you can find them and get permission.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Irish on February 08, 2006, 01:19:00 PM
Hey Aeronut, I got a line on some hogs west of Lawrence, Ks.   Going out this weekend to chase them.  Going to use some of Curtis's advice, and a lot of shoe leather.  Will post if we have any luck.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: HARL on February 08, 2006, 01:28:00 PM
Great Curtis!!I'll be reading this till the end.Then one day I may be ready.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: TexMex on February 08, 2006, 01:35:00 PM
Thanks Curtis.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: tms on February 08, 2006, 02:21:00 PM
Hey Curtis,

I'm going on my first hog hunt, in two weeks.  Anything you impart between now and then is golden to me.

Thanks again,
Tom
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Lost Arra on February 08, 2006, 02:24:00 PM
Curtis: please explain the "coaxing" with scent or sound. Thanks
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Boris196 on February 08, 2006, 04:21:00 PM
Great information!! This will be my fourth year down and I've taken 5 hogs on the last three trips and didn't know some of that.

I shot a Dominant Hog my first year stalking, but his attention was diverted by the hot babe in front of him.  Hopefully I can use some of this to get another Dom Hog this year.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Boris196 on February 08, 2006, 04:23:00 PM
That was a great link Bacote Kid.  You did a great job of pointing everything out, and what a great idea.  I'll be sending that link to some of the first time hunters that are going down with me in two weeks.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: dosbow56 on February 08, 2006, 04:31:00 PM
thanks curtis,
Ionian and I are planning a hunt for later this fall, about 3rd week of october. don't know really where to start or where to go. if anyone wants to point a couple newbies, well one newbie and one hunter (nick) to some hogs, drop me a line.
again,great thread curtis, i'll be hangin on it.
dave
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Terry Green on February 08, 2006, 04:45:00 PM
Matt Schuster kills a lot more hogs than anyone I know in GA........Might get him to chime in, but Matt stays pretty quiet....I'll give him a poke and see if he'll yelp.

In the mean time.....I'm all ears Curtis.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Bacote Kid on February 08, 2006, 05:08:00 PM
HAWGS. The Poor Mans Grizzly. Also known as the North American Rhino. Proceed with caution but above all PROCEED. Nuthin like huntin' sumthin that'll hunt ya back. My favorite are the European strain hawgs. AKA Russians. Warning, yer bow don't make a real good fendin' stick. If ya stick on and give em the "REDS" climb son climb !!!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Terry Green on February 08, 2006, 05:19:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Bacote Kid:
 Also known as the North American Rhino.
Haven't heard that one yet....but I sure wont forget it.
  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Stalker58 on February 08, 2006, 05:29:00 PM
I'm love'n this thread.I'll be going on my 1st hog hunt soon,in S.Carolina.Any INFO I can get is appreciated.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: beachbowhunter on February 08, 2006, 05:29:00 PM
Ray Hammond knows how to bring home the bacon too! Man, this is gonna be great!
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: matt schuster on February 08, 2006, 05:53:00 PM
Terry flatters me.   There are lots of guys down here who kill more hogs than I do but I do get after them a lot.  I hunt them mostly by spot & stalk and the information above is good stuff, especially the part about knowledge of the anatomy.   Lots of guys lose hogs because they liver shoot them, then follow up way too quickly.  They come back to camp saying they lost a perfectly hit critter. The lungs on a hog are up tight to the shoulder and get higher as they extend back and a liver shot hog will live for a very long time.   Also, new hog hunters often are not aggressive enough when they close on hogs for the shot.   With their noses, when you get close you better move in and shoot.   If you hang around too long  and don't have a perfectly steady wind, you will get smelled.    I do not shoot heavy poundage because of a bad back (58#) but do shoot very heavy arrows and two blade heads when hunting bigger hogs, although I love Wensel Woodsmen and will shoot them at smaller hogs, which I prefer  anyway.   That's my two cents for what it is worth.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 08, 2006, 06:02:00 PM
OK, This is gonna be quick. Im about to go after some evening swine.

Some things I left out in the starting statment. Herd pigs don't always run alone with just their little group. As the Sows come into heat dominant Boars from around the area will stage up behind the herd hogs as they travel. As hogs travel, they generally are led by the smallest to the largest, in that order. If you are hunting bait, you will constantly see this happen. In comes the little dumb one, followed by the teenagers, and then young adults. Here's where the kicker comes in. If ya have a sow in heat in the bunch, there is a good chance there is a dominant Boar and maybe some contenders there as well. It takes these bruisers a little time to make sure all is clear and then they'll ease on in but they will always come in last. The trick is to remain calm and patient. That truly is the hard part. Next installment later tonight. I've got a great Moon to hunt this evening. CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: FLGATOR on February 08, 2006, 07:38:00 PM
Keep it goin, open the flood gates boys!!!!  I wanna learn more about hog rasslin, gettin down, dirty, and close!  How about some inside hands on wrasslin  info.      :campfire:
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: southpawshooter on February 08, 2006, 09:17:00 PM
Whoaaaa, excellent thread Curtis!!!   :thumbsup:   I'll be doing my first hog hunt this spring and will soak up the info like a sponge.  This is just great.......
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Bacote Kid on February 08, 2006, 09:44:00 PM
I'll drive ya nutts with this but remember to keep it low and tight to the leg...   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: tippit on February 08, 2006, 10:05:00 PM
Bacote Kid, That's the same shot on a bear.  I'm gettin' pumped for the TXS06 now!  Thanks CK really informative stuff...Jeff
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Bacote Kid on February 08, 2006, 10:16:00 PM
Tippit you talkin about the Texas Shoot out. There will be a guy there from Finland named Petri there. He is gonna make it out to our place in the Hill Country and chase some free range Black Buck Does while he is in Texas. Let me know if you're interested. We ain't a commercial ranch but we do some hunt's from time to time. Affordable daily rates with 2 doe per day minimums. Spottem rate is real high. Gettin close enough to get an arrow in one is another story. Check out Sars thread Black Buck Antehopelss...
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: NorthShoreLB on February 09, 2006, 12:47:00 AM
Great assesment on the big boars CK.

Dumb and Blind ??
 there's a couple of them that have being making a fool out of me for a few months now.

Manny
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: herb haines on February 09, 2006, 07:39:00 AM
one thing that was mentioned and i will say it again .pigs aren't a north American animal come from the old world so thier vitals are positioned forward of where they are in the animals native to here like white tails .so go for shoulder or angling forward .also from experience my one and only piggy , you won't get much penatration going through the shield .got less than 6 inches from 15 ft with 53# bow and sharp broadhead .found out i can shoot real fast LOL .--- herb--- hope to practice what i preached in a month -- come on Texas Sweat
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: the Ferret on February 09, 2006, 07:44:00 AM
If we lived in hog country we'd kill a pile of em, and chase them all the time, unfortunately we have to drive 1000 miles to get into hogs..but it's worth it LOL. Son Brian leaves in a couple weeks for another hog trip to Fla. I think between me, Dianne and Brian we've killed just shy of 40 hogs, and been in on maybe 100 hog kills. We've shot em over corn feeders, shot em spot and stalking and shot them chasing them with dogs. All 3 methods have their own strength and weaknesses. We prefer spot and stalk, are most successful using the dogs.None of the methods are fool proof.

Big ol hogs with long bodies, deep bellies and lots of ivory are a lot like big ol whitetail bucks. While they may be a little lacking in the sight catagory but make up a lot for it in smelling, hearing and intuition catagories. Sometimes the only way to get a big tooth boar hog is when he's caught up in following a sow in rut like CK mentioned (just like a big ol whitetail buck). Other than that you have to route them out of the extremely thick stuff with dogs, especially if there has been any hunting pressure on them at all. But after you've killed a few big boars it's actually more fun to chase the meat hogs. More accesible, more easily spotted, more easily stalked, more easily killed (no shield to deal with)and better on the grill IMO. These hogs will go from 40-140 pounds where we hunt.

When shooting a big boar in the 185-200 pound range or bigger, chances are he'll have a pretty substantial shield 1 1/2 -3" thick. I have seen arrows out of light weight bows bounce off this shield and arrows from med-heavyweight bows stick in it but not make it to the vitals. We wait until those big boars quarter away pretty severly and shoot 1/3 of the way up the body, behind the ribs, aiming forward for an exit spot between the front legs.That usually does the job pretty quickly.

If you "deer" shoot hogs broadside, you've got problems. Hit them right and they fold up like yesterdays newspaper.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 09, 2006, 07:56:00 AM
OK, My night hunt was uneventful so we'll move on.
Lets do  scents, baits and attractants  next. I hope everyone doesn't include everything they've ever used that worked. This will be a long thread indeed if that happens. Most anything stinky will grab a hog by the nose. Lots and lots of baits will work. This includes but is not limited to Strawberry jello, diesel, sour corn, rotten vegetables, and one of my favorites, fish. If you are planning on a upcomming hunt you can start your bait/scent now. The best I've found and is most widely used is plain ol corn. The next is sour corn. The juice drained off of a bucket of sour corn is great attractant scent if you live in an area where baiting is illegal. Soak corn in a covered bucket of water or beer for a couple of weeks. Use the corn where permissable or just the juice where it is not.
This works well also with fish if you bowfish a lot. Just cut up the fish into chunks, soak in a bucket of water till things start to smell bad, drain the water off and use the water as attractant.
We'll cover how to use and where later. This gives you time to start your own stink factory.

Hog Estrus and Dominant Boar scents: I must say that I was as excited as I could get when I was told about this stuff. Let me say it works sometime. The down side is that it works in very specific situations "like calling" and doesn't seem to work at all in other situations. The trick with the commercial scents is to use them where hogs will already be. In otherwise, you can use them around a bait site, along a well traveled trail, or around a pond that is getting hit daily. If you just use the scents randomly, hoping to draw a hog across the countryside, pack a lunch. You are going to be on a long wait. Beware when using these scents around yourself. The Estrus and dominant Boar scents bring out the fighting side of boar hogs and I've had at lease one very close call because I was stupid when using the scents. The key to everything is to use each tool available where and when you need to use it. That is important!

Here is the thing that is most important of all when using this stuff. I have learned this over and over and I still screw up sometime. Old hogs are very smart. These guys develop a routine and know everything associated with it. If a hog travels a trail every night and every night he runs past the same sights and same ol smells and all of a sudden one night you change something, it sets him on alert. He might like the smell of what you have offered but he is not stupid and most often will circle repeatedly, checking wind and anything he can see before going in. He will bust you  because of  the bait or scent! In other words, it is sometime best to NOT use baits or attractants especially with Dominant Hogs. If you've figured out their travel corridor, it is sometime best to just use the tools in the small pouch. If a feeder is something hogs are used to feeding at every night, they will generally rush right in without much thought. If you introduce a new scent to this area and they are used to no scent every time they are here, THEY WILL GO ON ALERT! The hogs that are used to rushing in will now start circling to try and figure out what has changed at their beloved bait site. You WILL get busted! OK, Im gonna let this soak in and hopefully get some other input. Please don't start listing every bait you've ever used. This will be the longest thread in history if you do. Thanks, CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Shaun on February 09, 2006, 09:54:00 AM
I've seen CK use a walking stick when he tracks a hit hog - looks a lot like a good hickory pick handle - even has a name though I forget what he calls it. Said he has had to use it once or twice.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: cajunbowhntr on February 09, 2006, 10:12:00 AM
Good stuff  CK. I plan on chasing a few during our spring turkey season. One thing I found out quick about the heard hogs or sounds.When they go from point a to b they ain't slippin around like deer.They get up and go at a pretty good trot,so ya better be ready.


CB
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: herb haines on February 09, 2006, 10:25:00 AM
Shaun ,CK's persuader is called "sweet spot"    :bigsmyl:  almost as big as he is but not near as tough --- herb
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 09, 2006, 11:17:00 AM
HaaHaaa! That pick-ax handle(Sweet Spot) has bailed me out of more than one tight spot that's for sure. No chance of anyone but the hog getting injured with that weapon as well.

Cajun hit on a great point when he noted that hogs make lots of noise when running in groups. We'll touch more on that when we talk about locating hogs. Location will be the last subject because we are going to be talking about very broad, Nation wide generalizations. For now lets talk about using scents and baits properly and we'll touch on calling hogs as well.

The place to use baits is in areas where hogs are known to be but seem to have no real routine. You can introduce baits and scents to these areas and generally within a week or two generate a routine that was non-existant before doing so. Once a pig has located a source of food he never ever forgets where it is. Even months after discontinuing baiting, hogs will return to the location to recheck it.

In areas where baiting is illegal, I would advise using scents or better yet, skip on down the page to "redirecting hogs". A good way to use scents is to dig a hole close to an area with hog sign already present. Dig the hole about 18" deep placing the dirt to one side. Pour some of your sour corn juice or fish juice in the hole and start backfilling a little at a time with the dirt you had originally dug out. Mix the scent with the dirt thoroughly as you fill the hole back in. Hogs will locate the scent and keep themselves busy for hours digging for the goody they know is in there somewhere. Diesel rags wired to tree stumps and pieces of creosote posts also will attract hogs. They will be drawn in to use these areas to rub themselves down. This is for insect control on themselves. I have huge trails on my home place that lead to a creosote pole that washed up in a flood.

Directing hogs and redirecting travel corridors: Like I mentioned before, many hogs develop a daily routine and rarely deviate unless something changes in the world they are used to. If you have found the lair of a large hog or have found an area that the hogs seem to be bedding in you can generally direct them with little effort. Generally these locations have trails that the hogs are traveling. You may choose not to use baits or scents and for you guys this will work as well. Set your stand location on the downwind side of the trail. Hogs are generally running when in travel so you will need to stop them for a shot. Find your point of ambush and create a detour in the trail using logs and debris. I will lay a log across a trail in a manner that will make the hog 1/4 my location as he goes around my detour. I generally place a few drops of vanilla or something similar at the end of the detour to make the hogs stop for the shot. You can also use detours with logs and debris to keep the hogs from circling downwind of your stand location. Use your imagination here. I also cannot stress scent control enough when setting up these locations. If a deer can smell your presence, a hog can smell you twice as good! Use your best ability in controlling your scent.

OK, Hog calling is next. Any question? Any input? I know the demeanor of hogs and the way they travel may be different by region. If you guys have input, please speak up. CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: ptaylor on February 09, 2006, 11:33:00 AM
What great info! Please continue. I'm going to have to print this off when your done.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Stalker58 on February 09, 2006, 11:37:00 AM
This is great stuff,thank's (in advance)for the great info.Can't wait to use some of this stuff.

  :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Caddo on February 09, 2006, 11:38:00 AM
My input. Maybe this will help Some folks out.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/Caddo/HogVitals.jpg)


LD
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 09, 2006, 11:57:00 AM
Water! I left out water! This is something that is absolutely imperative that everyone know. Hogs are water mongers! Im not a Vet, nor do I claim to know the full biology of hogs but I do know they will die in one day in a trap without water. I hear about it all the time from Ranchers around here. If you are experiencing any kind of dry weather pattern, find the nearest water source in relation to hog sign and you've got them. When I find pond during a dry spell that has hog sign present, I'll hunt the water in favor of a food source every time.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Huntschool on February 09, 2006, 11:58:00 AM
Killed a "right smart" number of piggies on my Texas forays.  Always... Always.... sharp broadheads and wait for that quatering shot.  Like Ferret said it will do the job.

My bow poundage is from 53 and down so I weight my arrows a bit just for good measure.  Curtis and I shoot simular arrows although his are heavier.

I prefer shooting over bait from a stand.  Gives me time to "sorta scope out" the pig I want.  I do not shoot big ones.  I prefer 70-100 lbs.  Way good on the tabel.  Actually, my wife's orders.

I have done some spot and stalk and I have to totaly agree with Curtis and others, ya need to be aggressive when the stalk/shot start to come together.  These devils can smell a peanut a mile away.

I have killed a few with flat broadside shots but its a waiting game for the onside front leg to get to and stay in a good position.  Actually pooched a shot and dropped the pig like a rock by hitting the spine.  Dumb luck.  I would not try for that shot.

Keep it commin.... this is great stuff
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: cajunbowhntr on February 09, 2006, 12:01:00 PM
One more thing I've learned is hogs are more sensitive to hunting pressure than deer.If you are not hunting a big piece of property it is real easy to run them off.We have several sounds that will be on our place early in bow season eating acorns but after a few weeks of hunting pressure they are completely nocturnal or just flat out gone.Now come on CK I wanna here about calling!Soooeeeeee!


CB
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 09, 2006, 01:51:00 PM
Hog vocalizations and calling:

I spend countless days a year watching, listening and shooting pigs in the wild. I do know hogs communicate in a number of ways but I can tell you without a doubt that I've never heard one hog call another from any distance. I personally think the idea is total BS.

Now, having said such a bold statment, I will share my thoughts on this whole issue. Hogs communicate constantly. I don't think I've ever been around hogs when they aren't constantly talking to each other. This talk consists of constant, low pitched, gutteral grunts and squeels. This is the way everyone stays together and knows each others pecking order. Another vocalization you will hear is the
loud, shrill squeal, evolked by pain or a fight over food or a sow. This is generally a one time sound that lasts a total of about 2-3 seconds and stops, not to be repeated unless there is a fight over food. Breeding hogs squeel but are seemingly in constant forward motion.

CALLING: This is an issue that I've totally tried to avoid due to the fact that I think it is  the best way to assure yourself that you will never see a hog . Having these thoughts running through my head has led me to test this idea against hogs in a wide variety of situations. During all this testing I have in fact proven my original thoughts incorrect. Calling will in fact work but once again the  timing must be perfect  or you are going to blow your cover. Here is where I've found calling to work.

When easing through the underbrush in close proximity to areas I know hold hogs, I will occasionally stop, listen, and then give one short, solid grunt. THAT'S IT! One grunt! If there is a hog in close proximity he will instinctively return a mirror grunt to the one I just issued. This is the way hogs communicate their location to one another. Once I have a hog located I will generally circle the area to get a good wind and then and only then will I issue another grunt. This second grunt will be aggressive and will be issued as territorial. Every time he grunts back at me I get more aggressive and will even start breaking sticks along with grunting. This technique works on Boar hogs and large Sows with little piglets. I do not use any commercial calls because I have not heard one that mimics the sounds that need to be made. I just walk around constantly practicing making sounds that I have personally heard while afield. Sounds crazy and I get lots of strange looks but I also sound realistic in the woods. LOL!

The second place where calling works the very best is when you have accidently stumbled upon a bedded group of hogs. When you have busted up the group, they will generally go several different directions and because they mostly operate as a family group, will start looking for where the others have gone. They are looking for each other by issueing gutteral grunts. You will hear hogs in several directions communicating their location to the others. This is when I will ease forward to the location the pigs were before I spooked them. I will get a good assult location and will grunt every time one responds. This will bring hogs in on a string. They will be approaching you from several directions and will know your exact location as they are comming toward you. Get ready, stay calm, and shoot straight. You absolutely do not want to wound one in this situation. A squeeling, hurt pig in this environment will evolk a defensive position from all the dominant hogs in the group and they will rush in to help their injured commrad. This is the situation that will make you or break you in hog hunting.

