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Title: Another great bowhunter presumed dead
Post by: Gene Wensel on October 04, 2004, 02:26:00 PM
I just got some terrible news from my buddy Mike Mitten. Paul Schafer's good friend Bart Schleyer is missing and presumed dead from a bear attack in British Columbia. He had recently finished a Stone sheep hunt and was flown into interior BC for a moose hunt alone. When he didn't show for his pick up, RCMP went in for a search. Weather conditions were not good. They found his camp but no sleeping bag. They called off the search due to bad weather. Friends from Alaska were not satisfied with the quick search (no bow, no arrows, no pack or sleeping pad) so they flew in with a Super Cub. They found his bow, arrows, sleeping bag, pack and a blood soaked face mask. Because of various clues at the camp, they speculate Bart was stalked and killed by a grizzly, possibly the first day in camp (Sept. 14). Two weeks went by before anyone realized anything even happened. It has been too long to survive without a sleeping bag. Its time for some heavy praying.
   RCMP is planning on returning with dogs and choppers as soon as the weather breaks, probably today. Bart was a soft spoken guy with a big heart and a great smile. He and Paul Schafer were best of friends and a lot alike. Paul backed up Bart on his brown bear bowhunt and filmed the kill. Bart lived an adventurous life. Ironically, Bart gave me the cast foot print of a huge Montana grizzly he cast years ago. The last time Mike Mitten saw him, he was fleshing a grizzly hide and they spoke of hunting bears together soon. Most recently Bart spent several years tracking and trapping Siberian tigers. You have probably seen him on the Discovery channel. He recently taught India officials his tiger trapping techniques. Bart started guiding bear hunters this past spring and was 3 for 3 on grizzlies in Alaska. He had started building a horn bow. Bart was a soft spoken guy who truly loved wilderness, wildlife and hunting with simple traditional gear.
   I will let you know if we get any further information. Until then, your prayers are much appreciated.
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Post by: StanM on October 04, 2004, 02:31:00 PM
Prayers sent.
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Post by: Jake on October 04, 2004, 02:32:00 PM
Praying for the best outcome.  I hope everything turns out alright.  Please keep us informed Gene.
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Post by: the Ferret on October 04, 2004, 02:34:00 PM
Hoping for the best, but it sounds like he went the way he lived...free spirited and in the wild.
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Post by: Sparta-T on October 04, 2004, 02:39:00 PM
Very sorry to hear this bad news........  I recall hearing Bart's name on occassion and trust the worst is not realized.  The only bright spot is that he was out doing what he loved, rather than lying in a hospital bed wasting away from some insidious disease.  

My prayers are added for his safe return.  TL
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Post by: Dano on October 04, 2004, 02:40:00 PM
I pray for good results, but it doesn't sound good to me either. I'll pray for family and friends.
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Post by: adkmountainken on October 04, 2004, 02:51:00 PM
prayer sent, fingers crossed, ya never know!
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Post by: Coop on October 04, 2004, 03:05:00 PM
Prayers sent!
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Post by: Walkingstick on October 04, 2004, 03:11:00 PM
Prayers offered....Mac~
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Post by: Raven on October 04, 2004, 03:15:00 PM
Prayers sent!! Better to go doing what you love the most..................Raven
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Post by: Missouri Bowman on October 04, 2004, 03:16:00 PM
Will say a prayer for him and his family.
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Post by: Jim Reamey on October 04, 2004, 03:17:00 PM
Prayers Sent!

Jim
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Post by: Beartracker on October 04, 2004, 03:37:00 PM
Prayers and will continue for this man.It sounds like he went the way he would have wanted to. Mike
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Post by: Randy Morin on October 04, 2004, 04:09:00 PM
Hopefully they can find something out there to put some sort of conclusion to an extrordinary life.  Thoughts and Prayers sent.
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Post by: Carcajou on October 04, 2004, 04:24:00 PM
That sucks...I saw the video of Schaf' backin' up Bart on his bear hunt in Alaska and thought..what better man to have as backup...First Schaf', then Jeff Booth, Now Bart..they played in Gods Country, and cheated death meany times I'm sure, but they were men who lived for true adventure with stick and string. My prayers go out to the Schleyer family, altho it doesnt sound good. Godspeed Bart.
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Post by: George Tsoukalas on October 04, 2004, 04:31:00 PM
Prayers have been sent.
George
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Post by: ber643 on October 04, 2004, 04:42:00 PM
My best to his family and friends. A hard thing to deal with.
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Post by: Strutter on October 04, 2004, 04:50:00 PM
Prayers sent.  Hope it turns out better than it sounds.
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Post by: olFatGuy KenWood on October 04, 2004, 05:10:00 PM
PRAYERS ON THE WAY!  My thought going towards his family.

