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Title: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on September 18, 2013, 09:27:00 PM
After over 1000 pages and 15000 posts, the original ""HH bug got me" thread hit a forum software threshold and refused to work, so that thread has been fixed and this one continues the great tradition of the original American flatbow, the Howard Hill Longbow!

... please continue that great conversation!

       :campfire:       

        :shaka:   

PART ONE IS    HERE (http://www.tradgang.com/tgsmf/index.php?topic=100971.0)   

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Below is Pokerdaddy's "Echo" that's being referenced in the other posts below.

"Met Chuck Deshler from Two Tracks yesterday.  Picked up an Echo that ya'll gotta see.  66" 54@28.  All Walnut limbs with clear glass.  Beautiful Myrtle riser with exposed fades.  Got her dialed in today, and I gotta say she's a shooter!"

This pic is from Chuck, before she was finished up.
     (http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g383/amzlongbow/040.jpg) (http://s1099.photobucket.com/user/amzlongbow/media/040.jpg.html)

Here she is all dolled up.
     (http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g383/amzlongbow/043-1.jpg) (http://s1099.photobucket.com/user/amzlongbow/media/043-1.jpg.html)

     (http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g383/amzlongbow/044-1.jpg) (http://s1099.photobucket.com/user/amzlongbow/media/044-1.jpg.html)

     (http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g383/amzlongbow/045.jpg) (http://s1099.photobucket.com/user/amzlongbow/media/045.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: TxAg on September 15, 2013, 10:03:00 PM
That echo looks nice!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: K.S.TRAPPER on September 15, 2013, 10:24:00 PM
We finally got some cooler weather and it sure is nice to be out shooting more then just a few shots before the heat ran me back inside. My Hill style BBO I built sure is a pleasure to shoot.

 (http://i904.photobucket.com/albums/ac248/TmPotter47/095095d6.jpg)

 (http://i904.photobucket.com/albums/ac248/TmPotter47/0c38c133.jpg)

Tracy
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Pokerdaddy on September 15, 2013, 10:24:00 PM
Saturday I also received a new-to-me JD Berry Morningstar from member lineman72.  Sweet reverse-handle with a touch of backset.  66" 51@27, so also roughly 54@28.  Haven't had a chance to take any pics of it yet, but it can be seen in the thread, "Elegance, JD Berry Morningstar".

Good weekend!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: RC on September 18, 2013, 09:44:00 PM
Ahhhhh Yeahhh.
 Charlie...thats the biggest Rabbit I ever seen. Crossed with a goat? RC
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 15, 2013, 11:06:00 PM
Oh my. You got yourself a couple gems then. I love my reverse handles
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Knawbone on September 18, 2013, 09:54:00 PM
Holly crap Charlie, I didn't know Snowshoe Hares could get that big!How much do you figure it weighed? Picture might be deceiving, but that bunnies got to be 16 to 20 lbs anyway. Nice! Round two ah!     :clapper:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: nineworlds9 on September 15, 2013, 11:18:00 PM
Looks like Chuck Deschler makes a winner with that Echo.  Now how about some Shrew Hills Chuck!? Lol.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: akbowbender on September 16, 2013, 12:37:00 AM
Great looking bow, Andrew! And a Morning Star too? Wow!

How do you like the feel of those 66"ers?
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Charlie Lamb on September 16, 2013, 07:41:00 AM
Tracy... VERY NICE!!! I think you are getting the hang of it and glad to hear you're getting out and shooting. The weather does make it easier.

I got out after deer last night but didn't see anything except a fox squirrel that really didn't like the looks of me.
If I'd have had a squirrel arrow with me I'd have settled his rant. As it was after a half hour straight of his chattering, I cut a sapling that was nice and straight, trimmed the bumps and limbs, cut a nock in it and shot it at him. (left handed pinch draw) That made him leave even though it was flying sideways when it went past him.

Looking for the mother load of white oak acorns for now so I'll be moving around a lot.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: sticksnstones on September 16, 2013, 08:29:00 AM
Good looking Echo Andrew! I look forward to seeing it up close in the future.

Camp h(A)mbush might have to be renamed Echo Base!
Thom
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: two4hooking on September 16, 2013, 09:25:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Charlie Lamb:
Tracy... VERY NICE!!! I think you are getting the hang of it and glad to hear you're getting out and shooting. The weather does make it easier.

I got out after deer last night but didn't see anything except a fox squirrel that really didn't like the looks of me.
If I'd have had a squirrel arrow with me I'd have settled his rant. As it was after a half hour straight of his chattering, I cut a sapling that was nice and straight, trimmed the bumps and limbs, cut a nock in it and shot it at him. (left handed pinch draw) That made him leave even though it was flying sideways when it went past him.

Looking for the mother load of white oak acorns for now so I'll be moving around a lot.
:biglaugh:  

This one wasn't so lucky Saturday.

  (http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr180/two4hooking/20130914_090558_zpsff881172.jpg) (http://s481.photobucket.com/user/two4hooking/media/20130914_090558_zpsff881172.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: RC on September 16, 2013, 11:57:00 AM
My homemade longbow worked very good first Morning on the stand.

It was a bit shiny so I put some paint on it.RC


  (http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/bows/2013%20critters/IMG_0094_zpsb9dfaf99.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/rcswampbucket/media/bows/2013%20critters/IMG_0094_zpsb9dfaf99.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Butch Speer on September 16, 2013, 12:22:00 PM
RC,
If you keep hunting in GA. there won't be any animals left in that state cause your a killin' machine!        :jumper:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Bud B. on September 16, 2013, 02:58:00 PM
Congrats many times over RC!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on September 16, 2013, 06:32:00 PM
Congrats RC.....that bow's hardly old enough to shave.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: RC on September 16, 2013, 10:25:00 PM
It was a good evening too....

  (http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/bows/2013%20critters/IMG_0109_zps02592e4f.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/rcswampbucket/media/bows/2013%20critters/IMG_0109_zps02592e4f.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: TJK68 on September 16, 2013, 10:27:00 PM
Congrats,  you are off to a heck of a start RC. Nice job.
Tom
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Overspined on September 16, 2013, 11:19:00 PM
We can all safely assume that RC is in no way a vegetarian...I have a feeling he's providing protein to a small nation from the swamps of GA...

Very Nice RC!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mudd on September 17, 2013, 12:03:00 AM
I'm just double checking.

Two in the same day RC?

Wowsers!!!

Congratulations!

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: mbugland on September 17, 2013, 01:03:00 AM
wow... what a way to get the season started. I have to get out of doing these night classes and get back in the woods.

The weather even cooled off enough to give you that itch. I have to go back and read how to make that DIY wedged tree seat. Don't think I will make it up the tree... but can certainly lay against it.

This thread always keeps me away from training wheels and crossbows... as long as it can keep my shoulder convinced of that too.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: nineworlds9 on September 17, 2013, 03:18:00 AM
Dang RC nice job
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: RC on September 17, 2013, 06:25:00 AM
Thanks guys. A first for me Brother Mudd. I`ve killed several doubles and deer morning and evening but never killed a deer the first Morning and first evening hunt of  the year. RC
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: mikebiz on September 17, 2013, 06:27:00 AM
RC is on fire.  That new bow has some magic in it.  That is awesome.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: unclewhit on September 17, 2013, 09:10:00 AM
Love this thread!!!!!    :thumbsup:   Time to update the slide show. MORE PICS!!!!!!!!!   :)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: RC on September 17, 2013, 10:04:00 AM
Hey fellers...just noticed we about to hit that 1000 page thread. You gotta love it.RC
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Doc Nock on September 19, 2013, 09:35:00 AM
You can tell who hasn't read Charlie's excellent book!

BTW, Charlie, how is the leg/knee lo these many years later!???   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: two4hooking on September 17, 2013, 10:09:00 AM
Here is a better pic of my "skewerel" the other day.

Hope to get a few more soon....

  (http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr180/two4hooking/squirr002_zps1a7b9efc.jpg) (http://s481.photobucket.com/user/two4hooking/media/squirr002_zps1a7b9efc.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: centaur on September 17, 2013, 10:10:00 AM
We need more pics of Hill styles used to do what they are meant for; Hunting!
I hope to post a pic of something with  tan colored hair in the near future, but until then, here is a pic of my Cheetah at a place where the big wapiti hang out.
  (http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac67/peastes/IMG_0422_zps88309674.jpg) (http://s886.photobucket.com/user/peastes/media/IMG_0422_zps88309674.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mudd on September 17, 2013, 10:11:00 AM
two4hooking Nice photo!!

I love it!!

RC my counter must be off as I'm still reading 999.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: TJK68 on September 17, 2013, 10:28:00 AM
This thread is going to bust a 1000 pages. Lol!!!!
I am loving my new found addiction to the Hill style bows family. Great pics guys.
Tom
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Linwood Hines on September 17, 2013, 11:31:00 AM
1,000!  Wow!  Thank you all for feeding my stoke!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: ron w on September 17, 2013, 11:43:00 AM
I was just on the Hill site, I'm thinking about a bow blank. Anyone have a photo of an Owl, osage and boo?
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Josh Perdue on September 17, 2013, 11:49:00 AM
Good job RC
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: swampthing on September 17, 2013, 11:53:00 AM
Backset....    (http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv247/pukingguts/5145a8aa-7cf6-49a4-bfbe-479d32bbc072_zpsc4924ab3.jpg) (http://s688.photobucket.com/user/pukingguts/media/5145a8aa-7cf6-49a4-bfbe-479d32bbc072_zpsc4924ab3.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: swampthing on September 17, 2013, 11:55:00 AM
Handshock, length, all the negative stuff you hear is just not an issue when you are "out hunting"
  (http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv247/pukingguts/DSC_1063.jpg) (http://s688.photobucket.com/user/pukingguts/media/DSC_1063.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: swampthing on September 17, 2013, 11:56:00 AM
Not fancy enough...
  (http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv247/pukingguts/DSC_4162.jpg) (http://s688.photobucket.com/user/pukingguts/media/DSC_4162.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: swampthing on September 17, 2013, 11:57:00 AM
I don't know what "they" mean..  (http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv247/pukingguts/P1040117.jpg) (http://s688.photobucket.com/user/pukingguts/media/P1040117.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: swampthing on September 17, 2013, 11:59:00 AM
To some that may matter, but not all that important to me.  (http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv247/pukingguts/DSC_4870_zps4a9f4594.jpg) (http://s688.photobucket.com/user/pukingguts/media/DSC_4870_zps4a9f4594.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: swampthing on September 17, 2013, 12:03:00 PM
Great hunting weapon, thank you Howard, I appreciate it.  (http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv247/pukingguts/P1030965.jpg) (http://s688.photobucket.com/user/pukingguts/media/P1030965.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: RC on September 17, 2013, 12:07:00 PM
1000 pages . Must be something special bout these bows.RC
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: nineworlds9 on September 17, 2013, 12:09:00 PM
Give it up for 1000 pages!!! Woohoo!!!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: mikebiz on September 17, 2013, 12:38:00 PM
1,000 pages is pretty ridiculous.  I guess the rumors about the sickness are true.  Think this thread will make it to 2,000?
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Irish Archer on September 17, 2013, 01:08:00 PM
Swamp,

That's one fine lookin' bow!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: moebow on September 17, 2013, 01:15:00 PM
Yep!  A milestone reached.  Is this a Guinness Book accomplishment??

Arne
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on September 17, 2013, 01:20:00 PM
There has been so much information, encouragement, beauty, and success written in the preceding 999 pages.  Here's to another 1000.     :campfire:    :archer2:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: TxAg on September 17, 2013, 01:27:00 PM
:clapper:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 17, 2013, 01:36:00 PM
Outstanding!!!! These "outdated" "inefficient" bows must be doing something right
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Centex on September 17, 2013, 03:09:00 PM
I came in around page 700 and hope to still be here at page 2000!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: RC on September 17, 2013, 03:16:00 PM
Lets make a good start for 2000 pages by everyone posting a slober dripping picture of the present Hill style bow they shoot. Here ya go...RC

  (http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/bows/2013%20critters/IMG_0119_zps7c9db17b.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/rcswampbucket/media/bows/2013%20critters/IMG_0119_zps7c9db17b.jpg.html)

  (http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/bows/2013%20critters/IMG_0109_zps02592e4f.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/rcswampbucket/media/bows/2013%20critters/IMG_0109_zps02592e4f.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: moebow on September 17, 2013, 03:39:00 PM
Which one??

  (http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae274/moebow1/CIMG0242.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/moebow1/media/CIMG0242.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: TJK68 on September 17, 2013, 04:17:00 PM
Here is one of my favorites, my 68" Northern Mist Classic and my home made quiver.
Tom

  (http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y313/TJK68/20130913_173739_resized_zps5089055e.jpg) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/TJK68/media/20130913_173739_resized_zps5089055e.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: RC on September 17, 2013, 04:34:00 PM
Moebow, that is a slobber inducing pic. RC
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: stik&string on September 17, 2013, 05:00:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by ron w:
I was just on the Hill site, I'm thinking about a bow blank. Anyone have a photo of an Owl, osage and boo?
Ron I had an Owl that was IMHO the best looking Hill I have owned. Unfortunately the pics of it were on my phone and it is no longer working. As far as performance, it was right up there with the all bamboo bows but with a little more thump at release.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: nineworlds9 on September 17, 2013, 05:28:00 PM
Most of you have seen 'La Grange' the phenolic Big River, but here she is again:

 (http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/null_zps1ad8a8a7.jpg)
 (http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/null_zps6abdd434.jpg)

Also, I couldn't resist, I bought Joe's righty 70" 105@30 Bama Tribute:

 (http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/null_zps181232c7.jpg)

Tendonitis be damned!!!

I already commissioned a lefty one with Nate, should be done in about 3-4 months.  Wenge riser blacked out beauty 70" 100@30..she'll be named 'Werewolf'.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 17, 2013, 06:04:00 PM
Danny,
That is one of my favorite, if not favorite lines ,paragraphs about the longbow and my love for it. When I was reading Instinctive Shoooting 2 and got to that point it blew me away at the truth behind it and how he captured it into words.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: bicster on September 17, 2013, 06:46:00 PM
I was a member of Dick Wightmans Howard Hill email list until it was finally ended. About that time this thread started and I have read every single post since the day it started. Thank you all for giving me something to feed my daily addiction.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Ric O'Shay on September 17, 2013, 07:12:00 PM
Thanks Brian. That's a section of his book that has stuck with me. Fred autographed my copy at Pope & Young earlier this year. He and his bride Teresa are great folks to be around and just sit and talk.

   :campfire:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on September 17, 2013, 07:43:00 PM
Beautiful display of your Hill's, Arne.  True inspiration.

My list ebbs and flows, and am on the hunt for another Wesley at the moment, but here's my Half Breed "Second Chance", which is where I rest my tab and my hopes with season now only 12 days away.

   (http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/Back%20Quiver/DSCN0888-1.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/Back%20Quiver/DSCN0888-1.jpg.html)

  (http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/Howard%20Hill%20Half%20Breed/DSCN0830.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/Howard%20Hill%20Half%20Breed/DSCN0830.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: David Mitchell on September 17, 2013, 08:09:00 PM
Pics of my Owl TD.

  (http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy241/davidmitchell_6466/Hill%20Owl%20TD/HillOwlTD004.jpg) (http://s796.photobucket.com/user/davidmitchell_6466/media/Hill%20Owl%20TD/HillOwlTD004.jpg.html)

  (http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy241/davidmitchell_6466/Hill%20Owl%20TD/HillOwlTD001.jpg) (http://s796.photobucket.com/user/davidmitchell_6466/media/Hill%20Owl%20TD/HillOwlTD001.jpg.html)

  (http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy241/davidmitchell_6466/Hill%20Owl%20TD/HillOwlTD008.jpg) (http://s796.photobucket.com/user/davidmitchell_6466/media/Hill%20Owl%20TD/HillOwlTD008.jpg.html)

  (http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy241/davidmitchell_6466/Hill%20Owl%20TD/HillOwlTD006.jpg) (http://s796.photobucket.com/user/davidmitchell_6466/media/Hill%20Owl%20TD/HillOwlTD006.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Scott E. Thomas on September 17, 2013, 08:27:00 PM
Boy Dave, that is a pretty bow. Too bad the shelf is on the wrong side.      :)    God bless brother, Scott.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: ron w on September 17, 2013, 09:13:00 PM
Nice........
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Ric O'Shay on September 17, 2013, 09:24:00 PM
Rob - Nice Halfbreed.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: TJK68 on September 17, 2013, 09:45:00 PM
Beautiful bows guys.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: akbowbender on September 17, 2013, 09:55:00 PM
My lineup so far from left to right:

  (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii185/finnish-archer/Snapbucket/36853EF2-orig_zpsf67f1718.jpg)

J.D. Berry Misty Dawn, Dave Johnson Red Cedar "Whitetail Magic" and a N.M. Classic.

If I had the cash, I'd be adding Pokerdaddy's Morning Star...
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: typical2 on September 17, 2013, 10:53:00 PM
Decisions decisions is right.  I picked up my first Hill style longbow from Overspined when this thread was on page 235.  Since then I have developed issues.  These are the bows I made this spring after giving a coupe/few to friends.

 (http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130917_222300_621_zpscf3819d6.jpg)

 (http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130917_223639_582_zpsc3554f8b.jpg)

 (http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130917_223706_014_zps2d798fc1.jpg)


 (http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130917_223838_996_zpse997d4a3.jpg)

I made several(currently lost track of how many) playing with different stack tapers, tip and limb widths, etc.  Having a ball.

Makes me want to make more!

But...which one to hunt with.  Or do I need to try to get each bow a kill?
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Linwood Hines on September 17, 2013, 11:03:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by moebow:
Which one??

   (http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae274/moebow1/CIMG0242.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/moebow1/media/CIMG0242.jpg.html)  
Moebow, I love this "rack o' bows"!  Did you make it?  (and a great collection!)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: nineworlds9 on September 17, 2013, 11:12:00 PM
That rack looks identical to mine.  I think I know where he got it  :)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: bow loving man on September 17, 2013, 11:13:00 PM
Eric, I only see one problem with all those bows you've made, not one is a lefty!  They are beautiful and you do very nice work...
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mudd on September 17, 2013, 11:21:00 PM
Wow!!

Now no one can tell me I have too many bows....lol

Awesome collection!!

   :archer:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: typical2 on September 17, 2013, 11:22:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by bow loving man:
Eric, I only see one problem with all those bows you've made, not one is a lefty!  They are beautiful and you do very nice work...
I've got you covered.  Some don't like the white belly for hunting though...  ;)

 (http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130917_231740_164_zpsf9a6a07b.jpg)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: bow loving man on September 17, 2013, 11:42:00 PM
Aww the ole double shelf!  The white glass looks good!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: nineworlds9 on September 18, 2013, 12:04:00 AM
Eric do you just make em for fun??
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: typical2 on September 18, 2013, 06:25:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by nineworlds9:
Eric do you just make em for fun??
Just for fun.  Never have sold one, although my wife wishes I would.   ;)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: 2treks on September 18, 2013, 06:59:00 AM
Nice collection Eric.
I really enjoyed our short visit at the GLLI.
Keep up the good work on the bows. You do a great job. Hope we can shoot sometime and teach Matt a lesson or two.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: typical2 on September 18, 2013, 09:57:00 AM
Thank you Chuck.  Seeing your bows makes me want to redo every bow I have.  I love your attention to detail and craftsmanship.  Your bows show me how far I have to go...

Eric
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Knawbone on September 18, 2013, 04:20:00 PM
Here you go RC   (http://d.pictureupload.us/1398333874523a089fde78f.jpg) (http://www.pictureupload.us) [URL=http:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Knawbone on September 18, 2013, 04:27:00 PM
My finished Cheetah blank   (http://d.pictureupload.us/2043110833523a0c2570d21.jpg) (http://www.pictureupload.us)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on September 18, 2013, 04:34:00 PM
Erik, since I am ambidextrous and have shot lots of deer with white glassed bows, that double shelf bow would work fine for me. What are the specs on that?
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on September 18, 2013, 04:57:00 PM
These last couple of pages have been hard to work through.  So many beautiful bows.....and we all want to shoot each and every one of 'em!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Bud B. on September 18, 2013, 06:41:00 PM
What'd you do Green?????
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on September 18, 2013, 06:42:00 PM
Shhh....don't say anything Bud, cuz I can't figure it out and I'm waiting for someone to help out the clueless!      :wavey:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: akbowbender on September 18, 2013, 06:45:00 PM
Terry's laughing gremlin seemed innocent enough. Couldn't be that bad.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Wannabe1 on September 18, 2013, 06:46:00 PM
Here's my Red Hawk at rest from a day of hunting.

  (http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q506/ORShooter1/null_zps2220fcb7.jpg) (http://s1161.photobucket.com/user/ORShooter1/media/null_zps2220fcb7.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on September 18, 2013, 06:49:00 PM
You making any progress TW?
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Wannabe1 on September 18, 2013, 07:01:00 PM
Been hunting exclusively with the Red Hawk and will be going out again Friday and Saturday. The early season ends on Sunday but, that is the Lords day for this family and we'll be in church.

If I don't succeed on those two days, I will have another chance during the late season which encompasses the rut.   :D
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: typical2 on September 18, 2013, 07:22:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by pavan:
Erik, since I am ambidextrous and have shot lots of deer with white glassed bows, that double shelf bow would work fine for me. What are the specs on that?
Pavan

This bow is 69" ntn and about 45@28.  With the dual shelf it is cut 5/16" from center so it likes a little weaker spine than normal.  Nice bow.  1" at fades and 1/2" at tips.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on September 18, 2013, 07:29:00 PM
TW - I know you'll make those last two days of the early season count.  That bow looks good in Oregon!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Wannabe1 on September 18, 2013, 07:32:00 PM
Thanks Rob, gonna do my best! Notice there are no string silencers? That bow is so quiet, it doesn't need them. My neighbor hollered over the fence the other day and says, "Didn't even know you were shooting 'til I heard the arrows hit the target!". A great bow to be sure!     :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on September 18, 2013, 07:37:00 PM
Makes me want to go back to split!  Lol.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Wannabe1 on September 18, 2013, 07:39:00 PM
I owe a lot of the quietness to my release. The Eichler tab I was shooting gave me the sweetest/smoothest release possible for me and I lost it yesterday! Got to get me a new one quick, fast and in a hurry!!!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: magnus on September 18, 2013, 07:42:00 PM
Got my Big 5 shooting pretty good. Still the only one in my stable. Gonna off load most of the recurves though.

 (http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb472/mwgtrad/1379547591.jpg)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Wannabe1 on September 18, 2013, 07:44:00 PM
Great shooting Matt. I was gonna use my Big 5 but, the Red Hawk just calls to me when it's time to go!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: typical2 on September 18, 2013, 07:50:00 PM
This is the bow I plan on taking to the woods in a couple of weeks.  69" and 54@29.  I wanted this bow to be rounded on the belly like some self bows I've seen.  It has a thick stack that's really tapered.  Initially this bow started at 80# after getting limbs to width.  I brought it down to 54@29 by significantly rounding the limbs especially the belly
  You can see that with the reveal of the bamboo on belly and back.  There isn't a corner on this thing.  Kind of like the river otters I saw on my pond the morning I pulled it out of the oven.  
 (http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130917_231926_455_zpsb68405fa.jpg)

 (http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130917_231933_517_zps5d96ce48.jpg)

 (http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130918_171849_119_zpsb20e5ddf.jpg)

 (http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130918_171931_740_zpsd6474509.jpg)

 (http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130918_172037_496_zps6157c7bb.jpg)

The tips are narrow. (.4")

 (http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130918_172105_811_zpsb9367368.jpg)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: magnus on September 18, 2013, 07:52:00 PM
Well it's the only Hill I have so all I know for now but I am in love. Got a string follow off the knuckle bow that will get its fair share of hunting too though. It's a special to me bow!!!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Wildcat Sue on September 18, 2013, 07:52:00 PM
test post ...
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: magnus on September 18, 2013, 07:55:00 PM
I really like that Typical2!!!!!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on September 18, 2013, 07:55:00 PM
This thread just gets cooler everyday.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Wannabe1 on September 18, 2013, 07:56:00 PM
Typical, that sure is a beauty! Keep us posted on your progress in the field with it.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Wildcat Sue on September 18, 2013, 08:01:00 PM
test 2 ...
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Wildcat Sue on September 18, 2013, 08:04:00 PM
test 3 ...
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: typical2 on September 18, 2013, 08:33:00 PM
While I'm at it I might as well show you this one.  This bow will make me feel a bit guilty taking "River Otter" hunting.

I call it Snake Eyes.  It is American elm veneers that look a bit like snake skin and the bocote riser seems to have eyes.
 (http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130918_182326_875_zps56bcea7d.jpg)

 (http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130918_182337_975_zps45f773ee.jpg)

 (http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130918_202333_411_zps854be989.jpg)

 (http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130918_182356_703_zpseeed5332.jpg)

 (http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130918_190844_187_zps49ac051f.jpg)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: typical2 on September 18, 2013, 08:34:00 PM
Double post...so I guess I'll show you this bow as well.

American elm limbs and wenge riser.  Shoots great.
 (http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130918_172355_614_zps6df9f7f4.jpg)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Charlie Lamb on September 18, 2013, 09:32:00 PM
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/monsterjackR.jpg)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Charlie Lamb on September 18, 2013, 09:33:00 PM
Thanks for starting part deux Rob.
   :clapper:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mike Vines on September 18, 2013, 09:45:00 PM
Thanks for keeping the fire burning Rob.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mudd on September 18, 2013, 09:56:00 PM
:notworthy:    :notworthy:    :notworthy:   :notworthy:  

Thank you Rob!!!!  

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Wannabe1 on September 18, 2013, 09:56:00 PM
Charlie, I ain't poking fun of your age but, that rabbit looks to be a little prehistoric maybe?!    :bigsmyl:      :campfire:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: ChuckC on September 18, 2013, 09:57:00 PM
Charlie. . . Nice bun. . .Why, that must be the biggest bunny in all the land !  Was it mean ? Were you using your heavier bow for that one ?

I can't remember the conversation from before, how can we continue it ?
ChuckC
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Shinken on September 18, 2013, 09:58:00 PM
That right there is a B&C bow-killed bunny Charlie!

One can feed a whole family with just one critta!

Shoot straight, Shinken

   :archer2:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: ron w on September 18, 2013, 10:09:00 PM
Here we go again.....   :biglaugh:   Hope it makes another 999 pages.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on September 18, 2013, 10:16:00 PM
I've said it before but Time for a sub forum ??????
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: BDann on September 18, 2013, 10:41:00 PM
That rabbit is huge.  You'll be needing the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Ric O'Shay on September 18, 2013, 10:46:00 PM
Thanks Rob! We are rollin'!!!

   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Charlie Lamb on September 18, 2013, 10:52:00 PM
yeah guys that is one huge jack rabbit. Was able to bag him with a steel blunt on a cedar arrow, 80# Hill Big Five and Photoshop.
   ;)  

The story that goes with it is in my book..."A Bowhunters Tales".
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brazos on September 18, 2013, 11:10:00 PM
That is the biggest rabbit I have ever seen.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Linwood Hines on September 19, 2013, 12:59:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Charlie Lamb:
yeah guys that is one huge jack rabbit. Was able to bag him with a steel blunt on a cedar arrow, 80# Hill Big Five and

Photoshop.

   ;)   The story that goes with it is in my book..."A Bowhunters Tales".
You are a CLEVER guy Charlie!  (It was a good story too!)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Timberking on September 19, 2013, 04:39:00 AM
Holy crap! Giant bunnies, a part two AND Howard Hill bows wow what a way to start the morning! Maybe I can keep up with all the new posts on this one... LOL, coooooooooooooool
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on September 19, 2013, 05:46:00 AM
Best story in Charlie's book.  Nocked the TP plumb off the counter when I came to the end of that one after coffee one mornin'.      :laughing:  

Y'all better hope this thread only goes 1003 pages.....that 1004th's a doozie!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: kbetts on September 19, 2013, 07:01:00 AM
My buddy has some Flemish Giants that are that big......
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: NYArrow on September 19, 2013, 07:17:00 AM
I'm lost....where is part 1? And what is it all about? Sounds intriguing ~
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: bowhntineverythingnh03743 on September 19, 2013, 07:29:00 AM
I enjoyed the first part... where did it go. I am finishing up a straight limb bow and enjoyed seeing others.

Also enjoyed watching John Schultz on one of those video sites talking about the Howard Hill form of shooting. Great video if you have a moment to see it.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on September 19, 2013, 07:43:00 AM
I'm pretty sure Rob D. is repairing part one so that we can view/research it.  Apparently it reached its' max size yesterday just after I posted.

 http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=131661
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: JDBerry on September 19, 2013, 09:23:00 AM
Charlie, did that rabbit make Pope and Young?
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: nineworlds9 on September 19, 2013, 09:36:00 AM
Did that rabbit make Guinness book??? Lol

The holy hand grenade comment almost made me fall down.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Terry Green on September 19, 2013, 09:46:00 AM
Rob...how about putting a link in your 1st post to the old thread for reference.

Thanks.

I would do it...but then it would show I edited your thread....don't want that.    :D
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Moots on September 19, 2013, 12:52:00 PM
Here we go again.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Irish Archer on September 19, 2013, 01:04:00 PM
Any of you fellas hunt with a 64" Hill-style bow? If so, how far are you pullin'er back? Just a thought about trying one for tighter spots.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on September 19, 2013, 03:42:00 PM
Interesting fix Rob D.....nice thinking...great save and all that good stuff!!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on September 19, 2013, 04:26:00 PM
i "hand crafted" this thread back together.    :D  

i had saved the posts i removed from the original thread, renumbered each one so it would start with "000001", stuck them under this thread's topic post (mine), stuck back all the other posts from this thread and renumbered them sequentially to start after the last of the old numbered posts - yep, 129 changes in all!  then realized i needed to reset the topic thread post counter, and that did the trick.

but i think it worked.  had to save ALL the posts from that way cool thread!    :cool:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mudd on September 19, 2013, 04:33:00 PM
:notworthy:     :notworthy:    :notworthy:    :notworthy:  

Thank you Rob!!

  :archer:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: TJK68 on September 19, 2013, 04:43:00 PM
Very nice job Rob, Thanks.
Tom
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on September 19, 2013, 04:46:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
i "hand crafted" this thread back together.     :D  

i had saved the posts i removed from the original thread, renumbered each one so it would start with "000001", stuck them under this thread's topic post (mine), stuck back all the other posts from this thread and renumbered them sequentially to start after the last of the old numbered posts - yep, 129 changes in all!  then realized i needed to reset the topic thread post counter, and that did the trick.

but i think it worked.  had to save ALL the posts from that way cool thread!     :cool:  
:thumbsup:    :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:
   :clapper:    :clapper:    :clapper:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on September 19, 2013, 07:05:00 PM
what 5 random posts from the old HH BUG thread look like ...

Z||000001||TxAg||09-15-2013||10:03 PM||||That echo looks nice!||99.66.178.189||reg||1||TxAg||00017471||yesZ||000002||K.S.TRAPPER||     ;09-15-2013||10:24 PM||||We finally got some cooler weather and it sure is nice to be out shooting more then just a few shots before the heat ran me back inside. My Hill style BBO I built sure is a pleasure to shoot.

 "

 "

Tracy||67.142.161.21||reg||1||K.S.TRAPPER||00006950||yesZ||000003||Pokerdaddy&#     0124;|09-15-2013||10:24 PM||||Saturday I also received a new-to-me JD Berry Morningstar from member lineman72.  Sweet reverse-handle with a touch of backset.  66" 51@27, so also roughly 54@28.  Haven't had a chance to take any pics of it yet, but it can be seen in the thread, "Elegance, JD Berry Morningstar".

Good weekend!||64.119.51.72||reg||1||Pokerdaddy||00024679||yesZ||000004||Brianlocal3     4;|09-15-2013||11:06 PM||||Oh my. You got yourself a couple gems then. I love my reverse handles||99.188.24.124||reg||1||Brianlocal3||00036050||yesZ||000005||nineworlds9     24;|09-15-2013||11:18 PM||||Looks like Chuck Deschler makes a winner with that Echo.  Now how about some Shrew Hills Chuck!? Lol.||66.87.149.180||reg||1||nineworlds9||00037028||yesZ||000006||finnish-archer     24;|09-16-2013||12:37 AM||||Great looking bow, Andrew! And a Morning Star too? Wow!

How do you like the feel of those 66"ers?||66.223.175.78||reg||1||akbowbender||00014795||yesZ||000007||Sunbear|&     #0124;09-16-2013||07:41 AM||||Tracy... VERY NICE!!! I think you are getting the hang of it and glad to hear you're getting out and shooting. The weather does make it easier.

I got out after deer last night but didn't see anything except a fox squirrel that really didn't like the looks of me.
If I'd have had a squirrel arrow with me I'd have settled his rant. As it was after a half hour straight of his chattering, I cut a sapling that was nice and straight, trimmed the bumps and limbs, cut a nock in it and shot it at him. (left handed pinch draw) That made him leave even though it was flying sideways when it went past him.

Looking for the mother load of white oak acorns for now so I'll be moving around a lot.||69.179.154.92||reg||1||Charlie Lamb||00000008||yes


i love this stuff *almost* as much as drawing a shaft on a fat hog ... or a bunny wabbit!       :D    

2006 Mod Melt in Laredo, Texas - Pac Yew longbow, woodie arrows - pic by Charlie Lamb!

   (http://www.tradgang.com/mm2006/mm2006-rob-bunny.jpg)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Centex on September 19, 2013, 07:55:00 PM
Thanks for the hard work!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on September 19, 2013, 07:59:00 PM
enuf of the big topic thread woes - let's get on to the HILL LONGBOWS!

here's one i should never have let go, "Sheba" ...

 (http://rfd.cc/pb/archery/sheba.jpg)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on September 19, 2013, 08:07:00 PM
Rob, looks as if Sheba could really Cut a Rug LOL.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Charlie Lamb on September 19, 2013, 08:21:00 PM
Thanks for all the hard work Rob. I got a headache just looking at that one post.