Feeders and calls. Never ever use a call in a feeder situation. Hogs compete within the family group but will shy away from competition from other groups of hogs. This is generally true unless you find a competative Boar hog. All other hogs will try and avoid confrontation with other family groups of hogs if they can help it.

If there were many hogs at a feed site when you shot one, they generally run ten different directions like we already talked about. Get a second arrow on the string and issue "one" grunt. If they answer you, grunt again. Continue and you will bring the group back together for shot #2. OK, I need a break from typing for awhile. There's more on this later. CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: NorthShoreLB on February 09, 2006, 01:56:00 PM
CK , your descriptions are spot on  :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:  

Manny
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 09, 2006, 01:59:00 PM
Thats great Manny. I've not hunted lots of the worlds best pig spots but Im glad to hear I'm close to what you've experienced yourself. Once we get through all the foundation work on this thread we'll get into some detail stuff. You have any input? CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: beyondmyken on February 09, 2006, 02:16:00 PM
Thank you all for advice and info.  I will be out for my first hog hunt on Sat with some advice from Curtis.  Can you talk more about following sign to find beds or what pig beds look like?  I think I will know one if there is still a hog lying in it  ;^)
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: NorthShoreLB on February 09, 2006, 02:18:00 PM
Readyng your posts I feel like I'm the woods  :bigsmyl:  

you could be writing of the behavior of our pigs, if I didn't know you are in texas.

The only difference so far is water, pigs here get a lot of moisture from lots of fruit and jusy snails, ....but water is still key, just not as much.

I personaly never had any luck hunting over water  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: cajunbowhntr on February 09, 2006, 02:38:00 PM
Ck some of the deer grunt tubes are adjustable and can make a pretty deep grunt.Ya think one of these will work?


CB
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Cinghiale on February 09, 2006, 02:48:00 PM
Hi Littlefeather...here in Italy I use a similar method like your to bait the wild boars.
I take used oil where was fried fish; I soak a rag with the used oil and I drag it on the wood and than I came back under my treestand.
If a boar meet the oil trail follow it for sure.
To use corn I make some holes on the ground with a heavy metal stake and I fill it with corn. So when a hog came in it take more time to eat because it has to root. It's more natural make rooting to find food.
Tomorrow I'll try to make sour corn....nice idea.
Ciao Armando
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 09, 2006, 03:10:00 PM
Ciao, It's great to be able to compare notes about hog behavior a literal world appart. We've got lots of state-side guys who are phenominal with hunting pigs. Never thought of Italy and haven't thought of Hawaii till this year either. Good to know. Let us know how the sour corn works for you. Is everything else I've covered close to what you are experiencing as well?

Cajun, Once again Im caught in a quandry about the calling. Here is my personal take on everything we've discussed so far. Use every technique we've discussed a little bit at a time till you determine what is working for you. Save the calling and vocalizations till you feel you've advanced just a tad with pig hunting. It's kinda like a new Whitetail hunter going out and immediately starting to snort/grunt/wheeze before he's ever heard the sound made by deer in nature. How could anyone produce the proper sounds when you've never heard them used by the animals. Just remember that ammo is in the arsinal if you find yourself in one of the situations I've mentioned about where and when to use the sounds. First study the hogs awhile. Calling is not for the two weekend a year pig hunter. You'll just end up blowing great possibilities before they arise.

Bedding areas: Im going to cover this at the end of the thread. For now I'll just say that the hogs in your geographic region will act totally different than those in mine when choosing bedding areas. My hunting is done in relatively flat, featureless country. Im sure yours vary's. How to determine if it's a hog bed? Well, here around me they tend to get up under low growing brush. The depressions they make are always slightly wallered out, leaving the appearance of a ring around the bed. Hogs literally waller around in these spots and loose lots of hair in them. Just get down close to them and if it was a hogs bed, there will most certainly be hair there. These areas generally are either moist areas holding coolness or they will have a powdery, dusty bottom to the bed. The powdery type beds are used to remove remove parasites from their skin a lot lite rabbits and birds dust themselves. You will generally find the dusty type beds higher in elevation and will generally be on the east side of ridges and high areas. Rarely will you find dusty beds where they aren't on the east side of a tree line or ridge. The wet type beds are generally late day beds where pigs are escaping the heat. These will be found in the low-lying drainages and around ponds.  CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: JC on February 09, 2006, 03:39:00 PM
Dang CK, when you writin the "Hog Hunting with Traditional Bows" book? Some good stuff here...much of it, I didn't know....like the some of the bedding area info. I have found lots of "hog sign", rootin, feces, scratchin posts etc. where I've hunted em but never beds.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Ray Hammond on February 09, 2006, 04:00:00 PM
I havent read the whole thread...but Curtis asked for some perspective from Georgia and South carolina so here goes-

Hogs in MY neck of the woods are true ROAMERS unless kept in an area by supplemental feeding of corn etc.

I have seen hogs in an area that looked like it was hit by an atom bomb one day- the next day there are no hogs on 2500 contiguous acres - go figure.

they like roaming up and down waterways here...swamps, creeks, streams, rivers. If I have a choice thats where I would concentrate my efforts every time.

Here hunting hogs in stands is only productive if you want to hunt on the runs coming into the feeders...otherwise, and even if you hunt a feeder- its sort of a crapshoot. The more pressure you apply to a feeder- that makes the hogs just go nighty- night to feed.

I like slipping for hogs. There's one of two ways to do it that we have found. Plant something in fields like sorghum, brown top millet...something that has nice tasty roots taht the pigs will have a good time rooting up..and spread the plots around your place..and move between them slipping, glassing, and if you see one, go after that sucker right away..be aggressive, move in, and take your shot.

The longer you mess with em, the more likely the wind will shift and all your work will go for naught.

Another way is to run around the roads of your property and spill a little corn along the sendero or two track as you drive around. This means the hogs have to come out of the thick and stay in the roadway moving up and down, picking up the corn. You can go in the woods or thickets on the side of the road and buttonhook them with the wind in your favor of course, and pop out on em and take your shot.

I like moving around in swamps for them, spotting them feeding- lots of times you will hear them before you see them..move in..get em spotted, check for more than the ones you see and if there's only one or two, move move move and get your shot.

if there's lots of them you are going to have to be more careful...more eyes, more noses. Don't get between a mama and a baby and you will be just fine.

In places where hogs STAY a lot, they do use regular beds i have found...around here they look like big bird nests...they like something we call tai-tai (looks like a weak, stringy sort of cane)..that grows in patches..they'll pile it up in cold weather and make a nest to lay in of it... Ive never seen them making a bed but I guess they bite the stuff off and pile it up just like a momma and daddy bird do twigs.

In warm weather its the muddy and wet areas they like...they roll in mud and rub on trees close to the wallows to rub the mud into their hidesto keep skeeters from biting them...like you wear a bug suit. The boars will mark trees with their tushes too, sort of like a buck rub only lower and a lot bigger than a buck rub...more like a 12 inch legged moose on steroids.

Ive got pictures of 30 inch diameter trees looking almost like a beaver has worked on em for a week but its boar hogs.

NOTE- regulations on hog hunting vary widely by state. You cannot hunt pigs after dark in some places...I wouldn't do it where I hunt them in the dark even if it was allowed as there are many bad things to walk into here like big gators, cottonmouths, etc in the wet areas..unlike many other locales this place is HOSSSTILE if you know what I mean..  :scared:    :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Bacote Kid on February 09, 2006, 04:05:00 PM
If you posted this CK sorry I didn't see it. You can also get you a hunk of ol' creasote post. The more creasote on it the better. Chain it to a tree so they don't tote it off. Dump deisel all over it, yes deisel. They will use it as a rub. I think it was Manny who posted some pics from Hawaii what the hogs were doing to the utility poles. They rub it to get the creasote and deisel all over them for a bug and tick repellent. This works the best in the summer for obviuose reasons but they will begin to frequent the area to use this rub. Just deisel it up whenever it starts lookin dry. It's a good place to bait around also. Kind of a double shot. I always like the "PHD" method for my corn. Keeps em from vaccuming it up so fast...Bacote...   :knothead:
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 09, 2006, 04:09:00 PM
Yep, covered that on page two Bacote. Thanks though.

Thanks Ray, I know you spend lots of time with pigs out there. Glad to have you share your regional information and what works best for you out your way. CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: the Ferret on February 09, 2006, 04:09:00 PM
A note about hogs, they never stop moving for more than a second or two unless they are bedded or sense something isn't right. When they sense something isn't right they stiffen up, stand still and point there noses up a bit I I assume trying to catch a scent) before woofing and running off. If close to a hog, expect to make a quick shot because he is only going to offer perfect shots for a very small time frame before turning one way or another. I mean like a second. The exception is when dogs have them backed up against something like a palmeto bush. They will usually stand pretty still knowing there will be no attack from the rear and will face all comers head on.

Carry on CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Bacote Kid on February 09, 2006, 04:11:00 PM
Sorry CK missed it.     :scared:

In never knew there was this much interest in Hog huntin'. I thinks it's great...  :wavey:
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 09, 2006, 04:20:00 PM
I hear ya! I been knocked down and tossed around as well. Lets get through the informative stuff then we'll tell the tales of teeth and blood. CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Ray Hammond on February 09, 2006, 04:39:00 PM
Not dis'in you, Bacote, and some may see this as nit-pickin but I am against putting deisel fuel on something and leaving it around for rain to suck the fuel out of it and run it down into our aquifer so we can drink it later.

There's lots of ways to attract hogs and most of them don't involve damaging the environment- I know, its small compared to a diesel spill at a wreck, or what leaks out of underground tanks, but every little bit hurts a little bit more sort of like spray cans messing up the ozone...let's be careful about encouraging folks to poison themselves and others just to keep some pigs coming back to a rub. We've been using gas and diesel since the early 1900's- thats 100+ years this crap has been getting into our ground water and I firmly believe it to be one reason cancers are on the rise...do I have proof? No. But its a chance we don't HAVE to take either.

fuel will soak through your skin, so why wouldnt it soak through a pigs hide as well? If that happens, then its going to taint the meat or at least be in the muscle when you are eating it...and that cant be good either.

Remember, everybody lives downstream from somebody...underground water or above ground its all the same.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Bacote Kid on February 09, 2006, 05:31:00 PM
I here ya Ray. But were I do it is in an oil field out of Sugarland Texas. I just roll the log around in what the oil companies spill out. But your right, I'd never do it in the Hill Country were you don't have all that mess...
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 09, 2006, 05:37:00 PM
Good point guys! Thanks for pointing that out! Looks like this thread is getting lots of traffic but little input. I'll check back later tonight or tomorrow morning to hopefully gain some insite from others here as well. Here piggy, piggy, piggy. Im comming ta get ya!  CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Boris196 on February 09, 2006, 06:21:00 PM
Great stuff guys!! Keep it coming.

I've hunted them a few times before but you can never learn enough, and since spot and stalk is my favorite every little bit helps.

I've found that when spotting and stalking being aggressive doens't hurt.  They move around a lot and about the time opportunity finds itself, it's gone.

CK - I've tried the Here piggy, piggy call but never had much luck with it.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Cinghiale on February 09, 2006, 06:21:00 PM
Have you any tips for night hunting ?
Flash light or moon light ???

Arms
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Bacote Kid on February 09, 2006, 06:38:00 PM
Solar Hog light if it's legal in your state (Country). Other wise I always hunted full moon nights.
 www.ultramaticfeeders.com (http://www.ultramaticfeeders.com)  
Then click on feedlight. It's made for hog huntin...You can make your own if you get creative...I've found it just as hard to hunt em at night as in the day sense they don't have the best eyes anyway. Actually I think daylite is easier cause you can see em comin. At night, especially black hogs just appear. If it's a solitary boar they usually slip in and you don't hear em coming like you would a pack of em...
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Lee in S.C. on February 09, 2006, 07:10:00 PM
I hunt hogs occasionally here in SC. I like to hunt the waters edge as it recedes in the swamp. The hogs work that edge pretty hard getting acorns and stuff that were covered  while tha water was high. I also hunt the tidal marshes on a flood tide. The high water concentrates the hogs onto high ground, especially in cold weather. I hunt mostly in the afternoon, I kill very few hogs in the AM. They seem to be naturally nocturnal, more so than deer.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Cinghiale on February 09, 2006, 07:16:00 PM
Thank you B.K....unfortunally here due high hunting pressure wild boars exit at  night only. During the daylight  if you want catch them dogs must be used.
Now I look the link you have suggested.
Ciao Armando
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Bacote Kid on February 09, 2006, 07:32:00 PM
No problem Cinghiale. Don't take much to turn em all the way nocturnal. Like Lee said, they're pretty much already that way...
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Jumper on February 09, 2006, 09:44:00 PM
Just a couple of thoughts here guys.

1) A hog’s nose is hard to beat. Try using a smell that they have trouble resisting if you want to hold them in an open shooting lane for the shot. Mind you, an older hog isn't going to stay long so make it happen. Poke small holes in the aluminum seal on a plastic bottle of vanilla extract. Next use it as a squeeze bottle/sprayer and lightly spray the area you want the hog to stop in. If you have the time, spray it on some corn and let it sit over night before putting it out. Another trick here is to dig a trough and burry the corn. They will stay in the area longer to dig up every last kernel. If a group of herd hogs comes in like Curtis mentioned earlier, they will make enough noise that in some cases a dominant hog will also come in to take over the food source. Be patient and see if one shows up if herd hogs are at your bait. Second scent that they can't seem to resist is Raspberry Jell-O mix. Got to love that one huh. I learned that one from a Texas Biologist who used it to bait traps. Seems they are willing to ignore the human scent left on a steel trap to some extent when they smell the Raspberry powder sprinkled in the trap bottom. Give it a try, I have and filled the freezer on more than one occasion.

2) If you don't want to go the attractant or bait route, stalking is a very viable option on hogs. Lots of fun too! Look in the shady, thick, cool areas during mid day. If you can combine that with a water source, you have hit pay dirt brother! Circle down wind, slip off your boots, and ease in there. Just take your time, don't rush it. Even if they get nervous and leave, sometimes they will filter right back into their mid-day haven. Good camo with a large open pattern is key here. Hogs seem to look right through you if you are wearing something like ASAT or Predator. Just try to stay in or partially in the shadows.

3)  A bow that is pulling 45# or better should be good on most hogs. The larger boars will be a lot tougher but if you’re mindful to keep those shots low and forward, you will be in the money. Remember that a hog’s heart is just behind that front leg and below the scapula. On that note, keep your shots low. Too high and you won't get the penetration on a larger hog. Two blade cut on contact head. Heavy and sharp. Don't sacrifice good flight for weight though. Better to have a straight in hit that goes deep rather than an arrow that is flopping all over the place loosing energy that results in poor penetration.

4) Follow up after the shot. Mark the spot you took the shot and the spot the hog was standing when you hit him. Sounds simple but it isn't in the heat of the moment. Listen and don't move. Fix the last sound you hear the hog make and use it as a reference later if the blood trail gives out. You would be amazed at just how little they can bleed even with a good hit. Heavy fat layers, thick hide, it all adds up. Again, low and forward to put it in the boiler will lead to a fast recovery.  

5)  Leather gloves. You would be amazed at just how many prickly pear spines will be sticking out of a Texas hog! They will mess you up fast if you’re not careful. The gloves also give you a better grip for dragging and help protect you when you’re squeezing through the lovely prickly pear patches.

  Just a few thoughts, hopefully some of the other Texas Sweat guys will weigh in here also. Between them, a lot of pork has hit the dirt!
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Terry Green on February 09, 2006, 10:46:00 PM
Great thread.....lots of info that is international.....and some local fine tuning.

Keep it coming.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: CJ5 on February 09, 2006, 11:06:00 PM
Excellent thread. I'm getting alot of great schooling on hog hunting. We have a few here, and getting more, but nothing like further south. Most people here rifle hunt them with dogs. I'd like to see more info on techniques for mountainous terrain and maybe some field dressing/processing stuff whenever we get to an appropriate place in the thread.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: slow walker on February 09, 2006, 11:16:00 PM
Some have sort of alluded to this but let's say you have a good shot at a larger hog...150 lbs. and up.  What are the safety precautions you should think about?  I dreampt of shooting a really big boar last night.  In my dream I shot him in the "wrong" place and he came right after me.  I spent the next several minutes (until I woke up) runnin my arse off and wishin for a tree I could climb.  (Of course in real life, I'd just pull my Doug C. sheath knife and say to him "come on punk, make my day", but this was a dream you see.   :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Scott G on February 09, 2006, 11:33:00 PM
I've shot a few hogs here in TX but only barely into the double digits and I don't have anywhere near the knowledge on this subject as most of the people posting here.  That said, here are some observations from my limited experience.

I have always been one to use two bladed broadheads sharpened to a mirror, razor edge.  Don't know if this is a problem anyone else has had, but I usually end up with skimpy blood trails when shooting hogs.  Next time out I'm going to try Wensel Woodsmans and see if they do any better, unless its a really big hog.

Something I have observed at feeders, sometimes when you shoot a "herd hog" as Curtis puts it, they don't always take off in different directions but actually seem to have a freakin escape route...they all haul bacon in the same direction down the same trail.  When this happens I swear a fatally shot hog can run 100 yards after it's dead just to keep up with the group.  Shot a 40# hog that ran over 300 yards, keeping up with the herd, after center punching the heart with a razor sharp magnus.  When I unzipped him the chest cavity was full of blood but he left a real skimpy blood trail.

Also, after putting a good shot on a hog if they don't get to far you might hear them make a death moan.  Listen for it and make a note where it comes from, it might help in retrieval.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Scott G on February 09, 2006, 11:53:00 PM
Slow Walker,

None of the hogs I've killed have been over 150 lbs so take this for what it's worth.

I think most hogs just want to get away when you shoot them.  Probably the most dangerous time is when your tracking a mortally wounded hog, it's decided to find a place to lay down and die but you won't leave him alone and his mind set changes from flight to fight.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: beachbowhunter on February 09, 2006, 11:54:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by the Ferret:
A note about hogs, they never stop moving for more than a second or two unless they are bedded or sense something isn't right.  If close to a hog, expect to make a quick shot because he is only going to offer perfect shots for a very small time frame before turning one way or another. I mean like a second.  
Ferret you took the words right out of my mouth! They are always moving, expecially on the front end. You need to be ok with taking a shot at a moving target. And unlike a whitetail, a grunt wont hold them. They bolt with no second glance.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: tippit on February 10, 2006, 06:58:00 AM
This is such a great thread.  I've never hunted hogs before but the similarity to bear hunting (except the herd aspect) is amazing.  I'm loving this...thanks!  Just curious, has anyone used annise or liquid smoke with vanilla?  Jeff
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: the Ferret on February 10, 2006, 07:16:00 AM
It should be noted there are several species of hogs and they have different characteristics and temperaments.

The Spanish descendent hogs found in Florida and south Texas are runners and not fighters for the most part and hunters have little to fear in the way of charges unless you are standing in their flight path. They tend to be of smaller stature and body weights as well. A 200 pounder is a big one and a 300 pounder is practically unheard of. A true direct descendant pure Spanish hog may have what they call wattles, 2 fleshy flaps hanging under their jowls. I have only shot one of these. I have also shot one that had "mule feet", supposedly another rare trait of the Spanish hog.