KenWood
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Post by: W. H. Bill Fuller on October 04, 2004, 05:18:00 PM
Prayers are sent.  Let's hope for a miracle.
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Post by: insttech1 on October 04, 2004, 05:42:00 PM
Will send prayers; keep us informed.
Take Care,
Marc
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Post by: Matt E on October 04, 2004, 05:49:00 PM
I have prayed for him and his family.
Take care all.
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Post by: John Nail on October 04, 2004, 05:58:00 PM
I didn't know the man, of course, but I like him already. Sad news and really bad for his family, but what a way for a man to go!
Beats Hell out of the Nursing home.
I sure hope they find some remains for closure.
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Post by: Philip on October 04, 2004, 06:15:00 PM
Prayers being sent.
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Post by: Chippy on October 04, 2004, 06:20:00 PM
Prayers sent and I will hope for the best. As a solo adventurer myself its the unexpected that will get you in trouble,
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Post by: sticshooter on October 04, 2004, 06:26:00 PM
Prayers sent from Wisconsin.><>
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Post by: LONGHORN on October 04, 2004, 07:04:00 PM
Prayers sent from Ontario.
Serge
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Post by: ArticArcher on October 04, 2004, 07:12:00 PM
Prayers sent from Alaska.  I wish you good luck and clear weather so you can find him and bring him home.  God BLESS!!!
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Post by: Instinctor on October 04, 2004, 07:23:00 PM
Prayers sent
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Post by: woodland on October 04, 2004, 08:05:00 PM
Bart you will be in my familes prayers,
Dan.
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Post by: 2-BIG on October 04, 2004, 08:42:00 PM
Prayers sent!
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Post by: Mark Fedrizzi on October 04, 2004, 08:51:00 PM
..........My prayers.....
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Post by: W. H. Bill Fuller on October 04, 2004, 08:51:00 PM
Looks like they have found his remains, unfortunately,  www.whitehorsestar.com (http://www.whitehorsestar.com)

we are all sad
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Post by: Doug Campbell on October 04, 2004, 08:51:00 PM
Prayers sent and gotta 2nd or 3rd it that if ya gotta go then go doin what you love!!
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Post by: Timo on October 04, 2004, 10:02:00 PM
I remember this fella.At least I remember seeing some pics of him and Paul with a big bear.

Prayers sent for him, and his family.
Title: Re: Another great bowhunter presumed dead
Post by: Barry Wensel on October 04, 2004, 10:37:00 PM
I find things hard to understand sometimes. After Paul Schafer's death Bart wrote me a nice letter about lost friendships and living each day to it's fullest because we never know. He said Paul spoke so highly of my brother and I that he wanted to get to know us better. I'm sad to say circumstances never let it happen. I just wanted to thank everyone for their kind words and prayers. BW
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Post by: Roughcountry on October 04, 2004, 10:49:00 PM
This sounds like a extraordinary man. Very sorry to not have the oportunity of meeting him. I to will send a prayer the next time I'm in the wild country. A prayer of thanks for a man like this and a prayer to comfort his loved ones.
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Post by: arraflipper on October 04, 2004, 11:10:00 PM
My prayers will be sent tonight when I hit my knees.  Sounds like the kid of guy I would of liked to met and be able to call a friend!!!
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Post by: Mudfeather on October 04, 2004, 11:26:00 PM
ClintV said a mouthfull. We never like death or the seperation but didn't the indians consider that death an highly honorable one?? Prayers sent for family and friends!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Holm-Made on October 04, 2004, 11:47:00 PM
Continued prayers for the family and friends,  Chad
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Post by: Jim Stewart on October 05, 2004, 01:22:00 AM
Sad news.  More prayers up for family & friends...
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Post by: el cazador on October 05, 2004, 02:51:00 AM
Prayers sent for his friends and family. God Bless.
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Post by: Psycho on October 05, 2004, 03:51:00 AM
Prayers sent. God's blessings to his family.
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Post by: Ironfist_Canada on October 05, 2004, 05:09:00 AM
Yup , live every day to the fullest and always do your best. This man was indeed an extraordinary man. Loving soiltude like that ,adoring the outdoors.Yes he was doing what he liked best.Its always a sad thing when this kind of thing happens. My best goes out to the family and all who are close to him. Be well .  John in N.S.
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Post by: Brian L on October 05, 2004, 06:52:00 AM
Prayers sent for Bart, friends, and family.
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Post by: RayMO on October 05, 2004, 07:57:00 AM
Sad news for all of us. Barry it sounds like Bart left us doing the very thing he loved so much. And yes his words of living each day ring even more true than before!