That Texas hunt was a great one. Would love to do it again.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mac Hicks on September 19, 2013, 08:28:00 PM
Thanks for keeping this one going Rob!  Although I only posted one time on the original (part 1), I have read every post and hope to continue following part 2.     :thumbsup:      :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Linwood Hines on September 19, 2013, 10:32:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
enuf of the big topic thread woes - let's get on to the HILL LONGBOWS!

here's one i should never have let go, "Sheba" ...

  (http://rfd.cc/pb/archery/sheba.jpg)
ROB you have achieved something really special to a lot of us - thank you!  I'm new at this HH LB thing but I'm really enjoying it thanks to you and...
AND you just showed me even ANOTHER thing - the rug (I assume w/ rubberized back)!  Why didn't I think of that?  Thanks AGAIN!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Overspined on September 19, 2013, 10:58:00 PM
The backstop I have relied upon the most for backyard shooting is a horse stall mat from tractor supply.  Hung behind a target, it stops any trad bow field point arrows dead, and only continued punishment from broadheads will do damage to it. I don't think a field point could shoot through it, not likely from a trad bow.  It's cheap and amazing.  I hung mine with a little give so it takes the energy out of the arrows fast.  It doesn't seem to damage my arrows at all either.  I picked that tip up here on tradgang but its worth mentioning again.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: akbowbender on September 20, 2013, 12:07:00 AM
My son and I just put together a quick video on how I use a back quiver.

Most of you probably already know how to use one ala John Schulz and Howard Hill. For those of you who don't know how, I hope you'll find this video helpful.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=702n8EWLEP8&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 20, 2013, 07:59:00 AM
Eye candy for part 2
The Berry clan
 (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/54864DF1-54F7-412A-BB4D-13A730B5AEA8-14940-0000220E76424700_zpsdb460564.jpg)

 (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/8A76C11A-C057-4AE3-B99A-48C83B5D1CA8-14940-0000220E70726480_zpsed76b5ec.jpg)
 (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/E07CCDFD-109C-4C18-BC31-879525893627-14940-0000220E5AB6C38E_zps3ac3a5ef.jpg)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mudd on September 20, 2013, 08:21:00 AM
I love the "eye candy" Brian.

Chuck you and your son did a great job on your video.

I would say that 95 plus percent of the folks that view it will be helped.

As mentioned in your video, I use a "Mudd flap" attached to the strap to assist me in getting the quiver where I need it.

I do this because of my shoulder reconstruction which doesn't allow my right arm to move to the side for arrow retrieval and for me it's less movement that trying to "Bump" it there.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: TJK68 on September 20, 2013, 09:35:00 AM
Great video Chuck, Thanks.
Beautiful stable of bows you have there Brian.
Tom
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Butch Speer on September 20, 2013, 11:38:00 AM
Pretty good video Chuck.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Pat B. on September 20, 2013, 03:40:00 PM
Thanks Rob !!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: akbowbender on September 20, 2013, 05:36:00 PM
Thanks, guys! Talking to a camera is not really my thing, but I though some members might pull their back quivers out of the closet and give them another try (aimed at you, Brian.)    :biglaugh:    

Roy: somehow missed you calling your innovation a "Mudd Flap" ! I like that!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Timberking on September 20, 2013, 06:06:00 PM
Nice video Chuck!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 20, 2013, 08:21:00 PM
Thanks for the video Chuck. I couldn't watch it till I got to my desktop. Very nicely done.

If I can part with my side stalker quiver long enough I will get the HHA back quiver off the pegs and give her another go.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on September 20, 2013, 08:33:00 PM
Thanks Chuck, nicely done!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Homebru on September 20, 2013, 08:44:00 PM
You guys are "special".
homebru
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 20, 2013, 08:58:00 PM
Well,  I finally snuck in some shooting tonight. I didn't bring the bow on the road with me this week as my schedule was hectic but I slung 1/2 doz shots out of the vixen tonight.
Shooting bear razor heads from this set up and they are flying good good good.

Hopefully I can get out and do some hunting this year as all I got in last was one 45 min mid morning sit.  If I can get this house sold and family moved soon ill get my chance. Untill then ill shoot my BH and pretend while reading everyone else's stories
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Bud B. on September 20, 2013, 09:59:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Irish Archer:
Any of you fellas hunt with a 64" Hill-style bow? If so, how far are you pullin'er back? Just a thought about trying one for tighter spots.
66" is my shortest.

Anyone else??
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 20, 2013, 10:26:00 PM
I have a 62" Berry Northstar. I only draw 26 1/4" though, but it is as smooth as any other I have shot.  Great pointability, smooth and quick.  I am loving it.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: unclewhit on September 21, 2013, 07:56:00 AM
I took my "Tembo" for a little walkabout last night. New spot I was scouting, very thick lots of brush. It was very hard to be quiet. Had a small flock of turkeys fly right over head, that was way cool.
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Did find some deer sign, so I know they are in there. Can't wait for opining day.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: mikebiz on September 21, 2013, 08:51:00 AM
All of my Hill-style bows are 64".  My drawlength is just shy of 25" and they work fine for me.  For me 64"-66" seem fine.  If you have a long drawlength, say over 28" I would go longer.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Knawbone on September 21, 2013, 08:53:00 AM
Had to show this again. Another shot of my Cheetah blank. Bubinga riser with initialed medallion.


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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Knawbone on September 21, 2013, 09:08:00 AM
Irish Archer, That Cheetah there is 65". She's fast with FF string and no tip overlays.With 480 grn. Cedars, at 48 lbs she's my new Deer bow.This bow shoots extremely well for me.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Jon Powell on September 21, 2013, 10:12:00 AM
Irish Archer, I have a 64" Big Five, 60@29. I draw 28.75" and have no problems with it at all. It's one of my favorite bows.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Moots on September 21, 2013, 10:30:00 AM
Thanks for the video Chuck.  I just got a back quiver, and many of your tips -- the bump, and pulling the arrow up by the nock are helpful.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Ifrit617 on September 21, 2013, 07:03:00 PM
Can't wait to be joining the hill shooters ranks in the next few weeks. Just placed an order for a 7 Lakes hill style bow that should be here in 4-6 weeks. I'm dreaming about her already.

Jon
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: akbowbender on September 21, 2013, 07:33:00 PM
Congrats, Jon! From what I've heard, those 7 Lakes bows are real shooters.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: nineworlds9 on September 21, 2013, 07:35:00 PM
I should be getting Joe's 105# 70" Tribute in the mail by lunch Monday.  Can't wait to post some draw pics and some down range shots   :D
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: akbowbender on September 21, 2013, 07:41:00 PM
Chuck, you animal! I'm barely comfortable with 52#! Can't wait to see you in action with that beast.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: nineworlds9 on September 21, 2013, 08:01:00 PM
Hehe..it'll take a little time till I'm shooting any shoots with something like that haha or whatnot.  I will probably just draw to 28-29 initially with my long arrows, even short drawn it'll be 95@28.   I haven't had my 90# bow for a good 5 months so I'll need to go easy, especially cause of my right elbow issues..but the good news is the way my elbow thing is going pulling things doesn't seem to exacerbate it.  I think shooting that much weight left would be more worrisome for me, thankfully my lefty 100# tribute is 4 months off.  The good thing is both bows are 70" which makes a big difference to perceived weight.  If it were a 62" bow haha forget it!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: TJK68 on September 21, 2013, 08:14:00 PM
Here is a little of my Hill eye candy as well, for your viewing pleasure, 2 Northern Mist and 3 Hills.
Tom


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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: akbowbender on September 21, 2013, 08:25:00 PM
Nice spread, Tom!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: bow loving man on September 21, 2013, 08:37:00 PM
Well, I got bit!!! Northern Mist Shelton 68" 54#@27"
At my 29 1/2" she flat smokes an arrow. Smooth drawing and shooting bow!!!!

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v612/Bowlovingman/image_zps4bc6bcd7.jpg)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: nineworlds9 on September 21, 2013, 08:41:00 PM
TJ- nice harem!

Loving man-  gorgeous Mist, Steve does it right.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mudd on September 21, 2013, 08:54:00 PM
Wow! TJ the "Falcon and the "Big 5" look a lot different from the last pictures I saw of them.

Someone did a great job!!

Nice harem you've got going.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on September 21, 2013, 09:03:00 PM
Love those pics of multiple bows.  My favorite was Roy's that was taken in the trunk of a car...had just the right angle to take all of them in.

The only thing that ain't right in this photo of my small stable is that the Wesley now belongs to Centex, and I'm on the hunt for another one, but in the 50# range.

  (http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/DSCN0856.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/DSCN0856.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mudd on September 21, 2013, 09:17:00 PM
Are you talking about this one Green?

 (http://i.imgur.com/JKX1TWA.jpg)

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Wannabe1 on September 21, 2013, 09:21:00 PM
I like pics too!    :bigsmyl:  

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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 21, 2013, 09:40:00 PM
Loving the spreads. I really enjoy those exposed fades. I think my next bow will be another Vixen and I'm gonna have James run only clear glass over the belly ramp and leave it exposed. Looks sweet
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: TJK68 on September 21, 2013, 09:46:00 PM
Great pics guys, love that Shelton BLM.
Yep Mudd, got those two from a buddy of yours, l like the Falcon, just wish it had a straight grip, but a great shooter.
Tom
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Centex on September 21, 2013, 09:59:00 PM
Yeah I am enjoying the Wesley.  That trunk picture looks like fun.

Hey guys what benefits or characteristics are associated with all lams under the riser.  Is it a throwback from pre glass designs?
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: akbowbender on September 21, 2013, 10:25:00 PM
For those of you who might have been having problems viewing my "Using a back quiver" video, I've moved it over to YouTube. Seems to view much more smoothly.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=702n8EWLEP8&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: 7 Lakes on September 22, 2013, 11:55:00 AM
Centex, It's difficult to get a thick wood lamination up the steep curve in a 14" riser.  The glass lam is easily flexible and strong enough to insure good contact with the riser during glue up. Plus it has the advantage of appearing like a all wood bow.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Rossco7002 on September 22, 2013, 12:07:00 PM
Here's a pic of a David Miller Expedition with myrtle riser and exposed fades. I really like this old school touch in a Hill style.

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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: nineworlds9 on September 22, 2013, 09:01:00 PM
Holy crapola I just rented a movie from Redbox on a whim cause it looked interesting and it ended up featuring bowhunting (to the extent Hollywood can) and a Hill style bow being shot by none other than John Travolta complete with Hill broadheads!!  Haha!  I couldn't believe it!  It's called "Killing Season" and it stars John Travolta and Robert Deniro.  The subject matter involves a vendetta between two veterans from opposite sides of the 90's war in Bosnia.  I just couldn't believe here was Travolta shooting a bona-fide Hill bow complete with woodies and Hill broadheads!  Cool!!  Pretty neat when a shout out for our obsession makes it into the mainstream!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Knawbone on September 22, 2013, 10:25:00 PM
Thanks Nine, I'll have to check that out!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: bowhntineverythingnh03743 on September 23, 2013, 03:59:00 AM
This is a Hill style I just completed yesterday!

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Cocobolo...osage...bocote
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Specs
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And I was able to hit the woods tonight with it!
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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Bud B. on September 23, 2013, 07:22:00 AM
Nice bow Justin. How does she shoot?
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mudd on September 23, 2013, 07:27:00 AM
Nice Justin.

Thanks for sharing.

Hunt hard,hunt smart, draw some blood with it.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Charlie Lamb on September 23, 2013, 11:55:00 AM
You guys know how I love to just jump right to the point in my stories, but I've got a lot of running to do so this will have to wait until evening.  (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/IMG_0397n427x640n.jpg)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mike Mongelli on September 23, 2013, 01:03:00 PM
:bigsmyl:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 23, 2013, 05:52:00 PM
Great bow Justin!!!
And Charlie that was just mean
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: stik&string on September 23, 2013, 05:53:00 PM
:coffee:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Butch Speer on September 23, 2013, 10:12:00 PM
Charlie, you're a tease!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: bicster on September 25, 2013, 06:53:00 AM
OK Charlie. Let's hear it.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 25, 2013, 07:36:00 AM
I think "OL' timers' set in and Charlie forgot to come back LOL
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Ric O'Shay on September 25, 2013, 07:46:00 AM
Nice bow Justin.   :thumbsup:  

Charlie didn't forget to come back with the story. That's just the ornery showing......   :laughing:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Charlie Lamb on September 25, 2013, 08:18:00 AM
In case anyone missed it on the main forum here is a link to the story.
   2013 longbow buck (http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=131824)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on September 26, 2013, 05:04:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Mudd:
Are you talking about this one Green?

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God bless,Mudd
Yes sir, that would be the one.  That's like walking into a camp of nothing but your best hunting bud's.      :archer:  

Rossco - that Miller's gorgeous.  

Not having any luck in my search for a 45-50# Wesley.....thought I'd mention it here for those who don't hit the C'fied's regular-like.       :D  

14 pages for a Lamb deer kill?  Unheard of!      :laughing:    Congrats Charlie.....that's a great story and a beauty of a buck.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: typical2 on September 26, 2013, 05:35:00 PM
Here is a Hill style I made for a fundraiser auction for a local family in need.

Just when I think I'm over cool limb veneers in favor of classic black and brown glass I look at this bow.  I love this too.

This name has been used around here but nothing was more fitting for this bow.

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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: iohkus on September 26, 2013, 06:08:00 PM
Think I'll be "faithful" to this thread. I used to shoot HH's a LONG time ago (killed my first deer with an Armbruister Zebra "Grevy") then went the way of recurves, but I'm getting the "itch" again!! Great feeling bows .......... have a sort of "oneness" to them.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: WESTBROOK on September 26, 2013, 07:09:00 PM
Nice work Mr. Thompson! and very thoughtful to boot    :thumbsup:

Eric
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: TJK68 on September 26, 2013, 07:25:00 PM
Beautiful bow you made my friend, and for a wonderful reason.
Congrats.
Tom
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on September 26, 2013, 07:26:00 PM
Yes sir, that's pretty.  Very nice work!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: TxAg on September 26, 2013, 08:14:00 PM
That is a real looker. I'm a fan of veneers in lieu of colored glass.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: magnus on September 26, 2013, 08:23:00 PM
That's beautiful Typical 2. I love being able to see the lama on bows.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mudd on September 26, 2013, 08:30:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by magnus:
That's beautiful Typical 2. I love being able to see the lama on bows.
Matt I went back and looked for the "lama".... where did I miss it?....lol

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: typical2 on September 26, 2013, 08:38:00 PM
Glad you like it guys.

Westbrook...thanks and good luck next week.  Hopefully you're not too busy with work to get out next week for the opener.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: WESTBROOK on September 26, 2013, 08:59:00 PM
T2, thanks, good luck to you as well. A snowday doesn't look to likely for ya on Tuesday but I hear the flu is really getting around....   :D
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 26, 2013, 09:41:00 PM
Typical.
That's I'd one sexy ,exotic bow. The pics really show the rounded edges and just look sweet!!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: 7 Lakes on September 27, 2013, 06:56:00 PM
Nice looking bow.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on September 27, 2013, 08:31:00 PM
Typical 2, just caught the story on this bow over on the Bowyer's Bench.  Good on ya man!  I hope this bow does well for the cause.    

 :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Linwood Hines on September 27, 2013, 10:14:00 PM
Typical 2, since this is for a good cause, maybe the Admins and readers wouldn't mind you letting us know how to bid on it.  If I'm out of place here - let me know or just delete this reply.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Linwood Hines on September 27, 2013, 10:16:00 PM
I was wondering if it would be possible to offer the posts from HH Bug Got Me (part 1) on a cd or memory stick for sale - proceeds going to Trad Gang, of course.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: magnus on September 27, 2013, 10:29:00 PM
That's too funny Mudd!! Lol ! Spell check strikes again.    :knothead:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: SportHunter on September 27, 2013, 10:30:00 PM
How many use fast flight strings with padded loops on the older Hill bows? I was thinking of trying one on my Grevy but dont want to damage it as they are irreplaceable.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Caboo on September 27, 2013, 11:46:00 PM
I had a 71# 70" Zebra by Louie and put a 18 strand FF string with loops padded 24. This was 15 years ago and it was my main bow for over 8 years. Finally sold it and the buyer kept the same string. I've used FF, D97, etc on every Hill and Hill style bow I've ever owned and never had any issue.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on September 28, 2013, 08:27:00 AM
Sport Hunter....I build a 10 strand D10 string with loops padded to 16 for my Hill bows.  I had tip overlays put on my Jerry Hill and shoot this string daily on this bow.  This bow has a low serial # compared to many I've seen, but I'm not sure how long ago it was built.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Bud B. on September 28, 2013, 09:34:00 AM
I bought  an old ragged no-cover-left book at an antique festival.

This pic was one shown in the book.

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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Bud B. on September 28, 2013, 09:35:00 AM
I also bought a few old archery magazines. In one, Howard wrote a letter to the magazine clearing up a claim the United Press made about him discrediting a fellow archer of killing an elephant.

If I can, I will re-type the letter in its entirety. It'll take me a while though. I type slow and Howard wrote a good bit.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: WESTBROOK on September 28, 2013, 09:38:00 AM
Our deer season opens Tuesday, hopefully I'll get some time to spend in the woods. Got a new bow that needs some Mojo on it......

  (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h121/mandoman_2006/Northern%20Mist%20bows/P9280002_zps43c98681.jpg) (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/mandoman_2006/media/Northern%20Mist%20bows/P9280002_zps43c98681.jpg.html)

70" NM Classic, she sends a 630g cedar like a streak!

Good luck to my "Brothers of the inadequate slow shocky Bow"   :D
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: WESTBROOK on September 28, 2013, 09:48:00 AM
Nice find Bud!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: SportHunter on September 28, 2013, 09:54:00 AM
Real sharp bow Westbrook.

Thanks for the string info guys.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Knawbone on September 28, 2013, 10:55:00 AM
Really nice looking bow Westbrook. Good luck and safe hunting with your season.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on September 28, 2013, 01:34:00 PM
When I can get my foot up that high and hold it there, I may try that shot again. Just kidding, I cannot get my foot up high enough to shoot the ground four feet out.  In my younger day, I tried it and fell over as soon as I got the bow back, thankfully my garage stopped my arrow. I could maybe use it to shoot very steeply down out of tree stand.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Bud B. on September 28, 2013, 01:56:00 PM
From the magazines...

Unfortunately one of them was missing half a page of Howard's article.

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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Bud B. on September 28, 2013, 01:58:00 PM
 (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f94/Equismith/Magazine%20Pics/101_1564.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/Equismith/media/Magazine%20Pics/101_1564.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Bud B. on September 28, 2013, 02:00:00 PM
The half page  :(

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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Bud B. on September 28, 2013, 02:00:00 PM
 (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f94/Equismith/Magazine%20Pics/101_1566.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/Equismith/media/Magazine%20Pics/101_1566.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Bud B. on September 28, 2013, 02:02:00 PM
The letter:

Hopefully you all can read it. Please let me know if the link works and you can read the print.

  (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f94/Equismith/Magazine%20Pics/101_1570.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/Equismith/media/Magazine%20Pics/101_1570.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Centex on September 28, 2013, 02:52:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by WESTBROOK:
Our deer season opens Tuesday, hopefully I'll get some time to spend in the woods. Got a new bow that needs some Mojo on it......

   (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h121/mandoman_2006/Northern%20Mist%20bows/P9280002_zps43c98681.jpg) (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/mandoman_2006/media/Northern%20Mist%20bows/P9280002_zps43c98681.jpg.html)

70" NM Classic, she sends a 630g cedar like a streak!

Good luck to my "Brothers of the inadequate slow shocky Bow"    :D  
Beautiful bow.  What poundage?  I also shoot a 70" and I like the smooth draw.
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Post by: Green on September 28, 2013, 03:22:00 PM
Thanks for posting that Bud.  An interesting read for sure.

Today turned out to be quite a day.  The first of this season's Whitetail hunts is still three hours away, but the Wesley hunt has come to an end.  This bow will only be moving south about 3 hours, but I'm grateful to my friend Danny Long (Ric O Shay) for the opportunity to own, shoot, and hunt with her.

  (http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/IMG_1969_zpsfac07e96.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/IMG_1969_zpsfac07e96.jpg.html)

  (http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/IMG_1975_zpse111d153.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/IMG_1975_zpse111d153.jpg.html)

  (http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/IMG_1970_zpsa14d7689.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/IMG_1970_zpsa14d7689.jpg.html)
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Post by: Wannabe1 on September 28, 2013, 03:25:00 PM
Rob, that's a real beauty and I hope she serves you well. Glad the search was a fruitful one!   :thumbsup:    :clapper:
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Post by: magnus on September 28, 2013, 03:31:00 PM
I knew you were going to get it. Just waiting for you to realize it.    :bigsmyl:   I'm pumped for you buddy! Can't wait to hear the review.
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Post by: WESTBROOK on September 28, 2013, 03:58:00 PM
Sharp bow Mr.Green! That Ostrich grip is sweet, I need to find a piece of that in a peanut brittle color.

Centex, I'm really not sure of the weight...lol. Its marked 58# @ 29", but its a little heavier, probably 62-63#. I have other bows that are 60# @ 29 and its heavier than them. I talked to Steve Turay about it at the GLLI and he wanted to take it back and check it out but I declined. I like the extra horsepower, took a couple months to get comfortable with it, the 70" makes it feel easier and its waaayy smooth. I shoots the same 75-80# arrows as my 63# R/D Superior LB and is just as fast.

Eric
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Post by: killinstuff on September 28, 2013, 05:29:00 PM
Might be Doe only this year Eric with the new APR. I have only one legal buck pic out of 3 cameras sitting out for the past month. Lots of spikes though so 2014 should have a good crop of bucks. My Harrison likes those 200gr broadheads I got from you so that's what's in the quiver. Good luck on tuesday.

CJ
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Post by: WESTBROOK on September 28, 2013, 06:14:00 PM
Hey CJ   :wavey:  

I've seen a couple barely legal bucks, but not much. We have no farming around here so not much good eatin and bigguns are rare, but does are fine with me.

Glad to see the APR finally, it'll pay off in a couple years. I'm no head hunter by any standard, but I do like to at least see a nice buck once in a while.

Good luck on Tuesday

Eric
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Post by: Frank V on September 28, 2013, 07:22:00 PM
About 3 years ago I fell on ice hunting & damaged my left shoulder. I've only been able to shoot 50-55lb bows since.
My Howard Hill is 60lbs. I've got a Fox 66" LB that's 56lbs. I've been shooting it, & it's gotten comfortable.
  Tonight I decided to try my Hill, it's really quiet & shoots right where I look if I do my part. I had to use a bow stringer to string it, but that's no real hinderance & may actually be a help in protecting my bow & myself.
    I only took one arrow into the backyard & shot the first arrow at 10 yards. It went right where I looked & the shot & shoulder felt good. I shot 3 more going back a few feet each shot. My last shot was from 24 steps (I'm 6'3") & it went 3" high & spot on for windage.     :thumbsup:    I 'd go up & pull the arrow each time then shoot again . I didn't want to push things so quit. That bow sure is fun Quiet, fast, & just shoots well. Soooo I'm going to hunt with it again.      :goldtooth:    
Sure felt good to shoot that one again. Sorry this is rambling, but shooting a favorite bow that you weren't sure you were going to be able to shoot again is cause for joy.     :archer2:    
 Thanks!
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Post by: WESTBROOK on September 28, 2013, 08:04:00 PM
Frank, great to hear your shoulder is coming back, just take it slow and easy.   :thumbsup:

Eric
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Post by: Pokerdaddy on September 28, 2013, 09:28:00 PM
Westbrook, that's a beautiful NM Classic!
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Post by: Green on September 28, 2013, 10:21:00 PM
Congrats on shooting your hunting bow Frank....and best of luck.

Thanks Westbrook....I've looked at your NM many times.  That green glass/riser combo is gorgeous.  I wish you much success with her this fall!
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Post by: TJK68 on September 28, 2013, 10:53:00 PM
Love that Northern Mist and that Wesley is a real beauty, Congrats to you both.
Glad everthing is working out with your shoulder Frank and your bow.
Tom
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Post by: Berliner on September 29, 2013, 08:00:00 AM
Westbrook, what a beautiful bow and btw a great pic too, that says it all....    :campfire:
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Post by: Green on September 29, 2013, 08:06:00 AM
First hunt of 2013 is in the books.  Had a "mini doe" feeding in front of me with the fading light, but she was smaller than my German Shepard pup and I gave her a pass from my tripod location.

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Post by: Overspined on September 29, 2013, 08:30:00 AM
Westbrook, I wish the APR went statewide, or it would be nice if 1 buck per year were the limit.  I'm not a headhunter either, but down here in farmland there are as many 1 1/2 yr old 8's as spikes up by you.  They are usually very small but would still be legal.  There's no perfect answer. I have NEVER seen the same buck 2 yrs in a row that I could identify!

I have taken a few good ones and lots of does with the Hill style bows though, for quite a few years. I have missed some too!!     :archer2:  

Good luck michigan Hill shooters!  And luck to those out of state as well!
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Post by: WESTBROOK on September 29, 2013, 09:31:00 AM
Hey Matt   :wavey:  

How'd it go out west, everyone come back?...

I thought 2 buck tags was the dumbest thing ever, wish they would roll that back too.

Good luck to ya!
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Post by: TxAg on September 29, 2013, 07:20:00 PM
Rob, I'm glad to see you using a strap on quiver.  I didn't enjoy my back quiver this weekend, and was considering using my EFA instead.
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Post by: Green on September 29, 2013, 07:25:00 PM
One thing I can do Jeff with my bow quiver that I can't do with anything else is to make a bit of a blind with it.  

  (http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/024.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/024.jpg.html)

I keep two bands wrapped around it and cut small cedar boughs when on stand and stick them in there.  At arms length it helps keep them from seeing my eyes.

How was your hunt?
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Post by: Frank V on September 29, 2013, 08:14:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Green:
One thing I can do Jeff with my bow quiver that I can't do with anything else is to make a bit of a blind with it.  

   (http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/024.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/024.jpg.html)

I keep two bands wrapped around it and cut small cedar boughs when on stand and stick them in there.  At arms length it helps keep them from seeing my eyes.

How was your hunt?
Never thought of that, good tip, thanks.
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Post by: TxAg on September 29, 2013, 08:18:00 PM
Good idea rob.  Passed on a basket 6 and poked a porcupine...a first for me
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Post by: Nala on September 29, 2013, 08:32:00 PM
That Northern Mist with the GREEN glass is gorgeous.  Any more pics of it?

Nalajr
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Post by: WESTBROOK on September 29, 2013, 09:02:00 PM
Slick trick with the quiver Rob    :thumbsup:  

Nala...

Complete with matching Frog tape nock pt..

  (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h121/mandoman_2006/Northern%20Mist%20bows/P7070013_zps0aa574c6.jpg) (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/mandoman_2006/media/Northern%20Mist%20bows/P7070013_zps0aa574c6.jpg.html)

  (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h121/mandoman_2006/Northern%20Mist%20bows/P7070015_zps6843a3fe.jpg) (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/mandoman_2006/media/Northern%20Mist%20bows/P7070015_zps6843a3fe.jpg.html)
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Post by: Green on September 29, 2013, 09:23:00 PM
"poked a porcupine".  Get your arrow back?     :laughing:

Yep, that green glass is definitely one of the most eye pleasing colors.
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Post by: WESTBROOK on September 29, 2013, 09:35:00 PM
Rob, how much did the bow quiver change you arrow spine requirement?
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Post by: TxAg on September 29, 2013, 10:35:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Green:
"poked a porcupine".  Get your arrow back?       :laughing:  

Yep, that green glass is definitely one of the most eye pleasing colors.
Negative. I think it may be in orbit  :)
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Post by: Green on September 30, 2013, 05:03:00 AM
Too funny....guess he was in a tree, huh?

Eric - no change in spine with woodies for me.  It gives the bow a different balance point, but you adapt to it within a few arrows.
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Post by: 3Under on September 30, 2013, 06:19:00 AM
Eric.
"Like your Green NM Classic",its simlar to my TD Shelton. I've been thinking about a NM Classic too!   :archer2:      
Larry
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Post by: Linwood Hines on September 30, 2013, 09:16:00 AM
I like that green glass!  Daggoneit, I like brown, and black - ok, and clear glass too.  I wonder why we don't see more of the green glass on modern bows.  and why not some form of "camo" or a pattern glass? Tartan?
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Post by: Overspined on September 30, 2013, 09:22:00 AM
Green glass is only available on a big, special order basis.  Steve at NM and Gr Northern went in together and split an order. So it's a lot more rare than the std colors of glass.
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Post by: Overspined on September 30, 2013, 10:03:00 AM
Eric, elk hunting was great. Thanks for asking!  We got into elk every day, even close, but no shots.  I could probably have killed a calf, but didn't really consider it as she was with bigguns.  My longbows have seen a lot of miles up there, and I only wish I could stay longer every year. The fickle winds have saved more elk...
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Post by: Frank V on September 30, 2013, 11:11:00 AM
Porcupines are a good target for the bow. Here most ranchers really don't like them. Once you see a cow or horse with a nose full of quills & the dead trees they leave you'd understand.
 I'm up to about 15 arrows now without any discomfort with my Hill    ;)
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Post by: TxAg on September 30, 2013, 05:23:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Frank V:
Porcupines are a good target for the bow. Here most ranchers really don't like them. Once you see a cow or horse with a nose full of quills & the dead trees they leave you'd understand.
 I'm up to about 15 arrows now without any discomfort with my Hill     ;)  
Not a lot of good trees to spare around here. Too bad it wasn't assaulting all the mesquites...might've gotten a pass. Here's a pic.

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Post by: Frank V on September 30, 2013, 06:27:00 PM
:clapper:    :clapper:    :clapper:
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Post by: Green on September 30, 2013, 07:17:00 PM
Nice goin' Jeff!
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Post by: TJK68 on September 30, 2013, 09:33:00 PM
Well we had pics of a beautiful green Northern Mist, so I wanted to post a pic of my beautiful Red one.
Tom


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Post by: Knawbone on September 30, 2013, 09:43:00 PM
Overspined, did any of you try a smudge fire on your Elk hunt?
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Post by: Knawbone on September 30, 2013, 10:01:00 PM
Sweet looking bow TJK68   :thumbsup:
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Post by: magnus on September 30, 2013, 10:12:00 PM
I'd love to get my hands on some of those porcupine quills. If any of you southern bows get another one keep me in mind please.

Really liking the green and red glass on those bows!
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Post by: Frank V on September 30, 2013, 10:17:00 PM
TJK68
That is a nice looking bow.
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Post by: TxAg on September 30, 2013, 10:18:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by magnus:
I'd love to get my hands on some of those porcupine quills. If any of you southern bows get another one keep me in mind please.

Really liking the green and red glass on those bows!
Matt,

PM me exactly what you're looking for and when I go back out there in two weeks I'll get plenty for you. I left the hide in an easily accessible place and I don't expect much to bother it
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Post by: toddster on October 01, 2013, 02:03:00 AM
Sorry all been gone while, been busy between work and teaching pistol stuff here in illinois, what did I miss, lol
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Post by: bicster on October 01, 2013, 04:19:00 AM
Cool looking bow Tom. Who made your backquiver?
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Post by: Green on October 01, 2013, 04:58:00 AM
The red glass looks good too!  

Matt - whatcha gonna do with those quills?  If you're gonna torture the kids would you mind taking video on your iphone?      :laughing:
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Post by: TJK68 on October 01, 2013, 09:52:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by bicster:
Cool looking bow Tom. Who made your backquiver?
Bic,
That particular one is made by Steve at Northern Mist.
Tom
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Post by: David Mitchell on October 01, 2013, 10:09:00 AM
Actually Steve does not make those quivers. He gets them from a guy in Michigan. They are very nice quivers--just the right stiffness.
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Post by: TJK68 on October 01, 2013, 10:30:00 AM
Well he sells them on his site is all I know Dave. LOL... I actually got that one in a trade. And yes they are very nice.
Tom
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Post by: WESTBROOK on October 01, 2013, 05:42:00 PM
Good lookin bow Tom!
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Post by: TJK68 on October 01, 2013, 05:51:00 PM
You to my friend I love that Green glass.
Tom
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 01, 2013, 06:06:00 PM
Steve gets his hands on some very nice colors for sure.
I keep waiting to see the Christmas bow with greeen and red glass!!!
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Post by: Green on October 01, 2013, 06:38:00 PM
To me (new to me bow day), there's nothing that feels so right in the hand as a Wesley.  Thanks to Danny Long for the opportunity to own this beautiful piece of Craig's craftsmanship.