The European hogs or Russians as some are called are larger and more aggressive and will chase you down and try and put a hurting on you. These can grow into the 400 pound and up range. I'm not sure where these live except I think they live in Tenn, Ark, maybe the Carolinas? I think they refer to these locally as Piney Woods rooters.

The 2 species besides size, are different in hair, snout length, ear shape, and tail shape. The Spanish tend to also have a flat back line and the Europeans have a sloped back line with the haunches lower than the front shoulders.

Like a deer a hog can go from standing still to full speed running in about 3 steps. I wouldn't call them blazing fast, but you are not going to outrun one. We have chased hogs that didn't stop running for 2 miles thru the Palmetto swamps.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Charlie Lamb on February 10, 2006, 08:44:00 AM
With pretty limited experience hog hunting I don't have a lot to add and lots to learn here.

I'd say that if there was ever a time when good optics paid for themselves it would be hog hunting.

Once those oinkers bed they can be hard to see regardless of cover type. I know around Curtis, they like to brush up in cockleburr thickets and under grandfathers beard... both very thick.

Use your binocs to pick apart cover, looking for patches of hair.

For me, at least, getting down low to scan under thick overhanging brush helps. What often appears as a wall of solid brush actually has a center and it's clear under there... but pretty dark compared to outside.
Patience is a virtue.

As far as dealing with an aggressive animals, I have this plan. (like Mike Tyson said, "everyone has a plan until they get hit)  :D
A pig comes for me and he's gonna get a face full of arrow. I don't run or climb all that well.

Howard Hill used to bait them into a charge and then jump to the side... hogs don't turn all that fast... then he'd shoot them going away.
I did that very thing years ago on my very first hog... around 1967. Much more agile then!

They also don't jump all that well, so I guess you wouldn't need to get all that far off the ground if you had a tree handy.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: JC on February 10, 2006, 09:07:00 AM
Most of ya'll are way ahead of me on hog knowledge but I'll add this in that has already been mentioned:

Shot placement is critical for hogs, they don't usually bleed a whole lot in my experience and have a great zest for life. Too far forward is better than too far back, just behind or above the elbow entrance with exit between the front legs somewhere will drop em like a hot horseshoe...or as mickey stated, hard quartering away between the last rib and hip entrance, exit between front legs somewhere. Mickey and others also stated they are in constant movement. A quick (yet still accurate) shot is an asset.

Ray touched on most of the hog behavior I have experienced locally: they roam a great deal and if you can find food areas to hunt to and between, I think it improves your odds of success.

Their eyesight may not be as keen as a whitetails but don't underestimate it, they key on movement very easily, though do seem to have some issue with picking out human form in camo. But their nose seems to be a whitetails better.

I prefer to hunt them spot and stalk, into the wind of course, while they are feeding/rooting. I poked a pig once it was making so much noise feeding it didn't hear me slip right up too it...course I doubt you'll do that with one of any size but they are sometimes so singleminded, and so loud in a group, getting to a shot can happen very quickly if you are agressive and use the wind correctly.

They are my favorite animal to hunt with a stickbow by far.

Now....on with the wisdom from the experts....I'm still soakin this thread in.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: CJ5 on February 10, 2006, 09:07:00 AM
Ferret.......Yeah, european boars from the Urel  mtns. were transplanted in the Hooper's bald area near Robbinsville, N.C. Supposedly, it was one of the earliest introductions in the U.S., but this I dont know for sure. The ones here sure do look fearsome though  :scared:  .
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 10, 2006, 09:18:00 AM
Wow! You guys bring up some great points that I wasn't thinking about covering. Night hunting, Lights, dressing hogs, gear, trail timers, recovery time, etc. Whew, where do we start?

My night hunt really well until 8:55pm when 9 good sized hogs come running by. I stopped them with a grunt and as the entire herd bunched up, I could only make out one big blob of black. The Moon had gone behind the clouds and thwarted my shot opportunity. They stood still for a solid 10 seconds and then continued of their nightly rituals. Maybe tonight will prove more fruitful. Let me get some coffee and we'll contine on down the path of piggy profiles. CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: citori on February 10, 2006, 09:23:00 AM
Hey.....I have been lurkin and reading this site for a while, and decided to get involved.  I am also fairly new to traditional archery.  I have been fooing with it for a while but just got serious about it in the last year or so.

I am from southeast Missouri.  We have a growing population of hogs here.  I have killed 3 this past year, and am getting into hunting them pretty heavy.  They are mostly on public land, and expanding the range at a good rate.

I took the jaw from my first hog and went to texasboars and aged it.  It has the tooth between the cutters and molars in the lower jaw that the website says means it is a hybrid.  They look almost pure russian to me.  Huge long head and front shoulders, and small waist with shorter hams.  LONG hair on the back and a 10" hairy tail.

The boar that I killed was @160# and I aged him at 3 years old.  The other two were sows and were @225# and 140#.

I am VERY interested in all this info that you guys have talked about so far.  I am hunting around a large lake that is very hilly.  I put out bait at a wallow and have had little luck.  

They seem to be VERY inactive during the day and lay up in heavy thickets. There is a LOT of pressure on the hogs from people hunting.  We had a VERY good acorn crop this year and they dont have to move much at all to get all they need to eat.  

I love this thread......it is the most info on hog hunting that I have ever seen.

thanks for listening to me ramble on   :D   hog hunting just gets me excited!!!!!

thanks
citori
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 10, 2006, 11:26:00 AM
I've just gone through and reread everything posted so far. I must admit that I now feel like we've only scratched the surface of all we need to talk about. I suppose we'll talk a bit about where to find hogs now. This will be the hardest of the subjects due to Geographic differences between your area and mine.

Im a South Texas hog hunter. Here in south Texas the lay of the land is almost featureless. My hunting areas are generally flat with the only elevation changes being along creeks, streams , and rivers. It is here where these elevation changes occur that I seem to find the more piggy sign.

Hogs are just an animal not unlike many of the other animals in the woods. They need the very things that every other animal needs and in many ways act the same in their daily/nightly routine. Eat, drink, sleep, and breed. Pretty simple isn't it? Not really!

Bedding areas: I find the greatest majority of the bedding areas in the cool, damp environments just out of the river bottoms and around the high edges of pond banks. Generally the bedding takes place along a ridge adjacent to a water source or wetland area where the pig can stay cool and still have the vantage of the best wind. These ridges may be a 5' rise in elevation a 100 yards away from water or a ridge 10" from the water. It doesn't have to be a big ridge, just a high point. Of course, if you've got a 50' ridge running parallel to a creek and is in close proximity, I think you will find bedding sign along it. The ridges that have an East facing direction will be your #1 choice in the entire area. This is going to be especially true in the winter and in areas where cold weather is dominant. Hogs generally feed at night and are quite cold by morning. They wish to lounge in the warmth of the rising, morning Sun.
Another type of bed is the dry dirt bed. I spoke a little about them earlier. You'll find these type beds as well as the moist beds. The dry beds are areas where the pigs are dusting themselves for parasites. They look quite similar to the moist beds but will be a bit harder to spot.

Feeding areas: This can be any natural or manmade food source including crops such as beens and corn. Also in some regions the hogs will forage grasslands, The grasslands look like an unlikely spot to you and I but under the ground will hold tubers which hogs will root for and feed on. Fruit and nut trees will also draw hogs. The areas with one or two fruit trees are only going to be a Snack Bar along the route. Hogs will hit them but with much less frequency than areas of greater food sources. What you are looking for is an area with a vast support system of food. Something that will easily support a group of hogs and not one or two hogs. This of course will also be a regional thing.

Water sources: These are likely spots to ambust hogs but can vary in results depending on the amount a water available within the region. If there is little water and it is far between, water is an amazing possibility in hunting hogs.

Sign posts: Hogs leave sign posts everywhere the travel. Once you've taught yourself what you are looking for you will find that hogs have been leaving you tidbits of information all over the place. You must adjust yourself to start reading the sign. Hogs bed generally in one direction. Here you can see which way the have been facing so that you may approach the bed properly next time. This is especially true of dominant, lone boars. Hogs scratch on trees and make sign posts. You can tell how tall the hogs are and what direction they are traveling by watching the bases of the trees and seeing which side they've been rubbed on. Hogs leave mud here and will sometime polish trees to a glossy sheen if they are used often. Feces will also tell you the direction of a hogs travel and how long its been since he was there. If the feces is still moist and warm, Id say you are relatively close to a hog! LOL!
 
Breeding: This is the least of your worries when hog hunting. It happens at all times of the year and never ends. There is no way that I know of to pattern hogs around breeding. I would consider this a secondary issue when hog hunting.

My overview in a nutshell: If you have an area where cropland in divided my a creek or river, you will certainly want to hunt along the brushy areas there. Hogs will be laid up in the heat of the day and will be bedding here. In the late evenings and at night, they will generally hit a water source and then continue on to feed in the fields. Of course there are so many variations on geographic and regional changes that I cannot even hope to cover a small percentage of these. You'll have to do some of your own foot work here and implement some of what we have talked about such as scents, baits, etc. to locate your quary. I cannot stress enough that hogs will bed on the East side of hills and ridges in the mornings. I've seen this over and over. I've also flown over bedded hogs on many occasions while flying with a friend. I see hohs bedded on open, desolate hill tops where I would have never looked. Don't overlook the obvious due to your extreem concentration on other things. Cover all the bases. The other thing I will say is that hogs in many, many areas are nomatic due to lesser food sources and less conducive areas to inhabitate. If you can't find a hog on any given 500 acre tract of land in your area, you do not have a hog overpopulation problem. You instead have huntable numbers but not an epidemic. Here in South Texas we are experiencing an epidemic and I fear that someone is going to start trying new measures to erradicate the species. Im gonna take a break now. Any questions or input? CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Shaun on February 10, 2006, 11:32:00 AM
A cleaning note; to peel a hog, make another skin cut down the back or on a very large hog cut the skin in stips from head to tail. Makes it much easier to pull off. Use a utility knife with a roofers' hook blade to cut the hide.

Been told that a charging hog will keep going if you manage to sidestep his charge. Heard that a javie will turn and keep after you. I can jump higher than a hog, but my hang time is not too good. Nothing to climb in south TX that is not full of thorns. Make the first arrow a good one!
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 10, 2006, 11:55:00 AM
When to hunt pigs: The best time to hunt pigs is when you have the time. There is such a wide array of methods available that you literally can hunt hogs 24 hours a day in most states in the US. They also are not considered a game animal in any state that I know of. The fact that they are not considered a game animal means that you may legally employ just about any method to take a hog. I personally have never found the need to restrict what methods I use. Ethics is not something that enters my mind when in pursuit of hogs, I hope that doesn't offend anyone but I've seen the millions of dollars a year in distruction these vermin create while perpetuating their own species.

The absolute best time to find a hog is in the late evening and into the night. Hogs are mostly nocturnal by nature but are also opportunists and will feed, water, or breed just about any time the desire hits them. I actually have developed such a fondness for the pigs lifestyle that I find myself envious of them. My personal favorite time to hunt hogs is between dusk and around 11:00pm. The pigs around me tend to move best on moonlit nights with a slight breeze, between the hours of 7-10:00pm best. This may vary by region. I have used lights on feeders with great results but the results are generally short lived and the hogs get wise. I've hunted more and more by moonlight the last two years. Most every night hunt I've done in the last six month has been done without the aid of artifical light. Beware, your shooting will change when shooting at night. Practice a lot in the dark before going afield. I tend to shoot much tighter groups in the dark but the shots tend to be a bit high. Practice, practice, practice. There is a very unique, spititual connection with the bow when shooting in the dark. One of those "feel the force" type shots. Of course for about 8 or so nights a month the moon produces very shootable light. The use of pop-up blinds creates a brighter shooting environment as well. You are sitting in the dark looking out into the light. Your eyes adjust much better if using an enclosure. Although your eyes may adjust just fine, your heart never will. Nothing, absolutely nothing sends a jolt of adrenaline surging harder or faster than to be sitting in the dark with all around you silent when all of a sudden a boar hog breaks the silence in close proximity with a shrill squeel. BAM! The adrenaline almost knocks me down for a couple minutes! This is the entire reason I continue to push as I do on these rooters! The night time rush is unrivaled. Unless they make night hunting bears legal, I'll continue to hunt pigs in the moonlight.

Morning hunting: Mosty unproductive for hogs unless you catch some late runners on a return trip to the bedding ridges. The fact of the matter is that you and I have been taught since we were young boys to get up very early and sneek quietly through the wood in route to slay a mythological monster. This is a rich tradition that is truly ingrained within us since we were young. No need to dis traditions, you are supposed to hunt in the morning so get out there and enjoy the time afield and dream about shooting a hog of a lifetime later tonight in the moonlight! CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: The Ursus on February 10, 2006, 12:16:00 PM
I don't thinks this has been talked about yet.  I think most of this group is ok with "any method or any means" so I think it's safe to discuss this option here.  I havn't done this myself but know some guys who have had really good luck shooting pigs in complete darkness with a lazer pointer.  They hunted by pairs in elevated stands over feeders with wheelie bows.  One guy would shine the dot on in the zone and the other would shoot.  I don't know how well this would work for traditional shooters but I'd try it if I had another chance at pigs at night.  Apparently, it was the only thing that worked for them during their trip cuz they'd only come to the feeder in the dark.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: The Ursus on February 10, 2006, 12:22:00 PM
Of course, I wouldn't expect any type of "spiritual moment" when trying this method.  :)
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Cinghiale on February 10, 2006, 12:38:00 PM
Yeah..European Boars are nocturnal too..( Cinghiale means Wild Boar n.d.r ) and it's impossible to hunt them during the day.
Here the wild boars have a very steep territory where live..normally the bedding zone is in the middle of a very steep scarp with a lot of brambles. You can shoot inside with a gun and they don't move from there.
The only one chance is night hunting.
Full moon nights are better for me but somone use a torch mounted on his bow with a remote control or a head lamp.
I don't like it....natural light is better.
The preferred time is about between 9 pm and 11 pm...If you like to know wich is the right time instead to use a expensive cam you can use a very cheap battery alarm clock. I buy it from street vendors for about 1 Euro ( about 1 US$ ).Than I remove the plastic cover of battery and tie some yards of fishing line to the battery..I fix with adhesive tape the clock to a tree ..I stretch the line and I tie it to another tree. When the boars came,pull away the line and the battery....the clock stop at the exact time....after some nights you know the habit of that animal....Just go up on the stand one hour before without long long waiting.
Ciao Army
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 10, 2006, 12:56:00 PM
HaaaHaaa! I was just about to cover "trail timers". You just posted a similar idea that I was going to tell about. I'll get to that in a bit. Good post! CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: NorthShoreLB on February 10, 2006, 01:39:00 PM
In the areas where I hunt them, they prefer to bed on the higher elevations, usualy on the lee side of the ridges, where the vegetation is greener and thicker.

I've spend countless hours following trails and try to figure them out.

I know now where the general bedding areas are, but there's no way I could get anywere near them before they hear me good.

I have to hunt them when they are in transition, because even the most likely feeding areas are super thick, they love to root for snails on the open forest floor under the pine needles, but that's mainly nocturnal, the grounds are all tore up, but rarely I manage to spot them in dayligth in this areas.


On the charging note, when I was hunting them (rifle) in Australia with my Dad 20 years ago, he always made me carry a machete, and stressed, "if you get charged, stand your ground, sidestep them at the last second, and whak hem on the neck !"


Is 8:30 Am cool rainy day, I'm getting ready to go out for a Midday hog hunt, see you guys later   :bigsmyl:  

Manny
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: NorthShoreLB on February 10, 2006, 01:49:00 PM
Huntable transition area, trail coming up from a deep valley towards the bedding area on the other side of the ridge

 (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/woods/DSCF0026.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 10, 2006, 01:53:00 PM
That will be a morning trail Manny if your discription is correct. That also is an absolutely perfect place to use a redirecting log jam. Id personally hang a tree stand close to the downwind side of the trail, lay a log across the trail which would force the hog into a 1/4ing position form me. Id place two or three drops of vanilla or anice on the end of the log so they'd stop and sniff. Crack! Thats the arrow sound against a stout shoulder! Get em Boy!
You need to set a cheap trail timer a few nights consecutive and determine their travel times. We'll cover trail timers in awhile.


After reading what I have posted and what was also mentioned about baiting not working around a wallow, I think I'll expand.

Don't confuse a bedding depression in the dirt with a "hog wallow" along the waters edge. These are entirely different things all together. The bedding area and the depressions are made while the pigs are resting. These generally are on more solid ground that holds moisture as well. The "hog wallows" along waters edges are made for entirely different reasons and simply occur at random. A hog may have been running by and simply decided to cool hisself or to put on a layer of mud as a insect repellent. This is only a sign that a hog has once been here, not that he frequents the area often. It is important to know the difference. Of course if there is only one pond in a five mile radius, you can probably rest assured that a hog will be along soon to hit the pond again. The main thing is to find the bedding areas in close proximity. Pigs sometime have multiple bedding areas and seem to use them a few days and move on, returning a few days later depending on hunting pressure, etc... CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Joe D on February 10, 2006, 09:54:00 PM
Curtis......good stuff!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Missouri CK on February 10, 2006, 10:05:00 PM
They don't call you "Hog Killer Extraordinaire" for nothing! Great thread CK.  

I'm not sure what Curtis is better at....killing hogs himself or helping someone else to get a chance at a one.

I'd say all the generous information provided on this thread illustrates that perfectly
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Islandlongbow on February 11, 2006, 03:07:00 AM
Great information Curtis.
In my area I've found when hunting herd hogs you dont shoot the dominate sow. With out her leadership there will be confusion in the group. Making it tuff to predicate herd movements until a new leader takes over.

Jerry
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 11, 2006, 08:18:00 AM
Thanks. I appreciate the support....

Jerry, I've found that when hogs have a daily routine and I interrupt it by shooting "any" hog from the group, they immediately change routine. They do sometime return to the old routine but it takes weeks sometime.

Determining when hogs are moving:Like I've already mentioned, the hogs around me are generally on a routine. The only thing that really changes is the times their routines take place. Im not sure what generates the changes in feeding times, etc. but it definitely is something that happens. I've suspected moon phases play an important part of things but have not really spent any time testing my theory. I really have had no need to test moon phases because I can use a $2.00 trail timer.

Trail Timer construction and use
Here is south Texas we have stores called Dollar General. You can buy most things in these stores for a dollar. Go in and pick up a wrist watch or as mentioned already, a battery operated alarm clock. I personally use a wrist watch. You will want to purchase the cheapest wind-up watch you can get. The way to use it is to pull out the set mechanism and tie a piece of dental floss around it. Set the watch to the correct time and strap the watch to a small tree on one side of the trail and string the dental floss across the trail and tie it off. As the hogs run through, the dental floss pulls the set mechanism out on the watch, stopping the time.  The battery operated alarm clock would work the same way but would pull a battery free to stop the clock. You will need to do this several nights consecutive to get a good feel of the time they travel the trail.