Prayers for family and friends.

God bless them…..

Ray
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Post by: so tx pighunter on October 05, 2004, 08:06:00 AM
Prayers sent to Bart and his family.


Peace and walk the way of the hunter.
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Post by: TexMex on October 05, 2004, 08:17:00 AM
Prayers sent- Juan
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Post by: Ray Lyon on October 05, 2004, 08:55:00 AM
I'm sorry to hear the news and we'll keep Bart/family/friends in our thoughts and prayers.

Friends are a special gift and it sure hurts when we loose them.
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Post by: Donavan Daniel on October 05, 2004, 09:08:00 AM
Prayers sent.

God bless,
Donavan
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Post by: John3 on October 05, 2004, 10:05:00 AM
Prayers and more prayers for the family. I have thought a lot about this since getting home from black bear hunting yesterday. I was in mountains but not bushplane outthere. I just cannot understand going out to true wilderness for weeks by yourself. Did he have a firearm for backup? Granted I have never been in country like that and do not know "how" huge bears normally act. This scares me more than I want to admit. A life ending doing what you love is a life well spent.
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Post by: Ray Lyon on October 05, 2004, 10:06:00 AM
Article from the Whitehorse newspaper:

Remains of lost hunter believed found

By Chuck Tobin

Police have recovered human remains they believe are those of a Whitehorse bow hunter reported missing last week in a remote area west of Stewart Crossing.
The discovery was made Sunday after Whitehorse tracker Dibs Williams travelled into the Reid Lakes on his own initiative to see if he could locate his friend, 49-year-old Bart Schleyer, days after the RCMP had ceased their active search of the area.
Williams came across the bow, a shredded balaclava with hair in it, and other articles belonging to Schleyer in thick brush, off the game trail, about 60 metres from where Schleyer’s rubber boat was found tied up last week, RCMP spokesman Sgt. Guy Rook confirmed this morning.
He said upon receiving the new evidence turned up by Williams, police organized a team of about dozen, comprised of police officers, conservation officers and civilian trackers, who flew into the site by helicopter Sunday.
The human remains – a skull with its teeth, and various bones – were located at 6 p.m. about 100 metres from the site of articles discovered by Williams, Rook said.
He said bear and wolf tracks were found in the vicinity of the remains.
The team was on the ground to begin its grid search at 11 a.m.
“We suspect that the human remains are Mr. Schleyer,” Rook said. “However, we are waiting for forensic analysis to confirm the identification.”
In a letter appearing in today’s Star, a friend of Schleyer’s from his hometown of Cheyenne, Wyoming, describes him as world-renowned wildlife biologist with extensive experience living in back-country wilderness areas to study large carnivores.
Schleyer was reported missing last Monday when a Mayo bush pilot reported he had missed the prearranged pickup date, and that his camp looked abandoned. The pilot had dropped Schleyer at the larger of the two Reid Lakes on Sept. 14.
Police conducted an air search Tuesday, followed Wednesday by what Mayo RCMP Cpl. Guy Lagimodiere described last week as an extensive ground and ai search.
Lagimodiere said Thursday the search indicated there had not been anybody at the camp for two weeks or longer, and that Schleyer had likely not spent more than a day at his camp – maybe two.
No fire had been lit, and evidence showed remnants of just one meal being consumed, the corporal said.
The RCMP came under fire Thursday from a Whitehorse woman and a friend of Schleyer, Tammy Somerton, who expressed concern and disappointment that the police had no further plans to search the area.
Rook said while the police did not return to the site until after the discovery of several articles by Williams, they had been planning a search as well as making some inquiries to ensure Schleyer hadn’t walked out of the area and possibly contacted somebody.
The ground search on Wednesday indicated there was no sign of activity in the area, and the RCMP essentially didn’t know where to begin looking in a vast area of dense bush, and needed to develop a plan, Rook said.
He said it was believed Schleyer had either left the area, or that police would be searching for a body.
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Post by: FLHunter on October 05, 2004, 10:08:00 AM
Thats a shame.