  (http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/003-1.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/003-1.jpg.html)
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Post by: Wannabe1 on October 01, 2013, 06:40:00 PM
Rob, I am a tad envious of you! That bow is a beauty!!   :bigsmyl:    :thumbsup:    :clapper:
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Post by: Green on October 01, 2013, 07:05:00 PM
TW - I'm pretty awestruck by all the beautiful details that adorn this bow.  Danny and Craig sure cooked up a good one!
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Post by: Wannabe1 on October 01, 2013, 07:37:00 PM
Is that an Ostrich grip?
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Post by: Green on October 01, 2013, 07:47:00 PM
Uhhh Huuuh.    :cool:
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Post by: magnus on October 01, 2013, 07:55:00 PM
Glad you love it Rob. I'd felt guilty if you didn't the way I egged you on. Not that I have any say in what you do but I want very supportive of the one side of your brain. Lol!
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Post by: Green on October 01, 2013, 08:14:00 PM
It ain't fair what we do to each other's checkbook Matt.     :bigsmyl:
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Post by: TxAg on October 01, 2013, 08:19:00 PM
Sweet looking bow Rob! You getting it bloody this weekend?
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Post by: Green on October 01, 2013, 08:27:00 PM
Gonna try Jeff.  That wet cold front means Saturday should be a great day!  You headed back out for something without quills?
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on October 02, 2013, 04:57:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Charlie Lamb:
You guys know how I love to just jump right to the point in my stories, but I've got a lot of running to do so this will have to wait until evening.   (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/IMG_0397n427x640n.jpg)
hey charlie!  we been waiting!! please finish the rest of the story!!!
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Post by: Bud B. on October 02, 2013, 05:48:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Charlie Lamb:
In case anyone missed it on the main forum here is a link to the story.
   2013 longbow buck (http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=131824)  
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Post by: Charlie Lamb on October 02, 2013, 09:21:00 AM
I think you missed it buddy. I did a separate thread as listed by by BudB.
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Post by: Centex on October 02, 2013, 10:47:00 AM
Green that Welsey take "top of the line" to a whole new level!
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on October 02, 2013, 07:14:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Charlie Lamb:
I think you missed it buddy. I did a separate thread as listed by by BudB.
ouch!  it sucks when crs strikes.  cool kill, charlie!
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Post by: Frank V on October 02, 2013, 07:57:00 PM
I shot mine today!
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Post by: WarDancer on October 03, 2013, 03:45:00 PM
Just brought a NM back home  sold it a few months ago and TJK68 let me bring it back home. Thanks Tom.
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Post by: jeffg on October 03, 2013, 05:21:00 PM
It's great when get the one back that you miss. Congrats
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Post by: WarDancer on October 03, 2013, 05:47:00 PM
yes, and Tom is a gentleman to do business with.
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Post by: Wannabe1 on October 04, 2013, 12:30:00 AM
Like everyone else, I really enjoy seeing the bows but, I would also like to see the arrows ya'll are shooting from them! Including what broad heads.   :D
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Post by: TJK68 on October 04, 2013, 12:33:00 AM
My pleasure Bill, glad to send her home to you my friend.
Tom
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Post by: TJK68 on October 04, 2013, 10:14:00 AM
I am excited!!!!   :archer:   I just picked up a beautiful brand new Miller Old Tom off of Bowitis. Has a beautiful Myrtle riser, Yew limbs under brown glass, 68", with a little backset. Can't wait to get it. Thanks Kevin.
Tom
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Post by: two4hooking on October 04, 2013, 10:59:00 AM
Tapered Douglas Fir:
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Post by: WESTBROOK on October 04, 2013, 05:33:00 PM
Tapered cedars, with a 160 grizzly on the front.

Eric

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Post by: Green on October 04, 2013, 06:47:00 PM
Looking good Eric.....Nice work!
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Post by: WESTBROOK on October 04, 2013, 07:10:00 PM
Thanks Rob,
Those are some of those hard to find 77-80# cedars.
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Post by: Green on October 04, 2013, 08:22:00 PM
Hold what you've got. Good Cedar above 65# is getting to be a rare animal.
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Post by: Wannabe1 on October 04, 2013, 10:28:00 PM
Some good looking arrows so far! Thanks for sharing them with me. I can't afford to do it this season but, I am hoping to get some Surewoods made up for next season tipped with some of the Ribteks I've got left. I really like how they sharpen up.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 05, 2013, 12:47:00 PM
Here are my arrows matched to the JD Berry Northstar
 (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/null_zpsb35dd5be.jpg)

 (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/null_zpsbd82d22e.jpg)

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Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 05, 2013, 04:35:00 PM
Shooting the new northstar
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 05, 2013, 04:37:00 PM
http://youtu.be/JNxEbidGle4


 http://youtu.be/fWEr__vkN70
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on October 05, 2013, 06:02:00 PM
Speaking of bows being brought back home. I got my Tembo back last week.   (http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/bard9l/IMG_1706.jpg) (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/bard9l/media/IMG_1706.jpg.html)
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  (http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/bard9l/IMG_1710.jpg) (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/bard9l/media/IMG_1710.jpg.html)   (http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/bard9l/IMG_1712.jpg) (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/bard9l/media/IMG_1712.jpg.html)
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Post by: magnus on October 05, 2013, 07:21:00 PM
I like that one Danny ! I've inly ever shot my Big 5. Look forward to shooting more Hill styles just to see a difference. I'm quite happy with mine though.
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Post by: lone hunter on October 05, 2013, 08:33:00 PM
That's a fine looking bow Danny, looks brand new. I'll be able to join the HH gang next week. Mr Berry says my Morningstar will be ready mid-week. Couple weeks after that, I'll get my Vixen.
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Post by: Butch Speer on October 05, 2013, 09:25:00 PM
Danny,
Beautiful bow! what is the riser on that?
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Post by: Rossco7002 on October 05, 2013, 10:12:00 PM
That's snakewood - a nice example too.
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on October 06, 2013, 08:21:00 AM
Butch- Yes it is snakewood on the riser with a double tip overlay of snakewood and ivory. Being a Tembo, it also had to have one of Craig's silver elephant riser inlays too. 66" 55# @ 28".

Matt- I was able to get this one back because Rob bought my Wesley. I think he is happy with it.
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Post by: magnus on October 06, 2013, 08:25:00 AM
Oh he's happy with it alright. Been on the stand a few times with it already. Glad you guys were able to work it out ! Both are beautiful bows!!!
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Post by: Rossco7002 on October 06, 2013, 08:32:00 AM
I really like the look of the woods in Brian's new bow! I'd really like to get myself a yew limbed Hill bow with dark myrtle riser and brown glass...
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on October 06, 2013, 08:34:00 AM
I spent the last two days on stand with the Tembo. Had to come home last night due to storms coming though. Sitting in a tree on a metal ladder stand with lightening dancing around is not the smartest thing to do.    :knothead:
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Post by: magnus on October 06, 2013, 09:19:00 AM
No it's not. Lol ! Glad you had enough sense to come in out of the rain.    :biglaugh:
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 06, 2013, 11:13:00 AM
Danny,
That's a gorgeous bow
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Post by: Green on October 06, 2013, 12:04:00 PM
Things worked out well all around Danny.  Sorry Mother Nature chased you out of the tree last night.

Again, Thank You so much for the opportunity to own this Wesley!  It's a beautiful shooting bow, and spent the evening on stand last night.  No Whitetails were seen, but I do intend to take at least one with it this season.

This bow begs for silence!  Actually, I (once again) grew tired of the noise shooting 3Under makes and went back to split.  The sound of silence from a Hill bow is one of life's great pleasures!
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Post by: Moots on October 06, 2013, 09:19:00 PM
I bought a Miller Old Tom about a month ago that is in like-new condition:  68" and 55# @ 28".  Those are really nice bows!
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Post by: Overspined on October 07, 2013, 01:13:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Rossco7002:
I really like the look of the woods in Brian's new bow! I'd really like to get myself a yew limbed Hill bow with dark myrtle riser and brown glass...
Make sure you ask for the wood you really want.  There is light yew and dark yew. Female and male.  If you don't specify you may end up with a much lighter bow than you expected!  I have a preference for the dark yew like on Brian's bow, but have seen some nice light yew as well! I have a hard time with picking between dark bamboo and yew...both are good performers.  I am a fan of one or the other and would stay away from mixing them at this point.  Yew dents easier though so it's good to treat it well.
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Post by: Overspined on October 07, 2013, 01:15:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by lone hunter:
That's a fine looking bow Danny, looks brand new. I'll be able to join the HH gang next week. Mr Berry says my Morningstar will be ready mid-week. Couple weeks after that, I'll get my Vixen.
Way to jump in with both feet!!!
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Post by: Rossco7002 on October 07, 2013, 07:45:00 AM
Get some pics up Moots!

I have a lighter coloured Half Breed but have really got a thing for the dark, redish yew under brown glass backing and white glass belly...
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Post by: TJK68 on October 07, 2013, 03:17:00 PM
Just got my Miller Old Tom in the mail this morning, great looking bow. I have not shot it yet but draws very smooth, 68" 55#'s at my draw. Yew under brown glass with a nice Myrtle riser.
Tom
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Post by: jeffg on October 07, 2013, 03:42:00 PM
I just found and brought back home a Robertson Purist that dick made for me back in the 90s. It is Yew and man did it age to a beautiful redish brown.
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Post by: Charlie Lamb on October 07, 2013, 03:47:00 PM
Just talked to our buddy Roy "Mudd" Williams. He's doing ok, but still pretty sick. He's at the VA hospital in Columbia and they are giving him antibiotics and trying to figure out what's up.

He suspects a tick bite problem. Muscle aches, low grade fever, severe chills.

Keep him in your thoughts.
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Post by: Bud B. on October 07, 2013, 04:04:00 PM
Thank you for the update Charlie. If you speak to him again please tell him he's in our thoughts and prayers as I'm sure you have already.
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Post by: Green on October 07, 2013, 04:33:00 PM
Prayers up for you Roy.  We'll keep you always in our thoughts, and keep things burning for you here.
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Post by: SportHunter on October 07, 2013, 05:07:00 PM
Looking for wood arrow spine recommendations for two set ups. I've been using 29" 1916 & 2016s for the most part due to being soo simple to tune.

First two Hill style bows are 56@28, drawn to 27", fast flight string, thinking of using broadheads from 125 - 175 grain.

Second set up is for 50-53# @28" Hill style bows with b50 string, 27" draw.

I have a few 50# spine woods and a few 60# spine woods and i can't tell much difference yet. Any insight would be appreciated before i order up some material. Thanks! Paul
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Post by: Bud B. on October 07, 2013, 06:03:00 PM
I'm using 29" 1916s out of a 47@27 Hill style with 145 tips. Flight is great.

I'd think 29" 2016s would work for both if you vary the tip like you want. 125-175.
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Post by: Ifrit617 on October 07, 2013, 06:12:00 PM
Hey bud, I have a 41#@29" hill style coming in the mail on Thursday and hoped to use full length 1916's (31") with 125-145 grains up front. Do you think they will be in the right ballpark?

By the way, your post on your dads bow was what caused me to buy my seven lakes bow, so thanks for the tip! From order to delivery was only 3 weeks!

Jon
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Post by: Bud B. on October 07, 2013, 06:28:00 PM
Mike's awesome.

1916 should do well. Just have some different tips to try from 100 up to 175 but I'm thinkng the 100-125 will be in the ballpark.
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on October 07, 2013, 08:45:00 PM
Just read Charlie's last post. I'll keep you up front on my prayer list my friend. Take car Roy and get well soon!
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Post by: Charlie Lamb on October 07, 2013, 11:26:00 PM
Just received some Howard Hill broadheads from the guys in Montana today. I see a little change in them since the last time I got some... years ago.

The ferrule is nice and slick but the name isn't very pronounced. The grind is kind of rough (I can deal with that) but at the heel of the blade they got a little heavy with the grinder and that took off some of the width and I could have done without that.

Anyway, they are what they are. I modified them the way I like.
   (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/Hillbroadheadbarbed.JPG)
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Post by: far rider on October 08, 2013, 02:18:00 AM
Wow, been away a short while and we're well into thread two for my beloved Hills. Epic!

Went back and caught your buck thread Charlie, nice job, and a really nice deer. As always, a joy to read.
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on October 08, 2013, 07:47:00 AM
Charlie,

"I modified them they way I like."

Did that include removing the lip that touches the ferrule at the heel of the blade? Or is that the way Craig is making them now?

Just curious,
Danny
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Post by: Charlie Lamb on October 08, 2013, 11:34:00 AM
I modify them to be barbed Danny. If anything they fly even better, quieter and deeper.

If they don't end up sticking in the ground and the deer carries it off there is a good chance the barbs will snag on brush and pull the arrow out of the wound.

That was Howard's wisdom and I tend to listen to him on these things.
   :readit:
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Post by: Butch Speer on October 08, 2013, 11:41:00 AM
Just talked to Mudd a few minutes ago. He does have a tick borne problem. Good news is he is feeling much better. He almost sounded like Mudd! Said he was going home tomorrow.
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on October 08, 2013, 11:56:00 AM
Charlie, thanks for the info.

Butch, good to hear that Roy is doing better. Prayers do work!   :thumbsup:
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Post by: Linwood Hines on October 08, 2013, 12:53:00 PM
I like the idea of the mods you did Charlie!

Hey, can y'all send me some deer mojo. Sat in the hot ground stand all day, on known trails, and not a sign of a deer.  Cold front came thru, and some rain, hoping my luck will change, but some help from you guys will be appreciated.

Prayers to Mudd.
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Post by: Moots on October 08, 2013, 01:05:00 PM
Glad to hear that Mudd is on the mend!  I have gone to him for advice on bows a couple of times.  What a generous, kind-hearted fellow.
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Post by: JDBerry on October 08, 2013, 01:10:00 PM
Wouldn't want to git caught with that head in Washington state. spoke with Muddy yesterday,Told him "some guys will do anything to pick up a good looking nurse, Mudd replyed I got a male nurse, not my type."
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Post by: Green on October 08, 2013, 01:15:00 PM
Glad to hear you're going to be heading home Roy.  Sorry you've got a tick disease though.  It'll be good to have you back here.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 08, 2013, 06:20:00 PM
Glad to hear that Mudd is in the mend.
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Post by: TJK68 on October 08, 2013, 06:45:00 PM
Yep that is good news for sure about Mudd.
Tom
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Post by: Charlie Lamb on October 08, 2013, 08:30:00 PM
JD... Even though I think the laws concerning barbed broadheads are archaic I'm always careful to be aware of regulations where I go hunting.

Not a problem here.   :thumbsup:
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Post by: ChrisM on October 08, 2013, 09:23:00 PM
Charlie what did you use to cut the back part off of the heads?
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Post by: akbowbender on October 08, 2013, 10:02:00 PM
Squash that bug, Roy!

James: Not sure who's the bigger character, you or Roy!

How's Pluto doing? I didn't get a moose this year, so he'll have to make it on kibbles!
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Post by: RC on October 08, 2013, 11:44:00 PM
# 3...

  (http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/IMG_0149_zps1dca626d.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/rcswampbucket/media/IMG_0149_zps1dca626d.jpg.html)
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Post by: Charlie Lamb on October 08, 2013, 11:48:00 PM
ChrisM...I've used a Dremel and cut off wheel in the past, but did this batch with a hacksaw then touched them up with a mill file.
Only took a few minutes.
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Post by: far rider on October 09, 2013, 12:15:00 AM
Good job AGAIN RC!
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Post by: Green on October 09, 2013, 05:00:00 AM
You and your new stick seem to be doing well RC.  Congrats!
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Post by: Irish Archer on October 09, 2013, 04:19:00 PM
Congrats RC!
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Post by: Butch Speer on October 09, 2013, 04:46:00 PM
RC,
You gonna de-populate the entire stat of Georgia! Way to go.
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Post by: WESTBROOK on October 09, 2013, 09:24:00 PM
Nice RC!

That bow learns quick.    :thumbsup:

Eric
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on October 09, 2013, 09:45:00 PM
All I have to say right now is, I'm on Mr. B's list.


   :saywhat:
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Post by: lone hunter on October 10, 2013, 09:20:00 AM
Good on ya Danny. Have to tell you I'am having a ball shooting mine.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Moots on October 10, 2013, 01:16:00 PM
Ric,

Which bow model are you choosing?  That was the challenge I had.

Moots
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on October 10, 2013, 02:17:00 PM
Moots,
That has yet to be determined. BUT, I'm on the list!
   :bigsmyl:
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 10, 2013, 06:37:00 PM
Good on ya Danny.  I had a hard time choosing to so I decided on one of each. HA
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Post by: Green on October 10, 2013, 08:42:00 PM
Had a little birdie tell me about your order Danny.  Congrats and may your wait time be short.

I must say that a mutual friend of ours who is seriously jealous of the "Tuxedo Wesley", is probably going to have one made just like it.....only 20# heavier.  Lol.
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on October 10, 2013, 09:34:00 PM
Rob - Looks like it will probably be about 8-10 weeks, maybe longer depending on several variables.

If the "mutual friend" does make that order, we both know he will be very pleased. The thing about Craig is the wait won't be very long. From the time I placed the order for the Tembo until it was at my front door was just under three weeks.
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Post by: Green on October 11, 2013, 05:38:00 AM
I have this feeling that order will be placed, and yes, Craig gets them in your hands quickly.  Gonna be a long couple of months on your order....but at least it's hunting season!
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 11, 2013, 10:42:00 PM
Well I think this is my hunting set up for the year if I even get a chance to get out

 (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/null_zpsc44a164e.jpg)

JD berry Northstar with Beman centershot 400s tipped with 175 VPAs
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Post by: akbowbender on October 12, 2013, 12:08:00 AM
I was out in the yard this evening shooting at leaves, when my son Jake came by for supper.

 Jake only shoots one of my bows occationally, and has never shot one of my longbows.

I had him sling up the back quiver, and gave him my Misty Dawn. He knew how to do the quiver bump, and drawing the arrow by the nock, since he filmed my recent video.

Anyway, he started shooting at leaves. You'd have thought he had been shooting all the time with the way he was laying them in there!

   (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii185/finnish-archer/ArcheryPhotos/20131011_165856_zps29dc6003.jpg)

Maybe I'll have a shooting partner after all!
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Post by: JDBerry on October 12, 2013, 12:12:00 PM
Akbowbender, Told Pluto no moose meat, pretty sure hes got a different out look on the muley around here now...James
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Post by: Rossco7002 on October 12, 2013, 04:20:00 PM
That's a nice looking set up Brian. I shot my first trad buck with a VPA 175 - very impressive head!
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 12, 2013, 04:33:00 PM
Rossco,
I am finding that they just always fly well no matter the release or wind. I'm happy with them.
And thanks
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Post by: moebow on October 12, 2013, 04:40:00 PM
Have to "fess" up -- been on James Berry's list for two bows for a month or so.  One standard handle and one reverse handle.  Devil made me do it -- to say nothing of James' skill and quality.

Arne
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Post by: TJK68 on October 12, 2013, 05:44:00 PM
Beautiful bow Brian.
Tom
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Post by: magnus on October 12, 2013, 06:02:00 PM
Arne have heard nothing but praise on his reverse handle bow. I think you'll be happy!
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Post by: canopyboy on October 12, 2013, 06:10:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/MgG0LJm.jpg)

One of these days I'm gonna get me a shot at something bigger.  (And maybe a new camera phone with out a blurred lens...)
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Post by: canopyboy on October 12, 2013, 06:19:00 PM
Oh, and there's an all natural Miller on order now too.
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Post by: magnus on October 12, 2013, 06:41:00 PM
Nice shooting David ! Squirrels ain't easy but sure are fun!
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Post by: Rossco7002 on October 12, 2013, 07:22:00 PM
@ Brian - I agree. VPAs fly awesome for me too - I've switched to grizzlies on cedars this season and they're the only other head that delivers the same level of forgiveness and durability.

@David - which Miller are you going for buddy?
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 12, 2013, 08:29:00 PM
Glad to hear your on the list Arne. It's no secret that I love em!!
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Post by: Green on October 13, 2013, 07:42:00 AM
Congrats on your upcoming bows Arne!  I'm looking forward to your opinions of the Morning Star.  What draw weight range did you order?
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Post by: MikeNova on October 13, 2013, 07:49:00 AM
Brian James bows are made to be shot not just looked at go hunting!
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Post by: canopyboy on October 13, 2013, 08:04:00 AM
That squirrel thinks VPAs work just fine.  

@ Rossco - The split bamboo.  Talked to Dave at length about that vs. the Concave/Convex Hawk.  He basically talked me out of the Hawk.
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Post by: moebow on October 13, 2013, 08:04:00 AM
I'm looking forward to getting the bows.  I ordered both to be "brothers" (relative look a likes). They will be coco bolo riser, white glass and bamboo limbs.  Both 43# at 30".  I ordered them primarily for my "training equipment" inventory.  I work with many that want to try a Hill style but all my bows are 50# or higher -- not a good bow weight for beginners trying them out.

Fully 90% of my personal shooting these days are "demo" shots for students usually done at an indoor 20 yards range so these should fill the bill nicely.  Will let you all know what I think but can't imagine that a Berry bow will be anything BUT absolutely perfect.

Arne
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Post by: Rossco7002 on October 13, 2013, 09:10:00 AM
Very cool buddy!

Dave has told me that he feels the split bamboo is the sweetest shooting bow he makes. I really agonized over a choice between the Hawk or the Expedition - must have changed my mind 20 times while I waited form my spot on the list to come up! Lol

What sold you on the split bamboo?

My next Miller is likely to be an all natural bamboo and yew - I love how they look!
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Post by: Moots on October 13, 2013, 01:21:00 PM
I wouldn't sell my fiberglass longbows, but I bought a bamboo and wood (no glass) Saluki from Knapper that is very nice.
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Post by: Moots on October 13, 2013, 02:11:00 PM
Here are some pictures of my Saluki Grandeur.

 (http://i.imgur.com/eR7nTS6.jpg)

 (http://i.imgur.com/RKskMFU.jpg)

 (http://i.imgur.com/YDpkCQx.jpg)

 (http://i.imgur.com/eNMrgLC.jpg)

 (http://i.imgur.com/6uQPjj8.jpg)
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Post by: far rider on October 14, 2013, 12:50:00 AM
Very Nice Saluki!
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Post by: mbugland on October 14, 2013, 11:33:00 PM
Okay, Hill Family...
Tip protectors for these skinny tips. What are you using or making. Looking through the great collections there appears to be a variety of different things adorning the tips of all your bows (some with nothing at all) I can't seem to find them skinny enough. I'm too cheap to blindly buy them, and can't seem to make the pinkie tips of gloves work for anything more than string keepers.
I now have two bare wesley specials that I want to get something on to protect them since I am as clumsy as they come.
Your thoughts and insight are greatly appreciated.
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Post by: TJK68 on October 14, 2013, 11:50:00 PM
Use old exercise resistance bands, cut them into small pieces, works great.
Tom
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Post by: Rossco7002 on October 15, 2013, 08:36:00 AM
If anyone owns longbows from both HHA and James Berry I'd really appreciate it if you could post up some pics of the limb tips side by side.....
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Post by: blinds on October 15, 2013, 08:51:00 AM
I cut about 1" off Gerber latex baby bottle nipples.  They fit my NM classic perfectly. They came in a box of 4, so it makes for cheap protectors.
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Post by: bicster on October 15, 2013, 09:02:00 AM
I use the leather tip protectors that you have to tie on.
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Post by: Green on October 15, 2013, 09:42:00 AM
I buy the black vinyl tip protectors from 3R and cut them in half where the "waist" indent is.  Turn that sideways and slip over the tip of my Wesley's, Half Breed, and Wildcat no problem.
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Post by: centaur on October 15, 2013, 02:47:00 PM
Put this on another thread, but  thought it should go on the HH thread, too. The Cheetah took down a turkey hen this morning; deer are next on the agenda.
  (http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac67/peastes/HDRturkey_zps3fd93bbe.jpg) (http://s886.photobucket.com/user/peastes/media/HDRturkey_zps3fd93bbe.jpg.html)
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Post by: TJK68 on October 15, 2013, 02:54:00 PM
Great pic Centaur!
Tom
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 15, 2013, 04:21:00 PM
Great job Centaur. I love the pic too!!!
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Post by: Wannabe1 on October 15, 2013, 04:34:00 PM
Congrats again Pat. I'd love to see an all Howard Hill harvest thread.   :p
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Post by: RC on October 15, 2013, 04:45:00 PM
Good hunt this morning..RC

  (http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/IMG_0205_zps97aa0856.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/rcswampbucket/media/IMG_0205_zps97aa0856.jpg.html)

  (http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/IMG_0178_zps36a8f42a.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/rcswampbucket/media/IMG_0178_zps36a8f42a.jpg.html)
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Post by: Irish Archer on October 15, 2013, 04:51:00 PM
Nice buck RC, congrats.
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Post by: Wannabe1 on October 15, 2013, 05:00:00 PM
Congrats on the buck RC! That bow sure is a worker.   :thumbsup:
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Post by: TJK68 on October 15, 2013, 05:14:00 PM
Great buck RC, Congrats.
Tom
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Post by: Moots on October 15, 2013, 05:25:00 PM
Wow, that looks like a painting. Beautiful photo.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 15, 2013, 06:24:00 PM
Fantastic job RC!!!!!!  Very nice buck
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Post by: WESTBROOK on October 15, 2013, 07:00:00 PM
Well done Pat    :thumbsup:  

That's a great photo!

Eric
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Post by: bsv on October 15, 2013, 08:26:00 PM
RC, is the camo on your bow paint? is it removable?
Burt
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Post by: Bud B. on October 15, 2013, 08:28:00 PM
Around these parts that's a great wall hanger RC!

Congrats Sir. You are a very blessed man for sure.
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Post by: far rider on October 15, 2013, 08:38:00 PM
Well done Pat! Love the pic.
RC....dag gone....you are making those of us without the time right now look really REALLY bad! Congrats....AGAIN!!!!
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Post by: mbugland on October 15, 2013, 08:54:00 PM
Thanks for all the great Ideas on tip protectors.

~Break//Break~

Great job on the Turkey Centaur.

and one beautiful Ga Buck RC. that's bigger than anything I saw when I was in those parts, years ago. Definitely making me itch for the woods.
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Post by: RC on October 15, 2013, 08:56:00 PM
It is paint and I could`nt tell you if it will come off or not. It was a tad shiny and it was made for killing.RC
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Post by: RC on October 15, 2013, 09:12:00 PM
Congrats Centaur on the Bird. No fall season here. Beautiful pic.RC
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Post by: wislnwings on October 15, 2013, 10:28:00 PM
I stuck a doe Friday evening with my Redman.  Unfortunately my phone battery was dead so no pics.  Heading back in the morning to see if I can do it again.
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Post by: Bob B. on October 15, 2013, 11:29:00 PM
Boy, it is a miracle that between RC and Pat there are any animals left for the rest of us to hunt!

Nice buck RC.

   :archer:  

Bob.
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Post by: canopyboy on October 16, 2013, 03:57:00 PM
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Originally posted by RC:
It is paint and I could`nt tell you if it will come off or not. It was a tad shiny and it was made for killing.RC
I love that sentiment.  Made me laugh.  And if was made for killing, it appears to have been made well....
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Post by: canopyboy on October 16, 2013, 04:32:00 PM
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Originally posted by Rossco7002:
Very cool buddy!

Dave has told me that he feels the split bamboo is the sweetest shooting bow he makes. I really agonized over a choice between the Hawk or the Expedition - must have changed my mind 20 times while I waited form my spot on the list to come up! Lol

What sold you on the split bamboo?

My next Miller is likely to be an all natural bamboo and yew - I love how they look!
Dave himself sold me on the split.  He said if you had both versions at the same specs side by side, you probably would not be able to tell which one was which by looking at them.  And most people couldn't tell the difference shooting them at the lower draw weights (under 70-80#).  They are both smooth being made from bamboo and being tillered the same.  The CCCV bow would have a very slight performance edge over the flat laminations at my 55# draw weight, but if I wanted the last drop of performance, I wouldn't be looking at an all wood/boo bow.  He said that things do change at higher draw weights, you see a little more delta in the performance.  He also thought there was a touch more stability in the CCCV design, allowing Howard to keep the heavier weight bows thinner compared to a split.

So he basically had me convinced that I probably couldn't tell the difference at 55# and that he'd recommend I go with the split bamboo and keep the extra money for another bow down the road.  Who am I to argue with the man on this point?
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Post by: ChrisM on October 16, 2013, 09:44:00 PM
Me my boy my Sunset Hill and a tasty bunny.
  (http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa443/ChrisMancill/20131007_196.jpg) (http://s1198.photobucket.com/user/ChrisMancill/media/20131007_196.jpg.html)
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Post by: magnus on October 16, 2013, 09:54:00 PM
Great pic and nice bunny Chris. Good job on getting your son involved!
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on October 16, 2013, 10:05:00 PM
Great pic of you and your son Chris. Y'all doing OK?

Danny
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Post by: Rossco7002 on October 16, 2013, 10:25:00 PM
Nice Dave! You're gonna love that bow!

How long is the wait time for a Miller bow now! He was over a year when I took delivery of my Expedition in the Spring...
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Post by: Green on October 17, 2013, 06:54:00 AM
Love that pic of you and your son Chris.     :thumbsup:

There is so much that goes on in this thread with its' contributors and new bows, quivers, etc. we need a smiley that says Congrats, Great Job on the order, Good Luck, and Enjoy the Hedoubletoothpicks out of it!     :D
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Post by: canopyboy on October 17, 2013, 08:35:00 AM
Ross - not sure.  I had originally sent in a partial deposit to take his bow-making class.  (If you go back far enough in the first thread, you can see my excitement about it.)  But some deaths in my wife's family postponed it, followed by furloughs and other things that have made it all but impossible to reschedule anytime soon.  That and it became a constant source of friction on the homefront.  So I called Dave and we decided to use that deposit to make a bow instead.

I didn't ask for a delivery estimate -- I told him there was no rush.  But he's had my money since January and said he thought that was too long so he'd work me in sooner than later.  So, I don't know if I'll get the bow in a month or two or sometime next year.
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Post by: TJK68 on October 17, 2013, 12:17:00 PM
Spike buck I shot with my David Miller Old Tom.
Tom

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Post by: centaur on October 17, 2013, 12:36:00 PM
Love seeing successful Hill style pics! Good one, TJK!
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Post by: dragonheart on October 17, 2013, 12:45:00 PM
 (http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n559/jeffbschulz/23924bfe-465c-47aa-a6e1-6b659b057406_zpsca1791cf.jpg) (http://s1139.photobucket.com/user/jeffbschulz/media/23924bfe-465c-47aa-a6e1-6b659b057406_zpsca1791cf.jpg.html)
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Post by: Knawbone on October 17, 2013, 08:02:00 PM
Hey........pork! Nice to see you Jeff. Where were those pixs when we where in Georgia last year? Congrats on the nice pig.   :thumbsup:
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Post by: magnus on October 17, 2013, 08:06:00 PM
Great hog and great spike!!! That turkey pic is too cool!
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Post by: far rider on October 18, 2013, 06:49:00 PM
Nice spike, and nice hog! You guys are rippin this year!
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Post by: ZaneD on October 18, 2013, 08:41:00 PM
Well  folks I haven't contributed much to this thread, but this year I ordered a big five from HHA, and  its  my go-to for  this hunting season. Before buying that bow I'd never shot a straight  end longbow, but I'm really enjoying it. Today I finally got some time off of  work made it in the woods for the second  time this season.  At about 5:30 this evening I had a great ten  yard opportunity on a small  six  point, I was nervous about the hit because I only got about eight inches of penetration, but it turns out that I made a solid lung hit and a smooth 75 yd recovery.

I was hunting in surry county VA,  equipment specs are:

68" big Five, string follow profile, 55# @ 29",  tapered cedar shafts from the nocking point, Magnus two blade and a safari tuff quiver.

Here's my trophy, first kill with a wooden arrow.
  (http://  [img]http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y432/Zgdavis1392/ResizedImage_1382140978802_zps4e84020f.jpg)
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 18, 2013, 08:52:00 PM
Great job!!! Beautiful deer
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Post by: far rider on October 18, 2013, 08:54:00 PM
I GOTTA GET IN THE WOODS!!!!!
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Post by: Green on October 18, 2013, 08:55:00 PM
Nice work AZ!
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Post by: magnus on October 18, 2013, 08:58:00 PM
Congratulations! My Big 5 is getting hungry.
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Post by: Irish Archer on October 18, 2013, 09:24:00 PM
Good buck Zoom! Way to go.
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Post by: Wannabe1 on October 18, 2013, 11:45:00 PM
That is down right AWESOME! Congrats on the Big 5 and the buck.   :thumbsup:
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Post by: Butch Speer on October 19, 2013, 12:20:00 AM
Atlatl,
Way to go!
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Post by: Centex on October 20, 2013, 04:06:00 PM
I saw a HH Wesley Special "Black Bear" at a shoot this weekend. Was this a limited run or something different?
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on October 20, 2013, 05:44:00 PM
Good job Zane!
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Post by: WESTBROOK on October 20, 2013, 07:34:00 PM
Well done Zane   :thumbsup:
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Post by: MikeM on October 20, 2013, 09:56:00 PM
Centex Craig calls a Wesley with a carbon Lam the Black Bear
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Post by: Centex on October 20, 2013, 10:36:00 PM
Thanks Mike.
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Post by: Nala on October 20, 2013, 10:53:00 PM
Hey you guys that shoot the Hill Style bows, how long to you remain at anchor when you shoot these types of bows?  Are you drawing and HOLDING for a few seconds or do you release as soon as your anchor point is touched?

I don't have a Hill bow....yet, but I am going to get one soon.  I love seeing all the great looking bows in this thread.  I wish someone would've went back and got all the pics and put those on a page to browse.

Thanks

Nalajr
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on October 21, 2013, 08:21:00 AM
Nala,
Asbell covers the very issue you asked about in his books. With me, I focus on where I want to hit as I draw. When I get to my anchor point, the arrow is gone.
Anchor is kind of a misnomer. I don't "hold" as the term anchor might indicate. It is a point to which I draw and when I get there, the arrow is away.

Some might call it snap shooting, but it isn't. There is a lot more going on that is wrong when a person snap shoots.