Setting the unit: You should easily be able to tell the general size of the hogs using the trail by looking at the hoof tracks on the trails or at fence crossings. This will give you the estimated height to set your timer. If you set it too low a coon or other animal may trip the timer. Also, deer and other animals may walk through the timer so be sure to set it several times to get a good indication of times of travel. Also, keep a keen eye on the tracks left by the animals tripping the timer. If it keeps getting tripped between 8-9:00pm, Id say it's probably hogs(watch the tracks). If the time starts varying really wildly, Id say you better just go sit and watch all night one night. CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: mo bo hunter on February 11, 2006, 08:50:00 AM
how far as a general rule is a bedding spot from ahog wallo thereis about 52 rubs and hog wallos every where around this little pond
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 11, 2006, 09:03:00 AM
Sounds like you've found a hot spot! I don't think there is any set distance to a bedding area. Heck, you may have found one. I'd suspect that your area is getting hit in the day time when the weather is warmer. Just my guess. Is there any trails leading into the area? Hogs will travel cattle trails frequently. Also remember, hogs will hit an area occasionally for several days consecutive then move on, only to return again for several days later. It's hard for me to determine what is happening when I've not hunted hogs in your area. Id start by looking at the freshness of the wallers. If the wallers are being made daily, start a trail timer. If it's an occasional, random thing, I'd start the baiting/scents in the area and continue freshening them every few days. This should eventually generate a routine for the hogs. Spread bait evenly. Never pile bait or place thick in any area. It needs to be spread evenly and thinly across an area. If you pile up bait, the hogs in my area will totally avoid it. They know something is wrong with the situation. For about a $6 investment in corn(sour or plain) and a wrist watch for a trail timer you should get it worked out in a couple of weeks. Keep us informed. CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: beyondmyken on February 11, 2006, 12:11:00 PM
Howe sensitive are hogs to a pop up ground blind?  Specifically, can you set one up that afternoon and hunt that night?
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 11, 2006, 02:11:00 PM
I've had very mixed results. I do believe the mixed results were more due to a new smell than actual sight of the blind. I'm still doing lots of testing with the pop-up blinds. They are very new to me. One thing I have learned is that an open window on the blind creates a "black hole" that really seems to upset game. Id suggest brushing over the windows a bit it nothing else. Better yet, if you have plenty of room inside to draw your bow, use the shoot through window coverings and set the blind in the brush where it's available. CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: gregg dudley on February 11, 2006, 08:10:00 PM
My hog hunting has been limited to this past season.  I managed to kill a gilt that weighed @ 100 pounds with a 3 yard shot in heavy briars.  We had busted a lot of pigs up and were trying to stalk the singles and lucked up.  As many pigs as there were, I assumed that we would be killing pigs all year.  Wrong.

We managed to kill only one more hog (my 8 year old with a rifle) that was also spot and stalk after we had seen a large group from a treestand.  There continued to be hog sign all over the place, but we saw hogs on only five total occassions.

Granted, we did not actively pursue them because we did not want to mess up our deer hunting opportunities and only hunted them on an  incidental basis.

Some facts:  The property is 525 acres and mostly rectangular in shape.  There are two ponds and a creek on the property.  THe creek is literally eat up with hog sign.  There is no sign at all on the ponds.  The cotton fields had a lot of sign (wallows, droppings) on the edges.  We only saw one lone hog (big boar)crossing a field in daylight hours. Baiting is not legal.

I have heard that the farmer will be planting peanuts next year instead of cotton. DO you think there may be more daytime activity in or around the fields with a peanut crop?
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 12, 2006, 08:17:00 AM
From what I've seen, Peanuts are the best food crop available for hogs. When peanuts are planted around here they never make it to harvest. Hogs literally won't leave a peanut in the field. Sorry, I;ve only known them to hity the fields at night.

What's wrong with night hunting. I SHOT TWO IN THE MOONLIGHT LAST NIGHT! LOL!
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: beyondmyken on February 12, 2006, 08:27:00 AM
Well, I went out on my first hog hunt last night.  Had 1 come in near the feeder about 8 pm from the northeast and snuffle around but it was partly cloudy and all I could see was a black shadow moving in the shadows so to speak.  Thus no shot opportunity even though it was only about 15 yards away from my ground blind.  What a rush to be that close in the dark!  Another hog came in from the same direction and they both just ambled away to the west.  I had the wind direction but they may have come in the way I walked in. Why does anyone think they did not go to the feeder?  Of course the clouds parted about 5 minutes after they left and I could see great then.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 12, 2006, 08:35:00 AM
Fantastic! Now you can understand the rush of night hunting. Got your heart crankin didn't it!! Hogs seem to have an extra sence. Sometime they just know your there. If you are going to be serious about hogs, use all the same "no-scent" tactics as you would with wiley ol whitetails. Try them several nights consecutive and you'll get one. The moon is absolutely perfect right now. They came in at the time I see them all the time around here. between 8-9:00pm seems to be the magic hour. The ones I shot last night were shot at 9:05pm.. Keep after them. You'll get one! CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Stalker58 on February 12, 2006, 08:42:00 AM
WOW!
I never knew there was so much to hog hunt'n.
This is great.I'm save'n this thred!
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Mike Byrge@home on February 12, 2006, 08:55:00 AM
One thing I've notice about pigs, whether it's  free-ranging South Texas pigs, or "game farm" pigs, is that they'll usually give you a 40-50 yard distance without just completely leaving the area even if they know you are there or "sense" something isn't right.

I've spent hours trying to close on pigs like this and have never been successful.

I'm not good at slipping up on them and I'm learning that if I see a pig, or pigs, and I'm downwind to just sit tight and hope the work in my direction instead of slipping in and blowing my cover.

My experience is with pigs that have only been bowhunted..I'm sure if I was somewhere where they had been gun hunted it would be different.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Mike Byrge@home on February 12, 2006, 09:02:00 AM
I've got a question for you experience pig hunters?

Do pigs see colors better than deer...I've noticed several times lately that pigs have seen me even when I'm in good cover and being still.  My hunting arrows have pink and yellow feathers and they really "stand out" in dark woods.

I went to a local pig-hunting outfit yesterday mostly just to take pictures and I had several pigs look straight at me and "stop" even though I was in good cover and being still.  I had my bow leaning on a tree next to me and my arrows were in plain view.

These pigs have been on this place since last summer and have not been hunted at all...at least not on this place anyway.  Most were trapped and brought in.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Charlie Lamb on February 12, 2006, 09:15:00 AM
Mike...I've come to believe that a pigs eye sight has been under rated.
Like most animals, movement is key to getting busted... but good camo practices are as important with pigs as other critters.

Who knows what an animal really sees anyway? Better safe...!  ;)
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Ray Hammond on February 12, 2006, 03:39:00 PM
On the place I hunt in South Carolina, the average adult sow probably weighs between 125 lbs and 150 lbs...they get a lot bigger though.

Boars, 200 lbs is normal if they get the chance to live long enough..350 is a bruiser..top end..well above normal

Here is a shot of a decent pig(ugly, but decent size)

 (http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e322/rayhammond123/hickoryuglyhog.jpg)


Here is a shot of the biggest sow we ever ran across there..so big we thought it was a boar..in high brown grass rooting, couldnt see that it was a dry sow...467 lbs

 (http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e322/rayhammond123/mikeshog.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: the Ferret on February 12, 2006, 05:41:00 PM
Dang Ray that sow is a HORSE (pun intended)
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Stalker58 on February 12, 2006, 05:41:00 PM
Ray,
What part of SC,were you in?
I'll be in fairfax,about 1hr south east of Savanna.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: beyondmyken on February 12, 2006, 05:57:00 PM
How about using solar powered dusk to dawn yard LED lights, the kind that light up pathways?  They give off a soft light with bluish tint.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: NorthShoreLB on February 12, 2006, 07:55:00 PM
As someone mentioned before, you have to be able to loose an arrow without notice, espetially hunting solitary boars, I always have an arrow on the string while snaking around the woods, they can appear out of nowere, and you have to be ready to make a moving shot, because they seldom stand still.

I couple of times I left my guard down, and boom, a beautifull boar appears from nowere, and of course that split second chance was gone before I could recover.


.....This is by no means a proof, but the hogs That I shot with selfbows hardly run away, a couple, after the arrow pass tru, kinda just stumble around and layed down in sigth,even shot as close as 10 yards,... all the ones shot with a glass bow took of in a hurry, making the trailing considerably harder.

Noise matters  :bigsmyl:  

Manny
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Charlie Lamb on February 12, 2006, 08:17:00 PM
Taking advantage of a green "night light" in one of Curtis' hog patches, I shot this little red hog one night in south Texas.
  (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/Texaskneelinghog.jpg)

Night hunting is a total blast and a little surreal!
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: tms on February 12, 2006, 11:39:00 PM
Hey Curtis,

All this talk about how nocturnal hogs are, has got me a little worried.  I'm going on my first hog hunt with the Wensels in a week.  By the end of my week, it'll be dark of the moon.  I'm beginning to think that I chose the wrong week.

As the moon wanes do hogs become more dinural, or am I just out of luck?

Tom
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Roughcountry on February 13, 2006, 10:05:00 AM
Never hunted hogs, been soaking all this info up.

Thanks Ck, and the rest of you for puttin all the info out  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 13, 2006, 10:17:00 AM
Eyesight- This is something I've seen time and time again. HOGS SEE!!!!! I can'yt tell you what it is that a hog sees when he sees but I can tell you that I have had far more hogs bust me by sight than I've ever thought about with deer. I don't think they see details but they definitely spot movment far better than any deer I've ever seen. I can make slow movments around deer but wouldn't think of moving a finger in front of an allert hog.

Lights- Hogs will get used to any spectrum of light over a period of time. If lights come on every night, hogs will get used to them quite soon. If you are cole calling a hunt location, don't try just any old light. The only ones I've seen work cole calling are green lights. Red lightswork too but only when used in spotlighting situations. From what I've seen myself, hogs can actually see red light.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: trashwood on February 13, 2006, 11:31:00 AM
have waited a while to post this.  I it could be pretty conterversial but .........   for years I had been hearing stories about pigs shot in the hams that had short recoveriers, much better recovery than liver shot pigs.  I had perosnally experienced this a couple  of times.  a pigs engine is the back end.  the hams are loaded with vascularization.  this is a good spanish that Curtis talked about.  I put my ham shot theroy to the test on this old fellow with a very sharp woodsman.  bow is 65# at my draw.  had the BH hanging out the off ham.  best blood trail i ever had on a hog.  i let the hog go for about an hour. he went about 100yds i guess.  had a fair blood trail to fellow.  I'm not sawing that a ham shot is a good shot but it is sumpin to think aoubt.       :)      

       (http://www.trashwoodbow.com/abobows/spanish1.jpg)

       (http://www.trashwoodbow.com/abobows/spanish2.jpg)

ya can tell from the teeth that he was an ole geezer.  he was on the way down.  still came in at 174#.

rusty
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: trashwood on February 13, 2006, 11:33:00 AM
now don't bust my chops to badly.  I'm just teliing ya experience I've gathered, right or wrong  :)

rusty
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 13, 2006, 11:38:00 AM
I spoke in depth with Dr Ed Ashby about this very subject Rusty. I'd always had no good to say about shooting the hams till our conversation. I learned that the shot was a favorite of Fred Bears on certain animals. This pic which you see on the other thread proved the theory but totally by accident. I thought this hog was facing me in the moonlight. I put one through his brisket only to find later that I actually put it through the opposite end. Hell of a blood trail.

  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/Littlefeather/IMG_0114.jpg)

As you can see, in one end and out the other. CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: trashwood on February 13, 2006, 11:48:00 AM
way to go.  the stories I had heard and the experience I had were by accident too.  This is the only hog I shot in the hams on purpose.  It worked out that time.  sitll can not say it is truly a good idea.  going to put it to the test again.

rusty
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: trashwood on February 13, 2006, 11:57:00 AM
btw did Ashby mention if hogs were one of the aminals that it was fair to use the ham shot on?

rusty
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 13, 2006, 12:19:00 PM
Fair? LOL! Im not going to speak for the good Doc but if there was ever an animal it would be fair on it would have to be hogs. I was totally amazed at the blood trail. I've heard multiple stories about Fred using the shot due to the incredible vascular system in the back legs. CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Charlie Lamb on February 13, 2006, 12:22:00 PM
I've had real poor luck with shoulder shootin Javelina and was thinking about this same thing. (probably shot the Javies too high)

On one of my early Javelina hunts I noticed that all the Javies shot in the back end (by accident by the way) were recovered with profuse blood trails and short recovery distance.
Couldn't say that for the shoulder hits made by the group.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 13, 2006, 01:41:00 PM
TMS, To answer your question about the hunt you are going on. Im sure the Wensels have a line on a really good ranch. Im not sure because this is the first year. Im just going to speak in broad generalizations here. When hunting game ranches you must understand that the quary you are hunting is aware it is being hunted. Thats why guys have been there before you, right? Like I said in a prior post, hogs that have had their routine interrupted by having another family member shot will generally change their routine. If the animal was shot at a feeder, do you think it made an impact on the survivors? Do you think hogs will remember and be much more wary if they ever do return to the feeder?

The fact that this is the Wensels first year down here tells me the hunt should be a real good one for awhile. The more hunters, the more educated the animals will become. Once they've figured out when they are seeing the most human activity they will alter their routine. This is especially true of the Commercial Ranches you are always seeing advertized. I've been on those type ranches where you are constantly finding someone elses arrows around the ranch. You'll notice immediately that the animals you do actually see are so jumpy you could never accurately hit one. They are riding lightning all the time, living in terror of where the next arrow is comming from. These animals are driven into nocturnalism. These are the places you will want to concentrate on hunting strictly nights. Sorry, the full moon or lights are a requirment.

Your best bet is to hunt well away from feeders if many guys have traversed the ranch prior to your arrival. Actually the hunters there before you can provide you with the best info available. Ask where guys have been seeing the most game "away" from the feeders. Id also highly recommend you hunt the washes leading into pond areas. Hogs love to hit the mud in the evenings! Good luck on your hunt. CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: beyondmyken on February 13, 2006, 08:02:00 PM
Thought I would keep this one near the top.  Thank you all that have posted.  I am soaking it all in.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: swampbiologist on February 14, 2006, 10:17:00 AM
Littlefeather, you are absolutely correct! Hogs have two litters a year and can DOUBLE their population in 6 months! Deer have 2 fawns per year on good habitat. Hogs can have 10 or so pigs with usually 5 or so surviving. This means that 1 sow can put 10 or so more hogs on the habitat per year. Do the math!
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Brandon on February 14, 2006, 10:33:00 AM
Hello all,
Here in East Texas we too a experiencing an epedimic. A standing rule on our lease is to shoot EVERY hog. They have absolutly destroyed our pastures, torn up feeders, etc.. It is so bad here that I hear rumors of a bounty being reinstated for each pig killed. We trap them spotlight them & continue to hunt them over bait. Seeing what a herd of 40 - 50 hogs can do to a food plot over night may change your mind about shooting sows. Not saying it aint fun cause it is. However the land owner requests that they all be killed so we try and keep him happy we do our best.

Just my 2 cents

Brandon   :archer:
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: citori on February 14, 2006, 10:44:00 AM
I have a question about baiting.   I put out a feeder made with ADS flexable pipe.  I then put a cap on the end and put about 8 holes in it and wired it to a tree.  I saw it on the net and it is supposed to make the bait last longer.  I also dug a hole @ 2 feet deep and filled it with corn.  It has been out for about 6 weeks and the hogs have not hit it yet. I also put out peanut butter in the area to try to use the scent to attract attention. This bait is in an area with a pond where they have wallowed and rubbed trees.  I wonder why they have not hit it yet?  THe 3 thickets that they bed in are all within a 1/4 mile or less and there are tracks and rubbing all in the area.  My only guess is that there are to many acorns.......we had a HUGE crop of them this year.

Would I be better off putting the feeder right on the edge of the thicket?

We also located come tracks this past weekend that are VERY large to me.  One set is about the size of a skoal can or a little larger and the other is unreal.....it is closer to an orange than a skoal can.  What would be your guess as to the size of hog these belong to???

thoughts and ideas
citori
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Terry Green on February 16, 2006, 02:26:00 PM
Curtis gave me the OK to open this thread back up.  It may have its run its course, but maybe some others just might add their techniques to this informative thread, or have a few more questions. I think its at least worth a shot.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on February 16, 2006, 02:29:00 PM
Curtis, I don't know if I've told you this before, but you sir have my utmost respect. I greatly admire your ability to stand up for your decisions. Thank you for the inspiration.

Guys, here's someone who's going through a lot of work to try and make hog hunting more productive and enjoyable. He's not trying to sell this hard won information, he's giving it freely. Don't bite the hand that feeds you pork.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: bluegrassbowhunter on February 16, 2006, 02:42:00 PM
Real good thread...keep on going with it...
Curtis,i hear that horne brushbow you've got shoots some serious smoke......
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Ted on February 16, 2006, 03:49:00 PM
Yahooo!!  I am very glad to see this opened up again.  I am relatively new to hog hunting and I have been soaking up ALL of this info like a sponge.  Thanks Troy and Curtis for presenting both sides to a controversial issue and thanks again for sharing so many hard earned insights - I am a better hog hunter due to your generous sharing.

Ted
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: swampbiologist on February 16, 2006, 03:55:00 PM
Thanks Curt for reopening this thread. There is too much information here to let it die. Down south here, hoggin' is wide open since deer season is now over. Things are calming down and hogs will have to hustle a bit more to fill the viod and there are plenty of hogs that need killin'! Go get 'um guys and gals!
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: southpawshooter on February 16, 2006, 03:56:00 PM
Awesome!!! Thanks for opening the thread back up and allowing us 'newbie' hog hunters learn from more experienced folks     :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: gregg dudley on February 16, 2006, 04:28:00 PM
Good move to open this thead up.  Good information here.  Let the lessons resume!
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Tradesmen4 on February 16, 2006, 05:14:00 PM
All this information is going to cost me money. Now I want to go shoot a bunch of hogs. Thanks Curtis keep it coming!!!!!!
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 16, 2006, 06:06:00 PM
Dabble, dabble, dabble(toes touching the water)......The heart is warm but the water is a tad cold. Im gonna rest tonight gang. Just a tad rung-out at the moment.

Like I said at the beginning of the thread, there's a hand full of full blown pig killers round this site that could be sharing their info too. I kinda feel like I've been on stage alone so far. The fact is that we all hail from different states where laws are different and peoples upbringings mandate their own techniques. That spawns different feeling about techniques as well. Not to mention legalities  :scared:  . Of course I think I've said that after posting many things so far.  The fact is, you've only heard "my" techniques, developed in deep south Texas. I feel I must be truthful and open if I am going to be able to share. Truthfullness keeps getting me in jams. Everything I've said so far is legal here so understand that up front. Im not advocating bait, or night hunting or anything else if it is not legal where you live. "My" successes are based on the whole spectrum mentioned above. Sorry if theat breaks ethics. Once again, Ethics are all together a different subject. I'll drop by tomorrow and see how things are progressing. Good evening gang! Rest well! CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: trashwood on February 16, 2006, 07:29:00 PM
well for better or worse let me tell ya the story of a BIG red pig and Wingnut.  I was hunting swamp rabbits down in the boggy bottoms
when I first spotted Rojo Grande.  He was by my guess the biggest feral pig I had seen.  Wingnut (my hunting partner) had never shot a pig
and had a real hankering to do just that.  I called him on the phone to see if he is interested.....he was, real interested    :)  

I went down to the boggy bottoms the next day to kinda get thelay of Rojo's lair.  I saw him agian but stayed well out of his way. the next day Mike (wingnut) came out to look the situation over. While we were looking around we stumbled on to Rojo again.