I'm sure that Bart would not lived life any other way.  When you live a bit on the edge experiencing many things that most others only dream of things can happen. Bart lived his dreams to the fullest, I'm sure he died with no regrets.

God's speed Bart.
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Post by: HACKSAW on October 05, 2004, 11:18:00 AM
Prayers sent and hoping for the best.
Let us know the outcome.
Hope the search turns up some thing good.
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Post by: bayoulongbowman on October 05, 2004, 12:38:00 PM
Thats so sad....prayers for a bowhunters sent #78
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Post by: AkDan on October 05, 2004, 08:52:00 PM
I read this last nite and am still in disbelief having heard quie a bit about him.  Seeing a few of the old pics, including one of him and a very nice ram he shot here in Alaska.   I missed Jay before he passed, never heard of Jeff till he passed..., I put off meeting John Dodge till spring time, and now Bart!  uhhhh is all I can say.

Prayers and best wish's to his family and friends...
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Post by: Littlefeather on October 05, 2004, 09:36:00 PM
I've not read this till now. Cold Sweat! Im really without much words. CK
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Post by: countrygirl on October 05, 2004, 09:53:00 PM
So sad...prayers for his family and friends...Dina
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Post by: Shawn Leonard on October 05, 2004, 09:53:00 PM
When my time comes I hope and pray that it is doing something I love. God bless him and his family and friends. Best wishes!! Shawn
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Post by: Tom D on October 05, 2004, 10:38:00 PM
Prayers sent from MO.

TomD
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Post by: paul on October 05, 2004, 10:40:00 PM
I too saw the Traditional Bowhunter article with Bart and a nice sheep taken with a self bow.I was impressed !Well hopefully Bart, Paul Schafer and Jeff Booth are somewhere hunting together again doing what they love to do.A terrible loss...I'll pray for him.
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Post by: Mark U on October 06, 2004, 12:24:00 AM
This whole situation is pretty profound.  There's a percentage of us who advocate the hardcore-hardhunt-risk taking adventures most people wouldn't dream of, and relish the anticipation, execution, and final rewards those adventures relinquish.  Unfortunately, there is a very small percentage of the risk takers who pay the price of living on the edge, and it looks like Bart got picked on this one.

  There seems to be a lot of sentiment alluding to the fact that if you die doing what you loved to do, then it's all worthwhile.  I don't buy that.  And I doubt that Bart thought,in his final stand, that this was a fitting end to 49 years of earthly toil and termoil.
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Post by: Mark Baker on October 06, 2004, 01:03:00 AM
Wow! I just got back from elk hunting today and am just floored with this news. Sad, indeed. Bart and I went to college together, and lived on the same dorm floor...he working on his masters, and me a young zoology student. Bart was the only other bowhunter I knew, and we were good friends at the time, though life and distance kept us from staying in touch with each other. I, too, have that video footage of Bart and Paul....some of the most awesome stuff I've ever watched, even in it's rough state.
Bart worked for years with the Interagency Grizzly Bear Study team in Yellowstone while going to school...collaring and tracking grizzlies all over the Yellowstone ecosystem. Then going on to Alaska to do much the same thing before he took on the Siberian Tiger project. If anyone really knew grizzlies, it was Bart. Paul and Bart were indeed a lot alike, although I never knew Paul....just met him a time or two and talked a bit. They both were physically what most of us would want to be....and lived a humble and thankful life. The time I knew Bart, he never drank, cussed, or had a bad word to say about anybody....very humble, almost shy in a lot of ways. Did his masters thesis on "road-kill"....really! Had a dead cat (one of his road-kill specimans) named "sparky breadsacks" (on account of the sacks rubber-banded to his feet) that was our floor maskot. Bart was already an accomplished bowhunter at the time, having taken bighorn sheep among other critters. I think about him often....and now this. My prayers go out to his family, friends and those affected by his loss.
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Post by: Lee Viv on October 06, 2004, 10:58:00 AM
I too saw that video of Paul and Bart's.  What great stuff!!  He, Paul, and Jeff are together again.  I was just on the Schafer Silvertip website, and was reading the tributes to Paul, and they had the pic of those guys with Bart's bear from Kodiak.