Danny
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Post by: centaur on October 21, 2013, 08:33:00 AM
Unlike Ric, I hold for a second or two once I reach full draw. I have tried to shoot with his method, and it results in lousy shots for me, but if I hold for just a second or two, my shots go where they should.  We are all a bit different, and shooting methods vary, but if the job gets done, it's all good.
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Post by: Bud B. on October 21, 2013, 09:04:00 AM
My shooting style mirrors what Danny said above Larry. I draw to my anchor or touch spot and arrow is gone. Aiming takes place as the arrow is drawn. It is not perfect for me, but is much better than if I hold, even if I hold only a second or so. If I try Howard's "split vision" style of aiming, my arrow is so far below the target at close range it is a distraction for me to try to see it in my secondary vision. At longer ranges it helps though.
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Post by: Rossco7002 on October 21, 2013, 09:09:00 AM
I practice the swing draw with both a touch and go style and holding for 5 seconds or longer. I feel like this makes for added versatility when dealing with game in the field. I am more accurate with using a 'hold' though...
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Post by: GreyGoose on October 21, 2013, 09:23:00 AM
I have to hold, for final mental (more than visual) focus, but I think people who really concentrate well don't need to.
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Post by: bicster on October 21, 2013, 09:43:00 AM
I shoot the best when I just think about being fluid. Ric pretty much explained my method too.
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Post by: pavan on October 21, 2013, 10:47:00 AM
I worked on holding for my right hand shooting, so I could develope a better secondary aim for long shots. When I got to that point,I found  with a slower draw that a 1/4 second hold was as good as a 4 second hold. I have seen some guys really mess themselves up trying to develope an exact secondary aiming process. I have found its better, when telling people new to this, that the arrow needs to be pointed at the target and that it needs to be lobbed up far enough so that it hits the target when it comes down, than trying to tell someone where to put the point on the ground, which gets them confused and looking at the point. If one holds for a longer period, it will give the eyes a longer time to see what is in front of him, including the arrow and its relationship to the target. For most it is good to be able to hold sometimes when trying to shoot tight groups and to be able to take a quick fluid shot at game when needed.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 21, 2013, 11:35:00 AM
This is how I shoot.
 http://youtu.be/fWEr__vkN70
On movers or aerials I can and do shoot faster, but targets and MOST hunting situations its like te above
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Post by: Centex on October 21, 2013, 01:13:00 PM
I hold and aim.  My shots are all over the place if I shoot fast.
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Post by: Wannabe1 on October 21, 2013, 01:22:00 PM
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I hold and aim. My shots are all over the place if I shoot fast.
This is my method also. I don't care how much I practice it, if pull up and release, there ain't no telling where that arrow might end up!   :D    :rolleyes:
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Post by: Moots on October 21, 2013, 02:07:00 PM
I focus on the target, aim and pull to my anchor point, contract my back (opening my chest), hold briefly and release.
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Post by: Rossco7002 on October 21, 2013, 03:43:00 PM
That's a quiet bow you've got there Brian!
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Post by: LongStick64 on October 21, 2013, 05:02:00 PM
Swing up
Rotational draw
Push Towards target
Firm Anchor
Even Release

I don't hold more than as I feel a solid anchor, that is my trigger. As I rotate back and push to the target I am settling in. At anchor I'm on.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 21, 2013, 05:46:00 PM
Thanks rossco. That's my newest baby, te JD Berry Northstar. And those arrows only come in at 8.7 ish GPP.
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Post by: MikeNova on October 21, 2013, 06:12:00 PM
Brain have you been in the woods yet?
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 21, 2013, 06:47:00 PM
Not yet. Still working out of town, so when I get back in town I don't want to leave the wife and kiddos after not seeing them all week.

Hopefully soon
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Post by: WESTBROOK on October 21, 2013, 06:54:00 PM
I shoot like Ric O'Shay most of the time, pretty quick. When I'm practicing I'll make my self hold for 2-4-10 seconds just to make sure everything is right and I am in control of the shot. Its real easy for me to fall into bad habits shooting fast, but making myself hold for a length of time keeps me "honest", and it can pay of in the woods too.

Eric
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Post by: Bud B. on October 21, 2013, 10:27:00 PM
Had the 7 Lakes Carolina Night in hand tonight with a button buck broadside to me for plenty of time for a shot. Only about 5-7 yards out. I'm just 12 feet up. Just couldn't do it. He had no clue I existed. I'd like to maybe see him next year. And then maybe the next. Still waiting for my first longbow harvest.
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Post by: Green on October 22, 2013, 04:43:00 AM
Sounds like a cool evening hunt Pat.  It'll happen!
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Post by: nineworlds9 on October 22, 2013, 02:39:00 PM
Just a teaser pic...arrives in 3 days...

70" lefty ~50@28.  Teak riser, bamboo core with cocobolo center lam, black glass back, clear glass belly, whale baleen tip overlays...

#5 of 50...

Named after a certain Mediterranean breeze  ;)

Used to have a stingray wrap but has been switched to elk by Craig, had the grip dished, and high gloss put on...ohh yeah...

   (http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/null_zps89c2e862.jpg)
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Post by: WESTBROOK on October 22, 2013, 09:04:00 PM
Boys, there's a Shulz Trophy Hunter in the classifieds.
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Post by: MikeNova on October 23, 2013, 10:58:00 AM
Ok we are getting some cooler weather here in SC. I have been out once a week every week since august the 15 fighting bugs, spider webs and hot humid days but now we are in the low 70's and I'm heading in the woods this evening and tomarrow morning if I dont shot anything tonight. It supposed to be 40 degrees in the morning. Hill bow ready to put a Simmons shark through a deer!
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Post by: Bob B. on October 23, 2013, 01:13:00 PM
Good Luck Brady -  hope you tip one over!  We have had 3 days of hard frost with more on the way.  I am hoping to see some bucks chasing this weekend ... and put a doug fir shaft through their chest.

Good luck to all, keep an eye on the upcoming hunter's moon.

Bob.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 23, 2013, 01:59:00 PM
Good luck mike. Are you taking the Morningstar or the vixen??
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Post by: MikeNova on October 23, 2013, 02:37:00 PM
The star! Headin out in 30 minutes . Its windy as heck around here
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on October 24, 2013, 09:44:00 AM
Mike - Anything?
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Post by: ron w on October 24, 2013, 03:49:00 PM
Hey, has anyone heard from Rik Hinton.....?I was thinking about his posts on the old Hill thread. He had great tales and good photos.......
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Post by: MikeNova on October 24, 2013, 05:13:00 PM
Wow for the 3rd time this year I've had deer within 25yards of me and not one presented a shot. Yesterday I had several gobblers around me and I didn't see any last turkey season.
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Post by: Centex on October 24, 2013, 09:13:00 PM
Teaching my son how to shoot bullseyes this evening.    (http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r792/Centex7/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps3a8b0adb.jpg)
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Post by: Wannabe1 on October 24, 2013, 09:39:00 PM
Does anyone hunt with a "plains style" quiver with your Hill/Hill style bow? If so, got pics?   :)
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Post by: magnus on October 24, 2013, 09:44:00 PM
Cool pic Bill. Good on you for taking the time.
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Post by: Green on October 25, 2013, 07:07:00 AM
Yep, neat picture.  Tell Cy he needs to wait till that "bullseye" quarters away slightly.     :eek:
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 25, 2013, 07:09:00 AM
Wannabe,
When I get back into town ill take some picks of my plains quiver.,  I use my side stalker the most  but the plains quiver is a close 2 nd
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on October 25, 2013, 07:16:00 AM
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Originally posted by Green:
Yep, neat picture.  Tell Cy he needs to wait till that "bullseye" quarters away slightly.      :eek:  
Rob -
I was thinking the same thing.    :bigsmyl:
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Post by: centaur on October 25, 2013, 09:06:00 AM
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Originally posted by Wannabe1:
Does anyone hunt with a "plains style" quiver with your Hill/Hill style bow? If so, got pics?    :)  
I use a SafariTuff; sort of a 'plains style' in modern dress.
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I am thinking about getting a leather one, like the one Raptor Archery sells.
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Post by: Wannabe1 on October 25, 2013, 11:18:00 AM
I use my back quiver during the early warmer season but, was looking to go to a side type quiver during the late season. It can be pretty wet here in Oregon sometimes for the late season and I want to keep my fletching dry plus have quick accessibility. I really like the plains style quiver.
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Post by: Centex on October 25, 2013, 03:02:00 PM
I shot with a "plains style" style for the first time last weekend.  My review to the owner of the quiver was that "when it worked, it worked. when it didnt, it dropped arrows on the ground".  I think a 3 point harness would hunt.
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Post by: Knawbone on October 25, 2013, 06:58:00 PM
  (http://d.pictureupload.us/1889540727526af655248cb.jpg) (http://www.pictureupload.us)


Took this spike horn Thursday night with my 65" Cheetah, cedar shaft and Eskimo head.
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Post by: Green on October 25, 2013, 07:02:00 PM
Congrats David!
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Post by: Knawbone on October 25, 2013, 07:08:00 PM
  (http://d.pictureupload.us/1031567500526af8ef39a2b.jpg) (http://www.pictureupload.us)


18 to 20 yrd shot- lungs/ liver, 70yrd recovery
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Post by: Wannabe1 on October 25, 2013, 07:10:00 PM
Heck YAAAA! Congratulations and with a Hill bow too!   :thumbsup:
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Post by: MikeNova on October 25, 2013, 07:16:00 PM
Nice deer that will provide some good hamburger
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Post by: magnus on October 25, 2013, 08:20:00 PM
Congratulations!
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Post by: MikeNova on October 25, 2013, 08:46:00 PM
Nice deer that will provide some good hamburger
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Post by: far rider on October 25, 2013, 08:48:00 PM
Congrats! I hit the woods today for the first time post prep, but the wind was really swirling around, and I soon gave up seeing anything from my ground blind. I did see great sign all around including a promising scrape line, very clean and well used.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 25, 2013, 08:55:00 PM
Great job!!!!
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Post by: Butch Speer on October 25, 2013, 09:42:00 PM
Congrats Knawbone!!!
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Post by: Rossco7002 on October 25, 2013, 09:43:00 PM
Nicely done Dave! With a bow you finished yourself too!
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Post by: Butch Speer on October 25, 2013, 09:45:00 PM
Centex,
Same thing happened to me. You can't hardly use anything but two blade heads and you need to be real careful putting them in the quiver. that soft leather cuts pretty easy.
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Post by: Irish Archer on October 26, 2013, 12:57:00 AM
Good job on the buck Dave, congrats.
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Post by: Bud B. on October 26, 2013, 04:14:00 AM
I remember that hat. Hope to see it soon.  :)

Congrats Dave. Those pictures remind me of seeing hanging deer when I was a kid huntin' with my Dad in Laurel Springs, NC. A local small motel had a second level. You would always see deer hanging from the second story walkway railing by afternoon on opening day. Sadly those days are past and the motel is no there more.
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on October 26, 2013, 10:03:00 AM
Congratulations David!    :thumbsup:
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Post by: Kelly on October 26, 2013, 11:05:00 AM
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Originally posted by ron w:
Hey, has anyone heard from Rik Hinton.....?I was thinking about his posts on the old Hill thread. He had great tales and good photos.......
Rik is doing well and coming out with a new eMagazine, check it out.   http://www.ilongbow.com/
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Post by: nineworlds9 on October 26, 2013, 11:18:00 AM
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Post by: Knawbone on October 26, 2013, 12:58:00 PM
Thanks everyone, I normally hunt more mature bucks, but with little time to hunt this year, I couldn't pass him up. Their all a trophy with a trad bow! Back to hunting for that elusive Doe from the ground. Hope you all have a great season and God bless.
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Post by: TJK68 on October 26, 2013, 01:56:00 PM
Congrats Dave, nice deer.
Tom
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Post by: ron w on October 26, 2013, 03:38:00 PM
Thanks Kelly.......   :thumbsup:
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Post by: ron w on October 26, 2013, 03:38:00 PM
Darn double post  :banghead:
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Post by: Bowboy_AR on October 26, 2013, 04:45:00 PM
Hey Hill gang... just wanted to share my first traditional harvest and it was with a Hill bow.  Full story is posted in the Pow Wow - "Got my first!"  So much learned from this amazing thread!  Thanks guys!

64" Northern Mist Whisper

  (http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o553/jtlup/d5b32566-0aee-47ba-a79d-47a96cfc22b3.jpg) (http://s1147.photobucket.com/user/jtlup/media/d5b32566-0aee-47ba-a79d-47a96cfc22b3.jpg.html)
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Post by: Green on October 26, 2013, 06:41:00 PM
Congrats Jason.  Looks like the Hill bows are really taking the game this year.  Hopefully I'll be able to add to the pics before end of season.
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Post by: Bud B. on October 26, 2013, 08:32:00 PM
Fine looking doe Jason!! Congrats  :thumbsup:

I had the 7 Lakes in hand tonight with two deer behind me at 20 feet. Hunting from the ground. The honeysuckle kept me from shooting 'cause it was waaaaay thick. I could only see their feet and glimpses of them. I think it was two doe, but not sure. Funny thing is they were straight downwind of me and never blew, snorted, ran, stomped, or anything except meandered along their merry way at a slow pace.


Tomorrow....you're only a day away.  :)
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Post by: MikeNova on October 26, 2013, 09:14:00 PM
Bud I've had a very simular experience 3 times this year.
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Post by: Wannabe1 on October 26, 2013, 09:21:00 PM
Good luck Bud! Hope tomorrow brings better and closer experiences.   :thumbsup:
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Post by: Knawbone on October 27, 2013, 10:34:00 AM
Nice mature whitetail Jason. Big congrats on your first trad kill. The quietness of the hill bow is a big plus. Enjoy the euphoric feeling.......you deserve it!
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Post by: canopyboy on October 27, 2013, 08:05:00 PM
I've decided even in a population control area, the little ones aren't worth the effort.  Not much meat by the time all was said and done with this little one...

 (http://i.imgur.com/bUEB20x.jpg)

But still, first thing in the freezer that wasn't a squirrel with a hill bow.  Not the prettiest shot ever made, but the deer was recovered so all is well.  Feeling good about the next few weeks though....
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Post by: Wannabe1 on October 27, 2013, 08:08:00 PM
Congrats and it's at least some good sausage!   :thumbsup:
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Post by: far rider on October 27, 2013, 08:14:00 PM
Hey, hey....alright! Congrats.
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Post by: canopyboy on October 27, 2013, 08:14:00 PM
As tender as I hope it is, I'm planning some kabobs at least with the backstrap.  The hind leg roasts are just perfect for a crock pot I think.  And I'll still have a few pounds of stuff to grind up.

My dad always said hunting blacktails in OR, they'd take the hindquarters and the backstraps.  Nothing else was worth it. Now I know what he meant.  

My congrats to Dave and Jason as well.  Hope to join you with a full sized deer soon enough.
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Post by: Knawbone on October 27, 2013, 08:23:00 PM
Congrats Dave, Iv never taken a deer quite that small, but dang that ought to be some good eating.You have now primed the pump for a bigger one. Best of luck to your season. Go get em!
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Post by: Jon Kaw on October 27, 2013, 09:07:00 PM
Hey guys, I just wanted to share some photos of a Big Five I acquired a few weeks ago.  64", 45@28, clear glass with ebony riser and limb tips.  It's got an understated look but it's a smooth shooter!
 (http://i.imgur.com/GWQJKHM.jpg)

 (http://i.imgur.com/Qz4MeaM.jpg)

 (http://i.imgur.com/kkgWszf.jpg)

 (http://i.imgur.com/IBnQ3ey.jpg)
I've taken it into the woods a few times this season but no luck yet.  It's good to see all the successful Hill bow hunts out there.   :clapper:
Good luck to everyone.
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Post by: far rider on October 27, 2013, 09:14:00 PM
I like it. I had a Wesley I sold a couple of years ago that was nearly identical....wish I had it back now!
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Post by: Rossco7002 on October 27, 2013, 09:18:00 PM
Nicely done! Great to see a the Hill style success in the field this Fall - gonna have to up my game and add some pics from up here in Canada!
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Post by: Wannabe1 on October 27, 2013, 10:09:00 PM
Great looking bow Jon, congrats!
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Post by: jsparky93 on October 27, 2013, 11:45:00 PM
Watched some youtube video's of John Schultz earlier tonight. Then I started looking at some of the beautiful hill style bows on this thread & now I think I have the HH bug. I am really enjoying this thread.
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Post by: Green on October 28, 2013, 05:10:00 AM
That's a nice looking Big Five Jon.  Those Ebony risers are beautiful.
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Post by: TJK68 on October 28, 2013, 09:38:00 AM
Nice "BIG 5", I like the looks of it.
Tom
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Post by: Butch Speer on October 30, 2013, 06:38:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by jsparky93:
Watched some youtube video's of John Schultz earlier tonight. Then I started looking at some of the beautiful hill style bows on this thread & now I think I have the HH bug. I am really enjoying this thread.
Sounds like you've caught Hillbowitis. Luckily, there's no cure. Enjoy yourself!
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Post by: Owlmagnet on October 30, 2013, 10:34:00 PM
Man, I hate when this thread slips to page two. So, doing my part, I thought I would mention that I recently went from sitka spruce arrows to ash. From a 425 grain finished arrow to a 630 grain finished arrow. Out of my Tembo, from 9.5gpp up to 14gpp. I'm sure it will take awhile to reprogram my "subconscious ballistic computer", but I have to admit that the bow is quieter and, at least out to 15 yards, or so, I haven't noticed much difference in trajectory. They also drive a bit deeper into the grass mat I use for routine practice.

I liked the spruce, but I seem to be pretty hard on them. (high casualty rate, over time) I think I will have to work at it to break one of these baseball bats! For what it's worth, it seemed like the ash shafts were tougher to get straight, initially, but they seem to be staying that way. They also seem to take a little longer to come out of paradox, but that's just a feeling; I have no scientific way to measure that. Both species of wood have the same spine and appear to fly equally well out of the same bow.

I hope someone might find these casual observations of use.
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Post by: TxAg on October 30, 2013, 10:36:00 PM
Perhaps this has been covered before, but how many of you shoot hill bows out of pop up blinds?

Maybe mine is too short, but i find it hard to do with consistency.
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Post by: Vesty on October 31, 2013, 11:12:00 AM
I shoot a 66" N.M. Whisper from an Ameristep Penthouse blind without any problem. This is, however, one of the taller blinds on the market.
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Post by: Centex on October 31, 2013, 02:49:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Owlmagnet:
Man, I hate when this thread slips to page two. So, doing my part, I thought I would mention that I recently went from sitka spruce arrows to ash. From a 425 grain finished arrow to a 630 grain finished arrow. Out of my Tembo, from 9.5gpp up to 14gpp. I'm sure it will take awhile to reprogram my "subconscious ballistic computer", but I have to admit that the bow is quieter and, at least out to 15 yards, or so, I haven't noticed much difference in trajectory. They also drive a bit deeper into the grass mat I use for routine practice.

I liked the spruce, but I seem to be pretty hard on them. (high casualty rate, over time) I think I will have to work at it to break one of these baseball bats! For what it's worth, it seemed like the ash shafts were tougher to get straight, initially, but they seem to be staying that way. They also seem to take a little longer to come out of paradox, but that's just a feeling; I have no scientific way to measure that. Both species of wood have the same spine and appear to fly equally well out of the same bow.

I hope someone might find these casual observations of use.
Thanks for the post as I looking to switch from POC to Douglas Fir.  Where did you buy the ash?
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Post by: Owlmagnet on October 31, 2013, 03:46:00 PM
Centex, I got the ash from Allegheny Arrow Woods. (Out of Pennsylvania.) Nice guy. Good price.

Douglas Fir, without question, makes a fine arrow. Best of luck to you.
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Post by: jeffg on October 31, 2013, 05:37:00 PM
I have been shooting Surewood Doug Fir for quit sometime and they are the best. They list shafts up to 100-105 lbs. The should be able to set you up great people and a sponser. Nothing like shooting woodies.
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Post by: RC on October 31, 2013, 06:12:00 PM
I Turkey hunt from an amerstep brickhouse with a 66" hill style bow with no problems. You have to pay attention. I also set the corners of the blind up on some sticks are something to raise it another couple inches. then rake the leaves from the inside against the gap.RC
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Post by: 2treks on November 01, 2013, 06:48:00 AM
"then rake the leaves from the inside against the gap.RC"
 
Is that to let the snakes in or out?    :scared:


The Big Mike is 80" tall I think. Barronett blinds
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Post by: Mudd on November 01, 2013, 07:38:00 AM
I have a Double Bull blind that I've shot 68" ers out of by just watching my limb tips.

It doesn't matter where or what your shooting out of, you can't forgot where "everything" is in relation to all of your bow.(tips included)

These kind of thoughts seem to get lost when live critters show up on the scene..lol

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: jeffg on November 01, 2013, 08:54:00 AM
Wrong forum
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Post by: TxAg on November 01, 2013, 09:05:00 AM
Thanks for the thoughts guys.  I may just pick up a taller ground blind if I find one on sale.  If I worry too much about the limb tips hitting, it ruins my concentration.
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Post by: ron w on November 02, 2013, 03:44:00 PM
I just pulled the trigger..........on a used "Wesley Special". 69" 40# @ 29". Looks to be in excellent shape and I'm excited.
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Post by: Green on November 02, 2013, 07:57:00 PM
Congrats Ron.  Without a doubt, the Wesley is my favorite bow.....to shoot, and to look at.  Enjoy!
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Post by: far rider on November 02, 2013, 08:12:00 PM
You'll love it. I've owned four Wesleys, and my current favorite is a custom Wesley Craig tailored for me. It is smooth like butta, and is a true pleasure to shoot.

  (http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac144/timwsmith/customwesley15.jpg) (http://s894.photobucket.com/user/timwsmith/media/customwesley15.jpg.html)
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Post by: JohnHV on November 02, 2013, 08:36:00 PM
Thought I would add a picture of my Shelton in its natural habitat.  Saw a doe about 30 seconds after snapping this picture.  Never got a shot!

   (http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n261/John_V_2006/Archery/shelton.jpg) (http://s114.photobucket.com/user/John_V_2006/media/Archery/shelton.jpg.html)
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Post by: Bob B. on November 02, 2013, 08:56:00 PM
Man that is one sexy Shelton!

Bob
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 02, 2013, 10:46:00 PM
I'm with bob on this one, that is sexy!!!
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Post by: JohnHV on November 03, 2013, 03:56:00 PM
Thanks. Steve makes a great bow.
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Post by: Jacquesbonin on November 03, 2013, 05:58:00 PM
Well Gang, I thought I would share a little success with all of you. Opening day in N.H. was September 15th,2013 a sunday. I am hunting from a treestand. A few minutes into legal shooting light, I had 3 bucks cross the ridge at 35 yards, no shot presented too much brush. Just then I suddenly looked over my right shoulder and there she was at 5 yards. I immediately did a 180 in the stand. Had to be careful and move slowly, there is another smaller doe facing my direction at 5 yards. By the time I was ready to draw the bigger doe was about 17 yards out and broadside. I drew my bow hit anchor, smooth clean instintive shot, the arrow passing completely through the doe and burying in the ground. The doe scooted a little bit and acted like she wasn't hit. Watch her cover about 50 yards and then took off to her left, found her about 75 yards as the crow flies. The arrow passed through both lungs, hitting where an X-ring on a 3D target and coming out the same spot on the far side. The bow I was using Howard Hill "Tembo" made like a "Big Five" by Ted Kramer in the 70's brown glass,shedua riser, bamboo limb core. The bow is a 70"68#s at 28"  I have hunted this a couple more times and still continue see does and button bucks. I have 2 more tags to fill, looking for something with a little more bone on it's head than buttons. Good luck to all of you. Jacques
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Post by: magnus on November 03, 2013, 06:28:00 PM
Hey Congratulations Jacques!!!! Way to get it done.
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Post by: far rider on November 03, 2013, 09:23:00 PM
Nice job!
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Post by: Green on November 04, 2013, 05:37:00 AM
Congrats Jacque.  Good luck on tagging out.
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Post by: Irish Archer on November 04, 2013, 07:02:00 AM
Hey rider,

What are the woods used in that Wesley photo? Sweet bow!
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on November 04, 2013, 09:07:00 AM
Well, RC's Hill Cheetah ( aka: Keeper Kat )has been around the country a few times. It has been owned and sold by Brother Mudd more times that I have fingers and toes.    :saywhat:  

Let me say that now it has found a home down here in Texas. It looked a little frazzled from its 6 day trip from Missouri to Texas (due to a zip code number being transposed). But a good cleaning and a new rusk colored pigskin grip and she looks good as new.

I'll post up a few pics of this poor unwanted (until now) step child later this afternoon.

Danny
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Post by: Pat B. on November 04, 2013, 09:19:00 AM
JohnHV, please tell us about your Shelton..

What is the riser wood, core, and veneers on your bow.. It's a good looker !
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Post by: JohnHV on November 04, 2013, 11:28:00 AM
Pat B.

The Shelton pictured is a 66" two-piece take-down (connexion) 53# @ 28".
Limbs are carmelized bamboo cores and American Elm veneers.  
Bocote riser with a slightly dished grip.
I added the leather grip and the beaver tail strike plate.
I had Steve tiller her for 3-under.

She is good looking, quiet and throws a heavy arrow.  
What more could you ask for in a hunting companion?   :)
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Post by: RC on November 04, 2013, 12:41:00 PM
Danny, The "Keeper Kat" is a pig killer.It just got harder to pull or I got weaker not sure which...RC
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Post by: Ron Roehrick on November 04, 2013, 01:27:00 PM
Jacques great shooting as always, hope all is going well on your end. Ron.
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Post by: TJK68 on November 04, 2013, 01:29:00 PM
Congrats on the kill Jacques! Nice looking bows fellows.
Tom
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Post by: far rider on November 04, 2013, 03:24:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Irish Archer:
Hey rider,

What are the woods used in that Wesley photo? Sweet bow!
Hey Irish,

The riser is Claro Walnut and the limbs veneers are fiddleback maple. I also had tip overlays of mastodon ivory put on it. I like the ivory colored wrap, but if I had it to do over I'd use a dark colored wrap. It shows dirt readily.
 
I purchased the woods and ivory myself and shipped them to Craig to use. It's a Wesley, but it's actually 7 lams. 5 bamboo with the two lams of maple under clear glass.
 
I love it, and my poor photography skills do not do Craig's work justice. The 7 lams and mid weight of the bow (68" 55@30-1/2")makes it soooo smooth and quiet that it's a true joy to shoot.

I've had it since 07 ??? I think, and it makes me smile every time I pick it up.

PM me if you want more details on it.

Thanks for asking
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on November 04, 2013, 04:05:00 PM
RC -
Here are a couple of pics after I put some rust colored pigskin on her. I'm vaguely aware of this fine bows history, so I will give her a chance to let air into some fine critters. I'd seen pics of Keeper Kat before, but had forgotten how dramatic the juniper is on this bow. Cheetahs are just about the prettiest bows that HHA builds.

   (http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/bard9l/IMG_2010_zps79f10d75.jpg) (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/bard9l/media/IMG_2010_zps79f10d75.jpg.html)
   (http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/bard9l/IMG_2009_zpsbfcfb93a.jpg) (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/bard9l/media/IMG_2009_zpsbfcfb93a.jpg.html)

Mudd my friend, thank you for such a fine shooter.

Danny
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Post by: Wannabe1 on November 04, 2013, 06:28:00 PM
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Post by: Rossco7002 on November 04, 2013, 06:44:00 PM
That's a sweet looking Cheetah! I have one with an ebony handle too - really sets off the juniper limbs. For some reason that bow seemed to have a little extra 'zip' to it...
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Post by: far rider on November 04, 2013, 07:41:00 PM
Ric,
That is indeed the most unique Cheetah I've seen. Very stunning with the ebony.
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Post by: 3Feathers on November 04, 2013, 07:44:00 PM
What length feathers are you Hill guys using on your arrows?
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Post by: far rider on November 04, 2013, 07:49:00 PM
4 in. shields.
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Post by: Knawbone on November 04, 2013, 07:53:00 PM
My Cheetah is a great performer and a great looking bow. As Rossco said, it has a little more zip to it for some reason. I had Craig and Jason put an extra lam of bamboo in mine. Craig said that it would give it a little extra zip. I think a five lam Cheetah is a good choice in a HHA bow. Iv' stopped looking for a better fitting bow for my needs.
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Post by: Knawbone on November 04, 2013, 07:56:00 PM
3F, I have always used 5" shields. Target and hunting arrows.
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Post by: magnus on November 04, 2013, 07:56:00 PM
Tim I run 5" brace is at. 6.5"
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Post by: far rider on November 04, 2013, 08:28:00 PM
Ok,

Nearly all on this thread shoot Hill style longbows.

Nearly all on here hunt with their Hill styles.

So, where better to ask this.....

What are your favorite ladder stands that are Hill style friendly? My setups are all 68" or 70".
I've been ground hunting since settling in on the Hill style bow, but where I'm presently hunting isn't very conducive to being on the ground. I need to elevate a wee bit to get my scent up.

I'm looking for a comfortable hammock style seat, or padded, around 10' or 12' height, that won't break my tiny piggy bank.

Many thanks in advance.
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Post by: Knawbone on November 04, 2013, 08:47:00 PM
far rider, I only have one ladder stand and I rarely hunt from it. I am re- considering that now that I don't climb like a Monkey any more. The best ladder stands Iv' seen and hunted from that would be excellent for Hill bow use, are the home made ones. An out dated wooden ladder with a platform braced on top or a complete build is less expensive, quieter, and roomer than a sectional steel ladder stand. Then again weight and ease of use could be a factor.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 04, 2013, 10:22:00 PM
I shoot 5" feathers. Don't have a ladder stand so sorry I have no input
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Post by: Green on November 05, 2013, 04:12:00 AM
Nice leather work Danny.  

3F - 5", either 'nanners or Swifts

   (http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/005-1.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/005-1.jpg.html)
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Post by: Bud B. on November 05, 2013, 07:44:00 AM
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Originally posted by far rider:
Ok,

Nearly all on this thread shoot Hill style longbows.

Nearly all on here hunt with their Hill styles.

So, where better to ask this.....

What are your favorite ladder stands that are Hill style friendly? My setups are all 68" or 70".
I've been ground hunting since settling in on the Hill style bow, but where I'm presently hunting isn't very conducive to being on the ground. I need to elevate a wee bit to get my scent up.

I'm looking for a comfortable hammock style seat, or padded, around 10' or 12' height, that won't break my tiny piggy bank.

Many thanks in advance.
I have two from Dick's Sporting Goods I got on sale, but I trust this one more.

   (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f94/Equismith/stand.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/Equismith/media/stand.jpg.html)

The foot platform is 12 feet high. I holds my 230lbs quite easily. Not an issue using Hill style bows out of either the homemade or store bought. The two from Dick's are their 15' ones with the open front. It's their lowest priced ones. I bought a foam seat pad from  Walmart and all is good. It creaks a little on windy days but the wooden one is quieter than the metal ones.
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Post by: Blaino on November 05, 2013, 08:17:00 AM
x2 with Bud on the Dick's stands.

When the season goes out you can get thoes stands for around $50. That's pretty tough to beat.
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Post by: Charlie Lamb on November 05, 2013, 08:59:00 AM
Any of the ladder stands with side rails will be more convenient without them. Especially on your bowhand side.

When shooting from a sitting position they can interfere if the animal is very close.

I use to dislike ladder stand as being too bulky and easy to see. I changed that attitude years ago and now they are my favorites. I feel much safer climbing up and down.

Commercially made ladder stands have a very minimal appearance and I don't think they bother anything.
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Post by: far rider on November 05, 2013, 09:17:00 AM
I have a small productive wood lot that I have a ground blind setup in, but it seems, that when the wind is blowing, its swirling, and if its calm, my scent pools. I have noticed that on days when the wind is light to calm, the leaves above my head at maybe 10' to 12' are steady. I'm thinking if I can get up just a little bit, I will see more deer. I think either option (factory vs built) will suit. I have seen a few of the stands a Dick's, and they seem to be very reasonably priced.
Thanks guys,
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Post by: bigb3303 on November 05, 2013, 10:24:00 AM
Ok so I ordered me a hill style bow from maddog archery, so I guess the hill bug got me!  :)  I shoot carbons right now, should I swich to wood to have a beter paradox around the bow?
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Post by: Hermon on November 05, 2013, 11:20:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by bigb3303:
Ok so I ordered me a hill style bow from maddog archery, so I guess the hill bug got me!   :)   I shoot carbons right now, should I swich to wood to have a beter paradox around the bow?
Is this a new model for him?  Didn't know he was building a Hill style.  Looking forward to pictures.
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Post by: bigb3303 on November 05, 2013, 11:57:00 AM
No not a new model, that I am away of. He was going to build me the a R/D longbow, and I asked him about "hill style" bows, and he said he could build that for me also, so thats what I chose, So I have a bow for the hog hunt. Says it should be finished before Christmas SO I will post pics as soon as it is! I cant wait.
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Post by: Bud B. on November 05, 2013, 12:18:00 PM
Yep...if Mike goes to building a Hill style I'm in trouble!!

Pics please when you can.
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Post by: Skates on November 06, 2013, 05:28:00 AM
You guys sure are serious.  Might have to get in on an HH.
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on November 06, 2013, 07:37:00 AM
Skates -

Serious is as serious does. Once you go Hill, you won't go back.


   :bigsmyl:
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Post by: bigb3303 on November 06, 2013, 08:30:00 AM
So any advice on using wood over carbon arrows on a hill style bow?
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Post by: Blaino on November 06, 2013, 08:54:00 AM
bigb- any tuned arrow will fly out of a hill bow no matter if it is carbon, aluminum, wood, or cane.... they all work great if tuned to the bow.  Shoot what you want.  I like wood because it's crazy quiet and it feels right to me.
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Post by: bigb3303 on November 06, 2013, 10:10:00 AM
Alright, I have always been a fan off wood, but I like the tuffness of carbons. Thanks for the info! Can I paper tune a hill bow the same as a recurve?
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Post by: far rider on November 06, 2013, 10:50:00 AM
There are many wood options that can give you a "tuff" arrow. You may want to look at Alleghany Arrow Woods,   http://www.arrowwoods.com/index.htm  
Ash, Hickory, and even shafts from purple heart or bloodwood can be found these days giving you a variety of weights and varying degrees of toughness.

Ron La Clair offers ash and hickory I believe, (unsure), as I'm sure other arrow builder sponsors on here.

I'm just saying that if you like woodies, but your timid about their ability to withstand punishment, there are options. Ash is a fine example, plus there are the Surewood shafts that are VERY tuff.

I'm like you, it just feels "more traditional" to use woodies, but I have to tell on myself a little when I say I've shot Gold Tip Traditional in my Wesley and they shoot REALLY good.
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Post by: bicster on November 06, 2013, 05:54:00 PM
I use paper tuning along with the planing method on all of my bows including my Howard Hill.
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Post by: Mike Mecredy on November 06, 2013, 06:04:00 PM
I don't normally make straight limbed bows, but if a customer asks me to I'll try and accommodate what they want if it's with in my capability.