Rojo didn't give us any ground at all.  Stood his ground a sent nasty pig challanges our way.  Wingnut had just unstrung his bow, I still
had my strung.  Rojo was beded down in tall grass in an open spot as they often will during the day.  He hauled butt to the edge of the
thick stuff and there he told us what he thought of us and what  he was gonna do if we came into his kingdom.  I got a shot at him
but it was sent haywire by a mesqute limb.  I was glade really cause I thought this would be a great pig opener for Wingnut

round 1 goes to Rojo Grande
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: trashwood on February 16, 2006, 07:34:00 PM
The next day Mike comes by and we take 100# of corn, tree stand, and some strap on steps to rojo's place.  We found a tree in a good spot to put the stand in, and put the stand and steps up.  We scattered 25# of corn out in a good area for a shot.  

I can't remember if it was the next day are the day after the Wingnut made it back to our pig sit up.  Rojo had been feasting well but was a no show that day as I remember.  Wingnutty put out some more corn.

Rusty
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: beachbowhunter on February 16, 2006, 07:35:00 PM
Holy Hogbreath Batman, this thread is about to head into Trashwood Country! Cant wait for Round 2....
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: wingnut on February 16, 2006, 07:45:00 PM
Man I remember that day like it was yesterday.  I'd just put my bow in the Jeep unstrung when all heck broke loose and a red VW Bus came out of the tall grass and headed for the trees.  I remember looking at my little 50# BBO and saying I gotta get more bow.  He wasn't holding his ground like Rusty said, He was coming, slow steady and with attitude.  I was yelling at Rusty to shoot, not to kill it but maybe to turn it til I got in the Jeep.

Rojo Grande was a very big pig.

Ok more story

mike
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: trashwood on February 16, 2006, 08:07:00 PM
After the first day on the stand with all the corn gone, Mike set the stand for two days running without a sign of hide nor hair of Rojo.  I was going to go in the third morning a set the stand.  I got there a bit late and Rojo Grande was in on the corn.  I backed off the stand without bothering him and called Mike.  Mike went that afternoon.  When I got off work I went to the stand to try to sneek in   and get some video......I was too late but I'm gonna let Mike pick up the story here.  Rojo Grande! We luv you  :)   all 400# of ya (give or take a pound or two)

rusty
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Doc Nock on February 16, 2006, 08:16:00 PM
Does my sagging cranal synapse tell me I read this story some years back?  If so, it's like all the TV shows now...favorite re-run times. I can't wait to hear this even if it's the 2nd time...shoot, I can't recall what I had for breakfast..let alone rmember a story in detail!
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: wingnut on February 16, 2006, 08:33:00 PM
The first couple times in the stand were nerve wracking.  I wanted a pig in the worst way but wasn't real sure about a pig that big.  I mean I'm a big guy and this pig was bigger.

Anyway I sat and waited and waited and waited.

Finally Rusty called and said Rojo was back and that he was on the bait that am.  I was only hoping he didn't clean up the 100# I had thrown out.  After all he cleaned up a 40# bag the first night.

At about 4:00 I slipped into the stand and started the vigil.  Birds were churping and squirrels running to and fro.  Then all went quiet.  I'm thinking theres a bear coming then remembered that I was in Texas not Canada.  And this bear might have been a bigger challenge.

Then about 100 yds out I see him.  Dang he's kinda big and he just start grunting and coming right in.  I could tell he was used to having his way anywhere he went.

He seemed to sense that something was wrong and spent the first 10 minutes eating while facing me.  He kept looking but not up at me but rather past me and behind.  later I would find out that Rusty was trying to sneak in to video.

Finally he shifted and offered a broadside.  I had decided that I only wanted a quartering away shot.  but my nerves were shot and I had a lot of bow.  I was shooting my 60# Sley LB with tapered maple arrows weighing nearly 800 gr and woodsman BH.

Any way as he turned I picked a spot tight to the elbow and drew.  The arrow hit with a smack and seemed to slow down but continues to penetrate.

Now most animals shot, run and die.  Not Rojo, he turned towards me and ran over under my stand.  The stand was only 8 ft up so he was close.

He stood under me and called me everything he could think of.  I then saw the arrow sticking out both sides with blood pouring down the shaft.

I knew he was done. . .but he didn't.

Finally after a good minute of cussing me, he turned and started off.  As he went between two trees the arrow caught on both sides and I heard it break.  This set him off again, he turned back and started the string of pig cussing again.

He repeated the sequence three times. On the fourth turn back, I saw his feet go up in the air and all was quiet.

I know I was going to go check him alone so I backed out and went to call Rusty.  When I got to the truck I was surprised to see the Jeep parked behind it.  I tried the radios with no answer and then called his cell.

He answered and was whispering, I said where are you.  And he said right behind you.  I said Iwas at the truck and that Rojo grande was no mas.

He came a running and we jumped around and hooted and hollored before we went back to find him.

It took a few minutes but Rusty finally said, Here he is and there is no ground shrinkage.

I got there and was impressed.  We tried to drag him intact the 40 yds to the skid road.  We couldn;'t get 4 ft.  so we decided to field dress him then move him.  We got 10 ft.  so I decided to make a 4x4 road to him.  that worked until we tried to get him in the truck.  I would pay to see that video.  it took nearly an hour to get him up there.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: wingnut on February 16, 2006, 08:35:00 PM
Anyway here a couple of pics of Rojo.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/pighunt%202005/rojo1.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/pighunt%202005/Mikehog_2.jpg)

Now we didn't have a scale big enough but in comparison, I'm 6'4 and weigh 285

Mike
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: trashwood on February 16, 2006, 09:22:00 PM
I figure I can outshoot Wingnut if I just practice a bit......at the 3D range.  Wingnut has got sumpin I don't have though.  When the pressure is really on, adrenaline spiking, ya just pushed all your poker chips in the pile...Wingnut is cool.  He is a much better game shot than I am.....oh yeah, that is when it counts.  Just to show ya that all Texas boyz don't shoot pig in the butt...here is mike's shot

   (http://www.trashwoodbow.com/files/rojo3.jpg)

keep in mind with this shot the pig still lived several minutes (guess on my part but three laps to tell Mike what he thought of him)

rusty
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Horne's Archery on February 16, 2006, 09:24:00 PM
Wow Mike,that is one hose hog.Rusty might have mesed you up,it will be hard to top that hog.
I think Ill hunt with Rusty.What was his number again.

Mark
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: hogzndogz on February 16, 2006, 09:38:00 PM
Wingnut was armed with the dreaded Sley Bow. No greater pig killing device has been invented. They are born with major pig killing mojo. Congrats and great story.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: trashwood on February 16, 2006, 09:40:00 PM
LOL, Mark there is black and white sow down there that looks like a '60 VW bettle.  I think she will out weigh Rojo pretty easily.  I have take 3 or 4 of her 50-60# offspring.  she is just too big for me.  may take all three of us to get her in the freezer.

Now here is reasons for the way we hunted Rojo.  The area is a very good area to spot and stalk so why did we bait him.  well first of all he had shown himself to be pretty aggersive if not real aggersive.  Either Wingnut or I would be hunting the stand alone.  If I had couple more guys close around to help drag my body off I might have given stalking him a try. Another thing is on a pig that big I wanted Mike to have the best shot he could possible get.  If Rojo ran off to the boggy bottoms I don't think we would have ever found him.

I have taken several spot and stalk pigs from the area but I made sure they were in the 50-60#  range.  I can carry them out by myself and I have not found them particuarly hard to stop.  

As I commented to Mark there is one big sow down there and tracks of other prety big pigs.  They have not been hunted by anybody but me for the last 12 yrs.  they don't fear man too much and ain't gonna put up with any of his stuff.

I have found  true feral hogs to be more aggressive than the spanish hogs are....and they can be a lot bigger.

rusty
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: trashwood on February 16, 2006, 09:47:00 PM
here is a real good tip for ya that Wingnut taught me.  I could not figure out why in the world (except for bear) we were in such a hurry to get elk meat boned down and cool.  Heck fire the tempeartue is below freezing.  Well Wingnut told me about bone sour???  I had never heard of it before.  On big aminals the meat next the bone can taint from the body heat before the cold has time to reach it.  the trick is to get he meat in smaller piece so it can cool properly.

when he told me about this I tought about all the "big" pig I had eaten that was less the delightful.  Well Wingnut used the same process Rojo.  Got him boned and on ice in less than 1&1/2 hours.  Rojo was the best wild hog meat I have eaten.  I figure the same thing can happen to a big pig as an elk and to make it worse we don't have the sub-20 degree temps to help it at all.

So if ya take a big pig and want it to be table fare, ya might put the Wingut process to work.  get in boned into smaller piece and on ice.

rusty
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Horne's Archery on February 16, 2006, 10:11:00 PM
Well Rusty Im ready when you are,just let me air up the tires on my bike.
You are right on getting the big ones apart as soon as posible.They do spoil from the bone out just like Elk.

 Mark
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: trashwood on February 16, 2006, 10:47:00 PM
Yep Docnoc it was a re-run.  Wingnut took Rojo 2 yrs ago.  As you know baiting is legal in Texas but often questioned for it ethics.  I think Rojo is a good example of a mono a mono hunt when baiting  (but maybe ethical by my standards only) is a legitiment means of hunting (well I think it is all the time if legal but i don't think it is always the most successful way to hunt).  We were not bait casting try to draw any shot in.  we were after one particular animal and in this case I chose what I thought to be the most effective (and safest for mike and I) startegy.

Oddly enough even though baiting is legal in Texas I very seldom use it and in general find that in whitetail hunting it leads to more loss than non-baiting methods.

DISCALIMER! please understand the opinions about baiting are mine.  I am not tring to talk you into anything or tring to change your mind if you feel baiting is not an ethical means of hunting.  I respect ya for your opinion. the point I want to make is that if ya do use some kinda bait for pig hunting, ya still need to do your scouting and homework.  When that is done ya still have to put your time in the stand in and make your shot count    :)    

rusty
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: NorthShoreLB on February 17, 2006, 12:27:00 AM
It was a plesant surprise to come back from work tonite and see this thread up top again.

good decision Curtis, class is open   :bigsmyl:  

Manny
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 17, 2006, 05:58:00 AM
Cool! Good to hear the story again. I have a couple of questions that I think will help here.
One thing I've found with every really big boar is that they generally place their lair very close to water. If I remember correctly Rojo was not close to water. Please tell the lay of the terrain. Was he bedding on a rise or in a wash. How was he facing when he bedded? What was beside him and around him? Did he have an escape route or was he backed up to a wall of brush? If you'd have been armor plated, could you have approached him for a shot or was he so well protected that you'd have surely been seen and eaten? Do you remember how much bone/shield was encountered on the shot? What was your general feelings about your gear selection after seeing the results? And the last question is, Can I come hunt the really big Sow with Mark? LOL! Thanks for adding your imput guys! CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on February 17, 2006, 07:47:00 AM
CK, wingnut and Rusty;   :thumbsup:  

Thanks
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: wingnut on February 17, 2006, 08:07:00 AM
Curtis,

C - If I remember correctly Rojo was not close to water.

M - Actually he was very close to the river.  We busted him outta his bed about 50 ft from the river in 4 ft high grass.  

C - Please tell the lay of the terrain. Was he bedding on a rise or in a wash. How was he facing when he bedded?

M - It is a fairly steep river bank with a bench on it.  He liked the bench.  River behind him wind in his face, with escape to the trees on both sides.

C - If you'd have been armor plated, could you have approached him for a shot or was he so well protected that you'd have surely been seen and eaten?

I don't think we could have hunted him in his bed, but if we could find where he was eating we might have been able to stalk him.  This is very thick brush and the pigs in there tend to brush up near the river.  Hard to get around, but not impossible

C- Do you remember how much bone/shield was encountered on the shot?

M - At the penetration point there was just over an inch of shield, both in and out.  I wanted an exit wound real bad and had just enough bow to do it.  If I were to do it again, I would wait for the 1/4 shot and angle it in.

C - And the last question is, Can I come hunt the really big Sow with Mark?

M - Nope!!  You can come hunt the big un with Mark, Wingnut and Rusty.  That is if Rusty will video it.

Mike
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 17, 2006, 09:36:00 AM
Wow, that's really cool! That is exactly what I encounter with every dominant Boar.

The dominant boars always seem to cover their axx with water. Actually I find that they like water on several sides where they can find it. If you find an L shaped pond, they'll be in the L every time. Facing the wind while he slept though. Humm? This does somewhat contradict what I've seen. I see them face down-wind mostly using the wind to carry scent from behind them. I believe they think they cover themselves two ways like that. They can see downwind and smell what is approaching from behind. Something like that anyway. Just my beliefs.

You also confirmed what I thought about approaching him while bedding. Those big ones don't make too darn many mistakes. Normally you don't get a second chance to find him in the same spot once he knows you found his lair. Yall done good getting that hog! I think baiting way your ticket on this particular hog.

So, you felt good about the bow/arrow combo. You said 800 grains? Pretty heavy for the bow weight wouldn't ya say? I do agrees with the extreem heavy thought process for the record.

Did this hog demonstrate any characteristics that you've seen before or was this particular hog demonstrating something unique to you. Just trying to assertain some pattern here. I think now that you've brought up Rojo we can go back to the beginning at look at the differences in what was said about the general differences in herd hogs and dominant hogs. Also, we can look back at bedding patterns, etc.

Bedded on a slight ridge, adjacent to water and facing ? direction at what time of day?

Yea, what time of day did you catch him napping again? Which way was he facing in relation to the 4 axis's? CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: trashwood on February 17, 2006, 10:17:00 AM
Curtis - well the "L" you discribe fits better than you think.  the river runs east and west here.  we were hunt the north side of the river (prerevlent south wind).  the river is in a sharp bend right where we were and Rojo was bedded down right at the bottom of the bend.  

nothing could apporach Rojo from the river, so he only had one directtion to worry about.  15 yds on either side of his day bed is thick greenbriar, nasty nasty stuff.  he was on the high ground really.  both thick brushy side drop down into real boggy bottoms.

I don't know which way he was facing on his bed but as Mike desicred this day there was a north wide so he had the wind in his face and the river to his back, with a left and right escape route that would be real hard to follow.

I don't think I can compare the boggy bottoms pigs to other pigs I've taken becasue some of these pigs don't have any idea what a human is.  they have not been hunted at all except by coyotes.  

I guess the biggest difference on thinking aobut it is since they don't know to fear humans they are a little more aggressive than ranch pigs are.  'em dumb pigs (not!!!) think they own the place and gonna kick your skinny little hide out of their home   :)  

i think most ranch hogs have been human educated and react different to situations than these pigs might.  for example one time i was cutting down a bodark sucker to look up and see a sounder of pigs watching me curiously.  wonder what the heck that strange looking animal was doing   :)  

rusty
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: trashwood on February 17, 2006, 10:20:00 AM
BTW - i don't want any one to put me in the same class as Curtis, Womack, and others.  I am a pup running with the big dogs.  

Rusty -more luck than pig sense- Craine
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: trashwood on February 17, 2006, 10:28:00 AM
As for the big sow I've been wathcing, I have onlyh encounter her in the really thick stuff.  The first time she was in her brooding nest and real unhappy to see me.  Her nest though in really thick stuff was on a ridge between to boggy areas.  I really could not get a better lay of the area than that she was on the ridge.....i left post haste cause she sound like she was a coming my way quickly  :)

The other times she has still been in really tight stuff.  stuff is so thick with brair. brush and trees I can't figure out the lay of the land.

rusty
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 17, 2006, 10:45:00 AM
Sounds like the Sow would be a great group project. Maybe you should push her once and try and make out an escape route. Come back next week with some buddies and place them in the escape route, circle wide and push once again. Here is where the grunt call will also come into play. I'd love to go into her lair, find her bedded and give her an aggressive grunt sequence. If she's got young with her I think I can get her outta there. Grunt aggressively, breaking sticks and brush, followed immediately with a rabbit in distress call will bring her running and slobbering. You of course are gonna have to be in front of me to make the shot. I know Scifers will hold his ground if you ain't game! LOL!
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: trashwood on February 17, 2006, 11:16:00 AM
hey that sounds like a plan.  gotta to wait a little bit though.  right now there are two gas drilling projects going on that are changing things a bit.  soon as they are finished we'll work on it.

I admire ya guys that really get into a hunt.  alas that is not usually one of my qualities.  I take my bow, 2 pig arrows, 2 swamp rabbit arrow, 4 squirrel arrows.  If i find pigs, it's a pig hunt, swamp rabbit, it's a swamp rabbit hunt, IT IS always a squirrel hunt (no closed season in this area, thanks to the pecan growers).

when the gas projects are over we'll look into a sow hunt.

rusty
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: swampbiologist on February 17, 2006, 12:07:00 PM
In case anyone is interested or aware, there is a web site for the boar hunter magazine. As I reviewed it, it explained how the new Wild Boar Record Book will work. There is also information on potential dangers associated with chasing hogs. Just ignore all of the gun stuff that surrounds it. There is some good information here. The web site is: (www.boarhuntermagazine.com)
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: JC on February 17, 2006, 12:08:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by trashwood:
I admire ya guys that really get into a hunt.  alas that is not usually one of my qualities.  I take my bow, 2 pig arrows, 2 swamp rabbit arrow, 4 squirrel arrows.  If i find pigs, it's a pig hunt, swamp rabbit, it's a swamp rabbit hunt, IT IS always a squirrel hunt (no closed season in this area, thanks to the pecan growers).
Yer a feller after my own heart rusty...I like to hunt fer what I find   :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: swampbiologist on February 17, 2006, 12:13:00 PM
Rusty must have been a Boy Scout! Be Prepared! I like that attitude too.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: swampbiologist on February 17, 2006, 12:28:00 PM
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/Swampbiologist/11-11-05-1.jpg)
Here is what one of my hog hunting outings produced along the Coast after Hurricane Rita. Notice hanging over my left shoulder, a rabbit and the skull from a dead spike that I found. A Good Day because I was There!
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: trashwood on February 17, 2006, 01:18:00 PM
LOL - 'at a boy SwampB.  I like shooting my bow more than hunting and I like eating better than hunting.....so if i can eat it and it's in season...i shoot.

OK here is another myth (imho).  Highfences???

Dean, Lew, and I went to south texas for a pig hunt.  here is the layout.  285 acers highfenced with 80 pigs inside.  oh man like shooting fish in a barrel right??????  Nope We hunt hard for 4 days from light till dark.  I was on one stalk or another from dawn to I could not see.  I was running plumb out of adrenaline.  I'll bet I was on at least one stalk every hour I was hunting.  