We've lost another great person, and prayers go out to family and friends.  I'll think of him, Paul, and Jeff when I in the deer woods this week with my Silvertip in my hand!!

God Bless Bart!

Lee Vivian  "[dntthnk]"
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Post by: Lee Viv on October 06, 2004, 11:00:00 AM
As a tribute to those gusy, I'm gonna use that Kodiak pic as my computer backdrop!!

Lee  :(
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Post by: Lee Viv on October 06, 2004, 11:06:00 AM
If anyone's interested, on the Schafer Silvertip website, there's an article written by Bart, about Paul.  It has a picture of Paul, Jeff, and Bart with Bart's grizzly.  It's in the "Tribute to Paul" section, under the title "Bowhunter of Bowhunters".  Check it out at  www.schafersilvertipbows.com (http://www.schafersilvertipbows.com)

Lee Vivian
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Post by: Sparta-T on October 06, 2004, 11:36:00 AM
Mark U--Not exactly sure what you were intending to confer in the last paragraph of your post, but I believe most of us view living one's life in the manner they select, along with accepting the inherent risks, as a life well-spent.  Obviously no one wanted a fellow outdoorsman's life to end this soon and in such a horrific manner, yet cancer, a heart attack, a car accident, or even a random crime could have ended his life without nearly the meaning.

Bush pilots sometimes crash, alpine hunters sometimes slip, horse riders sometimes get flipped or crushed, motorcyclists sometimes abruptly meet the pavement, climbers sometimes fall, etc, etc....... as life is not typically "fair".  The sentiment that has been expressed was not to devalue his existance in any manner, but simply to put a bit of perspective on the matter.  If Bart had worried about such things, he likely would not have been out among grizzleys and especially alone among them.  At times you take an acceptable risk and then deal with the outcome, no matter how harsh.  TL
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Post by: JC on October 06, 2004, 12:05:00 PM
Personally, I do think dying doing something you love makes it all worthwhile.  

My wife was almost killed in an accident while training a green horse last Sept.  She will never be able to do more than hobble speed again and lives in almost constant pain....but that horse would have had to kill her to keep her from doing what she loves.  She still works with our horses every day, handicap or not, and I support her 100%. She ain't gonna stop doin what she loves to do just like I wouldn't if injured while hunting.

As one of the characters in Open Range said, "There's lots worse things than dying."  One of them is living my life without doing what I love.
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Post by: Burnsie on October 07, 2004, 09:55:00 PM
I just found this thread and it sent chills down my spine.  I just returned from an Idaho bow hunt a couple weeks ago.  While working my way down through a drainage I stumbled into bear at about 35-40yds.  At first it was an exciting moment, but then things got tense when I realized I was looking at a Grizzly.  It got tenser when out of the corner of my eye I see the sows 2 good sized cubs come running up next to her. At that point I wasn't sure if they were aware of my presence, but then the sow turned stood on her back legs and started eyeing me up while making a low gutteral noise.  The cub scenerio had me prepared for the worst. Suddenly the sow dropped and ran diagonally towards me to my left. For a split second I thought this was going to be it, but she just kept going up over a knoll with her cubs in tow.  I immeadiately took of in the opposite direction watching my back for about 20 minutes.  It wasn't until I stopped and thought about what had happened that I realized how ugly it could have got.  This tragedy really hit hard with me when I read about it.
My prayers go out to everyone who knew Mr. Schleyler.
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Post by: Weasel on October 07, 2004, 10:06:00 PM
Man, that's bad news.  Prayers sent.

Jerry
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Post by: Thunder on October 07, 2004, 10:23:00 PM
I guess I see and understand both sides.  I've been the brunt of a number of griz 'encounters'...I remember vividly each one, and I especially remember vividly thinking 'oh Lord, this is gonna hurt'.  I remember for weeks after thinking about each one of those episodes, and remember that line about 'well, at least he died doing what he loved.......'

I don't think...well, at least for me...it's that I die doing what I love.  Heck, that's a given..it's what happens just before that bothers me.