I've only made a few straight longbows.  Most of them have been pup sized longbows that I make for the Howard Hill Birthday giveaways.
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Post by: Overspined on November 06, 2013, 06:37:00 PM
I have carbons that work for 2 Hill bows, and never use them.  It's a mess with all the tinkering with parts, inserts, mounting glue heads on screw threads..ugh.  They are easy to get overspined, and then you are adding 100's of grains up front...nocks don't fit...list goes on IMO.  They are strong and straight though for sure. I also hear lot of nock high issues.  Tractor tires don't agree with them either.

It's so easy, traditional, and great looking to stick to woodies!! Arrow, point, glue, heat. Hardwoods can be a lot more work too..
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Post by: Butch Speer on November 06, 2013, 06:55:00 PM
Once you know what you need for them the carbons are very easy to duplicate. They're easy made, and straight. I find they are very easy to tune and forgiving in spine and comes out of paradox faster which can help with penetration. Not putting down wood arrows. I just don't worry about being "traditional". I want to use what works best. For me.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 06, 2013, 08:21:00 PM
I'm a firm believer in carbons. I do have a couple dozen woodies here that I shoot occasionally but for me its hard to beat the ease of tunning, and endless possibilities with carbons.
I have some as light as 8.5 GPP and just 1/2" longer than my draw and I have some 3" longer than my draw that come in at 12 GPP. I also shoot some that come in right around 10 GPP.  

They are trusty, forgiving, accurate and extremely durable. I love carbons.
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Post by: Bud B. on November 06, 2013, 08:43:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Mike Mecredy:
I don't normally make straight limbed bows, but if a customer asks me to I'll try and accommodate what they want if it's with in my capability.

I've only made a few straight longbows.  Most of them have been pup sized longbows that I make for the Howard Hill Birthday giveaways.
Good to know Mike.

If you have some pics you don't mind sharing I'm sure many of us would love to see them.
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Post by: bigb3303 on November 06, 2013, 08:46:00 PM
I' can't wait to get my bow from mike! He has great customer service btw! I hope to take a hog with it on the hill hunt! Or a squirrel hahah
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Post by: far rider on November 06, 2013, 10:04:00 PM
Once the excitement wears off, snap a few pictures and post them on here. We always like to see new bows!!!
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Post by: Overspined on November 07, 2013, 12:28:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Brianlocal3:
I'm a firm believer in carbons. I do have a couple dozen woodies here that I shoot occasionally but for me its hard to beat the ease of tunning, and endless possibilities with carbons.
I have some as light as 8.5 GPP and just 1/2" longer than my draw and I have some 3" longer than my draw that come in at 12 GPP. I also shoot some that come in right around 10 GPP.  

They are trusty, forgiving, accurate and extremely durable. I love carbons.
I guess if they were that easy to tune for me I'd like carbons more too.  Endless possibilities means endless tuning when I hear it.    :)   They don't seem nearly as forgiving as wood or aluminum from Hill style bows.  One day I think I have a combo tuned, and the next they are kicking again one way or another. Granted, I am a perfectionist.  I'm sure it is an easy fix but I just gave up and went back to wood.  I find it simple and only feel I give up durability when shooting in the woods at 3D as woodies will only take so much...i will say I love carbons from a curve though.
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Post by: Butch Speer on November 07, 2013, 12:15:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Overspined:
 
Quote
Originally posted by Brianlocal3:
I'm a firm believer in carbons. I do have a couple dozen woodies here that I shoot occasionally but for me its hard to beat the ease of tunning, and endless possibilities with carbons.
I have some as light as 8.5 GPP and just 1/2" longer than my draw and I have some 3" longer than my draw that come in at 12 GPP. I also shoot some that come in right around 10 GPP.  

They are trusty, forgiving, accurate and extremely durable. I love carbons.
I guess if they were that easy to tune for me I'd like carbons more too.  Endless possibilities means endless tuning when I hear it.     :)    They don't seem nearly as forgiving as wood or aluminum from Hill style bows.  One day I think I have a combo tuned, and the next they are kicking again one way or another. Granted, I am a perfectionist.  I'm sure it is an easy fix but I just gave up and went back to wood.  I find it simple and only feel I give up durability when shooting in the woods at 3D as woodies will only take so much...i will say I love carbons from a curve though. [/b]
Overspined,
I hear ya. Some people just aren't into tinkering. If I could find straight bamboo at a decent price. That's all I'd ever use.
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Post by: pavan on November 07, 2013, 04:54:00 PM
Nothing messes with me more than shooting arrows that are way over my draw. I keep my broadhead arrows so I draw right to my finger and my blunts are right to my finger on the forward edge. If mix a practice session in with long or out of weight arrows, I will need to practice with broadheads before I go hunting or limit myself to shots less than 20 yards. Besides those cedars I have fly as perfect as anything can get, so what would be the point in loading a quiver full of ten dollar a piece arrows when there are pheasants to be shot at.
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Post by: bsv on November 07, 2013, 06:16:00 PM
Does anyone know if Nate Steen is accepting bow orders? Burt
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Post by: WESTBROOK on November 07, 2013, 06:17:00 PM
Carbons work well and there pretty durable, I know you have to set them up a lot weaker than you think.

But all said and done give me my woodies back, I don't think they are any better but I like them more. If for no other reason than they just go with a Hill style bow.

As far as durability goes, Id like to know how people break wood arrows so easy. I shoot a lot of stumps and such and miss 3D targets as much as the next guy but I rarely break one. I've sent a woody into some horrific crashes and have seen others do the same, but they seem to survive just fine.

And the last reason, as insignificant as it may be, I make my own woodies and manage to get a few that look pretty decent. But you cant dress up a carbon or aluminum arrow, its like putting a gold earing on a hog.

Eric
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Post by: Knawbone on November 07, 2013, 06:35:00 PM
Food for thought! An arrow does not have to be perfectly straight in order to fly well!

 An engine crankshaft turns true on it's axis and so does an arrow. If the ends align and the forward of center is sufficient, a bamboo or other arrow can have great flight as far as accuracy from point a to b. It may not spin or transfer it's energy as sufficiently as a straight arrow, but can make up for it in kinetic energy due to mass. (weight)
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Post by: Rossco7002 on November 07, 2013, 06:44:00 PM
That's an interesting point Dave - I observed that myself when I switched to wood and began tuning.
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Post by: Stefan on November 07, 2013, 06:49:00 PM
Hello,
a few pics of my new bow ,i build up three weeks ago,i love Hill style bows to shoot and build,
5 temp. bamboo lams,black glas on back clear on belly,
wenge grip and
1 indian penny from 1899 overlay,
65lbs at 28" and 27 NtN.
And pics from a new set of arrows i received today from "Snag" ore "wilderness costum arrows",
thats beautyful arrows with a good weight (surewood shaft) with nocktaper.
David is a great craftmen.
  (http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy54/Stefanha/DSCF5432.jpg) (http://s777.photobucket.com/user/Stefanha/media/DSCF5432.jpg.html)
  (http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy54/Stefanha/DSCF5434.jpg) (http://s777.photobucket.com/user/Stefanha/media/DSCF5434.jpg.html)
  (http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy54/Stefanha/DSCF5439.jpg) (http://s777.photobucket.com/user/Stefanha/media/DSCF5439.jpg.html)
  (http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy54/Stefanha/DSCF5431.jpg) (http://s777.photobucket.com/user/Stefanha/media/DSCF5431.jpg.html)
  (http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy54/Stefanha/CameraZOOM-201311082424583261.jpg) (http://s777.photobucket.com/user/Stefanha/media/CameraZOOM-201311082424583261.jpg.html)
  (http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy54/Stefanha/CameraZOOM-201311082425098281.jpg) (http://s777.photobucket.com/user/Stefanha/media/CameraZOOM-201311082425098281.jpg.html)
thanks Stefan
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Post by: Stefan on November 07, 2013, 06:51:00 PM
Oh sorry i mean the bow is 67" long...   :knothead:
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Post by: Knawbone on November 07, 2013, 07:09:00 PM
Nice looking bow Stefan. I like the arrows too. Is that a medallion on the riser of your bow?
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Post by: WESTBROOK on November 07, 2013, 07:22:00 PM
Nice work on the bow Stephan   :thumbsup:

Dave, Indian head penny inlay.

Eric
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Post by: Knawbone on November 07, 2013, 07:27:00 PM
Heads up I take it!.........sweeeeeet!
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Post by: Stefan on November 07, 2013, 07:27:00 PM
Yes from 1899 the birth year of Howard.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 07, 2013, 07:41:00 PM
Absolutely beautiful bow brother!!
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Post by: TJK68 on November 08, 2013, 08:46:00 AM
Beautiful bow, great job.
Tom
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Post by: two4hooking on November 08, 2013, 08:56:00 AM
 (http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr180/two4hooking/carry_zps566bdd55.jpg) (http://s481.photobucket.com/user/two4hooking/media/carry_zps566bdd55.jpg.html)

Sagittarius makes meat from the ground on public land.
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Post by: magnus on November 08, 2013, 09:36:00 AM
Way to go Greg. Congratulations !!!
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Post by: Green on November 08, 2013, 09:45:00 AM
Congrats on that doe 2Fer!  Let's see.....no camo, public land, HH bow, back quiver, white fletched arra's.....uh, can't be done.     :clapper:    :clapper:
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Post by: far rider on November 08, 2013, 09:50:00 AM
Nice doe Greg! Yum, tasty back straps.

Stefan,
That is a sharp Hill Style there. Love the 1899 connection to Hill history. Great idea.

Just an FYI, you can go back and edit your original post using the edit tab at the top you post. Keeps you from having to correct via a new post. Believe me...it is the most used tab I have at my disposal.

FR
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on November 08, 2013, 10:03:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Green:
Congrats on that doe 2Fer!  Let's see.....no camo, public land, HH bow, back quiver, white fletched arra's.....uh, can't be done.      :clapper:      :clapper:  
X2 Great job!
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 08, 2013, 10:37:00 AM
I love the new haversack you made Two4. LOL.
Seriously good job
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Post by: Wannabe1 on November 08, 2013, 01:36:00 PM
Fantastic job on the doe Greg! Congratulations.   :thumbsup:
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Post by: jsweka on November 08, 2013, 03:20:00 PM
Hey Hill Gang - Today was a good day.  I killed my biggest buck ever with a Hill Style bow I made.  This is also the first buck I've killed with a homemade bow.  I certainly didn't make the best of shots, but it was steady blood trail that came to a great conclusion.

 (http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae23/jsweka/Hunting2013/1108130953.jpg)

 (http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae23/jsweka/Hunting2013/1108130949a.jpg)

 (http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae23/jsweka/Hunting2013/1108130950.jpg)
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Post by: Green on November 08, 2013, 03:34:00 PM
Oh man.....what a day in the Hill bow community!  Congrats on a nice buck John, and doubly sweet doing it with your own bow.     :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:
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Post by: centaur on November 08, 2013, 03:38:00 PM
That's a beauty, John. Both the deer and the bow.
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Post by: cahaba on November 08, 2013, 03:45:00 PM
Congrats John on a fine buck.
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Post by: Wannabe1 on November 08, 2013, 04:04:00 PM
Great buck John. Congratulations!
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Post by: TJK68 on November 08, 2013, 04:09:00 PM
Congrats on both deer guys, nice job.
Tom
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Post by: Stefan on November 08, 2013, 04:34:00 PM
Congraits John ,
you are a top bowyer and hunter.
   :thumbsup:
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Post by: two4hooking on November 08, 2013, 04:44:00 PM
SCHAWEEEEET buck!  AND with a homemade Hill bow!  Life is good!
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 08, 2013, 04:45:00 PM
Outstanding work jsweka
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Post by: Owlmagnet on November 08, 2013, 04:49:00 PM
Well done, John!!!  Great buck! Now, how about the story? (I'd love to hear it.)
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Post by: Raminshooter on November 08, 2013, 05:07:00 PM
Very well done, great to see those straight end bows working so well.
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Post by: Knawbone on November 08, 2013, 06:12:00 PM
Very nice John, big congrats on the great buck plus killing it with your own bow. It doesn't get any better than that!   :thumbsup:
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Post by: Irish Archer on November 08, 2013, 06:53:00 PM
Good job Greg. Congrats on that one.
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Post by: Irish Archer on November 08, 2013, 06:55:00 PM
Nice buck John! Good job there.
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Post by: Irish Archer on November 08, 2013, 06:57:00 PM
The deer must reall be moving! Seems to be all across the board.
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Post by: jsweka on November 08, 2013, 08:30:00 PM
Thanks Guys!  OK - quick story since Owlmagnet requested it.....

Last Saturday my brother-in-law (compound shooter, but we won't hold that against him) and I were hunting on a bench along a hillside we knew the deer liked to run.  We were close enough we could see eachother.  First thing in the morning he shoots a doe and I got to witness the whole thing and it dies right under my stand. Cool stuff and much better than watching someone kill a doe on the Outdoor Channel.  

This morning, we were back in there and both of us were in the same trees and he got to watch me in action.  The buck came walking directly at me and I stood up as soon as I saw him.  As he was coming there was a big tree between me and him. I wasn't sure which way he was going to go around it so I wasn't sure which way to turn my body to prepare for the shot.  So he comes out around the side to my left (which is good being a right handed shooter).  Once he presented a shot I took it and I rushed it.  Buck Fever I guess.  I don't remember drawing, just the arrow striking him in front of his shoulder.  I thought OH CRAP and he gimped his way up the Hill and out of site.  I knew I didn't make a good shot and was pretty worried.

After about 45 minutes we got down, took our treestands to the truck, came back and started on the trail to see what the sign told us to do.  There was a lot of blood and it was real steady so I started feeling better about the shot.  But it kept going and going through a clear cut and into a golden rod/sapling thicket.  After about 500 - 600 yards he finally bled out.  I had my nose to the ground searching for blood and my brother-in-law actually saw him lying there dead before I did, but he didn't say anything.  A few more steps and I finally saw him. Man it felt good to find him!!

After pictures and congratulations and such the work started.  When I cleaned him out I found that I did nick the front part of one of his lungs and I think I also hit one of the arteries that run down the front legs.  He was the heaviest deer I dragged and I'm glad I had my hunting partner with me for help.

I'm getting a European skull mount of him and he'll make a nice addition to my man room!

BTW - You can notice some writing on the upper limb of my bow.  That's Ron LaClair's autograph that I acquired a couple years ago at Denton Hill.  Just some added mojo on the bow.

Thanks for reading.
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Post by: far rider on November 08, 2013, 09:07:00 PM
That is far on the North side of way cool John. Great story, nice bow, and a superb buck.
   :thumbsup:
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Post by: Owlmagnet on November 08, 2013, 09:34:00 PM
Great story, John! Thank you very much.
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Post by: Centex on November 08, 2013, 10:48:00 PM
(http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r792/Centex7/image_zps53de6264.jpg)

A picture from tonight's hunt.
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Post by: ron w on November 10, 2013, 09:08:00 PM
I pick up my new to me Wesley special on Tuesday, I'm excited.......   :jumper:
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Post by: nineworlds9 on November 11, 2013, 10:10:00 PM
Lefties,
if you've always wanted a Howard Hill Sirocco, now's your chance.  I just put this up on the classifieds:

  http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=201;t=000346  

Took the bow in as a partial trade.  I felt it was the perfect bow for a Florida boy being nautical themed- teak riser, bamboo lams with center lam of cocobolo, whale baleen tip overlays and marlin inlay, but alas..  Despite the bow being rare and desirable the dished is grip just not for me and I have a new Bama headed my way by the end of the month, so better get this teak riser beauty while you can   ;)
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Post by: Jim Picarelli on November 12, 2013, 08:08:00 AM
Great thread. Just have one thing to add....Hill bows ROCK!!!
  (http://i40.tinypic.com/2mozi8x.jpg)
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Post by: ron w on November 12, 2013, 10:55:00 AM
Got the Wesley Special today.....it's like new. I twisted up a string shot it a few time even as cold as it is. Neat bow, can't wait to take it stump'n.
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Post by: smoke1953 on November 12, 2013, 11:30:00 AM
I  forgot to put this Nov 4th buck  on the HH thread. 68" 60# Northern Mist Classic using ash arrows, single bevel grizzly head 780gr and sitting on a Huntmore chair.
  (http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo306/bhaukom/Agoodday.jpg) (http://s386.photobucket.com/user/bhaukom/media/Agoodday.jpg.html)
  (http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo306/bhaukom/As-we-found-it1.jpg) (http://s386.photobucket.com/user/bhaukom/media/As-we-found-it1.jpg.html)
  (http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo306/bhaukom/Takingtheshot003.jpg) (http://s386.photobucket.com/user/bhaukom/media/Takingtheshot003.jpg.html)
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Post by: Mudd on November 12, 2013, 11:39:00 AM
Smoke that is awesome!!

Congratulations!!!!!

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: centaur on November 12, 2013, 11:40:00 AM
That is a beautiful buck. Way to go!
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Post by: magnus on November 12, 2013, 11:47:00 AM
WOW! That is a nice mature buck. Congratulations!!!
Whst mass on that thing. It's body is huge too. Way to go!
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Post by: ron w on November 12, 2013, 11:53:00 AM
Really nice Smoke........   :thumbsup:
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Post by: smoke1953 on November 12, 2013, 12:17:00 PM
His body was huge with a very long neck. 200# dressed. Probably 5 1/2 yrs. I was more than a little excited but mainly because I had a good double lung hit. The size of the buck was great but I was just in the right place at the right time. I stretched about a minute earlier had that been a minute later bye bye big one. When you make a good shot you celebrate no matter the size. I've had enough that have gone the other way. But for now...Yahoo!!
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Post by: Bob B. on November 12, 2013, 01:12:00 PM
So Bruce ... I guess you just could not hold out for a big one eh?    :thumbsup:   Good grief man that is one hoss of a deer!!  Great job buddy.  I am guessing your ash shaft from the NM bow never even slowed down going through that huge old deer.

Well done buddy!   :archer:  

Bob.
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Post by: smoke1953 on November 12, 2013, 01:35:00 PM
Bob actually 12" of the arrow was showing which concerned me that I might have hit him too high. I have a sneaking suspicion that I may have grazed some brush. but it all worked out this time.
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Post by: Blaino on November 12, 2013, 02:35:00 PM
I was reading a magazine article by Bob Wesley.  He was talking about proper alignment, and said that the string should contact your eyebrow or glasses. I've started doing this and my shooting has improved tremendously!

How many of you fellows do this?
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Post by: two4hooking on November 12, 2013, 02:36:00 PM
SMOKE'n!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Centex on November 12, 2013, 02:37:00 PM
awesome buck
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Post by: Rossco7002 on November 12, 2013, 03:00:00 PM
Blaino - I just switched to doing that myself and I've found it has greatly increased my back tension and (as a result) made for a cleaner release, better alignment and improved accuracy.

I also use the string touching my eyebrow as my 'psycho-trigger' for the shot sequence Joel Turner advocates and it works extremely well.
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Post by: Mudd on November 12, 2013, 04:09:00 PM
JD Berry Morningstar 66" 46@28 Zebra wood riser, brown and white glass with bamboo cores. She is a reverse handle with string follow design.

Meet "The Amazon Queen"

  (http://i.imgur.com/FbANJfW.jpg)[/IMG]

  (http://i.imgur.com/9POkAuI.jpg)

  (http://i.imgur.com/xk4fyyB.jpg)

  (http://i.imgur.com/bKa9X4n.jpg)

  (http://i.imgur.com/NJv0kyU.jpg)

  (http://i.imgur.com/lda8UMQ.jpg)

 Thanks for looking!

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: nineworlds9 on November 12, 2013, 04:53:00 PM
Dang Mudd, that bow is sexay
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Post by: cahaba on November 12, 2013, 05:13:00 PM
Great looking bow Mudd. I just got off the phone with Mr. Berry. I ordered a Vixen.
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Post by: Knawbone on November 12, 2013, 06:00:00 PM
Very nice Mudd,very nice!!
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 12, 2013, 06:25:00 PM
MUDD, that Northstar is stunning!!!
David, the wait will be worth it for sure.
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Post by: Moots on November 12, 2013, 06:34:00 PM
Mudd,
I'm waiting on a Vixen.  I am very interested to hear how you like your Northstar, and how it compared to your Morning Star!
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Post by: Green on November 12, 2013, 06:58:00 PM
Beautiful buck Smoke.....Congrats!

Mudd - you and James have done it again!
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Post by: far rider on November 12, 2013, 07:17:00 PM
Smoke, WOW. What a heavy beamed bruiser. Love the ground setup. Man, way ta go. If I were there I'd have to slap you on the back. Nice.
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Post by: RC on November 12, 2013, 07:50:00 PM
Fine bucks and doe guys. Good job.
  Nice bow Bro Mudd.RC
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on November 13, 2013, 07:57:00 AM
Smoke - nice buck there my friend!

Mudd - That Northstar is special. It is a looker.
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Post by: Hermon on November 13, 2013, 08:59:00 AM
Happy Birthday Howard!
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Post by: Mudd on November 13, 2013, 09:48:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Ric O'Shay:
Smoke - nice buck there my friend!

Mudd - That Northstar is special. It is a looker.
Thanks Danny!!

It feels like a bow that I've been shooting for months already.

I think this match is one I will relish for a long time to come.

I think you might have to wait until you get yours in your hand and fling about 3 arrows before the full depth of what I am so feebly trying to convey will come to you.

Thanks for all the kind words folks!!

I'm still grinning like a possum...lol

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: Mudd on November 13, 2013, 09:53:00 AM
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Originally posted by Hermon:
Happy Birthday Howard!
Thank you Hermon for reminding us.

I think Mr. Hill would be proud of what we're doing here to keep "Hunting the hard way" alive and well.

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: smoke1953 on November 13, 2013, 10:36:00 AM
Thanks also Danny. Got a doe two years ago with Massie bow you sold me. It's nice to give all the bows a workout though.
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Post by: cahaba on November 13, 2013, 12:50:00 PM
I'm going to have to get me one of them Northstar's one day good Lord willing.
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Post by: Owlmagnet on November 13, 2013, 01:04:00 PM
I do not believe in coincidence. Last night I watched, "Hitting 'Em Like Howard Hill", (twice), and followed that with, "The Adventures of Robin Hood", for no particular reason....

This morning, I am reminded it is Howard's birthday....

Life is strange and wonderful.
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Post by: Pat B. on November 13, 2013, 02:25:00 PM
Great buck Smoke !!!  Those NMist's are sure nice.

And Mudd, your new JDB bow is a dandy !
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Post by: far rider on November 13, 2013, 08:09:00 PM
Hey Ron,
How do you like the Wesley?
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Post by: TJK68 on November 13, 2013, 08:27:00 PM
Beautiful bow Mudd.
Smoke, that is a great buck, Congrats!
Tom
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Post by: ron w on November 13, 2013, 08:48:00 PM
So far so good....I think the Wesley and I are going get along real well.
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Post by: far rider on November 15, 2013, 09:32:00 PM
I sure love mine. Been trying to get it bloody this week, but alas, the deer are proving me an idiot.
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Post by: Bud B. on November 15, 2013, 09:42:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by far rider:
I sure love mine. Been trying to get it bloody this week, but alas, the deer are proving me an idiot.
Then here in the Piedmont I must be a bloomin' idiot Tim. They have my number this year, so far.  :mad:
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Post by: far rider on November 15, 2013, 11:17:00 PM
Man Bud....I got made two evenings ago in a new ladder stand. They had my number from the get go.

The next evening I thought, I'll show you. I spent hours circumventing the area to put the sneak into the adjoining bedding area that they emerged from the night prior. Picked a hide that had me totally covered from their direction, only to have them cross a twenty acre pasture dead behind me.

I had no way of closing the distance in an open field, so all I could do was watch them disappear into the woodlot directly under the stand I was in the day prior.

   :banghead:
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Post by: centaur on November 16, 2013, 06:02:00 PM
 (http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac67/peastes/2dd99e5a-fc1d-477e-95d2-1dde0399cf52_zps5d29a0a5.jpg) (http://s886.photobucket.com/user/peastes/media/2dd99e5a-fc1d-477e-95d2-1dde0399cf52_zps5d29a0a5.jpg.html)
Hill Cheetah, 55@28. Let's see some more Hill bow kills.
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Post by: WESTBROOK on November 16, 2013, 06:54:00 PM
Nice goin Pat! Great Buck   :thumbsup:  

Eric
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Post by: Mudd on November 16, 2013, 07:08:00 PM
Awesome Pat!

Is that a whitetail, muley or cross?

I guess it doesn't really matter, it's still a nice buck.

Congratulations!!

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: centaur on November 16, 2013, 07:12:00 PM
Hey Mudd,
He is all whitetail.
Happy Birthday, BTW!
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Post by: far rider on November 16, 2013, 07:40:00 PM
Nice buck Pat. Give us a story. The area around you looks very open, so........?
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Post by: centaur on November 16, 2013, 08:29:00 PM
Related story "long trail, happy ending". The treeline over my left shoulder is where I was hunting. Took the pic where we gutted the deer so we could see the mountains in the background. This is a couple of minutes out of Buffalo. I love living here.
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Post by: far rider on November 16, 2013, 08:34:00 PM
Oh, Okay. Then I did read it! Thanks, heck...I even posted on it! I think I had some of that there Oldtimers Dipmentia stuff, maybe.....uh.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 16, 2013, 09:20:00 PM
great job!!!!
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Post by: cahaba on November 16, 2013, 10:56:00 PM
Great buck. Congrats!
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Post by: Blaino on November 17, 2013, 12:56:00 PM
shot "funky 5pt" on Thursday
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Post by: Mudd on November 17, 2013, 03:57:00 PM
Wohoo  Blaino !!

Congratulations!!

Nice Hill bow burger meat.

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: 3Feathers on November 17, 2013, 04:43:00 PM
Thanks for sharing,kinda cool looking.Good shooting.
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Post by: Rossco7002 on November 17, 2013, 05:02:00 PM
Way to go man! Is that the same bow you brought to the Hog Hunt?
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 17, 2013, 05:32:00 PM
You were on it. Going Fred bear with the red neckerchief a little intermixing of the legends!
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Post by: Blaino on November 17, 2013, 06:31:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Rossco7002:
Way to go man! Is that the same bow you brought to the Hog Hunt?
That's right. Doing my best to be a one bow guy these days. Ya'll don't make it easy though!
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Post by: far rider on November 17, 2013, 06:54:00 PM
Way to go Blaino, love it when the Hills make meat.

Diggin' the hat and threads sir.
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Post by: Ryan Rothhaar on November 17, 2013, 09:31:00 PM
Here's my first buck with a Hill style longbow.  Shot him with my 68 inch 63lb Northern Mist Shelton last Sunday on my place in Missouri.  First deer on my own farm, too.  Story is on a thread titled "Before and after 2013 Missouri buck" or something like that.  2216 and a big Snuffer at 23 yards.  The Shelton is ugly now with some spray on the limbs, but is a beaut underneath - rosewood riser, black back and white belly glass, with the "baraga" locator grip.

R


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Post by: centaur on November 17, 2013, 09:58:00 PM
Very nice, Ryan. Gotta love those Hill style bows for simplicity and effectiveness.
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Post by: Rossco7002 on November 17, 2013, 10:01:00 PM
Nice Blaino! Beware the man of only one bow!

I am truly envious of all you guys that are posting hunting pics while dressed in a plaid shirt and jeans... Temps are well below freezing here and I was hunting in snow a week ago. It's painful - and 7 layers of wool and polypro doesn't make for very easy still hunting with all that bulk....
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Post by: cahaba on November 18, 2013, 05:47:00 AM
Great bucks guys!
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 18, 2013, 08:20:00 AM
Great job. Been some bruisers shot down
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on November 18, 2013, 12:08:00 PM
Been away from the Hill bow stuff for a few days. WOW! trying to catch up. Good shooting guys! Congratulations to all that have posted up their pics.    :clapper:
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Post by: Ron Roehrick on November 18, 2013, 01:26:00 PM
Very nice Ryan a great looking buck. I see Dad taught you well, how is he doing? I bet hes still climbing trees and killing big bucks.
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Post by: smoke1953 on November 18, 2013, 04:08:00 PM
Pat, Blaine and Ryan congrats on shooting with the whisper quiet weapon of choice.  A lot of practice and concentration resulted in great deer to feed the family.
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Post by: far rider on November 18, 2013, 06:13:00 PM
Nice Ryan. I'm gonna have to go back and read your other thread now.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 18, 2013, 07:35:00 PM
Well I have ANOTHER JD Berry vixen heading my way. This time it will have bamboo cores, even though bamboo is my least favorite core material James swears I will like it in his design. Ill post pics when its here!!!
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Post by: Bob B. on November 18, 2013, 07:51:00 PM
Brian ... bamboo!!??!!??!!  Wow, that is trust man!     :scared:    

I believe in JD as well, but how many times have talked about how you do not like bamboo?    :saywhat:   I am dying to hear what you think of this one.  I guess if anyone can make you a boo believer, JD is the man.

Good luck buddy ... post pics with a very complete review!

Bob.
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Post by: Rossco7002 on November 18, 2013, 07:54:00 PM
I second what Bob says - you must place some faith in JD Brian! I hope this bow makes you a convert - boo is just SO sweet.
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Post by: far rider on November 18, 2013, 08:35:00 PM
Just an inquiry Brian, what are your preferred core materials? I have one all yew Hill, but the rest are boo cored. I'm looking to purchase another Hill style, and I'm open minded!

Thanks

Tim
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Post by: Ryan Rothhaar on November 18, 2013, 09:03:00 PM
Ron, yeah he still gets after them - not spending any time in trees anymore at 75 yrs old, but he kills a good'un or two every year from the ground.  He won't shoot anything under 5 1/2 yrs old anymore.

R
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Post by: ron w on November 18, 2013, 09:31:00 PM
Well I got my Wesley a week or 2 ago and I really like it......so one of the offers I had when looking was a Hill Owl, brown glass on the back and Osage on the belly under clear glass, 70" 45# @ 29". I thought on it for a bit and said what the heck..........it gets shipped to me on Wednesday. I'm sucker for brown glass and Osage.....lol!
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Post by: Knawbone on November 18, 2013, 09:44:00 PM
Give us a review on that Owl Ron. Looking forward to what you think of it. Sounds like a really pertty one!
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Post by: Centex on November 18, 2013, 09:44:00 PM
Congrats Ron
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Post by: Knawbone on November 18, 2013, 09:54:00 PM
Ryan, Centaur, Blano, You guys rock. Congrats to some great harvests with the Hill bows. How cool is that? Way.......Man.......Way!! ( don't sound 54 do I ) Oh well, what can I say, I got excited!   :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:
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Post by: jwhitetail on November 18, 2013, 10:46:00 PM
I didn't realize you didn't like the bamboo, Brian.  I would love to hear your take on that.  All of my bows have boo cores but the Taipan... all yew - but she is old - built in 2000.

Just curious. Thanks!
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Post by: jwhitetail on November 18, 2013, 10:48:00 PM
PS nice buck, Blaino!
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Post by: TJK68 on November 18, 2013, 11:09:00 PM
I shot this little guy on Nov. 11th at 4:15 in the evening. He was at 22yards and had a 30 yard recovery. Another kill for my David Miller Old Tom, with a Cedar arrow and a Bear Greenie.
Tom
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 18, 2013, 11:15:00 PM
Bob,
Oh I know we have talked alot about me and the bamboo buzz I'm not found of, but what can I say I'm a Berry holic and ill take any I can fine ha.

Far rider,
My preferred cores are at the top of the list red elm and American elm. Honestly I love the feel of the two action wood cored bows I've owned. Hard rock maple is hard to beat for me just a little plain looking even under colored glass.  I talked James into making my last bow of his (Northstar) with all yew limbs and really like it too.

Me and boo have just never gotten along at the release. Some twangy type feel that I don't get from the wood cored bows. I'm really interested in getting a black walnut cored bow sometime.
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Post by: Bob B. on November 19, 2013, 12:30:00 AM
Brian, I am betting your new Berry bow will be freaking awesome!!  As for me, I have become an Osage fanatic.  My Miller old Sage and the Chuck Jones Osage Royale are just so damn beautiful, and good shooters that feel so good in the hand.  The Osage Royale must not know it is a string follow bow because it flat out launches an arrow and is super quiet ... with the mildest of thumps at the end of the power stroke.  That is with a 5 1/2 inch brace height.  If I use a 6 inch Brace Height, it is nearly dead in the hand.  I am moving from boo to Osage I guess ... who does that?!?!

I look forward to a bow report Brian.  Good on ya buddy.

Bob.
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Post by: bicster on November 19, 2013, 04:40:00 AM
Nice job Tom!
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Post by: Knawbone on November 19, 2013, 04:50:00 AM
Nice job Tom, not always easy killing those WV bucks. Swirling winds make it tough. Congrats   :thumbsup:
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 19, 2013, 08:21:00 AM
Bob,
I have wanted to drive up the street and go try one of Chucks Osage royals , just haven't had the time. Heck I was 2 miles from his shop on Sunday working.

I DID own the HHA crocodile (all Osage) and while it was stunning , it had the most Handshock of any bow I've owned. BUT you and Mudd really like the Osage royal hence my insistence on trying one
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Post by: Mudd on November 19, 2013, 09:02:00 AM
Shhhhhhhhhhs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bob, you and Brian need to stop it!!!!

We should keep some things secret....lol

Chuck Jones might still be coerced with kind words and "dead presidential pictures" printed on green "paper-like" material into building another Osage Royale....lol

If we tell the world what they've been missing out on with the Osage Royale, Chuck will start falling behind on his "builds" because the orders might start pouring in.......lol

When I got mine, I bought it as my "old-age" bow.

It's only 43@28 and also serves as my training bow to keep "my form" where it needs to be so when whatever bow I shoot afterwards is more likely to hit what I want.