Now Lew and Dean are good solid hunters.  Lew can bust blue rock ( i saw it happen time and time again after I missed     :)     ) at 20 yds with regularity.  

We each killed one pig.  not because we would  not have take more.  Our duty was to thin the herd     :)    .

So if ya get a chance to hunt pig in a high fence, don't feel to bad for the pigs.  they are fixing to make a fool out of ya     :)    ....and your hunting buds too.

our concessions to fairchase was that we would not hunt the feeder or water trough.   it was gonna be spot and stalk.  

BTW - Dean's shot was a thing of beauty.  at a running 70#er at 15+ yds clean the boiler room.

After my lessons with 80 pigs in 285 acers of highfence I wonder what the heck all the fuss was about.  All the highfence did was make it more exciting in my opinion.  it did not make it any easier to stalk within 15 yds of a pig.  in fact it might have made it harder.

rusty -never too old to change my mind when I find out the facts- Craine
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 17, 2006, 01:58:00 PM
High Fences?  :scared:  Wait a minute! I gotta get the strap tightened up on my crash helmet for this one.  :help:  


 Spot and stalk : Now here is my favorite of all the favorite methods for pig hunting. This most certainly will be different everywhere you will encounter hogs in the world. It's the terrain that will dictate your approach among wind direction and how you hold your mouth. LOL!

I generally have found most of my spot and stalk pigs in the last year to have occurred in the mid-day time frame. For some odd reason the pigs on one of my lease properties like to enter the wide open grasslands during the mid-day. I've found that short of belly crawling hundred of yards, the best approach has been to make a wide berth around the group till I reach a downwind location. I like to use the cover of dry creeks and tree lines for cover as I make my approach. Once I(if I make it) find a point of good visibility overlooking the hogs but remain hidden, I'll watch to assertain what direction they are feeding. As the pigs move along feeding, I get a better feel of where they are heading. Of course this is only one of a thousand case scenereo's(sp). I'll try and keep gaining a vantage and let em come to me if at all possible. I've been busted more times than I can count by pushing myself to gain ground. I've found that I generally am more successful if I employ just a tad of patience. Now, having said that, let me change the scenereo just a touch.

The hogs are in full view but are moving away and you have no choice but to gain ground or loose them. I'll try and move as their heads are down. There is always a few that are looking around so I try and either move or don't move. There just isn't really much middle ground here. Once I've closed the gap to a reasonalbe distance, I employ the "sneak-n-crawl". I've spoken about this in multiple threads. I drop all my gear, fanny pack, extra clothing, AND my quiver. If it has the possibility of making noise, I leave it behind while I close the final few yards. I generally will take only one arrow at this point. I like to make Ferrett proud sometime too! Here is where you make or break the hunt. Ya gotta move quick before they get your wind but you also have to demonstrate enough control not to bust the hunt yourself. Each stalk will be entirely different than any other. This is where real hunting between two opponents really comes into play. Be prepared to fail if you make this your choice technique. Hogs sences inside of bow range get really sharp. If you do fail, shake it off, smile at the moment you just shared and move along to the next opportunity. If hunting is strictly about fun for you, the spot and stalk is the ultimate ticket to the show. It truly is all about having a great time. CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: JC on February 17, 2006, 02:25:00 PM
I'm with you on the high fence Rusty, absolutely the most thrilling stalk of my life, all 6 hours of it, was for this herd boss goat at bugscuffle:  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v701/recurvhuntr/2004%20season/207961467cYwpsO_ph1.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: beachbowhunter on February 17, 2006, 02:26:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Littlefeather:
I'd love to go into her lair, find her bedded and give her an aggressive grunt sequence.
Valentines day was last week!   "[tunglaff]"
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Doc Nock on February 17, 2006, 02:34:00 PM
Rusty,
I'm so proud! Me remembering sumpin from 2 years?!  :eek:  

Guess that thing about half-heimers is true...long term memory lasts, short don't. Can't remember what/if I had for breakfast!

Great read even 2nd time around. I love that part of the pig cussin mikey...2 times! Blood just a pouring out... "c'mon down here coward and I'll shove that li'l stick poker of  yours where da sun don't shine!" (pig translation)

I think the best image for giggles was you two trying to load that big hog inta th truck!  :)
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: trashwood on February 17, 2006, 03:08:00 PM
dang that is just beautiful JC.  what a goat  :)

DocNock if Wingnut was not a strong as an ox "we" would never have got the pig  loaded in one piece  :)   I make sure my hunting buds are stronger, smarter and better hunters than I am before I go with 'em  :)


I just don't hunt big pigs anymore.  I like them purse size, think ya very much.  I hog tie all four their legs together and throw 'em over I shoulder and carry 'em out like a purse.  About 5 or 6 months after they lose their strips will do just fime for my macho image  :)

rusty -not too tall, not too smrat, but real tricky- Craine
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 17, 2006, 04:41:00 PM
Sweet Ram JC. Real nice!

Hey, didn't Guru kill a wopper hog a year or two ago. I wonder what the specifics were on location, bedding, hunt techniques, etc. Seems there may be a few things to learn from that big girl too. CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: JC on February 17, 2006, 04:47:00 PM
Sorry Curtis, didn't mean to highjack the thread about the ram, just hate people bashin high fences that haven't hunted em. You can tell by the lean in the trees, that is some rough country. And everything there is covered in something spiny or sharp whiterock.

Yeah, Guru did kill one that looked like VW bug was in his avatar I think before that hoss buck. Speak up Curt, school's still in session.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 17, 2006, 05:34:00 PM
Aww, I don't see a hijack. Nice ram though. I aint touchin the fence issue. Just techniques from here on out Bud. Just techniques!

You guys who've been emailing for info should start asking openly so that everyone gets to learn or share ideas. CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Scott G on February 17, 2006, 06:18:00 PM
Here's a question for you Curtis (I didn't email you with this question, but I was thinking about it).

When I hunt deer in Texas it's from a treestand and I try to do everything I can for scent control.  Clothes washed in no-scent detergent, Scott washed in no-scent soap, rubber boots, probably scent-loc if it isn't too dang hot, scent loc head mask whether it's too hot or not.

When your stalking hogs how much scent control do you personally use?
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: knife river on February 17, 2006, 09:11:00 PM
Thanks to all of you folks!  Curtis, especially!  Never thought much about hog hunting but it just went on my "must-do" list.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: beyondmyken on February 18, 2006, 12:33:00 AM
Ok, I am curious how many people use 2 vs 3 blade broadheads and what grains/lb.  I am thinking of some 2020s with 100gr inserts for about 650 grains with Wensel Woodsmans.  Shoots real nice out of my Fedora 54 lbs at 27 1/2 in long bow.  Does anyone carry 2 blade for 200 lbs on up pigs and 3 blade for smaller pigs?
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: trashwood on February 18, 2006, 01:24:00 AM
oh man I like the 2020 a lot. I shoot them out of a bit heavier bow and no extra weightg up front but 'em skinny little shafts will pentatrate.  I used to be sold on two blade but I'm always open to changing my mind. The woodsman did change my mind.  65# recuve and a tuned 2020 with a three balde woodmans is death on a stick  :)

rusty
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: trashwood on February 18, 2006, 01:35:00 AM
beyondmyken, in fact ya know what,  in this day of carbon arrows and the return to wooden hours the 2020 is likely the best kept secert of pig hunters  :)  of course it want necesarily shoot out of the "my 50# bow will kill anything" bows  :)  but if ya got enough bow to fly it it will be a bane to big pigs

rusty
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: tms on February 18, 2006, 01:36:00 AM
2020s?

Oh man, don't tell me that; I'm going to Texas tomorrow for my first bowhunt , for hogs, with the Wensels.  I decided on 2117s with a 40gr adapter and WW for a 640gr arrow out of my 50# Thunderbird, or my 60# bamboo backed jatoba longbow.  I figure I get somewhere around 34 ft. llbs. of KE, if that means anything.  Mostly, I was just satisfied with the "whump" factor I got on the foam target.

Tom
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: mo bo hunter on February 18, 2006, 07:47:00 AM
does hunting hogs in the swow make it more difficult or make it easy wehave about 4 in. of fresh snow and thougt i would go later
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 18, 2006, 07:55:00 AM
You are gonna be fine with that set-up Tom. Just shoot straight!

 Scent Control Excellent question.
I guess Im going have to talk about this in general terms. I need to do this because most hunters hunt the weekends or a few times a month. For these hunters scent control is quite attainable and is of utmost importance when hunting pigs. The better your scent is controlled or eliminated, the higher your success rates will surely be. Pigs have a sence of smell that is truly incredible. I still do not know how they can smell food a foot under the ground. Remember the fletching on your arrows, your quiver, boots, hat, leather grip on your bow, etc when exercizing scent control. Ah yes, Breth! Breath is your biggest stink factor. Mix some baking soda in a Baby food jar with water. Place it in your daypack and just before you go hunt, shake it up and rinse your mouth very well. This will give you a great deal of control with scent. Using the wind to your advantage is the greatest tool but only works when you yourself are mobile. If you are stand hunting you really can't use the wind but are actually at the winds mercy. I personally try very hard to remain scent free but there is just so much I can do. I hunt 3-4 days a week and it gets really hard to guarantee I'll remain non-smelly. I do hang my camo on the fence when I get in after the hunt so they can air out. I try and not leave my quiver or arrows anywhere that they will soak up lots of smell. This year I experimented extensively with scent control products. I must say they work incredibly well on deer but every  hog that got down-wind still busted me. You can't imagine how many times I got busted for the few measly hogs I did shoot. So, I suppose the answer to the question is to really watch your scent and play the wind when at all possible. CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 18, 2006, 08:04:00 AM
Snow!  :scared:   Hell no! Stay inside where it's warm. Ain't any pig worth going out in the snow for!!!! LOL!  :bigsmyl:  

Seriously, We had a foot of snow in deep south Texas last Christmas. I never miss hunting on my birthday, the day after Christmas so I was out in the nasty stuff. What I found was that if I had snow in Texas all the time, there wouldn't be many hogs left to hunt. The snow made it as easy to find them as I've ever seen. If you have snow and you've been having a problem locating the hogs, you'd better get out in it and work all day till you hit a cross trail in the snow. Don't plan on hunting them if the snow has a crust on it but at least use the snow for locating them bedding. Come back in a few days when the snow is gone and tag one. The snow led me straight to hogs last Christmas but getting a shot was impossible in the crunching snow. It sure was a bright memory for me though. The prickley pear cactus looked quite surreal covered in white. Here's your chance to locate the bedding area of those big boars you've been talking about. Please report your findings. CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Ray Hammond on February 18, 2006, 08:05:00 AM
I agree on the scent Curtis. Hogs are very different from deer- in my opinion the only thing that makes then less difficult to kill than a whitetail is their gluttony!

If a hog smells you- he isn't going to confirm that with eyes or ears- he's out of there right then!

You ever notice how a deer will smell you and then look for you- or hear you and then try to smell or see you?

Hogs are smarter, friends...they don't need confirmation- they bust it getting gone!!!
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 18, 2006, 08:09:00 AM
Thank you Ray! That is a great observation. They even think they've smelled something and all you see is hiney's going away from you. What about snow Ray? You hunt snow in your area don't you? CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: wingnut on February 18, 2006, 08:39:00 AM
let's see hogs in the snow.

My first hog hunt ever was in the snow.  However I didn't know it.  My dad and I were in NE Washington state and hunting whitetails and mules.  Nope them ain't hogs just deer.  But we were going along a base of a ridge and cut about 6 sets of very fresh tracks moving into the winds so we followed up and over the ridge and into a quiet little draw.  We could hear em moving ahead and slowed to a snails pace.  Then all of a sudden there they were.  Six beautiful hampshire feral hogs.  Only they had been feral for about an hour.  They excaped from the farmers pen down the road.

We yucked it up and headed on for our deer hunt.  And stopped by later to tell the farmer where his hogs were.

LOL

Mike
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Lee in S.C. on February 18, 2006, 09:28:00 AM
On the subject of scent control... I had a big ole brindle colored boar that I had seen and hunted him for a month before I finally had the wind right and he gave me a shot. He would come in to about 60-75 yds and if he smelled something he didnt like he would turn and go back the way he came. The little pigs and sows would charge right in and feed but the big boy always hung back and checked the scene. I finally closed the deal and had to drag him out of a clearcut through knee deep water. Finally resorted to a 4 wheeler to get him to the road. This pics an oldie but a goodie.
  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/LeeSatterfield/Jan_2002_Recurve_Boar.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Horne's Archery on February 18, 2006, 02:05:00 PM
Well here's one for the table.My buddy Jim called yesterday to see if I wanted to go start some hog holes.After getting a pass I said yes around 4:00,so the work party was on.
Durring the drive Jim told me the Care Taker of his inlaws ranch had a problem with a hog.This hog is a 300 plus .lber.Now the problem is the hog will just stand there and gral at them on there nature walks.Two days ago the hog traped Chuck in the barn in the midle of the day.
This hog,and 25 or so herd hogs are running in a thick wooded wash that runs North and South not 2000 yards from the house.The wend generaly blows North or South.I think the herd has a saw in het,and thats keeping him in the area.
Any angles on taking this hog is apreciatet.
Off to work right now.

Mark
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Ray Hammond on February 18, 2006, 02:41:00 PM
Curtis, snow here is so unusual it tends to shut things down a little...I've hunted deer here in snow, but never pigs...Coastal area of SC where I hunt (about 35 miles inland from Hilton Head) rarely gets the white stuff!
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 18, 2006, 05:19:00 PM
Nice pig Lee! Let me ask you a few questions about him. You said he had been running with some herd hogs when you were originally seeing him.

Where in the herd was he located as they traveled. Front, middle, or dead last? If you would have shot a hog as soon as you saw the group would you have had a shot at the Boar? What was your set-up as far as Hunt location(tree stand, ground blind, etc) and what was your gear selection(broadhead, arrow material and weight, bow draw weight). What was your thoughts about gear selection after the shot? Thanks!

Mark, I'm going to have to come up and check your hog problem myself.   :readit:  I just don't feel good about sharing right now!  :D   Seriously, I'd like to take a shot in the dark on how to get him since you are probably going to go after him soon anyway. Back in a bit! Got some chili cookin right now. CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Horne's Archery on February 18, 2006, 05:51:00 PM
Great Curtis,it's time to feed I'll be back.

Mark
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: trashwood on February 18, 2006, 08:11:00 PM
this is the night for a taking a head count.  ya call your rancher, call the sheriff, and call your game warden (invite him along).  about mid-night a drive along your back roads keeping track of the miles at a walking speed.  with serach lights ya count the pig eyes ya see.  if you are smart ya will mark it on your map  :) .  I have got the calculations somewhere (i'll find 'em) that the game department uses to turn the number of eyes and miles into a head count estimate.

in some states it might be not so legal ??  :) .  Bruce and I have always include the gamewarden.  at least in some parts of Texas this is how get your doe tags.  it is a real good way to check on your real pig population.

i'll find the calculation or maybe some of ya game warden folks all ready know it.

ya be surprised where ya find pigs bedding down in the cold and freezing rain  :)

rusty
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Lee in S.C. on February 18, 2006, 08:19:00 PM
He always came in last. My experience is that the little pigs will rush in first, then the young sows, then the older sows, and if there is a boar he will hold back and come in once he's checked things out. And when he moves in he takes over.
 The boar in the pic was solitary, he never mixed with the other hogs. All of the better boars I've killed have been that way.I shot him with a 53# Jeffery recurve, 2216 xx75 tipped with a woodsman. The arrow passed through except for the fletch and he bent the shaft when he fell on it.  I shot him from a loc on in a creek bottom at the edge of an overgrown clearcut that was holding water due to beavers. I knew I had hit him well and heard him thrashing and gurgling about 50-75 yds out in the cut. Never any doubts about my gear selection, I knew it would do the job. Ive killed hogs with longbows recurves and selfbows from 45-65 lbs using carbon, aluminum and wood. Ive shot muzzy 3 blades, woodsmans, snuffers, and magnus 2 blades and stingers, razorheads, and a ribtec. They ALL worked when I put them in the right place.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: beachbowhunter on February 18, 2006, 08:53:00 PM
Lee, that resume puts you on the Hog Killer BOARd of Directors!   :D
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 19, 2006, 07:58:00 AM
Is it just me or does it look like Lee might have been sandbaggin us all along. Good info Lee. I see a pattern.

Mark, I hate to give you advice. I already know you are pig smart. Let me go ahead and have a wack at it though. The Boar is running the caretaker in the barn for no apparent reason you say. Dang, My kind of hog. I like it when they come beggin for it.  :D   I think you need to take that boar out. Here's the deal, you think you have a Sow in heat in the herd running there. That is going to make the boar unpredictable as far as hunting dominant hogs goes(using info we;ve shared already). With a Sow in heat running round the area, I do believe I'd hunt the herd for a few hunts and see if he's running behind the pack. If he is, Id just hunt the herd hogs and refrain from shooting anything but the big feller. You say you're setting up some bait sites so you are half way to the herd hogs already. Probably ought to concentrate the efforts there for now. If that doesn't work, I think easing into the wind down that ridge you speak on in the AM, doing "one" grunt every 50 yards or so as you travel may locate him. Those big hogs will respond to a singular grunt every time. The reason, I didn't advise going straight for his bedding location first is that sometime if you jump a dominant boar out of his lair he'll discontinue use of that particular bedding area. He knows you've found him and they most often won't lay there again any time soon. No need to push him if you can bait him into the open with Natures best bait, a Sow n heat! CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: wingnut on February 19, 2006, 08:04:00 AM
Curtis,

how about you come up and we'll soak ya in some sow in heat scent?  Then you could crawl around making soft grunts while we keep an eye out for the big fellar.

Sound like a plan?

LOL

Mike

I could never get my bear hunting partners to do it either.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 19, 2006, 08:09:00 AM
Oh, I think it's a little early in the morning to ask me to do that. Ask me again this afternoon after I've had a few beers.   :D
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: wingnut on February 19, 2006, 08:12:00 AM
Yep I think that would be one of them "Hey Bubba!!  Watch this"  things that happen before something real bad.