I'd also like to take my hat off to his friend, that decided the RCMP weren't doing enough and went back in on his own to find this man.  I think that speaks volumes for both men.

This sad story sends a chill down my spine.  I offer up a prayer for him, and for the family/friends he left behind.

God Bless.
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Post by: Guru on October 07, 2004, 10:26:00 PM
I hate to hear things like this.We've lost another good one.My prayers are sent.
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Post by: doctorbrady on October 07, 2004, 11:10:00 PM
Prayers sent.  May his family find some peace.
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Post by: Stealthycat on October 08, 2004, 12:33:00 PM
Sad I never heard this man's name until now, and after reading what ya'll say about him .......... its kinda like the stories about Paul, those of us not really in the know about the guys who've lived and breathed trad archery for the past 25 years are unknown to us. Its a shame in a way that greatest isn't recognized until after death, isn't it ?
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Post by: WildmanSC on October 08, 2004, 12:50:00 PM
For every great one that grabs the headlines, there are two or three others in the background that you hardly ever hear about that are just as great and that contribute just as much, if not more, than those we read about.  

Thanks Gene for sharing this bad news with us.  I've been praying for Bart and his family.  And has been said, it is a shame that his life had to end like this and that many of us had not known about him until now.  May God's sufficient grace meet the needs of his family and friends in this hour of need.

Bill
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Post by: Doc Nock on October 08, 2004, 03:06:00 PM
I stand in awe of people who do things like that...and alone yet.  

Thunder has regaled me at several shoots with stories of the great bears... my heart-felt prayers to those left behind.
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Post by: Joseph on October 09, 2004, 04:51:00 AM
Mark U and JC, I don't think anyone was suggesting that his death was worthwhile.  I think the sentiment that people were alluding to is that it is better to die doing what you love than the allternatives.  While I am sure getting killed by a Grizzly is not pleasant, I myself would prefer that to what I have to watch on a daily basis.  I am an RN in a Skilled Nursing Center and have to watch people slowly shrivel up and die for lack of a better description.  It can be quite depressing at times for me.  I can't imagine what is like for them.  No one should ever have to wear a diaper again after they get out of them the first time.  After being a nurse for 6 1/2 years death by just about anything fast starts to look pretty good.  While a bear wouldn't be my first choice I'd rather go fast while I was doing something I love.  Just my thoughts.  Joseph
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Post by: Brian Halbleib on October 09, 2004, 09:44:00 AM
Terrible news. I just got back from Alaska a few weeks ago and the only weapon I took was my longbow...makes you think.

My condolences to his family and friends. I know from how highly some of you speak of him that he will be dearly missed.

-Brian
Title: Re: Another great bowhunter presumed dead
Post by: Jeff Holchin on October 10, 2004, 05:26:00 PM
Prayers offered for Bart's family and friends.

I often hunt alone, and wonder what would happen if....... but then I remember, when God decides it is my time, no matter where I am, what I'm doing, it is out of my hands and into HIS hands..

Speaking of long wilderness hunts alone in dangerous country, did Monty Browning get back OK from his month long Alaska hunt?

Jeff
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Post by: Bpaul on October 10, 2004, 05:48:00 PM
Prayers sent for his family and friends.  Just another reminder to live life to the fullest, and this guy sure sounds like he did.  A good example for us all.

B
Title: Re: Another great bowhunter presumed dead
Post by: Lee Viv on October 10, 2004, 05:57:00 PM
I agree with WildmanSC.  There are so many "under the radar" great bowhunters, known only to those of us who are interested in that.  There are so many more dedicated people, other than the hight profile, on the wekly tv show guys.

I'd love to read a book about guys like Paul Schafer, and his hunts and stories by those who knew him.  Also guys like Bart, and Brackenbury, and those we will never be able to talk to of gain wisdom from.


Lee Vivian
Title: Re: Another great bowhunter presumed dead
Post by: Lee Viv on October 10, 2004, 06:00:00 PM
I'd like to suggest that someone write a book about some of these guys.  Barry or Gene, Paul Brunner, Don Thomas are guys who could use their celebrity status to compile a book of stories about these guys.

I know I'd buy one and read it, as well as many others who have heard some of the stories of the adventures and lives of these bowhunters.

Lee Vivian  :notworthy:
Title: Re: Another great bowhunter presumed dead
Post by: Dano on October 17, 2004, 08:23:00 AM
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