   (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01968.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01968.jpg.html)

   (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01963.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01963.jpg.html)

   (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01964.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01964.jpg.html)

   (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01957.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01957.jpg.html)

   (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01962.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01962.jpg.html)

   (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01961.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01961.jpg.html)

  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01965.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01965.jpg.html)

I really hope I have improved in my shooting form since this one was made...lol (click on it)

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God bless,Mudd
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on November 19, 2013, 09:21:00 AM
Osage has been my heart throb wood for quite some time. There is something about that ol' yaller wood that gets to me. Specially when it turns gold.    :thumbsup:
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Post by: Mudd on November 19, 2013, 09:30:00 AM
Danny mine has now aged enough that it's starting to have that "warmth" in it's color that true Osage lovers know so well and love.

I only wish I had the forethought to paste a stencil or two on it so as it aged the image would have been forever visible after the stencil is removed.

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: Bob B. on November 19, 2013, 09:54:00 AM
Hey Mudd, I believe the last time I saw your Royale, it was a lot darker .... not so yellow.  That picture must be a little old eh?

Well I screwed up the other night, I was shooting at a leaf about 15 yards away, and hit it dead center.  Being proud of my self, I figured why not do it again ... I split another beautiful wood arrow!!  Dag-gum I am stupid sometimes!  I am running low and will have to make another dozen or so in a little while.  Anyway, man that Royale really shoots well ... and plenty hard to boot!  

Brian, you should go see Chuck and ask to shoot one of his Royales, they are simply awesome.

Bob.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 19, 2013, 10:23:00 AM
I plan on it once I get back in town for good
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Post by: ChiefStingingArrow on November 19, 2013, 01:57:00 PM
One thing is for sure the Hill bows get it done when it comes to huntin!
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Post by: iohkus on November 19, 2013, 02:17:00 PM
Brian, my last longbow has black walnut cores and I LOVE 'em! Smooth to the utmost!!
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 19, 2013, 03:42:00 PM
Iokus,
Gee thanks alot , do you mind if I give my wife your address when I HAVE to have a bow with black walnut cores. Ha ha.

But seriously thanks for the info. I really want to try one.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 19, 2013, 03:57:00 PM
Also, figured I'd show my assortment of points and a point behind them.
***NOTE**** don't mind the dirty Broadheads. I'm not HUNTING with them in this condition, my BH target is a dirt embankment .
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When you have a set of finely tuned arrows I have found that it gives you quite a bit of leeway with the point weight you can use and this allowing you to adjust for conditions or have the ability to use whats laying around.

In this pic my primary hunting head is the 175 VPAs, but I got a great deal on the no mercys and deltas in the pic. So I now have about a dozen of each which come in around 180-190 grains with the inserts installed. The G5 small game head is 125 grains and the homemade "judo" is 160 grains. ALL of these arrows fly true and to my point of aim.

I contribute this to my arrows being tuned to the middle of the "bell curve" which allows me to do this,

These are for my Berry Northstar and I couldn't be happier!!

Here is the homemade "judo"
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This shot was taken at 45 yds shooting at the corn cob. One arrow is my 175FP the other is a 125 G5.  As you can see it made little difference
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 19, 2013, 03:58:00 PM
Oh and the Bear razor head comes in at 135 grains
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Post by: pavan on November 19, 2013, 05:11:00 PM
I lost a Bear broadhead yesterday afternoon. I took about a 75 yard shot with my yew/bamboo and missed his little head by inches. One of the best shots I ever nearly made, but the arrow is gone. I lost one of my Hill single bevels the day before, I don't know how, but I am one short. I back tracked where I had walked, nothing.  Now I know it should be no big deal and I did get the chance to launch that Bear tipped arrow into the next county, but it is driving me nuts.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 19, 2013, 05:46:00 PM
Pavan, sorry to hear about the lost heads,  heck those greenies cost about 10 dollars a pop now!!!!

I have yet to find a head that flys so true with so many different set ups as the greenie
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Post by: Bob B. on November 19, 2013, 06:33:00 PM
Brian,

I had a long walker from Twotracks that had walnut cores.  Man that bow just flat out shot!  Eventually I got rid of it only because my elbow issues do no like locator griped bows ... Sadly I got rid of that marvelous bow.  If that is not enough, many bowyers, including Dan Tolke love walnut as a bow core wood.

Cool pics of your homemade judo/small game heads.

Bob.
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Post by: Moots on November 19, 2013, 06:47:00 PM
Hi,

Have any of you owned a Kimsha Mattawoman?  If so, how do they stack up next to JD Berry, David Miller etc.

Thanks!
Rob
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Post by: Bowitis on November 19, 2013, 09:17:00 PM
Bob, I think you sold the best bow that you had, when you sold me your "Yew" N.Mist.
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Post by: Overspined on November 19, 2013, 09:53:00 PM
I killed some deer with an all Osage LB. It was my first LB and I didn't know there was any difference at 15 yrs old. You shoot what you can get right? I shot it so much I got tendinitis and eventually got a little older & had some $ and experimenting time, and found other bows with less shock. A LOT less.

Because of that, I have kind of stayed away from deep core LB of all Osage. I'm thinking now that design can have a lot to do with it and I may have to give another a try. I love the dark aged look of Osage or yew.

Great deer everyone!!! I have had a rather rough season getting close to the right deer with the LB. It happens!

I can say with certainty that ground hunting tall grass in ASAT is a great way to go unnoticed by whitetails!  I was 5 or 6 paces from a 2 yr old 8 pt the other day and thought he might join me in my little swail. I could have made that shot blindfolded...I think. The longer bows kind of blend right in too.
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Post by: Bob B. on November 19, 2013, 10:27:00 PM
Overspined, you are correct, the tiller and design of the bow has a lot (LOT) to do with the shock, as well as hand placement on the riser.  My Osage Royale shoots very friendly.  Good Luck deer hunting, ground pounding is the greatest!  

Kevin, Yeah, I miss that bow .. man it smoked an arrow and was so easy on the hand, so quiet ... and the yew with brown glass and rosewood riser ... so sexy!  Why the hell did I sell that bow again?!?!

I am glad you are getting along so well with it.  Send me a hero pic when you two connect on something.  Steve makes a great bow eh?

Bob.
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Post by: RC on November 19, 2013, 10:50:00 PM
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Post by: Linwood Hines on November 19, 2013, 10:56:00 PM
Re walnut cores:  there was a fellow in Powhatan, VA that use to make (laminated) lb's (maybe flatbows instead) of locally sourced black walnut.  That was about the time that my shoulder was blowing up, but the one I shot of his, tho' over my pull abilities then, was darn quick, and shot FLAT.  I wish I could remember his name and contact info - they were beauties! and in a HH style would be just stunning!

Re arrow tuning - HELP!  I've not been able to achieve consistency from all of a dozen arrow shafts (POR & DF), tho' recent DF shafts I've gotten have been the best/most consistent flying shafts I've had the privledge of shooting in 20 years (not to mention a name, but the shaft company's name starts with a S).  Yea, I know that PART of this problem is the nut behind the string....
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Post by: pavan on November 20, 2013, 12:32:00 AM
I notice that I failed to mention that the long shot was at a pheasant that I have jumped three times now.  It seems that the pheasants around here are easier to patern than that big old buck that I have been dancing with this year. He  takes a different route every day and is bedding on land that I do have access.  One more try tomorrow.
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Post by: Bob B. on November 20, 2013, 08:22:00 AM
Good luck Pavan!  I hope we get to see a hero pic real soon.

Bob.
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on November 20, 2013, 08:51:00 AM
OK Brian,

Just so you will know, black walnut cores and forward handle bows go together like donuts and coffee. Here's mine. "Sweet Sue", I've had this bow since April 1992. I let Jim Belcher borrow it a few months back because he now has the original form this bow was made on. After shooting it, even Jim was amazed at the performance. Enjoy...
  (http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/bard9l/IMG_1576.jpg) (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/bard9l/media/IMG_1576.jpg.html)
  (http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/bard9l/IMG_1575.jpg) (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/bard9l/media/IMG_1575.jpg.html)
  (http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/bard9l/IMG_1572.jpg) (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/bard9l/media/IMG_1572.jpg.html)
  (http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/bard9l/IMG_1578.jpg) (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/bard9l/media/IMG_1578.jpg.html)
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 20, 2013, 10:23:00 AM
Danny,
That's a "sweet" looking bow!!!! Thanks for the info. And that was kind of you to let Jim borrow your sweet heart
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Post by: Mudd on November 20, 2013, 10:28:00 AM
RC at 1st glance the way the sun and shadows fall on your deer made me think you had killed one of those Eastern shore Sika deer..lol

Someone please tell me that I'm not just losing it and this photo at a glance this buck could pass for a Sika.

Nice shooting brother!!

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: toddster on November 20, 2013, 10:34:00 AM
That sue is real sweet
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Post by: ron w on November 20, 2013, 11:02:00 AM
I would take Sweet Sue to the dance anytime....lol!   :thumbsup:
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Post by: huntingarcher on November 20, 2013, 11:04:00 AM
Ric O'Shay is that walnut bow made by Jeff Massie?

I have had some of his bows and still have a LongHorn.I saw him about 3 years ago on a hunt in South Tx,he looked like the same ol Jeff and crazy as ever.
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Post by: TJK68 on November 20, 2013, 11:26:00 AM
Nice bow Danny!
Congrats RC on the Buck!  :thumbsup:  
Tom
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Post by: typical2 on November 20, 2013, 02:01:00 PM
RC,
That has to be one of the Killingest bows ever made.  You built some luck into that thing for sure!

Eric
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on November 20, 2013, 02:02:00 PM
huntingarcher - Yes Sir! It was made by Jeff.

Brian - Jim had called me about this bow, because he had received several inquiries about the old, forward handle bows that Jeff was famous for building. Jim wanted to use this one as a model for the new ones he was preparing to build.

Danny
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Post by: pavan on November 20, 2013, 02:10:00 PM
As much fun as deer hunting, pheasant hunting and turkey chasing is suppose to be, my 55 yew has an exciting job to do this winter. I have been given exclusive permission to thin a large thick farm grove of its excessive rabbit problem.  I must be sick, but nothing is more fun to do with a longbow than get into a mess of bunnies.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 20, 2013, 02:15:00 PM
Oh pavan , you poor soul to be burdened with such an unsavory task........
You posted this just to brag didn't you HA HA.

Have fun, I wish I had the opportunity
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Post by: Knawbone on November 20, 2013, 05:19:00 PM
Rick, your kill'n me. I love black walnut as a bow wood and for the obvious beauty of it. The design of the riser on that bow looks really good to my eye. The limbs look fantastic. I haven't shot a reverse handle, but I can imagine there is a very dead in the hand quality to them. Good thing I can't afford to buy another bow right now, because Black Walnut is on my list.Thanks for showing it.
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Post by: Knawbone on November 20, 2013, 05:22:00 PM
RC, congrats on your second buck.
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Post by: lone hunter on November 20, 2013, 05:38:00 PM
Danny, that's a fine looking bow.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: ron w on November 20, 2013, 06:16:00 PM
Knawbone.....next stump shoot you can shot my Northern Mist Whisper.......I think you'll like it! Reverse handle bows are unique!!
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 20, 2013, 06:18:00 PM
Ron,
With friend like you who needs taxes to take your money, you know good and well once he gets the feel of that reverse handle he will have to have one,  I love my reverse handled bows
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Post by: Bud B. on November 20, 2013, 06:27:00 PM
Lots of talk here back and forth. I like the chatter. It means we're carrying on the Hill talk  :) .

Now to add,..... anyone out there know anything about a Hill style bow made by Holmes? I'm thinking Gary Holmes? of the former Shrew variety. I just wanted some input on the Hill styles he made that carry the name Holmes, or is it possible there is another Holmes??

Pics and input appreciated.

Thank you.
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Post by: Moots on November 20, 2013, 07:19:00 PM
Ric,

"Sweet Sue" looks like a keeper!

Rob
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Post by: Centex on November 20, 2013, 08:03:00 PM
Do reverse handles benefit from the increased brace height?
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Post by: ron w on November 20, 2013, 08:30:00 PM
Centex, they seem to not torque in the hand because of the riser out front.....if that makes any sense......lol!
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 20, 2013, 08:45:00 PM
Centex,
Maybe because I don't measure it the way your talking but I ALWAYS measure from the belly side of the shelve to the string for brace so I don't have a different brace on my Morningstar or Northstar than on my vixen or misty dawn.  They all run around 6.5-6.25 BH
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Post by: Knawbone on November 20, 2013, 10:26:00 PM
Thanks Ron, I'll take you up on that. Brian, I already have to have one, and I haven't even shot one yet. The design just makes sense. That black walnut bow of Rick's just sealed the deal!I have a medium reflex deflex with hickory cores and black walnut veneers and BW riser. It is by far one of my favorite bows to shoot for the simple reason I just shoot it well. It has a feel to the shot I get from no other bow. I don't know if it has anything to do with the walnut, but it sure looks good.I love that manly man dark brown wood.I think a reverse handle Hill style with BW cores and veneers would be the perfect next bow. I only have about 10 bows, whats one more! Help!!
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Post by: ron w on November 21, 2013, 11:33:00 AM
My new to me  Hill Owl came to me today. 70" 50#@31", Brown glass on the back 3 lams of boo and Osage on the belly under clear glass. I only got to shoot it a few times before errands had to be taken care of, but it seems to be a real nice shooter. I think this bow is going to see a lot of time in the woods.
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on November 21, 2013, 11:58:00 AM
ron -

Grounds rules here....you are prohibited from talking about or referring to a new to you Hill bow without including any pics!      :bigsmyl:    

Danny
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 21, 2013, 02:16:00 PM
Just checked tracking and my new JD Berry Vixen is in the mail truck riding around town awaiting delivery.........
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Post by: ron w on November 21, 2013, 02:46:00 PM
I'm  a bit tech challenged......I couldn't even get them off my camera let alone post them.   :wavey:
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Post by: Blaino on November 21, 2013, 04:35:00 PM
Any of you Hill shooters shot "The Expedition"?  I think it is made by David Miller since you can reach the page form his website.... Does it shoot well enough to justify the extra price?
I don't understand all the concave/convex stuff   :dunno:
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 21, 2013, 05:42:00 PM
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/null_zpscd67731b.jpg)

The vixen has arrived.  My post will follow
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on November 21, 2013, 06:14:00 PM
Cool Brian.    :thumbsup:
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Post by: Rossco7002 on November 21, 2013, 06:48:00 PM
Blaino - I have an Expedition and it was worth every penny (for me a least). The concave / convex thing refers tho the lams. Rather than being flat ground they have a cross-section like a tape measure and are stacked on top of each other (if that makes sense).

If you have any questions feel free to drop me a PM.

Brian - more pics!
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 21, 2013, 06:52:00 PM
Rossco,
I made a post on the powwow. Full of pics!!
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Post by: Linwood Hines on November 21, 2013, 07:34:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by ron w:
My new to me  Hill Owl came to me today. 70" 50#@31", Brown glass on the back 3 lams of boo and Osage on the belly under clear glass. I only got to shoot it a few times before errands had to be taken care of, but it seems to be a real nice shooter. I think this bow is going to see a lot of time in the woods.
WITHOUT PICS it didn't happen....
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Post by: ron w on November 21, 2013, 07:45:00 PM
Yes it did.....I was there! Plus, as much as I like them they all look pretty much the same!!
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 21, 2013, 08:22:00 PM
Ron
At first glance I'd say most of them look similar but there are those subtle differences that stand out (speaking of same bouwer)
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Post by: far rider on November 21, 2013, 08:33:00 PM
Rossco,
In regards to the convex, concave limbs. Isn't that what put O.L. and the ACS on the map? I thought he patented that design, or am I totally off base?
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Post by: ron w on November 21, 2013, 08:35:00 PM
I know that Brianlocal3......that was just my response to the no photo remark. I'm not tech savy and that's that. Heck my phone is still on the wall......
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Post by: neargeezer on November 21, 2013, 08:38:00 PM
For Ron W,

These aren't great pictures of Ron's Owl, but hopefully they'll keep him out of hot water!

Hope you don't mind Ron.

Terry K.

  (http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad340/dageezer/Howard%20Hill%20Owl/serialnumberampweight.jpg) (http://s949.photobucket.com/user/dageezer/media/Howard%20Hill%20Owl/serialnumberampweight.jpg.html)

  (http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad340/dageezer/Howard%20Hill%20Owl/lamsonriser.jpg) (http://s949.photobucket.com/user/dageezer/media/Howard%20Hill%20Owl/lamsonriser.jpg.html)

  (http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad340/dageezer/Howard%20Hill%20Owl/stringfollowprofile.jpg) (http://s949.photobucket.com/user/dageezer/media/Howard%20Hill%20Owl/stringfollowprofile.jpg.html)

  (http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad340/dageezer/Howard%20Hill%20Owl/toposagelam.jpg) (http://s949.photobucket.com/user/dageezer/media/Howard%20Hill%20Owl/toposagelam.jpg.html)

  (http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad340/dageezer/Howard%20Hill%20Owl/bottomosagelam.jpg) (http://s949.photobucket.com/user/dageezer/media/Howard%20Hill%20Owl/bottomosagelam.jpg.html)

  (http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad340/dageezer/Howard%20Hill%20Owl/strungprofile.jpg) (http://s949.photobucket.com/user/dageezer/media/Howard%20Hill%20Owl/strungprofile.jpg.html)
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 21, 2013, 08:39:00 PM
Ha ha !!!!!  Gotcha Ron. Well enjoy the bow and let us all know about it.

Far rider,
Howard patented the cc/cv before those guys. They altered  it enough to repatened under their design
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 21, 2013, 08:42:00 PM
oh my, that's gorgeous!! I LOVE colored on back clear on belly.......
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Post by: Rossco7002 on November 21, 2013, 08:44:00 PM
Far rider - Brian is correct. The thing that sold me on the Expedition is the fact that it is constructed exactly how Howard made his personal bows. The cc/cv design makes for a faster bow with lighter more rigid limbs.

I'm probably too poor a shot to ever tell a difference like Howard could but I love the nostalgia factor - and it is indeed a very sweet shooter.
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Post by: ron w on November 21, 2013, 09:17:00 PM
Thanks Terry.......I do like it a lot.
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Post by: Knawbone on November 21, 2013, 09:48:00 PM
Rossco, You better send that expedition to a man that can truly unlock it's full potential........Me of course LOL. What is the physical weight of the bow? Is it lighter than a HHA bow?
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 21, 2013, 09:55:00 PM
Ok,
So all the new bows are amazing!!!! Which actually leads me to this......
I knew string material has been covered on the HH part 1 thread BUT the arrival of my newest addition promps this.

I KNOW what James bows shoot like. I mean basically its all I shoot . All of my Berrys have a 14 strand FF+ string. This is the same string I make and use on any and EVERY bow that comes thru my door.

This particular bow came from the previous owner with an 18 strand B50 and just to get some shooting in I strung it up and shot four , yes only FOUR arrows from it before I ripped it off and got to work on building my string for it.  

That string made this beautifully Shoooting bow feel like a mule.  It greatly slowed the bow down and felt like it was a trampoline after release.

So do you shoot b50 or ff? Why? What do you "feel" from each material.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 21, 2013, 09:57:00 PM
Oh so if anyone here wants an 18 strand b50 for a 68" bow send me a pm and ill mail it out to you for a Tradgang Christmas.
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Post by: Rossco7002 on November 21, 2013, 10:11:00 PM
Dave - that is a very generous offer... but I'll pass thanks! ;-)

The bow is lighter in weight than an HHA bow. It is more slightly built with tiny tips, narrow limbs and a short riser section. The CC/CV construction also requires less boo in the limb to hit the desired draw weight so the physical weight of the limbs is reduced.

I may be in my head but I feel like it points faster. I know for certain it makes for a 'soft in the hand bow' which feels GREAT at the loose.

  (http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p485/Ross7002/image_zpse11e4ee1.jpg) (http://s1152.photobucket.com/user/Ross7002/media/image_zpse11e4ee1.jpg.html)

  (http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p485/Ross7002/image_zps9f139eb8.jpg) (http://s1152.photobucket.com/user/Ross7002/media/image_zps9f139eb8.jpg.html)

  (http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p485/Ross7002/image_zps3aea6022.jpg) (http://s1152.photobucket.com/user/Ross7002/media/image_zps3aea6022.jpg.html)

  (http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p485/Ross7002/image_zps6a75a0e6.jpg) (http://s1152.photobucket.com/user/Ross7002/media/image_zps6a75a0e6.jpg.html)
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Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on November 21, 2013, 10:26:00 PM
Nice Bow Ron.

The thing I dont like about about Hill bows is..... They all look the same  :saywhat:
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Post by: Mudd on November 21, 2013, 10:48:00 PM
Am I wrong?

Isn't the only difference between my Miller "Hawk" and the "Expedition" the carbon backing on the  bow?

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: Rossco7002 on November 22, 2013, 06:17:00 AM
Mudd - you are correct. The Expedition is basically a Hawk with a carbon backing and glassed belly.
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Post by: Centex on November 22, 2013, 07:33:00 AM
"The Mistress" is beautiful.
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on November 22, 2013, 08:12:00 AM
far rider -

Regarding your question about O.L. Adcock and his patent about the cc/cv limb; Howard Hill was building his personal glass bows with that design before O.L was even a gleam in his daddy's eye. O.L. claimed to have invented the design, but that has been debunked. I have not read the actual patent, so perhaps someone could tell us if it was the design or the process that was patented.

When Hill started producing his bow to be sold to the public, it took too long and was (at that time) too complicated to mass produce. That is when the flat glass design was utilized in order to cut production time. David Miller builds his cc/cv bows the old fashion way. One at a time.
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Post by: Blaino on November 22, 2013, 08:20:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Mudd:
Am I wrong?

Isn't the only difference between my Miller "Hawk" and the "Expedition" the carbon backing on the  bow?

God bless,Mudd
I don't get into all of the carbon stuff, just wondered if the concave/convex bow really was "all that" must be since that's what Howard used.

Carbon must be an upgrade... from his website:

Glass Model   "The Expedition"
   Three concave-convex tempered bamboo laminations with glass face and backed
combined with hardwood riser. The ultimate big game longbow.

I want another bow  :help:
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Post by: MikeM on November 22, 2013, 08:38:00 AM
As I understand it Dave went to carbon on the Expedition because of the lack of the availability of woven glass that he had originally used.
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Post by: two4hooking on November 22, 2013, 09:27:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Brianlocal3:
Ok,
So all the new bows are amazing!!!! Which actually leads me to this......
I knew string material has been covered on the HH part 1 thread BUT the arrival of my newest addition promps this.

I KNOW what James bows shoot like. I mean basically its all I shoot . All of my Berrys have a 14 strand FF+ string. This is the same string I make and use on any and EVERY bow that comes thru my door.

This particular bow came from the previous owner with an 18 strand B50 and just to get some shooting in I strung it up and shot four , yes only FOUR arrows from it before I ripped it off and got to work on building my string for it.  

That string made this beautifully Shoooting bow feel like a mule.  It greatly slowed the bow down and felt like it was a trampoline after release.

So do you shoot b50 or ff? Why? What do you "feel" from each material.
I prefer a heavy B-50 string.  The biggest factor for me is quietness as I do not use puff balls or silencers.  Schulz stated, a true Hill style bow has no need for silencers when a heavy hunting string - well waxed was used.  I have also found this to be true.

Another reason I like B50 is the feel.  The FF strings I had were ridged feeling.  Like putting extra stress on the whole operation and loud as all get out.  I kinda like the feel of the gentle dampened vibration of the limbs when a well released arrow is on it's way.  It just screams forgiveness.  

Yes, this type of string is not as fast as FF but speed will only help you miss faster.  I think that the B50 is all about forgiveness....perfect for this type of bow.  

Just my 2 cents.
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Post by: Kelly on November 22, 2013, 10:18:00 AM
OL's concave limb is only the last 8-10" at tip end whereas Howard's CC/CV is the whole limb.

Basically, it looks like ((( with each mark representing a bamboo lam. Baboo basically is a hollow tube so when split it naturally has the CC/CV shape.
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Post by: Tinbow on November 22, 2013, 11:27:00 AM
Spoke with Mr. Berry earlier this week. It seems my Misty Dawn is next on the build list !!!!!
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Post by: pavan on November 22, 2013, 11:56:00 AM
2-4-hooking prefers the full sized B50, for my Hill style bows that I have, I have not found a night and day difference by going to fast flights. A touch less vibration and a touch more speed. I tried a few shots with a padded FF on my Schulz, not much advantage at all, maybe just a tick faster. With my other bows I had the benefit of going to a 145 head from a 160 head on the same shafts when I put FFs on them. Not that I was planning on doing that, that is how the strings effected my spine requirement. It seems that some bows get more benefit from FF strings than others.
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Post by: far rider on November 22, 2013, 12:31:00 PM
Thanks Ric and Kelly,
I remembered reading an article when O.L. hit the market with his ACS bow. I just remember (ole memory) them mentioning a patent.
I did not however know about Howard's original bows, nor did I know about David Miller's limbs.

Thanks guys!

I sure have learned a lot about longbows over the last 1050+ pages of chit chat.

What ever happened to Nate? He used to post on here all the time, then he just quit. Anybody know if he's okay? Hope this isn't picking at a scab.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 22, 2013, 12:56:00 PM
Nate is doing fine.  Actually building a St. Jude's bow right now.
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Post by: Blaino on November 22, 2013, 02:09:00 PM
Does anybody know if Nate is taking any bow orders again.  About 2 years ago he said he wasn't.....
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 22, 2013, 02:25:00 PM
He still not taking any.
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Post by: Moots on November 22, 2013, 02:31:00 PM
Nate told me to call back in two years if I'm still interested.  LOL.  Maybe I will.

That "Mistress" is a beauty.
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Post by: pavan on November 22, 2013, 02:38:00 PM
The older one gets, the more annoying wait times for new bows becomes. I guess I will just have make my own lefty Hill style.
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Post by: Kelly on November 22, 2013, 03:39:00 PM
Good bows are worth the wait!
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Post by: Owlmagnet on November 22, 2013, 07:33:00 PM
I miss Nate's participation here. I learned a lot from him.
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Post by: Bob B. on November 24, 2013, 07:15:00 PM
Ok, I go gun deer hunting for two days and find this Hill thread on page 2?  What is going on guys?

So,how about this ...  what is your favorite limb wood core ( not bamboo - wood )?

Bob.
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Post by: Bowitis on November 24, 2013, 07:42:00 PM
I would say "YEW" I bet that's a shocker for you.
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Post by: Bob B. on November 24, 2013, 08:34:00 PM
Kevin,

I am a YEW fanatic as well ... Figured you would be YEW crazy as well ... I am glad that Shelton is working so well for you.

Bob
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 24, 2013, 08:37:00 PM
Red elm for me.
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on November 24, 2013, 08:42:00 PM
I just like that ol' Yeller wood.
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Post by: Charlie Lamb on November 24, 2013, 09:01:00 PM
Been looking for these pictures for a while and finally found them today. Lifted them from the thread I found them in and now they are mine.
The Chuck Adams version...   (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/TX22.jpg)
The one that makes me look as goofy as I really am.   (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/TX21.jpg)
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Post by: Charlie Lamb on November 24, 2013, 09:04:00 PM
And I should add that while I was searching this site for the pictures I found all kinds of really cool old stories that distracted me just a little.
   :goldtooth:
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Post by: Linwood Hines on November 24, 2013, 10:54:00 PM
Gosh, I had no idea they grew so big and gnarly in your neck of the woods.  

The hog is pretty large too.
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Post by: Charlie Lamb on November 24, 2013, 11:01:00 PM
;)
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Post by: Owlmagnet on November 25, 2013, 11:28:00 AM
Mr Lamb, how much do you think that hog weighed? (It looks plenty big to me.) Thanks.
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Post by: Charlie Lamb on November 25, 2013, 11:50:00 AM
Looks are deceiving. It weighed 175# on a beam scale ungutted. There's an aweful lot of 200# boars and bears taken out there that would be shamed by an honest scale.
   ;)  

He had a good thick shield on him and I'm sure that adds to the weight without adding to the bulk.
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Post by: Owlmagnet on November 25, 2013, 12:28:00 PM
Thank you, Mr. Lamb. I fear that I've taken a couple of those "two-hundred pounders", myself...

Mea Culpa.
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Post by: MikeNova on November 25, 2013, 12:29:00 PM
Yew and red elm.....Charlie what bow is that you shot the pig with?
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Post by: far rider on November 25, 2013, 12:48:00 PM
Chuck Adams Version!!!
You kill me Charlie.
   :laughing:
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Post by: Hermon on November 25, 2013, 02:08:00 PM
I wish I had some money to take advantage of this deal...

 http://www.twotracksbow.com/store/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=29850
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Post by: bsv on November 25, 2013, 08:58:00 PM
I recently made a trade with Pokerdaddy for a Echo,can't wait to get it.should be here Wednesday.

Burt
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Post by: Charlie Lamb on November 25, 2013, 09:04:00 PM
Mike,

That's one of my own make longbows. Honduran Rosewood riser, bamboo core, and black belly and back.
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Post by: Hermon on November 25, 2013, 09:42:00 PM
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Originally posted by bsv:
I recently made a trade with Pokerdaddy for a Echo,can't wait to get it.should be here Wednesday.

Burt
I was waiting for him to put that bow up for sale!  Went out of town hunting for the weekend and when I check TG I had missed it already. But like I said before, I don't have any extra money right now. Good pickup.  That bow is gorgeous!

Let us know what you think about it.
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Post by: Nala on November 26, 2013, 03:55:00 PM
Hey,

Quick question.  For someone that wants to buy a Hill bow, which Hill style is the most economical way to go?  Assume USED is not an option.

Thank you for your time.

BD
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 26, 2013, 03:59:00 PM
MOST economical would be a u finish from 7 lakes. He makes it really easy to finish it yourself with a minimal of tools.
Then with value figured in (considering veneers, glass, cores etc options ) JD Berry has a very affordable price without upcharges for options
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Post by: TxAg on November 26, 2013, 07:31:00 PM
I placed an order with Dan for another Super D yesterday. I'll post pics when it gets here...should be around Christmas. Macassar Ebony and Pynma limbs. I went with a straight grip, no leather. I just can't help myself....I love the simplicity and quietness of these style bows  :)
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Post by: Centex on November 26, 2013, 11:36:00 PM
^^^^^ Welcome back to the dark side.
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Post by: Green on November 27, 2013, 06:45:00 AM
Jeff are you serious?     :laughing:  

Can't wait to see your Christmas present!  Had to do some lookin' up on the Pynma......this should be a beautiful bow!
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Post by: TxAg on November 27, 2013, 02:03:00 PM
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Originally posted by Green:
Jeff are you serious?       :laughing:    

Can't wait to see your Christmas present!  Had to do some lookin' up on the Pynma......this should be a beautiful bow!
[/QUOTE

]I'm serious, but I sold some others recently to fund it....plus i won that bet with my wife   ;)  

One or these days I promise I'm gona be a one-bow-guy haha

P.S. I think. I spelled it incorrectly...should be pyinma...little easier to google that way
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Post by: bsv on November 28, 2013, 03:51:00 PM
Hermon,you are SOOOO Right this Echo is one beauty! I shot her a little today but it's only 20degs here today so it was short and SWEET,SWEET, SWEET,I.ll try to get sme pics today. Burt
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Post by: Green on November 28, 2013, 05:27:00 PM
Congrats on the bet, the new bow, and the soon to be new baby!
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Post by: Jacquesbonin on November 30, 2013, 06:44:00 PM
Hill followers, I can't wait till the Schults arrives on monday. 66"65 at28" wish it was about 7 pounds heavier.  Good Hunting everyone.Jacques
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Post by: far rider on November 30, 2013, 07:21:00 PM
:thumbsup:
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Post by: TxAg on November 30, 2013, 07:41:00 PM
I re-read pages 650-850 in the old thread between yesterday and this morning. Haha, it's sooo addicting
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Post by: Green on November 30, 2013, 08:56:00 PM
Having a hard time waiting on the new Toelke Jeff?  Lol.  

Jacques - congrats on snagging the Schulz!
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Post by: GregD on December 01, 2013, 09:18:00 AM
Just read through the John Schulz post and was reminded that one of the kids started making bows again, I remember people were having a hard time getting a hold of him for a while. I've never heard if people got their bows and what they thought of them. Did anyone on here get one? Is he still building them?
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Post by: JohnI on December 01, 2013, 10:36:00 AM
I ordered one and never did receive it.
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Post by: pavan on December 01, 2013, 11:36:00 AM
When Tom was making bows I was with in moments of bringing the check to the post office. Instead, I brought my wife to the hospital. I wrote him and explained the problem.  By the time that I was ready to reorder, he was not making bows.  When Steve started making glassed bows, I called someone that had one of his.  The report was very encouraging.  My first corespondence was prompt and promicing. A month later, when I had the money, I could not get a phone call through and I could not get a responce to any emails.  I had every intention of selling my 64@26 Legend and replacing it with a 55@26 bow, but the lack of communication halted the sale. I had heard that there was a rather serious situation that Steve had at the time. Not completely sure of the details, so I will leave it at that.
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Post by: far rider on December 01, 2013, 12:01:00 PM
Hill collectors might want to check one of those places one goes to buy things. Might be that there is a Howard Hill recurve built by John Schulz up for sale.

Tim
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 01, 2013, 06:26:00 PM
Well since James of JD Berry Archery is computer challenged :)I get the privilege of posting this..........
  (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/null_zpsc112959c.jpg)

James shot this beautiful buck today, shooting a 66" 54@28 Morningstar. All day sit, with nothing showing itself untill this beaut appeared,  10 yard shot, but the buck was about 30 feet or so straight below in the bottom of a little ravine, perfect shot with an easy 100 yard recovery. Quick ,clean kill.  Shooting cedars tipped with Bear razor heads.

(I paraphrased the story as relayed by James)
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Post by: Bud B. on December 01, 2013, 06:32:00 PM
WOW!
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Post by: Mudd on December 01, 2013, 07:49:00 PM
Congratulations JD.

You're welcome for the addition of the mojo I added to your bow...lol

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: TxAg on December 01, 2013, 08:00:00 PM
^^^ that's a great pic. Congrats to James
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Post by: Moots on December 01, 2013, 08:38:00 PM
Congratulations James, and nice picture!