Mike
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Van/TX on February 19, 2006, 07:24:00 PM
Quote
Oh, I think it's a little early in the morning to ask me to do that. Ask me again this afternoon after I've had a few beers. [/b]

In south Texas (at least by my rules) it's OK to drink beer after 0945 hrs.  For you non-military types that 9:45 AM  :bigsmyl:  ....Van
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Charlie Lamb on February 19, 2006, 08:04:00 PM
and for all you Marines out there...the little hand is on the 9 and...  :D
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: swampbiologist on February 19, 2006, 09:13:00 PM
Well, I'm back from the Hog Marsh and the only thing I have to report are sightings of 1-200# class Boar on Saturday and two sows with piglets. I wanted to post a couple of pictures of what the coastal Habitat looks like.
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Hog bedding area in Sedge Grass
 (http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/Swampbiologist/DSC02591.jpg)
Rootings
 (http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/Swampbiologist/DSC02597.jpg)
Willow ridge
[IMG]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums
Hog / Deer Trail
Easy to walk but hogs found in very thick areas.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: swampbiologist on February 19, 2006, 09:19:00 PM
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/Swampbiologist/dsc02599.jpg)
Here's the Hog / DeerTrail

 (http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/Swampbiologist/DSC02590.jpg)
Here's the sedge grass that they love to lay up in and I love to stalk in.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: swampbiologist on February 19, 2006, 09:35:00 PM
I jumped the Boar from the sedge grass by himself. I had stalked pass him by no more than 20 yards down wind and he spooked when I circled upwind to double back through the center of the grass. I also jumped two sows that were layed up in the thick briar areas of the willow ridge. I've tried several times to work th edownwind side of this ridge but the walking gets soft and almost always noisy. This ridge is an area I'm thinking of setting a feeder up on and hunting it in the evenings til dark. The areas where the hogs root up will no longer support your weight. They will turn it into a muddy mess.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Marvin M. on February 20, 2006, 09:35:00 AM
Great Info guys!!!  Keep it comeing for us Wannabes!
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 20, 2006, 09:55:00 AM
Nice pics! Couple of questions? Have you seen deer on these trails? Reason I ask is really not important to pigs hunting. I just never see deer on pig trails. The deer generally parallel the trails out to the sides but won't step in the actual trails. It's just something I see around here.
What is the distance from where the defined trail starts to fan out. They generally start fanning out and getting much wider as they get closer to feeding areas. This is where I think I'd place the feeder and not right along the water. The hogs are quite obviously feeding on Sedge tubers. It happens here all the time. I really think you can use the cover of the standing sedge as a natural blind in which to hunt from. The sedge should afford you ability to move around as the wind changes the direction. Just hunker low in the grass and enjoy the day. I love that set-up. I shot two hogs 45 minutes appart in the exact type of location last Febuary. Good luck. CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: swampbiologist on February 20, 2006, 11:46:00 AM
If you notice in the pictures, the ridge is pretty narrow. I have seen deer travel the inside edge along the marsh but believe it's easier to travel and windcheck the ridge. I did see both deer and hog tracks. In some parts of the ridge, there are two distinct trails. maybe the hogs don't mind walking where the deer have passed. I do notice that you don't see deer where you see hogs and vice-versa. They don't generally buddy-up. It seems that they will use the ridge as one of the few places to get dry. One other thing that I have noticed, the boar that I jumpped was alone and the sows with "little" pigs tend to segregate themselves from the large group.
There is also a large amount of Cattail grass there and this time of year, they have a maze of trails through it. It can be tough walking through some of these areas which makes locating them tough. When you do find them in this stuff, you can get right on top of them for one of those long 4 yard shots!
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Ted on February 20, 2006, 02:32:00 PM
Thanks guys.

Swampbio's last post raises a question that has had me thinking for a couple weeks.  A couple weeks ago, I got back from only my second hog hunting trip.  This one was in South Carolina.  I have heard that Deer and Hogs don't enjoy one another's company, but I saw some counter evidence on this trip.

I was hunting a corned road.  I heard something around the bend.  As I eased around, I heard/saw several deer blow and vacate.  I looked further up the trail and about 20 yards beyond where the deer were there was what looked to my inexperienced eyes to be a pretty big pig feeding on the trail.  It was completely dark and I was on my way back to camp.  I could only see by the light of the nearly full moon.  The situation raised a couple questions that I thought the experts could address:

1) One of the take-homes I got out of this situation was that it may not be true that hogs and deer don't mix.  What's the concensus about this?  Certainly possible that the hog just showed up and the deer where leaving anyways, but my sense was that they were both happilly feeding before I came along.

2) The deer blew several times as they left and one stood there stomping for a few seconds before taking off.  I figured that like deer and turkeys, that the hog would pick up on the warning from the deer, but the hog seemed relatively unphased by the spooked deer.  Is this odd to the experts or expected?

3) Also, being new to this game, I have no experience to help me understand a hog's body language (this was only the fourth feral hog I had ever seen), but the thought did cross my mind that I may not be in a very safe situation.  Given that is was dark and I may have been able to see him better than he could see me, I had the wind and I was pretty quite,  I thought maybe he knew something was there and just didn't care.  From what I could see he would feed away from me for about 5-10 yards, then turn and move pretty quickly in my direction for about 10 yards (I thought this perhaps could have been like a warning charge of sorts).  I remember hearing some noise, but I didn't interpret it as threatening. This went on for about 3 minutes or so.  I was able to get an arrow on the string and drop my pack, so I did move a bit.  He was about 40 yards away when this went down and the whole thing lasted probably 3-4 minutes before he decided to take off (the opposite direction as the deer).  What do you guys make of this behavior?

If there isn't much here for others to learn from feel free to ignore these questions, but if possible I would like to learn as much as possible from this experience so I am that much better on my next trip down.

Thanks for anything you can share,

Ted
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: JasonV on February 20, 2006, 02:46:00 PM
I have seen game-camera video of hogs and deer feeding together - don't know if thats the norm, but they seemed pretty comfortable with each other's presence....

(this was nocturnal feeding from a timed feeder)
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: swampbiologist on February 20, 2006, 11:03:00 PM
I would think that it depends on the scarcity of the food supply. Animals become very tolerant when times are tough even towards humans. Even to come into peoples yards and eat their shrubs with the people standing near by. The rigors of winter take their toll.
Some hogs are more aggressive than others. Some run off and others stand their ground. Hogs out produce and out compete deer for such important foods as acorns.
Just the fact that the deer blew at the hog says that the deer did not approve of the hogs presence and then the deer left. I would say that under normal circumstances, they don't associate much. As most hunters know, deer are courious animals. Who knows how they interact under unusual situatuions.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: aussiebowhunter on February 21, 2006, 04:45:00 AM
ck really enjoying reading ur info on hogs,first spotted on ozbow..i am up in weipa,cape york australia,some say one of the best places for big tusked aggressive hogs..we run open range,500,000 acre boar hunts each year during the dry...we hav large lagoons,swamps and as the dry sets in the waters drys up in the creeks and ull find boars anywhere there is water..we always hunt for the solo boars as he will be the old fella with the good ivory..

im up here in  the wet on my own and im trying to think of ways to track him down when food and water is so plentiful..u can just see  them anytime or not at all..

once again really enjoy ur posts all the best pat...
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Lee in S.C. on February 21, 2006, 07:14:00 AM
The deer and hogs were togther because of the food. On my lease the deer leave when the hogs move in.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 21, 2006, 09:51:00 AM
Ted, beware of hogs that don't seem to show fear. Some will false charge and hackle up when they don't want to part from a food source or share the food. Most will leave as soon as warnings are not heeded but once in awhile they will stand their ground and even run at you.

Hello Aussie! I got notified by one of your Countrymen that they were cutting and pasting this thread to OZBOW to share over there. That's a nice honor! Hope we can help one another atlhough half a world appart. It would be nice to see some of the techniques prove to be the same on two different continents. Lets chat! I do believe you are looking at a very difficult situation in finding hogs when the water has dispersed them into the unknown. I think I'd start on the highest ground on the East facing sides as we've already talked about. Even hogs get sick and tired of rain after awhile and will seek a dry spot. Can you describe things a little better on the lay of the land and the general feeding habitats and bedding areas? Thanks, CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Mark Normand on February 21, 2006, 02:08:00 PM
Emile, I like that river running boat, warm and dry!

Yesterday I shot a small pig out of a bunch, and the squealing brought in moma and the calvary of backup adults, about 4-5 in all. They didn't give me another shot, just a bit too far +/-40 in the woods, a-woofing and blowing, but I wonder if I could have showed myself and bullied them into coming closer. Before anyone freaks out, I'm not talking deathwish like Emile's marsh pics above,  this was woods with trees and tops everywhere to get clear if necessary.  Man I wanted another shot badly.

Any realistic suggestions from the experts here?
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 21, 2006, 02:14:00 PM
Mark, that is one of the "specifics" I was talking about when I say calls work but only in specific situations. If you'd have had a varmit call in your pocket at the instance that the hogs got upset, you could have dropped to one knee, blew like a squeeling piglet, and held on for the ride. They'll come for that! I promise! I've seen it with my own eyes and will try it again the next time I shoot a pig and the rest get upset. Congrats on getting the pig you did get. Good on ya! CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 21, 2006, 02:22:00 PM
BTW, Advocating blowing a varmit in distress call while in close proximity to upset pigs holds the possibility of personal injury. Please keep in mind that this technique hold the very realistic possibility of injury. If you are not in physical shape to defend yourself or climb a tree, please do not attempt this technique. I probably shouldn't even be talking about it but I am assuming we all know the very realistic possibilities that lie within these tight boundaries. Please excercize your best judgment when attempting this. If you have no escape route, leave em alone! CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Mark Normand on February 21, 2006, 02:55:00 PM
Thx CK, thats exactly what I meant, I was in control of this situation and already had contingencies worked out. Its not for everyone for sure.

Good suggestion on the varmit call, dang I wish I would have thought of that quickly.
[and held on for the ride]  LOL
What a great suggestion for stand hunting at a feeder!
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Mike Byrge on February 21, 2006, 03:15:00 PM
The pig that Mark shot had a BIG Momma.

I crossed paths with her and her bunch a couple of times and she was very protective...a smart old pig.

Curtis what's your take on bow-quivers and bright-fletch?   I've been two weekends in a row and I've had pigs see me when I was still and in good cover.  Dark woods, overcast days..everything is black or gray right now and I suspect my yellow and lime fletch is "standing out" even to an animal that isn't supposed to see in color.

Most of my pig hunting has been in South Texas where it is generally bright and much more color.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Doc Nock on February 21, 2006, 03:19:00 PM
Yeah, CK..in today's "litiguous society" they couldl whup you for advocating gettign unzipped!   :knothead:    :D  

Been to TX 2x (never saw hair) and once to Shiloh and had the chance to watch many, stick one and after all the doins were done, snuck up on a big hampshire sans bow...what a thrill that was! Po boy's griz!
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: the Ferret on February 21, 2006, 03:56:00 PM
Mark..too cool Bro. Apparently your shot put it down quick. If it had kept squealing you'd probably have had momma in your lap.

Death Wish naaa, a little excitement OH YEA!
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Mark Normand on February 21, 2006, 04:17:00 PM
No Ferret, I was pizzed cause he ran off squealing with my arrow slapping the trees, then the big party started about 40-50 yards away. The quiet woods just came alive! Ended up losing that nice heavy 750gr ramin and 160 snuffer, dangit! Never could find it, will have to look again when I go back.

It was absolutely awesome and exciting to hear all that grunting, woofing, teeth popping, snorting going on. Man it really got loud at one point when the whole bunch was wired up.

I had a large barrier of blowdowns in front of me, I could see/shoot over it, but couldn't climb over quickly or quietly, otherwise I would have immediately closed the distance for a followup.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 21, 2006, 05:01:00 PM
Yea Mark, keep a squeeler handy in the event that it happens again.

Mike, I hate to admit but in all I've gathered on pigs over the last few years, I've never known whether they see in color. I really never needed to know I suppose. I've never seen pigs pic off a hunter that is remaining still due to colors. I've not know it if this has happened anyway. One thing I know for certain is that pigs detect movment far greater than deer from my experience. I've done movement experimenting with deer in close proximity. Very slow movments, no matter the distance don't seem to be detected. Pigs on the other hand seem to detect the slightest movments. I know the general eyesight of a hog is not superior to that of a deer but when detecting movment is concerned, the pig seems to have the upper hand. Deer do seem to detect camo patterns that don't mix and color variations. Im not too sure if deer see in color or not either. Maybe I need to study more. One thing I see in lots of hunters who use bow quivers is that when the bow is raised or lowered with bright, matching fletching is what is called flagging. Look at the measurable surface area of all the fletching next to one another. If everything is one color, it looks like one continuous flag of color raising up and down. Of course my side quiver does the same when I am moving through the brush. Keep testing Mike and let us know what you find. CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Ray Hammond on February 21, 2006, 05:48:00 PM
I think they DO see in color, Curtis. I say that because on the place we hunt if you are wearing ORANGE of any kind you cannot get within 300 yards of the pigs around here and they will haul buggy! If you move straight at them and are wearing only dull colored clothing and move slow, you can almost always approach within 75 yards without so much as a nod from the hogs.

I experimented by pulling an orange watch cap out of my coat pocket after getting within 75 yards three different times, three different groups of pigs, and EVERY single time they hauled butt like nobody's business!

One of my favorite times to hunt pigs in SC is during the period from June 20- July 10th. I know, its HOT with a capital H, BUT, the blackberries are ripening in the clear cuts and the hogs are absolutely WILD about blackberries. They will be out there chomping berries till they are all gone...morning, noon, and night feeding on those berries...you can hear their lips smacking way before you ever see the hogs they love them so much.

I highly recommend berry time for pigs in SC and GA!
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Paul R on February 21, 2006, 07:50:00 PM
G'day fella's, I've been following this thread with great interest since CK started it and there's some fantastic information here. I have also been cutting and pasting some of the info to an Ozzy Trad site called Ozbow, so I hope nobody minds.  :)  

I've got a question for you regarding the calling of dominant Boars. There have been numerous times while stalking in really thick cover, that I have woken up big boars and had them jump up out of their beds in front of me.
Nine times out of ten they haven't got a clue what woke them up but they sure are cranky, snorting and growling and clicking their tusks. They are normally within 10-15 yards and it can get pretty exiting, only problem is that it's normally too thick for a shot and eventually the boar moves off. If I try to follow through the thick stuff I get heard and the boar heads for the hills at a fast rate.

My question is can I get them to come closer and present for a shot, without making them rush straight in and eat me or alternitivly run away? I've tried a couple of grunts as they were moving away but to no avail.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Whip on February 21, 2006, 11:40:00 PM
Boy these pigs seem like they are quite the adversaries for a bowhunter!  Somehow I always had the idea they were pushovers, but I'm learning fast that is not the case!  Has anyone ever tried a ghille suit or the 3D camo for hogs?  Think it offers any advantages over regular camo?  It's hard to fly down with a blind, but I sure could pack a gillie suit.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: aussiebowhunter on February 21, 2006, 11:49:00 PM
ck thanks for ur reply and email..thought i might post here,as some others may be interested,if thats ok?

well where i am we hav two seasons.wet and dry..wet last for around 4 mths,rains of and on most days,where there was no grass is suddenely 3 to 8 ft high,creeks and rivers are following and some may come up 20 metres...so water is plentiful and so is feed...

during the dry,the best times for hunting boars is later sept to dec as everything is drying up and water is only in the dams,the odd waterhole in the creeks. so u know if u hunt through the heat of the day they are going to be laid up near the water...

as i am here on my own over the wet,i get plenty of time to play..but where before if u had a carcass down ,u could be sure of boars coming in early morn or late arvo..

i only hunt the loners as they are the older and wiser pigs as u hav mentioned and they are sure to have the best ivory...and they are very aggressive,they will hav u for dinner as quick as if u pis them off..they basically arnt scared of anthing up here..they only hav dingos as an enemy..

now the lay of the land is mostly flat with some small rises,creeks etc,there is the odd ridge..as i said mostly the grass is high now and heaps of water and feed..

i have had mobs of pigs below me rooting up the ground,going down to 3 ft in places all around these beans trees..we also hav small land crabs that come out in the wet,so im sure they are dihgging for them too..
they dont seem as keen on a carcass now as they would before..

i havent been able to find there bedding,u would think it would be in the higher ground?? what u think?
i hav seen a regular set of good size tracks close by crossing one of our roads here,and also a good size walllow on the same road,,hes been having a wallow  during the heat of the day..

im thinking maybe the trick might be to try some of ur baiting techniques,grain and jelly maybe combined with treestand...but i do like ur ideas using a grunt call plus also a animal in distreess call..what do u think and what calls would u recommend to try..
i also caught three little fellas a couple weeks back,been feeding them up,and i have noticed tracks coming around,maybe some have heard them??

so theres a bit of info,what r ur thoughts?/
many thanks pat
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 22, 2006, 06:44:00 AM
Good post Ray! Good info there. I'll be back in awhile for the rest. CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: aussiebowhunter on February 22, 2006, 07:22:00 AM
ck and guys,thought id share with ya all my first ever trad bow harvest,first ever shot,taken today..young fat boar,shot at 8 odd metres went 30 to 40 and dropped..really enjoying this topic,i put a story up in the right spot..cheers pat
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Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: the Ferret on February 22, 2006, 07:30:00 AM
What Curtis said is true to a point about hogs catching movement. It's kind of wierd in that sometimes you can sneak up on them in a wde open field just by moving when their head is down and stopping when they look up. And we have hidden behind palm fronds and walked clear across a field slowly while they are wayching us.I do believe that pigs can distinguish color or at least have read that pigs have enough either rods or cones (can't remember which)in their eyes to distinguish color, however flight doesn't seem to be a response to just color alone in the pigs we have chased in Texas or Florida, it must also be accompanied by another clue to danger ie movement or scent.

Our son Brian (Boris 196) leaves for Florida to hunt pigs tomorrow and is taking several boxes of raspberry jello mix with him to try on the pigs down there. A tip he picked up on this thread. He's also taking a javie squealer. I'm sure he'll give us a report when he returns.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: the Ferret on February 22, 2006, 07:31:00 AM
Congrats Pat...I'm sure that one won't be your last eh?
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Glenn Newell on February 22, 2006, 08:42:00 AM
I have never worried that much about colour for pigs but I have always been carefull about movement. This photo was taken nearly thirty years ago now, no cover at all to use for the stalk, pig looked at me a couple of times during the stalk, shot him from 15 yards. The pink shirt was a one of...Glenn...

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Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: the Ferret on February 22, 2006, 08:44:00 AM
Gee Glenn were you really that young and skinny once? LOL
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Glenn Newell on February 22, 2006, 08:54:00 AM
Yes Mickey I grew into being old and overweight, I wasn't born this way     :)    ...Glenn...
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 22, 2006, 09:30:00 AM
Paul, the scenereo you speakof with the Boar is one I've found that works well with vocalizations. I personally have made this exact situation work three times. The boar jumps up but doesn't know what has disturbed him. He can be grunted into staying but doesn't seem to want to leave the confines of the thick brush. I've had to make em mad to get them out of the brush. One stiff grunting followed by a long, loud exhale of air. Repeat every time he responds. This is posturing to big boars. He will take the long exhales as a sign of a challenge. Watch out, you may need to RUN!  :scared:  

Pat, Sometime when I fly with a friend of mine, we see pigs bedded on the open grass hill tops. You'd never expect to see pigs in the open grass but they are there. I think this affords them a lazy place to hide in the tall grass and soak up sunshine. Nothing can approach due to the long distance that they can see and smell. Try those hill tops! Id also start a baiting routine if it's legal and "you" find it ethical. Great pig you shot there! Really happy to see you take one after hearing how difficult things are for you right now.

Glen, you look so pretty in pink.  :readit:  Just kidding mate!  :D   That's some good info on color. CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Doc Nock on February 22, 2006, 09:38:00 AM
Mickey...C as in color=cones.  :)  Rods are night vision and movement.

out at Matt&Cheryl Nappers (Shiloh) I got to watch a lot.  We were in established stands on feeder overlooks.  Once they were into the grits, you could move pretty much I found. But the big boys would stand off 60-80 yards and grunt at anything in the stands...camo be darned. If you shifted a foot 6"... they were GONE.  