I'm next up with James for a North Star.  Originally I was going to get a Vixen, but I shot BHall's Morning Star and liked the reverse handle.
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Post by: far rider on December 01, 2013, 08:44:00 PM
Nice Buck.....great pic!

Tim
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Post by: Irish Archer on December 01, 2013, 08:49:00 PM
Really nice buck, James.........congrats.....love the photo!
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Post by: akbowbender on December 01, 2013, 09:26:00 PM
Beautiful buck, James...Congrats!
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Post by: moebow on December 01, 2013, 10:55:00 PM
Wonderful buck James.  No wonder my two new bows aren't in process.   :clapper:    :clapper:  

For a buck like that I will wait!

Arne
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Post by: jwhitetail on December 01, 2013, 11:24:00 PM
WOW!  That's a beauty!  Glad you got him today... temp is supposed to drop into the teens this later this week - Brrrr.  

Congrats and good pic.  Also, glad you got away from the band saw, belt sander and spray room to get out and hunt!  Very important to keeping it real and keeping those great bows great!

I'll be looking forward to some pepperoni!  LOL
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Post by: Pat B. on December 01, 2013, 11:28:00 PM
Way to go James !

Looking good there...
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Post by: cahaba on December 01, 2013, 11:33:00 PM
Congrats James.
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Post by: lone hunter on December 02, 2013, 09:39:00 AM
Good on ya James, that's a dandy buck. I can wait for the call along with Moebow when I see a picture like that.
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on December 02, 2013, 01:37:00 PM
Just got off the phone with James. He told me about this pic and the buck. Nice looking buck, but if it will fit me, I gotta talk him out of his hat!    :bigsmyl:
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 02, 2013, 03:08:00 PM
Sorry Danny, I already called dibs on the hat.  :)  but James said something about I'd need a shovel, a strong back and some midnight hours to get the hat from where he'd be taking it LOL
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Post by: pavan on December 02, 2013, 04:03:00 PM
That Morningstar looks good in the field. I was going to sell off my right handers, since I have decided that my right fingers react badly to right hand shooting. Parting with my favorite yew/bamboo and my 64@26&1/4" Schulz Legend is a hard choice, but a lefty Morningstar would be a good replacement. However, heading out hunting this afternoon a flatbed semi with a bunch of stones and gravel on it did about $2000 damage to my car with a softball sized rock. He did not stop and I lost him in traffic. Some years a guy just cannot win.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 02, 2013, 04:24:00 PM
Sorry to hear of the bad luck pavan. I too have had that happen, and it always seems to be around Christmas
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Post by: smoke1953 on December 02, 2013, 05:10:00 PM
Really nice James!
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Post by: TJK68 on December 02, 2013, 06:10:00 PM
Great buck James, Beautiful!
Tom
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Post by: pavan on December 02, 2013, 07:29:00 PM
I would post my longbows that I have in the classifieds, but my computer browser keeps locking up between windows. Can a Schulz longbow shoot an arrow farther than I can throw a PC?
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 02, 2013, 07:51:00 PM
Well pavan, that depends if you get to full draw or not lol
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Post by: Blaino on December 02, 2013, 08:05:00 PM
What a stud James! Congrats!!
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Post by: pavan on December 03, 2013, 09:30:00 PM
So then, how long will I have to wait for a new JD Berry?
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Post by: Centex on December 03, 2013, 10:55:00 PM
I believe it was 12 weeks last I called.
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Post by: 2treks on December 04, 2013, 09:29:00 AM
That's a dandy Buck James.
The bow and the hat are cool too!

Congratulations.
CTT
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Post by: JDBerry on December 04, 2013, 12:38:00 PM
Thanks guys, Ordered 1 dz. new arrows a few weeks back from Wildness Custom Arrows, Sika Spruce, pale yellow crown, yellow bar hen feathers, Gray bar cox feather. Red and black crest. Yellow nock. 11/32 parrell, Cut @ 29". Forgot to ask  about left or right wing, Hope they come in left. What are some of your likes on arrows? ....James
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Post by: moebow on December 04, 2013, 12:50:00 PM
Hi James,

I have been a BIG fan of Sitka Spruce and Douglas Fir shafts for about 20 years now.  Sitka is lighter (like POC) and Doug Fir much heavier (for hunting).

Both are much tougher than POC IMO.

Arne
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Post by: JDBerry on December 04, 2013, 03:46:00 PM
Had a dz. Sitka years back, Really loved them, You can see the life in them in flight, got a dz. Sitka in the arrow rack (50/55) a friend made for me in ST. Louis, Trouble is ,no crown!! HOW CAN YOU SHOOT A ARROW WITH CROWN!!!! ..LOL.   Never cared much for fir, But someone got to buy them, I will leave that up to the other guy ( like you Moe)...LOL   ...James
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Post by: 2treks on December 04, 2013, 04:20:00 PM
JD,
Poplar, birch and spruce. No particular order.

cedar and fir is good.

Making up a half dz poplar now.
Stay tuned for pics
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Post by: JDBerry on December 04, 2013, 06:53:00 PM
Looking forward o seeing them chuck. Why do you like poplar? I have never tried them.....James
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Post by: pavan on December 04, 2013, 07:30:00 PM
I just talked to Mr. Berry for a couple of hours. Sometime next spring I am going to show you some pics of a dandy Morningstar.
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Post by: Blaino on December 04, 2013, 08:04:00 PM
I love the fir from surewood. My Hill takes 75-80 11/32 tapered to 5/16 with 160g Grizzly on the killing end. I plan on staying with surewood for as long they make 'em.
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Post by: pavan on December 04, 2013, 08:48:00 PM
It is possible to get tapered cedars that are heavy for their spine. They are a bit hard to come by, so I really appreciate it that so many are going to fir and spruce shafts.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 04, 2013, 09:03:00 PM
Well , I'm a carbon fan myself.  

Pavan, the wait will be well worth it, I look forward to the pics for sure.  I'm personally a huge fan of the JD Berry reverse handles
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Post by: 2treks on December 04, 2013, 09:07:00 PM
JD, I like the way it feel out of the bow, it had decent weight and is tuff. Kinda like Sitka Spruce I guess.

I need to pick up some paint for my cap and crown tomorrow when I head to town, then I can start to fletch em up. I'll show ya some Pics
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Post by: akbowbender on December 04, 2013, 10:11:00 PM
James,

Make sure to post some photos of your arrows.

I have a couple dozen Sitka Spruce shafts on the way. Make great arrows. Will probably back taper them as I have a mess of 5/16" nocks I need to use up. Except for seven DF that I use for moose hunting, they are all I shoot out of my Hill style bows. My Misty Dawn especially likes 'em!
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Post by: JDBerry on December 05, 2013, 12:12:00 AM
That's a good one Pavan, glad to see Im helping with you finding better arrow stuff..LOL...jAMES
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on December 05, 2013, 08:37:00 AM
I have been shooting hexpine laminated shafting and have had reasonably good results. They are heavier that cedar or even DF shafts, but are a little finicky about straightness and that is surprising to me. They don't readily take to stain like other woods, but are tough.
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Post by: Pat B. on December 05, 2013, 08:54:00 AM
Good shafting is as easy as picking up the phone and calling Big Jim..  Can you say "blems", lol.
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Post by: pavan on December 05, 2013, 09:40:00 AM
I tried the hexpines, I found that they needed considerable heat to take the bends out of them. A couple of mine got a long curvy look. Once they were straight, they stayed that way. I liked the weight, but I found that they liked a stiffer bow than the bow that they were supposed to. I think perhaps their recovery rate may have been a bit slower than tapered cedars, it was close. If I were to make a set for someone's Hill longbow, I would go down 5 pounds from cedars.
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Post by: far rider on December 05, 2013, 10:05:00 AM
Okay guys and (gals! I always feel like Kathy is watching)
Since the subject  has turned to arrows, I would love some good old fashioned schoolology (read; opinions)for a set of arrows for the upcoming Hill Gang Hog hunt and extravaganza in Gawga!
My set up is as follows: 68" Hill Wesley
                         Braced: 6 3/4"
                         55#@30
I'm currently flinging full length cedars that were marked (I do not own a spine tester) 60-65 spine and Zwickey 145 2 blades up front. They fly just okay, although they do hit straight (just never where I want them to)

What I want is something much heavier than the cedars, and pushing a set of 225gr Tuffheads.
What I do have to add is that I have a set of 55-75 Traditional GT with 125gr fields up front and they fly great.

I'm open to anything wood: Poplar, Ash, Hickory, Surewood, Spruce, as long as they fly great and hold up reasonably well.

Okay...what ya got?

As always, thanks in advance,

Tim
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Post by: pavan on December 05, 2013, 10:24:00 AM
If you are shooting a FF string and are getting a release that over 29" at the point when the string leaves your finger tips. Your cedar arrows are too light a spine at that length, assuming full length means 32" shaft before the point is applied. I would suggest the Byron Ferguson shafts, unless you have the time and patience to try a few firs.  I would get some sample shafts that are stiffer, add that broadhead, go for a minimum length fir shaft to match your draw and see which spine does best for you. You may still end up with carbons.
However, if your release point, where the string leaves your finger tips, is shorter than you think, try a lighter spined, shorter shaft.
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Post by: far rider on December 05, 2013, 12:40:00 PM
Well, as far as draw, my consistency isn't the best right now as I'm trying to develope the Schulz swing draw method which is a lot different than the standing push pull....something I was doing. In other words, my form was all over the place. I would say my draw when things are right and I have good back tension is a minimum 29-30. I have had my wife mark an uncut arrow for me when I was at full draw, and it was pretty close to 31". My bow was set up by Craig for 55#@30 1/2". Therefore, I just put a taper on my arrows and install the points.

I feel like when my form settles down, I'll be somewhere between 29 and 30 (probably closer to 30), but probably not over it. I'm a shade over 6'3" and I have orangutan arms.

Unless I absolutely have to do it, I'm trying to avoid carbon or aluminum. Nothing against those who like them, I'm just a wood guy.  

I have some 23/64 75-80s, and also some 11/32 80-85s that I purchased after trying Stu's calculator. That didn't work out so well with my Hills. Would either of these heavy spined arrows work better with the heavy 225gr broads since I last tried the 75-80s with 145gr up front?

I realize I can just go try them, but I'm just trying glean some wisdom from the Gurus on here to avoid buying 10 sets of incredibly expensive arrows to find a starting point.

Rose City offers a test kit starting at 50-70
                                    and 60-80

I'm gathering that the latter would be the best kit to try.

Thanks,

Tim
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 05, 2013, 01:40:00 PM
Not so much arrow related but kinda...far rider, if you are workig on form, and a whole new style at that, you are chasing your tail a litte trying to pin point good shafting.
I think Shultz and hill both recomend not worrying about arrow impact point or even flight at this point. You are changing alot right now, and if you adapt the bent arm like thy suggest you may very well nock off an inch or more draw.
If you REALLY want to learn the swing and utilize it to its fullest (something I cannot do so I shoot more static) them just focus on the swing draw right now
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Post by: RC on December 05, 2013, 02:37:00 PM
 (http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/IMG_0248_1_zpsed586006.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/rcswampbucket/media/IMG_0248_1_zpsed586006.jpg.html)
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Post by: pavan on December 05, 2013, 04:31:00 PM
What was Hills arm spread? Whatever we read once, when we measured my son's arm spread it was one half inch less. According to my son that accounts for his one quarter inch shorter draw with the same bent arm. I believe that it was 76 inches. My son is well over 6 feet and he shoots 28 inches. If you could watch how tight he groups arrows at 30 yards, you would want to copy some of that. At this point in your form development, I would not worry about where the arrows are hitting.  However, and this can be a tough one, it is extremely helpful if you have someone watch your arrow flight for you. A wood shaft out of Hill will first bend into the bow on release, then snake around the bow as it passes it. If you have a DVD of Hill shooting watch it super slow stop mode, you catch the arrow bending in. It make perfect that it needs to do that because the bow is not center shot and the string drives the arrow straight into the center of the bow, pushing on the arrow before it get moving. If the arrow is too stiff there is the tendency for the arrow to skate off the bow instead of going around it. Those arrows you already have may be flying just right. there may be other things you can do tuning wise to get better arrow flight. Like raise your knocking point to 3/16 inch above level, nocking under the arrow; give yourself a higher brace; turn you cock feather into the bow; bend your left arm and try for solid follow through at a shorter draw. Then have someon else watch the arrow flight as it comes off the bow. If the arrow did not miss the target and hit your garage, it was a good test.
In any case, I would try to get your form stabilized first, then find what your draw length is in the shooting process, not just drawing the bow and marking an arrow. You can put marks on an arrow of different colors, than have someone watch and tell you which mark you drew to when you shoot. It is possibly different than the static measure that you are getting now.
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Post by: Kelly on December 05, 2013, 04:46:00 PM
far rider;

Nate Steen of Sunset Hill bows is same height as you and his true draw is just a tad over 27". Speaking of which your true draw( the draw length when you are actually concentrating on shooting and not just drawing the bow back to see how for you draw it) may/will be much shorter than you think. Only way to find this is have someone watch you while you are shooting-all you think about is form and shooting. Then after several arrows like 10 or more have that person tell you how much of the arrow is sticking out in front of your bow and that is your true draw.

That said, right now since you are working on the Hill/Schulz form do not pay any attention to your draw for quite some time. Then find some heavy field points to match those broadheads and put them on those 75# spined arrows and shoot them. If they do not work then find soem lighter points for those 60# spine arrows to see if that helps.

I'm guessing that when you find your true draw length and have arrows made according to that you will be somewhere in between those spines.
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Post by: M60gunner on December 05, 2013, 05:32:00 PM
What Kelly says x2. I used to cut my arrows to 29in but now only 28 1/2 as I was told I had to much arrow hanging out.
Far rider, I have had a similar experience this past week end with carbon arrows. Used one of my 500 spine carbon out of my Pete George longbow. I was surprised at how well it flew. My hand and wrist did not like it much.
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Post by: Owlmagnet on December 05, 2013, 06:03:00 PM
While on the subject of arrows, I am currently working my way through 4 dozen raw ash shafts I nearly forgot I had. After 14 months in Arizona's low humidity, needless to say, our local climate has not been kind to them! Simple hand bending was useless. Since I was not inclined to use compression, (I intend to barrel taper these shafts), it was time to break out the heat.

Since I don't own a heatgun--and lack the necessary courage to appropriate my wife's hair drier--I tried to find something other than a propane torch or burning all the hair off my arms over the kitchen stove.  I did.

I have a couple of Alladin kerosene lamps that I use during power outages. I discovered that the tall glass chimney can really focus heat where you need it, rather than trying to heat the whole shaft. I straightened some shafts that I could not, using normal methods, reasonably expect to save. Heat WORKS!! Compared to a normal shaft, get an area of that shaft almost too hot to work with bare hands, and you can suddenly work it like a wet noodle! Bends were pretty easy. Slight kinks were tougher, but to my pleasant surprise, I think I did OK.

I will almost certainly straighten them another time, or two, before I taper them, but I am confident that almost every one of them is going to fly.

My thanks to several Tradgangers,(those who no longer appear on this forum, and those who do), who have taught me, over the years, more than I ever expected to learn about arrow woods and arrow smithing. I am in your debt.
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Post by: Rossco7002 on December 05, 2013, 07:26:00 PM
Far Rider,

I would go with the heavier spined arrows you already have and just experiment with point weight til you set up is flying well for you. The 60-65s would likely be way weak if your drawing a true 30+.

As per Brian's comment use what you've got til you settle into your new form as you'll tie yourself in knots working on new arrows and a new shooting style at the same time. That's some very sound advice he's giving and I wish I'd heard it a while back myself! Lol
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Post by: far rider on December 05, 2013, 07:32:00 PM
Okay guy,
I appreciate all of the input on it. Point of interest though, regardless of type of draw (swing vs static or push pull), IF your griping the Hill properly, and drawing to you natural anchor....wouldn't the draw length be the same?  

I do appreciate all of your inputs.

Tim
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 05, 2013, 07:38:00 PM
Basic assumption is yes.... But my shooting partner draws 30" with a Ferguson type draw and shot sequence ( how I shoot) , but he is trying to adjust this form a touch without over expanding and maintaining a compressed form while keeping a good "T" alignment and his draw is 28" on the dot and still out shooting most.  By compressing and locking and keeping rock solid form his draw has shrunk.
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Post by: Overspined on December 05, 2013, 07:51:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:
What was Hills arm spread? Whatever we read once, when we measured my son's arm spread it was one half inch less. According to my son that accounts for his one quarter inch shorter draw with the same bent arm. I believe that it was 76 inches. My son is well over 6 feet and he shoots 28 inches. If you could watch how tight he groups arrows at 30 yards, you would want to copy some of that. At this point in your form development, I would not worry about where the arrows are hitting.  However, and this can be a tough one, it is extremely helpful if you have someone watch your arrow flight for you. A wood shaft out of Hill will first bend into the bow on release, then snake around the bow as it passes it. If you have a DVD of Hill shooting watch it super slow stop mode, you catch the arrow bending in. It make perfect that it needs to do that because the bow is not center shot and the string drives the arrow straight into the center of the bow, pushing on the arrow before it get moving. If the arrow is too stiff there is the tendency for the arrow to skate off the bow instead of going around it. Those arrows you already have may be flying just right. there may be other things you can do tuning wise to get better arrow flight. Like raise your knocking point to 3/16 inch above level, nocking under the arrow; give yourself a higher brace; turn you cock feather into the bow; bend your left arm and try for solid follow through at a shorter draw. Then have someon else watch the arrow flight as it comes off the bow. If the arrow did not miss the target and hit your garage, it was a good test.
In any case, I would try to get your form stabilized first, then find what your draw length is in the shooting process, not just drawing the bow and marking an arrow. You can put marks on an arrow of different colors, than have someone watch and tell you which mark you drew to when you shoot. It is possibly different than the static measure that you are getting now.
These are some solid pointers!  I shoot RH & RW cock feather in, nock arrow over nock point, worry about form and not draw length or speed.  You can make adjustments later but consistency is key. Adjust point weight... Nocking under the nock point and too low of a brace height MAY cause erratic flight. My local trad shop owner said 80% of his fixes for people to fix their bad arrow flight is raising the brace height after the string got shot in.  That's it.   A few twists and WOW it's shooting great again!
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Post by: Jim Picarelli on December 06, 2013, 12:49:00 PM
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Originally posted by Rossco7002:
Far Rider,

I would go with the heavier spined arrows you already have and just experiment with point weight til you set up is flying well for you. The 60-65s would likely be way weak if your drawing a true 30+.

As per Brian's comment use what you've got til you settle into your new form as you'll tie yourself in knots working on new arrows and a new shooting style at the same time. That's some very sound advice he's giving and I wish I'd heard it a while back myself! Lol
Agreed. The 5575's are more in line spine-wise with the 75-80 woods you have. The big difference is the smaller diameter of the GT's...putting the shaft closer to center. With the right point weight, you could get those 23/64's to tune
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Post by: bicster on December 06, 2013, 06:41:00 PM
Jim,
I am glad you mentioned the diameter of the arrows changing how close to center. I have mentioned this before and never seemed to get anyone to agree with me. I have found this to make a difference to me.
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Post by: katman on December 06, 2013, 07:16:00 PM
HELP, I have been bit by the infamous hill bow bug, just got on James list for a morning star. It has been some 40 years since I had one, guess the disease was dormant for a while.
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Post by: David Mitchell on December 06, 2013, 08:21:00 PM
Hmmmm, seems that this thread has seen several bowyers become the bowyer du jour for a while.  Now James is sure getting lots of press.  Howard Hill was getting lots of action for a while, then it was Dave Johnson, now nobody mentions Dave then Sunset Hills ran hot for a bit.  Does this thing run in cycles? Anybody want to guess who'll be the next hot hand on here?     :confused:
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Post by: katman on December 06, 2013, 10:46:00 PM
Don't give me any ideas David.  I may have been bitten but for now one bow at a time. lol

I am sure they are all very fine bowyers making excellent products. Good for us. Just wanted to try a forward handle and talked with James first.

Can someone list the bowyers making these style bows to help feed this addiction?
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Post by: Rossco7002 on December 06, 2013, 10:51:00 PM
I had observed the same thing myself Dave! Lol. I think we're lucky to have so many Hill style bowyers to choose from and when one of them hits critical mass it can seem like they're springing up everywhere.

For me, Dave Miller is The Man and I love a nice, gently used Schulz - no doubt. Having said that, JD Berry's bows look like they embody a number of the characteristics that I like to see in a Hill bow: tiny limb tips, narrow / deep limb cross-section, short riser with a deep grip and gentle dish. I can see the appeal.

If anyone has shot both a Berry and a Miller bow I'd be very interested to hear a comparison....
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Post by: pavan on December 06, 2013, 10:52:00 PM
katman, NO BUTTING IN LINE. I thought about it for a long time and settled on the morning star myself. I have other bows, but I plan on trying to wear that one out.
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Post by: far rider on December 07, 2013, 01:45:00 AM
Mudd is your go to guy for the comparison. He owns both presently...and a good many others as well. I'm sure he'll jump in here shortly.
As far as what gets hot next...I think the wait times are influencing that a lot. Craig at HHA is about 4-6 weeks out right now, and that's the longest I've heard from him. Dave is what...a year? Nate.....two years minimum if he'll put you on the list. I'm not sure what James' wait time is but I think Steve at Northern Mist is about the same as Craig. I would expect him to get hot next.

$.02 worth...I probably owe you change.

Tim
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Post by: pavan on December 07, 2013, 02:25:00 AM
James told me sometime before next deer season, or 4 or 5 months. But with winter taking off like it has and if it doesn't back off, I would dare to add a month to that.
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Post by: Jacquesbonin on December 07, 2013, 02:36:00 AM
Well Gang, here is the skinny on the diameter of wood arrows. A 23/64th's shaft that spines 55 and flyes great out of your bow, when you reduce the diameter to 11/32nd's the shaft's spine woud have to be increased by the percentage you reduce then diameter, in this case roughly 6 to 7 pounds to get the same arrow alignment as you were getting with the 23/64th's shaft. Now when reducing the diameter to 5/16th's shaft the poundage would have to increase 10 to 12 pounds. There is an inherent problem with shooting the smaller diameter shafts, they weigh less, you will see increased,handshock or bump! Good luck Gang! Jacques
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Post by: katman on December 07, 2013, 05:06:00 AM
But pavan , got to have my fix man. I need it bad.
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Post by: Rossco7002 on December 07, 2013, 08:14:00 AM
Dave Miller's wait time depends on the bow. 8 -12 weeks for an Old Tom (which is very similar to Schulz's glassed bows and a fine shooter) the others are all 1 year.

I've got an Old Tom due sometime over the Christmas / New Year period. It'll be my second one and also my third Miller with the other being an Expedition. I love them!

I also have a brown glass Schulz which is a phenomenal shooter and did have one of his all bamboo Granpa.
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Post by: pavan on December 07, 2013, 12:35:00 PM
Jacques I have some 11/32 tapered cedars that are real heavy for the spine, bare shaft weight 470 grains. I wish I could get more. The Legend get there yet?
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Post by: cahaba on December 07, 2013, 01:47:00 PM
I have a Northern Mist Shelton that is a very good shooter.
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Post by: far rider on December 08, 2013, 11:26:00 AM
Thanks guys,
I see some really good starting points here.
Form first.
Draw second.
Bow tune third.
Arrow tune forth.

I think I'll grab some field points in the same weight as the broadheads and put them on the heavier spined 23/64s and try those after my form settles down. Been raining for three days here, and I'll be out of town for the next three days (darn work)but I'll get on it ASAP. One thing for sure, I'm going to require a LARGE backstop. I will try to talk my son into videoing me as I presently shoot...with some marked arrows. Then I'll I'll post a link and wait for the constructive critiques.

I also spoke with a few other guys about it, and they're saying the same thing, and I may shorten my bow to a 66 or 67" and get away from the 68 and 70" bows I shoot now.

As always, thanks for the info, and standby for more questions.

Tim
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Post by: Blaino on December 08, 2013, 12:46:00 PM
If you don't want to let those 68-70" bows get dusty I know a guy south of you that likes long longbows.   :wavey:
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Post by: Kelly on December 08, 2013, 12:47:00 PM
Longer bows create smoothness of draw-smoothness of draw creates longer true draw length-longer true draw length creates better form-better form creates better accuracy.

That said, the above is all relative to each individual archer/bow combination.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 08, 2013, 04:54:00 PM
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Originally posted by Rossco7002:
I had observed the same thing myself Dave! Lol. I think we're lucky to have so many Hill style bowyers to choose from and when one of them hits critical mass it can seem like they're springing up everywhere.

For me, Dave Miller is The Man and I love a nice, gently used Schulz - no doubt. Having said that, JD Berry's bows look like they embody a number of the characteristics that I like to see in a Hill bow: tiny limb tips, narrow / deep limb cross-section, short riser with a deep grip and gentle dish. I can see the appeal.


If anyone has shot both a Berry and a Miller bow I'd be very interested to hear a comparison....
Rossco,
Having owned an old Tom and multiple Berrys I can say this much...when you get to the top of the game, and make no mistake they are both at the top alot of it then becomes personal preference of the shooter. For me personally, as is obvious , ill take a Berry over any other bow. Reason being is the level of refinement I find in James work and the little details. Shooting wise I feel the Berrys are gentler and seem to perform better pound for pound BUT again it boils down to fit for the shooter.

James limbs are comming in right at 1" at the fades ns 3/8-7/16" at the tips, I love the swoops and that beautiful trap on the belly.  There is also not a straight line in James work, everything has a nice classy curve to it.

I liked my old tom alot, nothing I could complain about , it just did not steal my heart and should like my Berrys.

If you where to look hard at your Millers , there would be something that just "JUMPS" out at you that is just breathtaking or the way it sits in your hand. Something about Millers work has entranced you. And it's an amazing feeling when you pick up a bow that speaks to you
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Post by: R.V.T.B. on December 08, 2013, 08:26:00 PM
Far Rider, I shoot almost the same set up as you do.  My Hills are 68" long and are 55-59 pounds at my 29 inch draw.  I shoot 30.5 inch Surewood Douglas Fir shafts spined 65-70 with 160 grain points up front.  My arows come in at 590-630 grains finished, depending on what set I pick up. My Hills are quiet and tame with these arrows and they fly like a laser.  Not a wiggle. Shooting that bow weight and arrow weight, I rarely leave an arrow in a deer.
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Post by: Rossco7002 on December 08, 2013, 08:49:00 PM
Thanks for the insight Brian - I didn't realize you'd had an Old Tom in the past. Can I ask, was it made for you or a second hand bow? This is an area that I feel is key when shooting a bow from one of our top Hill style bowyers in that they are able to set that bow up perfectly for THAT shooter. It's certainly something I've enjoyed about Dave's work....

Although there are some distinctly different styling elements between a Berry bow and a Schulz or Miller there are also some very striking similarities in regards to the physical design of the bow. This really intrigues me and makes me think I'd get along well with JD's bows where I ever to try one....
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 08, 2013, 09:09:00 PM
Rossco,
The old tom was second hand. It was 53@27 and 68". The grip was a great size. And the bow shot great too. I Agee about the custom aspect. I feel it does make a difference too.x
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on December 09, 2013, 11:13:00 AM
I too had a Miller bow. Kept it for about a year and sold it because it sat on the rack and collected dust. Great bow, just shot others more. The Berrys reached in, grabbed my heart strings and tugged on them. So, I bought one and ordered another. Can't wait for the Morning Star to arrive.
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Post by: Mudd on December 09, 2013, 11:31:00 AM
I had Mr Miller build me an "Old Tom".

I liked the bow but it went to a friend who I thought at the time, needed it. (long story)

I used to think that someday I might order another but I never have... too busy shooting my JD Berry bows.

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: pavan on December 09, 2013, 12:36:00 PM
Here is a question. I have a 55 or so lefty Morningstar on order. I have about 100 1918 shafts and arrows. I shoot them out of my favorite righty yew/bamboo 57@26 with either 145 target points or long adapter with 160 field points or broadheads, 27" bop. i get the same results with 51 pound righty Robertson. They both fly good. Out of a lefty Robertson that is 51 at 26" the broadheads are perfect, the target points need a few yards. The same arrow at 28" with a target point flies identical to the 27" the arrow with the long adapter plus 160 broadhead. All of these bows are cut 1/8" out from center. I have done various things like turn the cock feather in, rotated nocks, checked my draw over and over. I do not understand why I have more spine tolerance right handed than left with nearly identical bows. I want to shoot those 1918s out of my new Morningstar.
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Post by: Blaino on December 09, 2013, 12:48:00 PM
pavan- i bet you get a cleaner release right handed.
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Post by: two4hooking on December 09, 2013, 01:04:00 PM
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Originally posted by David Mitchell:
Hmmmm, seems that this thread has seen several bowyers become the bowyer du jour for a while.  Now James is sure getting lots of press.  Howard Hill was getting lots of action for a while, then it was Dave Johnson, now nobody mentions Dave then Sunset Hills ran hot for a bit.  Does this thing run in cycles? Anybody want to guess who'll be the next hot hand on here?      :confused:  
There will always be another.....it seems this thread has degenated a bit to "Bow of the week" or "check out my new bow" and very little anymore of substance in the act of shooting or hunting.  Heck hunting season is still in and the only thing everyone is talking about is the bow I have on order....
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Post by: pavan on December 09, 2013, 01:13:00 PM
The one problem that I have with all of this is that it is difficult to come up with a field point with a 19 diameter. The glue on field points are wider than the shaft, my targets hate that and I hate shooting arrows longer than 27" bop. I much prefered my wood thing of shooting target arrows and blunts net length with 5 pounds less spine than my broadhead wood arrows. However, the 1918s have good weight, fly straight through deer and were really cheap. I wish there was a 19 diameter field point that was as heavy as my broadheads.
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Post by: pavan on December 09, 2013, 01:33:00 PM
two hook, Heck it took me four years to make up my mind on a new bow. The first time I ask a hard question about an arrow selection problem and I get jumped on for that. I will just not come here any more if that is the case. Goodbye.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 09, 2013, 01:36:00 PM
Pavan,
I don't think it was geared directly at you.  It's the fact that this the thread has went away from Hill style for a bit. It happens every year this time, spring the style talks resume
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Post by: two4hooking on December 09, 2013, 02:06:00 PM
Yup, not jumping on anyone in particular....just talking in generalities.  It is nice to see a couple bow pictures every now and then.....but it sees all the time recently.  I hunger for the golden days of the Hill thread when folks would divulge some obscure facet of Hill's form that would benefit all.  Or seeing pics of successful Hill hunts.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 09, 2013, 02:11:00 PM
Two4,
I too LOVE seeing the successful hunts, especially since I have not had an opportunity to hunt in the last two years, I mean I do with my children chasing any animal that's deaf and blind with those two bulldozers with me LOL.
I get to live vicariously thru other members.

I do miss watching Khardrunners progress in his search for that perfect Hill form.....
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on December 09, 2013, 02:53:00 PM
In the good old days I made a post about how at some point the thread had to be more than just about the pretty wood and get around to how one uses a Hill longbow. A rather heated but gentlemanly PM debate between myself and Rob occurred.  I still advocate emulating Hill with a Hill style bow. Certaily everyone will have some of their own quirks mixed in, but the basics of the Hill form still is best starting point. I disagree with locking joints when using a Hill bow with a straight grip, I am a big believer in getting ahold of it and keeping the elbow bent. One of the Hill quirks that I cannot emulate is that Hill quite often had a slight drop in the bow position as he completed his anchor. For those of us that have been shooting Hill longbows since the 60s much of this is old news and info. We are looking for advancements in the art of building and shooting a Hill style bow. That is why I kept mentioning the possible advantages of the reverse handle. some at the time thought that were too udly and did not represent a true Hill longbow. However, if someone, and somone has, can come up with a reverse handled longbow that keeps its performance up and even though the handling may be slightly different, it is an advancement in the process.  This thread started out with pages and pages of people ordering new bows and showing pictures of pretty bows. While my venison chilly is heating up and I am typing as fast as I can, I realize that I should keep my technical problems to myself. I know what I need to do to fix it, I have a local friend that can turn heavy screw in field points to the 190 grain 19/64 od points that I need. I did not need to post it on here and will refrain from such things in the future. time to eat that deer that I shot the other day.
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Post by: canopyboy on December 09, 2013, 03:22:00 PM
pavan,

I thought the arrow post was a nice technical item and just the opposite of what two4 was talking about.  I see no reason to refrain from such posts.  In fact, it is those type of posts that might be useful and interesting to many of us who are just as interested in shooting these bows as we are in acquiring and drooling over them.

Now where's a picture of that deer you're eating?

-Dave
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Post by: typical2 on December 09, 2013, 03:22:00 PM
Pavan,

As you talk about advancements, I wonder what advancements Howard Hill would be taking advantage of.  If he were here today I wonder what he would be shooting.  Would he be using carbon or foam in his limbs?  Would he be shooting carbon arrows?  He advanced his bows with the new technology of fiberglass.  How much technology would he have taken advantage of.  R/D bows?  Interesting for me to think about.
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Post by: canopyboy on December 09, 2013, 03:29:00 PM
typ,

I'm no Howard expert, but I can't help but believe he would have tried the new materials available to him.  I think he may have stuck with bamboo cores in his personal bows out an affinity for the material, but would have happily sold bows both ways.  I don't think he would have hesitated to use carbon in his bows.

As for R/D, I think he would have tried them and found them more forgiving than the way he seemed to talk about recurves, but I don't think you would have changed his adherence to the basic Hill style bow.