I replayed that a few times and had some buds go down several years in a row who had similar results...fwiw from a bunch of neophytes book(s).
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Glenn Newell on February 22, 2006, 03:34:00 PM
Pat, good on you for your first traditional bow kill. My uncle use to live up in Cape York many years ago and he use to save the used cooking oil, he would pour it on the ground and the pigs would root that bit of gound up for days, he use to shoot them from a ground blind, he also said that sour milk was was the best bait he ever used.
Curtis I know what you are saying about the grass. In the Outback in winter when the heat is gone the pigs and especially the old boars can be found out on the Leichart Grass Downs Country(grassy treeless plains)during the day, they will lay out in the grass all day for the sunhine. These areas are so vast though it's normally best to hunt the areas adjacent to dams and bore drains. It's really good hunting in this country when is high and there a large numbers of locust around, you watch for locust flying infront of the pigs walking around in the grass...Glenn...
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Paul R on February 22, 2006, 06:37:00 PM
Thanks for the advice CK, I will try that call sequence next time it happens. The snorting and the growling is always an adrenalin rush.

Glenn, I have seen the same things with pigs on cold winter mornings out west , camping up in the long grass, soaking up the sun(I wasn't wearing a pink shirt though   ;)  ). It can get pretty exiting when the long grass starts to part in your direction too.  :eek:   One method I use in winter is to hunt along the water channels or bore drains or the timber lines close to them, checking the eastern side (side facing the sun) of Lignum bushes and other undergrowth, I think CK already mentioned this. In the Summer the pigs will bed deep in the bushes under the thickest shadiest tree, close to water or under the over hanging creek banks, away from the sun.

I also used to do a lot of pig hunting west of Armidale which is one of the coldest places I’ve ever hunted in Winter ( it even snows there sometimes   :scared:  ) but I guess it would be pretty mild compared to what you blokes in the USA can experience. The properties I used to hunt in the area consisted of deep blackberry choked gullies and round sparsely wooded hills which were bare on top. Every time I hunted the place in Winter I would find lone Boars asleep right on top of the bare hills soaking up the sun. In the summer they would bed at the head of deep, blackberry choked gullies usually on the southern side of the hills trying to escape the sun and heat.

Pat, out in Western QLD when there is a lot of rain, the pig’s bed on the sand ridges. These sand ridges can be only a few feet higher than the surrounding soil plains but afford good cover and comfortable, comparatively dry beds, especially when it floods. Because these small ridges are made of sand the pigs don't get mud and clay building up on their trotter's, which annoys the hell out of them, or if they get a build up while they are watering and feeding, they can clean it off in the sand and move about more freely. I don't know if there's anything like that up the Cape, but regardless I would be hunting whatever high ground you have up there, as CK suggested, if there is any.   :)
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: aussiebowhunter on February 22, 2006, 07:33:00 PM
ck,glen,paul,cheers all good info,yep iwe have some rocky ridges,not that high and we do have sand ridges,i agreed they would have to be the go..i reckon ill also try some small food baitng,like the cooking oil,jelly and old milk tricks..makee a few spots a k around the house,so u can do nice afternoon walks...

ck,could u mention what callers u like for grunting and distressed..if its not right to name brands on here,would u mind emailing..

in yestredays situation,the large boar and the rest didnt know what was wrong and basically had a little shuffle and looked around..i sat still,i was thinking then what would have been the go,give a grunt or hav a distress call going.??

what would u reckon ck?? i am ok with a boar coming in on me,with an arrow ready,they were all in such good condition compared toi the dry..def double there body weights...

cheers pat...
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Glenn Newell on February 22, 2006, 11:17:00 PM
I have always worked on the theory that if you cant hunt you might as well look good  ;)  ...Glenn...
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 23, 2006, 06:12:00 AM
:D  Your funny Glen....

Pat, I don't use any manufactured calls. I don't know who makes them and cannot recommend one. All the ones I've heard don't sound realistic. They all sound like modified deer grunt tubes. I've worked for sometime creating the proper sounds inside my chest and deep throat. My calling lacks the high pitch weeze that is inside of the big boars grunts but I'm sounding real close. Maybe some of the guys here can help with manufactured calls. I wouldn't know where to look for one. CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Glenn Newell on February 23, 2006, 06:32:00 AM
Last time I was in the States I bought several different types for grunting pigs and didn't have any luck with them at all. I didn't scare any away and the pigs didn't pay any attention to me at all, didn't even get a side way glance. I will admit I don't have a clue about calling pigs.
I have seen when two boars are fighting and they are making plenty of noise other boars will come running to the scene...Glenn...
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Joe D on February 23, 2006, 10:49:00 AM
Great thread Curtis!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 23, 2006, 11:02:00 AM
Thanks Joe.

Glen, I appreciate your input. What you just said further reinforces my thoughts about calling. Like i've said repeatedly, I believe calling will only work in very specific circumstances. They do have a language. You just have to figure out when to speak! CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Ray Hammond on February 23, 2006, 11:25:00 AM
when a couple boars are getting after a hot sow they can sound for all the world like what you would think a couple of silverback male gorillas would sound like fightin- just TEARIN' it up..they growl, grunt, wheeze, snort, blow- its a awful racket...and a great time to put the move on em...I've run into it 4 times in the last 5 or so years and every time I was able to get in there and get close enough for a shot...didn't get a shot in each situation but had a good chance and did take a couple boars out of the 5 chances.

They are not standing still, usually, like a couple of bulls rutting- they are moving, running, chasing- over a big area- at least thats the way it has been around here. I get very, very excited when I hear this kind of racket in the woods- the first thing I say to myself is like that fight announcer..." Let's get ready to RUMMMMBBBBBLLLLLLLLLEEEEEE!!!!!
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 23, 2006, 01:47:00 PM
Stop it Ray!!!!!!!!! Im getting aroused! I just love to hear that sound myself! CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Ray Hammond on February 23, 2006, 02:08:00 PM
When I get within 50 miles of my place Curtis I swear I'm like a hunting dog in a box on the back of the truck- my tail is WAGGIN' till I get there, change my duds and GET AFTER EM as my buddy Greg Campbell says!!!!!!!!!

Other than elk hunting, hunting swine is the about the most fun you can have with your britches on!

Well, maybe I shouldnt have said THAT last remark quite that way... Let me rephrase that a little- its the most fun you can have huntin!!! How's that?  :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 23, 2006, 02:16:00 PM
Yessir! I raise my glass to that! CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: dan massa on February 23, 2006, 04:02:00 PM
I am just getting back into the traditional side of archery and loving it. This web page is great and has tons of useful info. I just purchased two bows (Bob Lee Stickbow 60# 66" and a PSE Sable takedown# 64")and planned on using the stickbow on a trip to Nolton Creek ranch the first week of March. My first hunt for hogs was probably begginers luck and I shot a 260+ pound boar with my wheelie. Does anyone have any info on the ranch and any tips to hunting a high fenced ranch?
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 23, 2006, 04:12:00 PM
Don't know anything about that ranch. Unless it is a very small operation, you can just forget the fence exists. CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: dan massa on February 23, 2006, 04:16:00 PM
It is between Uvalde and Sabinal and operated by Les Zimmerman out of BarE ranch.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Scott G on February 23, 2006, 10:46:00 PM
I have a question for you Ray, and anyone else with experience killing boars that are bowed up over a hot sow.  Do you think the meat was tainted in any way from the raging testoserone?

Another more general question...I have heard people say some hogs just taste bad.  I know one guy that says he likes to cut a small piece out of a hog and throw it on a hot skillet before he goes to the trouble of cleaning the hog because the smell will let you know right away from the smell if the hog will be "a bad one".

I haven't killed enough hogs to run across any bad ones yet, but some have been tougher than others.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: longbowfanatic02 on February 24, 2006, 01:43:00 AM
Dan , the best thing you can do at nolton creek is listen to les. He is a great guy and will put you on the animals to the best of his ability. My brother had real good luck hunting on what Les calls hog hill, he had about 50 come down the road. Good luck and have fun.. it is a real nice place.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Ray Hammond on February 24, 2006, 06:58:00 AM
I've had very little problem with hog meat, except right on the immediate coastline of GA. The pigs there live in the tidal grass and feed in the salt creeks, digging for the little tiny crabs especially.

That mud has the most awful smell to it at low tide, and the pig meat smells JUST LIKE THAT mud when you cook it!!!! I won't even go down there to shoot pigs any more because of that.

As to big boars- I have had a couple pretty rank ones that were only fit for sausage but for teh most part I've never felt the meat was tainted to the ponit we couldnt use it- so far! Again, my hunting is limited in range...just SE GA and Southern South Carolina.

There's no doubt, though, that if you want to cook and eat a pig then take a herd pig, between 75 and 125 lbs and you won't find any better eating on the planet.

Shoot a big boar to get a trophy would be my advice.

I'll pass on the recipe we use if anyone is interested?
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: David M. Mathis on February 24, 2006, 09:16:00 AM
Cook strong smelling hogs on a open pit outside and not in your house. For some reason some hogs don't smell as bad as others. Size doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Ray Hammond on February 24, 2006, 10:09:00 AM
i ALWAYS cook it outside, on a grill...off the coals, letting smoke and indirect heat cook it slowly while I baste it with apple cider vinegar, crushed red pepper flakes, and salt...oh man!
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: beachbowhunter on February 24, 2006, 12:47:00 PM
The worst of the rank flavor is in the fat. If you take as much as you can off and slow cook shoulders, etc.(braise or smoke) you will have better luck. The sausage maker I use throws in a little domestic hog fat and will add cheese to some styles to give it a little fatty texture. Hogs tend to be real lean out here. Ray, the hogs that used to be out on Catalina Island were inedible! They ate seaweed, dead fish, each other whatever they could find. Nasty!
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Ray Hammond on February 24, 2006, 02:06:00 PM
I've seen a lot of stuff that stunk over the years...but I've never smelled anything that rivaled those salt marsh mud dwellers for rankness!!!!!!!!

Yikes. Dead fish- I'm guessing they werent fresh either.....now that will curl your toes up just thinking about it!
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 24, 2006, 02:14:00 PM
Ray, Please reread the baiting section  :readit:  

That's not stink you are smelling. That's aroma de here piggy piggy! CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Ray Hammond on February 24, 2006, 05:05:00 PM
I hear you, Curtis!!
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: DAGATOR on February 25, 2006, 03:23:00 PM
Okay Littlefeather, I have some pictures for you to look over and tell me what you see in them. I was going after hogs yesterday here in SW Georgia and I came up on this hog bed. I know here have been some questions about the "bedding" aspect of hogs and I hope there are some answers in these pictures. This first picture shows a 15 yard circle area with more than 16 piles of scat all over the area. Look just above my bow and left and right of it. This is like the bathroom area of the sleeping quarters. There is a bedding area (nest) between the two large trees in the background. This is how I see things, so please tell me if this is different in your eyes.

 (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a338/DAGATOR16/HOG%20BED/HOG1.jpg)

Picture two is a different angle showing many piles of scat that are many days/months apart. I'm guessing that a herd will use this bed many times in a year? This is all news to me so tell me your thoughts.
 (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a338/DAGATOR16/HOG%20BED/HOG2.jpg)

Picture three is a close up of the bed (nest). I think they will nest up and climb all over each other during cold weather to stay warm. Is this what you see?
 (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a338/DAGATOR16/HOG%20BED/HOG3.jpg)

The fourth picture is a sixteen button rattle snake that will be on the back on my bow this summer. The first arrow missed 1 inch high. The second split his head.

 (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a338/DAGATOR16/HOG%20BED/HOG5.jpg)
Thanks for all input, Clay
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 26, 2006, 09:20:00 AM
Clay, those are interesting pics. Let me ask you a question or two. Where are these "beds" located? Ridge, open range, or other? The reason I ask is because I don't generally see lots of scat around the bedding areas. I seem to see more scat around the feeding areas or between feeding and bedding areas than anywhere else. The other thing I see is that it looks more like a Sow with young pigs made the spot in the dirt. Generally, if this is truly a bedding area you'll see these same type (beds)spots scattered along the length of the ridge for maybe a 50 yard area and not just a small localized spot. They also will appear to have been made days and weeks appart but never right of top of a place that has been bedded in before. They will instead bed adjacent to an old bed and not right in it. Id say you are getting close to the pigs but I am thinking this is more of a transition between a feeding and bedding area. Maybe a mid-morning/mid-day nap area. Which way is East? Where is the nearest water. Is there a higher location in close proximity that affords good viewing in one direction but has a prevailing wind that is exactly the other direction? Remember, your area and lay of the land is unfamiliar to me so you will have to kinda chalk up some of this info yourself. You are close, no doubt. You also are behind them for over a week from what I see and they haven't freshened anything since. Im thinking you need to go uphill in the early morning and stay on the East ridges. Nice snake. CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: DAGATOR on February 26, 2006, 12:37:00 PM
You are right on target. The "nest" is in a known hardwoods feeding area 20 yards off the creek and on the east side of it. There is not any sun light to speak of in this dark creek bottom. All the hogs i see in this area are smaller herd hogs and sows w/piglets. There is a very "very" thick clear cut across the creek on the west side. This is another known bedding area for both deer and hogs.
 (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a338/DAGATOR16/HOG%20BED/LAYOUT.jpg)
Clay
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: aussiebowhunter on February 26, 2006, 08:57:00 PM
interesting stuff...
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 27, 2006, 09:53:00 AM
Dang, lucky guess on my part! What's on the little ridge just north of the area you took pics of? Looking at the pic and hearing what you say about the terrain across the creek, I think Id start putting my efforts there. Nice drawing BTW. CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Ray Hammond on February 27, 2006, 10:08:00 AM
In my experience Clay you are going to find the big boars bedded up in the pine thicket, kind of backed up to that pond if the prevailing wind works to his benefit...if you can get in there (lots of briars usually) you will find some real heavy trails and cut up pine trees, wallows, etc..and your bigger boars will have themselves a few spots in there..but getting there without being detected and the hog exiting ahead of you will be a tough assignment.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Missouri CK on February 27, 2006, 02:00:00 PM
CK,

I have a question about night hunting.

I know you do some hog hunting at night. If sufficient moonlight isn’t available have you ever used a small battery powered light in a new set up location. I know you used that battery powered light at the bamboo blind but I didn't know if you had tried this somewhere else.

I have no clue how that would affect the game. I thought I would ask for any opinions.

Thanks,

Chris
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Missouri CK on February 27, 2006, 02:01:00 PM
oops. I double posted.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on February 27, 2006, 02:20:00 PM
The same lights you used at my house have worked cole-calling elsewhere as well. There is a new light I am awaiting right now. Mark Horne has recently discovered a blue light similar to the green I already use. He tells me he has done minimal experimenting with it but is extreemly impressed. If mine arrives soon, I'll let you try it at Texas Sweat. CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Terry Green on February 27, 2006, 05:12:00 PM
Cool pics and posts Clay.

Had some of your breading mix again this weekend on some cubed buff steaks.  Yum!.....thanks again.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: DAGATOR on February 27, 2006, 07:17:00 PM
Thanks Terry-
Glad you enjoy my breading mix. You need to fry some hog and turkey with it too! If anyone would like to get their hands on my breading mix, they can look up my personal information on Trad Gang to locate my website.

Thanks again Terry, Clay
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: DAGATOR on February 27, 2006, 07:19:00 PM
Thanks Terry-
Glad you enjoy my breading mix. You need to fry some hog and turkey with it too! If anyone would like to get their hands on my breading mix, they can look up my personal information on Trad Gang to locate my website.

Thanks again Terry, Clay
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Ray Hammond on February 27, 2006, 10:44:00 PM
Say, Terry...

Thats a handsome buffalo pedastal mount!

Think I will order some of that stuff to try, Clay. I bet it will be great on turkey breast fingers!
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Carbon Caster on February 27, 2006, 10:48:00 PM
Ray I didn't know Turkeys had fingers on their Breasts. LOL!!


I know better, but I just had to.
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Ray Hammond on February 28, 2006, 05:05:00 PM
There's a lot of stuff you don't know, bud!!!!!!! Just hang around and we will larn ya!   :knothead:      :D      :bigsmyl:

by the way, that's one of the ugliest, but most unique, deer mounts I have ever seen. I have the ugliest pig in the world, and you have the homeliest deer....great minds I guess!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: aussiebowhunter on March 01, 2006, 09:23:00 PM
thread gone quiet...
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: beachbowhunter on March 07, 2006, 06:39:00 PM
A friend just sent me this illustration of hog anatomy and I thought it was pretty neat. Looks like the visual top of the leg is the place to shoot to get the top of the heart and both lungs under the scapula...assuming it it accurate..

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/feralhog1.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Glenn Newell on March 07, 2006, 09:59:00 PM
That's a really good illustration Beachbowhunter, if I am broadside to a pig I always feel that the heart shot is not on unless the leg is foward. 90% of my shots on pigs are quatering away...Glenn...
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: wingnut on March 08, 2006, 09:25:00 AM
That's a great pic!!  I just sent it to my pig rookie partners for an upcoming hunt.  The worst thing you can hear from a partner is "I think it was a little back"  when hunting pigs.

Thanks!

Mike
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on March 08, 2006, 10:09:00 AM
Yea Mike, I've heard that way too many times. The other saying is "I swear, I hit him perfect".... That also translates to, "the shot was a bit far back".. LOL!

Shoot them quartering away or break that danged shoulder bone!!! CK
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Ray Hammond on March 14, 2006, 10:19:00 PM
I mentioned in one of my posts on this thread about hog "beds". Just found a photo of one with my recurve sitting next to it for perspective..the recurve is a 60 inch bow...

 (http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e322/rayhammond123/hogbed.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: yleecoyote23 on March 19, 2006, 07:43:00 PM
To the top for everyone!! And so I can finish reading and printing all this GREAT info!!!!  :thumbsup:  

Thanks to everyone for all their expertise and advice here!!
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Terry Green on April 04, 2007, 12:52:00 PM
Lot of hog talk lately.....so I'm bringing this one back up for some fine reading......
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Longbowwally on April 04, 2007, 02:37:00 PM
Here's a pic of a tree the hogs evidently love to rub in one of the areas I hog hunt. This particular tree is in a low spot in a dike that separates a swamp from the hardwoods. I kept planning to come back and sit on this spot but never did as I was having to much fun chasing the hogs...
   (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/wallyholmes/hogrubandbw.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Duper Hog info thread
Post by: Littlefeather on April 04, 2007, 05:22:00 PM
LOL! I was just thinking about this thread the last few days. Almost a year has past since this thread and I've learned so much new stuff in that years time. Hogs are so much fun and not very easy to gather data on. Just last night I got 133 pics of hogs on trailcam.  I watched a mud hole last week until some pigs showed up and started running and playing like little kids in the water and mud. Trying some new scents, baits, vocalizations. I now have several wild hogs as pets and it's helped very much in understanding their speech and what and when they use certain vocalizations. Cool animals! Lots of fun to study. So, who has something we should talk about? CK