I haven't made up my mind about where I think he'd stand on carbon arrows.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 09, 2013, 03:30:00 PM
Typical,
I often think of the same things. Just from his books I gather he would still shoot straightlimbed bows, and I know he mentioned that shooting wood arrows felt like the true essence of longbows, but I wonder if carbons would have changed his mind??????  
If he felt carbon backing was advantageous I'm sure he would have jumped all over it. Hill was a forward thinker and innovator
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Post by: Blaino on December 09, 2013, 04:22:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:
I do not understand why I have more spine tolerance right handed than left with nearly identical bows. I want to shoot those 1918s out of my new Morningstar.
Quote
Originally posted by Blaino:
pavan- i bet you get a cleaner release right handed.
still my .02
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on December 09, 2013, 04:27:00 PM
Blaino, I hate to admit to that, but I am pretty certain that you are correct. I just ordered some extra heavy screw in points and I am going to have a friend at a local shop that has the right machinery plane a bit off of them to get to the weight and diameter for all of my 19/64" shafts so they pull out of my target easier and fly more like the broadheads.
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on December 09, 2013, 09:08:00 PM
Originally published and copyrighted in 1975, in John Schulz's book "Hitting 'em Like Howard Hill", page 15 shows a photo of Howard. It is captioned "BEING FLUID..." - EXHIBITION IN JAPAN.  

To me, what is most interesting about the photo is that Howard is shooting a forward handle straight limbed longbow. The bow is at full draw and looks just like Berry's Morning Star at full draw.

Intuitively obvious is the fact that it is not a R/D design, but a straight limbed longbow, straight out of the 1950's. If I had a scanner, I would post the picture. Perhaps someone else can do that for me.
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Post by: Bowitis on December 09, 2013, 09:14:00 PM
I would love to see that. I hope someone will post the pic.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 09, 2013, 09:56:00 PM
Your wish is my command, you have two wishes left for the Genie
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 (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/0850666F-A9C8-4D07-9CFF-D84AD293AB0F-8680-0000111FC514C43B_zps8c0d3062.jpg)
 (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/131F128B-329A-46C3-9D55-29D60D66D6B0-8680-0000111FBA754BCF_zpsabb83cf8.jpg)

Last picture caption. Read it.
There must be something good about these reverse handles for Howard to choose to shoot it at the 1st annual Hiward Hill Shoot.

I can say this without reservation.....I am a convert to the reverse handle wholeheartedly. My Morningstar and Northstar are my go to bows
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Post by: Bowitis on December 09, 2013, 10:00:00 PM
Thanks Brian!
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 09, 2013, 10:03:00 PM
Here is a better pic of it thanks to an email I just received. Thanks Tom.
 (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/null_zpsc1a8f50d.jpg)
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Post by: JDBerry on December 09, 2013, 11:45:00 PM
Bowitis, thanks for pm, don't know how to E mail back, Thank you...James
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Post by: pavan on December 10, 2013, 12:26:00 AM
WAy back before most of you young guys were born that was the picture that got my blood going.  I had been thinking about selling one of my drag cars and getting a Jack Howard.  I had going back and forth with Jack Howard by letters and he told me that he had a much fancier new model coming. In one of those letters he told me that a Howard Hill was the roughest bow to shoot there was regardless of its length. So I called Ted Ekin and asked him if that was true, then John Schulz told me, "Not if you shoot 'em right". I ordered a reverse Tembo. John wanted to send me a 55 yew, Now finally after over 40 years I am getting that 55 in a reverse or as James calls it a forward. Some of us learn stuff alot slower than others.
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Post by: normf on December 10, 2013, 12:43:00 AM
I heard somewhere that Hill used the reverse handle on some of his trick shots. I don't remember where I heard it, I have a good memory but it's short.
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Post by: Rossco7002 on December 10, 2013, 08:39:00 AM
Here's a pic I took at the conclusion of yesterday's hunt. Hunting from the ground I was 7 yards from the biggest deer of my life but the winds of fortune blew in his favour and all I left the woods with was this smile. A great day to be hunting with an ASL!

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Day break:

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I'm out again this afternoon! Have a great day everyone!
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 10, 2013, 10:19:00 AM
Good luck Rossco!!!!!!!! Love the pics, thanks
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Post by: Rossco7002 on December 10, 2013, 12:14:00 PM
Thanks Brian! I'm heading out now, hopefully there'll be some Hill style success pics to post this evening! :-)
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Post by: smoke1953 on December 10, 2013, 12:30:00 PM
Keep those shootn fingers warm. Good luckily
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Post by: iohkus on December 10, 2013, 02:37:00 PM
This last picture of Howard looks more like what is called a "semi-reverse" handle. The face lams do not go straight up the handle, but flare a little putting the handle, in essence, in the middle of  the limbs.
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Post by: David Mitchell on December 10, 2013, 02:43:00 PM
iohkus, that was my thought as well.
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Post by: Blaino on December 10, 2013, 05:31:00 PM
Rossco- Beautiful place! Good luck this afternoon. I want to see one of your hill laid across one of those giant Canadian bucks!
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Post by: Gordon Jabben on December 10, 2013, 05:59:00 PM
I have seen that picture of Howard a hundred times and never noticed the handle being in the middle of the limbs.
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Post by: pavan on December 10, 2013, 06:17:00 PM
It has a fadeout piece added to the belly side of the handle. Hill added his glass after the core was glued together. I wonder if that was an in the process idea or planned. That pic is from 1957. I thought my first Hill longbow from way back would have that, but no. I was heart broken, not really. John had his own ideas on that when I orderd mine.
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Post by: Sant-Ravenhill on December 10, 2013, 06:21:00 PM
Does the fadeout piece make it a semi-reverse handle?

For me the semi-reverse/extra fadeout makes a more pleasing appearance than the straight reverse handle.

Thanks for the pictures!
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Post by: Mudd on December 10, 2013, 06:45:00 PM
Allen Boice(another TD sponsor) makes a Liberty longbow that has the handle in the center.

They are easy to shoot with a lot of the same traits as a reverse or forward handle bow.

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God bless,Mudd
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Post by: Overspined on December 10, 2013, 10:24:00 PM
Great Northern and Northern Mist whispers all have that similar split in the lams with the riser in the "center".  Again, more forward handle, more resistant to torque.  

Pavan, I've been thinking about how to ramp up the arrow speed on a reverse handle bow and most the bowyers use a similar reflex in the limbs as the std hill style bow they make as far as I've seen.  I'm not sure you could take that loss of draw length and make it up in velocity somewhere else in the build. I think it has to be a different limb design altogether.  

Shooting Hill style bows doesn't mean we are into arrow velocity big time, but it would be a neat accomplishment for the forward/reverse handle bow to equal the performance of the standard.
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Post by: Overspined on December 10, 2013, 10:33:00 PM
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Post by: Bob B. on December 10, 2013, 11:49:00 PM
Rossco,

Great pics, great story ... too bad you did not connect ... keep at it man, I will cross my fingers for ya.  Great looking bow by the way!!

Bob.
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Post by: pavan on December 11, 2013, 12:37:00 AM
Overspine, I am pretty certain that there are very few bows that will match my dearly departed Schulz Legend for power at a less than a 27" draw. I got close with my yew/bamboo, but then that bow is two inches longer and less draw. But then I did get a very forgiving and accurate bow that would have been faster than my 68" 72@28 Schulz Hunter, had I not slipped on some icey leaves and broke the tip on that one, so other than comparing yards of cast with the same arrow, I have no chrono number.  My only real concern is that the hundreds of 1918s that I own will shoot out of it, I think they will with some heavier points that will match my broadheads.  I think by focussing the bend and keeping the brace under control it should be good enough speed wise. One thing about that Schulz, if the brace was higher than what John liked, the cast did suffer some. I do not know if that is particular to how he layed out and tillered a bow, but it seems to hold true for the ones that I tillered using my Schulz bows for the tiller lines.  It only ever bothers a bit when using 5.5" feathers, they have about a half inch lap on the arrow shelf.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 11, 2013, 08:47:00 AM
Matt,
I've heard the claims of reverse handles being slower, and honestly my Whisper was not the quickest, but I have also noticed the same to hold true for stringfollow bows, they seem to loose cast down the way.  But with that said my JD Morningstar chronos 183 FPS with a 8.64 GPP arrow (my hunting arrow) and 179 FPS With my 9 GPP arrow,  I'm not a speed freak at all but this is comming our of a 50@26" bow, I drew 26".  Maybe mine is a fluke, or maybe the range who's chrono I used is not calibrated, but being the shooter behind the stick I can see the differede, and that speed and cast along with te other great attributes of James design moved the Morningstar quickly to my top shooter slot.
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Post by: pavan on December 11, 2013, 09:07:00 AM
An odd observation we made concerning chronos and longbows. If one shoots a 27" draw with a locked up straight arm and then the same person shoots a 27" draw with a bent arm out of the same longbow. The bent arm shot will be a faster arrow. We had the same results with three guys and three different bows, although two of us already shot with bent bow arms normally.  It all started with trying help a longbow newbie shoot his Hill better.  I should add that he was trying to shoot his Hill three under and gunbarreling the arrow. A dead bow arm, head goose necked against his shoulder and with the drawing arm quite high. Getting to the split finger and corner of the mouth anchor gained nothing. Getting him to bend the bow arm, square up the shoulders and and get some snap to the release made a good difference in arrow speed and a good difference in his accuracy. With us it was just a couple of fps slower when shooting with a dead bowarm, but a consistent reading of a slower arrow with the straight arm versus the bent arm.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 11, 2013, 09:33:00 AM
Oh, pavan brought up a point I left out, I'm a 3U shooter
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Post by: pavan on December 11, 2013, 09:48:00 AM
I know, that is why I mentioned the formally three under goose necker. He is an odd duff for his age. Heart of gold, a tight ass, no cell phone, no computer, and stubborn, he will admit to killing more deer with his longbow than he got with his short recurve or his Bear Whitetail Hunter.  He has yet to actually pay for a bow. That compound was a thrown out antique by the time he got it, the recurve was one that someone had in a closet since the 60s and never shot it, but the relatively new Hill, he calls his old bow.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 11, 2013, 09:52:00 AM
Ha ha,
You calling me a goose necker!!!! Those are scrapping words. LOL
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Post by: pavan on December 11, 2013, 09:54:00 AM
Just warnin ya. Don't be goose neckin when yer peaking over that arrow.
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Post by: tg2nd on December 11, 2013, 03:09:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by pavan:
An odd observation we made concerning chronos and longbows. If one shoots a 27" draw with a locked up straight arm and then the same person shoots a 27" draw with a bent arm out of the same longbow. The bent arm shot will be a faster arrow. We had the same results with three guys and three different bows, although two of us already shot with bent bow arms normally.  It all started with trying help a longbow newbie shoot his Hill better.  I should add that he was trying to shoot his Hill three under and gunbarreling the arrow. A dead bow arm, head goose necked against his shoulder and with the drawing arm quite high. Getting to the split finger and corner of the mouth anchor gained nothing. Getting him to bend the bow arm, square up the shoulders and and get some snap to the release made a good difference in arrow speed and a good difference in his accuracy. With us it was just a couple of fps slower when shooting with a dead bowarm, but a consistent reading of a slower arrow with the straight arm versus the bent arm.
pavan,
I think it's not about the elbow.

BUT:
With a bent elbow you don't loose as much back tension, as with a straight elbow.
Release over back tension will need an arrow 5# - 10# heavier in spine. Same thing for chrono results (but in fps).

Hope you understand what I'm writing. English is not my mother's language!
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Post by: pavan on December 11, 2013, 06:05:00 PM
With my friend it was about the overall strength of the shot, certainly. However, if the arm is not locked out, there is some driving force left at release that can give the bow forward momemtum. I agree, that most of it is the fact that bending the arm keeps the shoulders more definately in the power line with a bit of forward recoil which adds a little bit to the available energy. I was thinking that for him it was more about the strength of the release and the fact that everything else helped a bit here and there. Now if the arm was locked in a bent position it would not have that added push any more than a straight arm, providing the rest of the power line was good. But that is not possible to do because one has to be pushing the bow towards the target, and as long as there is some push left, there will be some benefits from that push, however small they may be. Like I stated, I only saw 2 feet per second when I locked my bowarm. Not enough to see with the naked eye. However, with Ron we could definately see a faster arrow. We were curious how much faster.
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Post by: pavan on December 11, 2013, 06:18:00 PM
I also think that a stronger released shot does not lose as much energy from arrow to bow contact. Years ago, we did not have chronos, we flight shot. I made a sort of manual shooting rig. At first we just pulled the bow back with fingers, then a wilson strap tab, and lastly a mechanical release. We could always outshoot it for distance. At the time we thought it was because of arrow drag on the bow, but I could not rig it to duplicate the give of a bowarm. In hind sight that could have something to do with Louis Armbruster's claim that the bow tests in Longbow shooters digest were wrong. I witnessed myself, how Louis could get a much faster arrow than shoting machine results by shooting the arrows himself. He thought that either they used a chrono that was off or the shots were all soft.  When I brought up the rigid lock on the bow and the arrow drag thing, he thought that could be part of it, but in his opinion longbows still shot faster than the published numbers for longbow shooters that 'shot 'em right'.
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Post by: 58WINTERS on December 11, 2013, 07:48:00 PM
This thread is getting back on track. Thanks.
58
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Post by: Overspined on December 12, 2013, 01:27:00 AM
I have seen small differences in arrow velocity just by a few small things.  4 fps by going to a glove with a nylon insert in the fingers vs a soft finger glove of the same make, and pulling through the release instead of a dead release. That picks up a few fps as well. I shoot a bent arm so never compared to a locked arm. Shooting a skinny string FF of your liking picks up 4 fps  as well vs Dacron. When you add it up its a spine grouping or two. I'm not advocating one thing over another, just sharing.

 I'm not dead set on anything anymore. I like a variety of strings and nuances of shooting style. I can say that when I do it "right" (hill style), everything just comes together.  His method of shooting is amazing and I'd love to master it. I am flawed, however.
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Post by: Overspined on December 12, 2013, 01:36:00 AM
Hey Goosenecker (Brian)    :biglaugh:    . I think the reverse handle bows shoot great.  I don't doubt your results. Compare it to a std hill style of the same limb profile and it's difficult not to gain.  It's adding a couple inches of draw length because the riser pushes that bow and limbs away from you. It's not a big deal, but you should see a definite gain in velocity, noticeable in my opinion. It has never discouraged me from shooting a reverse handle bow.  That's what I hunted with all season this year. I am a huge fan of the longbow.

There are quiet curves, but still they don't match the silence of a longbow.
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Post by: pavan on December 12, 2013, 01:53:00 AM
I always maintain, especially with shooting the Hill style, that a strong shot with a lighter bow is always deadlier than a struggled shot with a heavy bow. With Hill form the shooter is a vibrant dynamic part of the bow as much as the bow is a dynamic part of the shooter. With the light physical weight of the bow makes the weight and action and the weight of the bowarm part of the weight and stability of the bow. A heavy handled recurve is more independent and feels less a part of the shooter. I have a 70" Bear Kodiak Special, one would think that it would have a very similar reaction and feel of a longbow, but the action of the limbs and the bending action separates the bow from the shooter. A true Hill style longbow will always have some forgiveness in draw length variations. We have bows that are high performers, but they gain more speed per inch of increased draw than a Hill style bow. Conversely, they loose more speed per inch of draw than a Hill style bow with a shorter draw. Even though there may be more total speed, I think if a bow shoots a more predictable arrow, one can develop a more consistant killing accuracy when things do not work out to always have the exact same draw length. Even Hill's draw showed some variations in various situations.  Speaking as a didicated bird and bunny hunter, I know that my draw length varies and I need some forgiveness with my draw length. In some circles it is almost a sacrilage, but I would rather shoot at ten bunnies in a day than one deer.
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on December 12, 2013, 08:24:00 AM
What I like about the true Hill style longbow is the fact that if you listen to, that is if you are in tune with the bow, it will tell YOU what you are doing be that either good or bad. I believe it takes a relationship between any archer and the bow they are shooting in order to produce a good shot. A "good shot" to me means that every action that produces a shot is perfectly choreographed and is repeated over and over again with each succeeding shot.
You, the archer has to give the bow what the bow requires. You can't force it to do (perform) the way you want it to.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 12, 2013, 08:46:00 AM
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Originally posted by Ric O'Shay:
What I like about the true Hill style longbow is the fact that if you listen to, that is if you are in tune with the bow, it will tell YOU what you are doing be that either good or bad. I believe it takes a relationship between any archer and the bow they are shooting in order to produce a good shot. A "good shot" to me means that every action that produces a shot is perfectly choreographed and is repeated over and over again with each succeeding shot.
You, the archer has to give the bow what the bow requires. You can't force it to do (perform) the way you want it to.
No truer words have been spoken..... Great write up Danny
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Post by: Gordon Jabben on December 12, 2013, 09:05:00 AM
I have a Northern Mist Whisper and a Classic of the same weight and core material.  I wish I had a chronograph so I could tell the difference in speed.  I really can't tell just by shooting them.
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Post by: pavan on December 12, 2013, 03:18:00 PM
My son really likes the Whisper, do you feel that you have more natural accuracy with the Whisper or the Classic?  According to him, "I just knew where the arrow was going."  He felt a bit guilty about messing up the fletching of Steve's arrows at Waterloo, but he did not want the people watching to have the impression that he could not pile up the arrows with Steve's bows.  When he tried the Kramer Razorback that I bought for a 16 year old, he fired a tight group and then said, "I cannot believe that I don't own one of these."  Not bragging on his behalf, but he did have a good teacher, if he can tell an obvious difference, there is an obvious difference.
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Post by: Gordon Jabben on December 12, 2013, 06:56:00 PM
Pavan, without any real proof, it just seems to me the Whisper is much easier to shoot accurately.  I have another Whisper on the way or should I say lost in the mail.  When I get it I will probably sell the Classic.  The new Whisper is 5 pounds lighter.
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Post by: Overspined on December 13, 2013, 01:26:00 AM
I happen to own a whisper and classic of the same draw weight.  The Classic is 68" and the whisper 66".  The Classic is quicker.  Again, I don't care, but it is, and I would expect that to be the case. Inherently I believe the whisper is very easy to shoot tight groups, but the classic works out the same for me.   Mistakes are a little more noticeable with the classic. I like them both, but I have a preference for the classic style longbow handle, it just fits me.  That said, I hunted the whisper this year and will be hog hunting with it soon.
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Post by: typical2 on December 13, 2013, 09:18:00 PM
Most of the loss in speed with reverse handles comes from the bigger brace height.  I think the difference between the Mist Classic and Whisper brace height is 1.5".  Losing that much of a power stroke has to affect speed.

Reverse handles with same brace as standard handle would of course show little difference.

I need a chronograph to play around with.
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Post by: Gordon Jabben on December 13, 2013, 09:30:00 PM
Typical2, I was thinking the same thing.  I use the same brace height on both.  It would be fun to check on a chronograph.
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Post by: pavan on December 13, 2013, 10:49:00 PM
Without using a chrono, because chrono readings quite often just raises comments about how folks doubt the accuracy of the numbers, I flight shot a Hill Razorback against a standard Hill bow that came close to same weight, just a couple of pounds heavier draw, because they seemed very close. The results were not enough difference to matter, just a couple of yards, as in a two or three yard average. My personal faster tipped bows were faster, but they were also stiffer. Although I did cheat on the brace, I only turned the brace a half inch higher on the Razorback, instead of the inch and a half. Even with an inch deeper brace, I would not think the difference would matter that much.
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Post by: Jacquesbonin on December 15, 2013, 12:03:00 AM
pavan,you are right this"Legend"is really fast, I shot it today,this was my first opportunity to do so. I shot 2020 aluminums with Bear greenies, total arrow weight of 565 grains. It shot right were I was looking,awsome! Ready togo hunting! Thank you very much! Jacques
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Post by: pavan on December 15, 2013, 03:30:00 AM
It sets a rather high perfomance standard. John said that he built 40 deer into that bow. You have 22 deer left.
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Post by: pavan on December 15, 2013, 12:09:00 PM
I shot 27" bop 2018s with 160 Grizzlies and single bevel ground Howard Hills on glue in adapters, or extra heavy for the spine Rogue River cedars 70s @ 27" bop with the 160 broadheads. For bunnies, pheasants and targets I used 60-65 pound net length cedars wtih 160 points. Just kidding about the 40 deer, I cannot remember how many John said. Louis Armbruster said that he only built 3 deer into each bow, so he could sell more bows. He built a few extra into mine.
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Post by: Overspined on December 15, 2013, 01:15:00 PM
I shoot my brace of the reverse handle 1" higher than on the classic style Hill bow.  If I go under 6" on the classic style for a 68" bow, I notice and don't like it as my arrow flight becomes impossible to tune. So I shoot it 6 1/4 to allow for any unexpected changes, like heat or accidentally allowing a few twists to fall out.

Steve at Northern Mist said I shoot the 7 1/4 " brace on the 66" whisper too low, as he watched as I immediately swapped out the strings for a longer one I brought with me. That bow is a T/D so I lower the brace until I hear it's too low, then raise it a little.  7 1/4" is what it came to.

If I had a one piece like Typical 2 said, I'd lower it until it quit shooting for me.  Haven't tried that yet.

Seems about right to me, 1"-2" different in brace.  Reverse handles are probably even more forgiving at a higher brace like 2" higher than a classic Hill. So approx 8".  

As I have said, the local trad shop owner said he fixes most "sudden" and panicked inconsistencies with just twisting up the strings of customer's trad bows. Apparently folks don't keep tabs on that very well.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 15, 2013, 01:54:00 PM
Matt,
You bring up a perfect point. I hadn't shot my vixen in a while due to shooting the Morningstar and I noticed my arrow flight was funky a week or so ago, I meant perfectly tuned arrows acting silly, I put a couple twists on the string and viola, perfect flight. I don't measure brace I just eyeball 1/8" higher than fistmele, and that solved it.

Glad you brought that point up
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Post by: pavan on December 15, 2013, 04:15:00 PM
On the above Legend John said to use a max 6" brace height and taking it higher could cost a lot of cast.  If I remember right, I read once that he said it could be as much 20 feet per second for an inch over. My fisty thingy is only 6.5", I have STD, short thumb disease.
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Post by: Mudd on December 15, 2013, 04:28:00 PM
It pays to occasionally throw your fist up there with your thumb stuck up like your hitch hiking...lol

If I get a couple of what I think should have been better hits it's the 1st thing I check.

I always feel better when it needs a twist or two also because then I don't have to take the blame...lol "It's that blasted string that stretched out a bit!"

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 15, 2013, 07:43:00 PM
My fistmele is 6 1/8"
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Post by: JDBerry on December 15, 2013, 07:53:00 PM
What Muddy says, don't take the blame if you dont have to....James
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 15, 2013, 08:00:00 PM
I sure like Mudds thinking also
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Post by: Caboo on December 15, 2013, 08:12:00 PM
Years ago I purchased a couple new longbows from Tim Meigs. His enclosed brace height instructions always said to measure the brace height to the back side of arrow shelf. If I remember correctly it was 8" to 9.5" The more I thought about it the more sense it made to me. Measuring to the belly side will vary between us depending on grip size but draw length to the back side of the bow is always consistent. It was good enough for Mr. Meigs so I that's the way I do it and it's amazing how well it works.
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Post by: pavan on December 15, 2013, 09:22:00 PM
On the other side of this, a number of years back I had a bow that kind of blasted my bowhand and it did not like the arrows that I had for it. I made a short string for it, by accident, and put it on the bow anyway. Low be hold, it was nicer to shoot and the arrows flew better.  The animals that I shot could not tell that it shot a slower arrow. I thought that it was the fine tight braiding that I did and the eighteen strands, looking back, the higher brace might have had more to do with it.
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Post by: JDBerry on December 15, 2013, 09:47:00 PM
Pavan know what you mean, same in crafting bows. Live long enough and you start learning....jAmES
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Post by: cahaba on December 16, 2013, 12:42:00 AM
Nate Steen was saying how he ran his BH at 5 1/2" and said the bow shot well. I tried it on my Hill bows and got them set at 5 3/4" and I get great arrow flight and the bow is quiet. I like the lowest BH I can get away with. Mr. Hill said your BH should be low enough till the string started tapping your arm guard. I don't know about all of that but I do like mine as low as I can get it....David
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Post by: Jim Picarelli on December 16, 2013, 07:02:00 AM
I also like mine set as low as I can get away with while still getting good arrow flight and quietness. My bows are anywhere from 5 7/8" to 6 1/4" and I'm usually getting a slight string slap on the wrist where it meets my hand
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Post by: cahaba on December 16, 2013, 07:20:00 AM
I have my Shelton set at 6" and all is good. I don't get any string slap. I may twist it on down till I get a little string slap just to see how it would work for my arrow setup.  I do like to get every bit of performance I can out of my bows.
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on December 16, 2013, 07:33:00 AM
With all the different BH's posted, I said it before and I'll say it again:

"You, the archer has to give the bow what the bow requires. You can't force it to do (perform) the way you want it to."

A "recommended" brace height from a bowyer is just that: "RECOMMENDED"

   :bigsmyl:
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Post by: ron w on December 16, 2013, 08:32:00 AM
I have always liked a brace a bit higher than some. It's just what I like, 7-7 3/4 seems to work for me and the bows that I have.
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Post by: Mudd on December 16, 2013, 10:09:00 AM
I believe Danny is on the right track.

Every bow is different...and by every bow, I mean every bow, even if they appear to be identical in every way.

Don't be afraid to play with your brace height.

There is a "sweet spot" that is unique to your bow.

"Recommended" brace heights should get you in the "ball park" but now it's up to you to find your seat.

It ain't rocket science or brain surgery and it's fun......Have fun with it!!

Merry Christmas and God bless,Mudd
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Post by: cahaba on December 16, 2013, 10:30:00 AM
True. Every bow is different and every shooter is different. Stated BH is just a place to start.
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Post by: RC on December 16, 2013, 10:50:00 AM
I find my sweet spot on bh by starting high and untwisting as I go down. I don`t look at arrow flight I just "feel" the bow. I do this without silencers on a fast flite string. when you get to the spot then add very lite wt silencers you will have it good. Least for me thats how I do it. Every time for me it will not only feel best but be  quiet as well.
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Post by: Kelly on December 16, 2013, 11:12:00 AM
Until you guys started talking about actual BH measurements I had never put a tape to mine until just now. My Schulz all bamboo, my Sunset Hills are all at 5 5/8". Then measured my Miller and it was 5 3/4". Thought it looked hig before I measured it so now lowered it 1/8" so they are all the same.

Hill and Schulz both said to lower the BH till the string ticked your wrist-mind you they were both using B-50.

Lower BH creates more of a powerstroke, higher BH shortens the powerstroke. Personally I find the lower brace height shoots and feels so much better in my hands and just looks correct.

Sure the low BH makes for difficulty if using 5 1/2" fletch but I've stopped using those big feathers awhile ago. Been using 5" and now mostly 4" and getting very good flight. Of course I have lots of weight forward with 190 grain points on my wood shafts-think that helps-learned that from shooting high FOC carbons that had 260 grains up front. The more FOC the better they fly, IMO.
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Post by: canopyboy on December 16, 2013, 11:33:00 AM
My experience is that lower BH means more power stroke, less energy left in the bow.  The bow shoots faster, smoother, and quieter the lower I go.  But at about 5-7/8 or so, I start smacking my armguard at the wrist.  In hunting temperature clothing, it starts smacking farther out.  The bow is quiet until the string smacks the armguard.  A fistmele for me is right about 6-1/8.  So I find that right about 6" works perfect for me.  Maybe if I found a way to grip the bow a little more from the side I could go lower, but why mess with what seems to work?

Measuring from the back instead of the belly side of the handle makes sense from a bow performance/consistency in measurement among various hand grips.  But since my limit seems to be driven by the distance from my wrist to the string, the traditional way of meauring seems to be the way to go.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: far rider on December 16, 2013, 11:47:00 AM
Guys (gals) your killing me. Love the thread, but your killing me. Mudd, you in particular! It's like your the evil emperor using your dark Jedi mind tricks on my weak sub conscience. I go to sleep hearing "Luke......you need a bow" over and over again!!!! James....your a Sith as well I believe now.

Details to follow.
   :archer:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Ric O'Shay on December 16, 2013, 04:39:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by far rider:
Guys (gals) your killing me. Love the thread, but your killing me. Mudd, you in particular! It's like your the evil emperor using your dark Jedi mind tricks on my weak sub conscience. I go to sleep hearing "Luke......you need a bow" over and over again!!!! James....your a Sith as well I believe now.

Details to follow.
    :bigsmyl:    :bigsmyl:    :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: MikeNova on December 16, 2013, 05:05:00 PM
Yes its a know fact that we must take a different bow on every hunt.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 16, 2013, 05:28:00 PM
Your right, you need a tournent bow, a squirrell bow, deer bow , turkey bow....well you get the point. LOL
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: far rider on December 16, 2013, 06:02:00 PM
There I was poking fun while James was working Rob into a Vixen, minding my own business....well, sorta...and before I knew it.....BAM!!!

What's this?????
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: far rider on December 16, 2013, 05:59:00 PM
oops....double post...compooter slow!

I gotta go to a thing at my son's high school. Back in a few.
Then the evil will be revealed!!!!!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on December 16, 2013, 07:32:00 PM
Brian I hope your wrong. While I intend to keep at least one right hand bow and one shorter back up left hand bow, I am committed to being a one bow bowhunter. I even gave away my shotgun.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: far rider on December 16, 2013, 09:01:00 PM
So while I slumber at night, the evil Empire, aka Mudd's Merry Men and accompaniment are hard at work, toiling for my Hill soul. Hard they work posting and chatting amongst themselves like a scene from MacBeth. "Double, double toil and trouble, fire burn and cauldron bubble" were chanted time and time again. From darkness somewhere in Mudd's very land comes the calling from the bowels of bowdom. "Go northwest, northwest" comes the call. "The bow you seek is northwest".

I awake night after night, sweating, dizzy and disorientated. What could the dream mean, what is this magical land called "northwest". Each day I busy myself with work, with chores. At night I drink coffee and dare the night to approach. It comes all the same and the dreams with it.

Night after night the dreams come until suddenly a message from this land called Missouri and with it the key to it all. Like the wishful guitarist who stands at the crossroads anticipating Ole' Scratch, I await the offering.

As I awake one starry night I realize it's not a dream, but reality and opportunity. KNOCK, KNOCK, KNOCK comes the pounding on my door. Who am I to resist such temptation? How is a mere mortal to withstand the constant onslaught? "Come in, Come in" says I.

Then, as if the fog lifts, the moon steps aside and the "North Star" shines with all the answers there revealed in wondrous lines of symmetry and glorious form.


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North Star takes its place along side such greats as Wesley, Halfbreed, Redman, and Cheetah.

Tim (http://s894.photobucket.com/user/timwsmith/media/PC150026.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: antler chaser on December 16, 2013, 09:43:00 PM
Good looking bow far rider!
I'm curious,while we are on the brace height subject, I have always pondered if you have a  longer draw if your bh is higher? 31'' plus.I seem to run 6''3/4 to 7 so how about you long draw HH shooters, what do you run for a bh?
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 16, 2013, 10:00:00 PM
Far rider,
Now that is a bow introduction, but I must say you may want to leave the egg nog alone for a little while. LOL. You have picked up an absolute stunning bow.  Those limbs are mesmerizing.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mudd on December 16, 2013, 10:38:00 PM
I fear that we disagree...rather than a " nightmarish dooming" you got a "Blessing".

Your "Morning Star" not only has beauty but it has added "Mojo" from two of us.

It is true that it's total deer numbers has been diminished by one but there's a bunch left it for the future.

Enjoy!!

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: RC on December 16, 2013, 11:04:00 PM
My homemade string follow nabs #6 for the year.

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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: far rider on December 17, 2013, 12:33:00 AM
Great doe there RC. Looking forward to seeing you at the Hog fest this year.

Good question there Steve. I draw long and am interested to see the answers.

Brian, you can't imagine how lucky I was on this one. Just fell out of the sky....no pun intended.

Tim
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Overspined on December 17, 2013, 12:34:00 AM
Significant noise comes from the string hitting an arm guard with a low brace. Helping my dad tune his bow, it took a few shots to realize that the noise was from that and not the arrow. We hunt so we took care of that real quick.

PAVAN, 20 fps for 1" of brace??? Really?  Cut your bow nocks in backwards on any longbow and I doubt you lose 20!         :archer2:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Overspined on December 17, 2013, 12:36:00 AM
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on December 17, 2013, 12:41:00 AM
That is what John said for his bows, I got that letter around here somewhere.  I believe that he said a max of 6" for my bow, so that is where I kept it.  I do not know if that would apply to a thinner cored bow, I could see how it could restrict a thick cored bow, if the brace was too high it could prevent the whip end tips from following through.  I did see how brace could affect speed once with my son's Timberline that 3/4" made about 10 fps according a chrono. He was experimenting trying to get a lighter head to fly on some shafts that were just a bit too stiff. He let the twists back out and went with a heavier head.  Different bows have different mechanics. I could believe that the reverse trap of your Northern mist bows would have quite different mechanics than a Schulz.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on December 17, 2013, 01:08:00 AM
I could not find the personal letter from John, but I did find the sheet that came with one of my Schulz bows.
To get the maximum efficiency, the bow should never be braced higher than 6" nor less than 5&3/4" fistmele. A higher bracing can cause a loss in speed of up to 20 fps. The nocking point should be approximately 1/16" above horizontal.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: cahaba on December 17, 2013, 02:08:00 AM
Good info guys and gals.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Ric O'Shay on December 17, 2013, 08:36:00 AM
Congrats on #6 RC! Looks as if I won't be able to get back out till after Christmas. I'll try to find the mojo that came with Keeper Kat.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 17, 2013, 08:41:00 AM
RC,
The deer have joined ranks and are official putting you on the terrorist watch list in the swamps.  You are like the Carlos Hathcock of the swamps
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Blaino on December 17, 2013, 09:26:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by antler chaser:
Good looking bow far rider!
I'm curious,while we are on the brace height subject, I have always pondered if you have a  longer draw if your bh is higher? 31'' plus.I seem to run 6''3/4 to 7 so how about you long draw HH shooters, what do you run for a bh?
I draw right at 30" and shoot my 70" Wesley at 6"... started out around 6.75" and backed it down until the bow said "right there" and that turned out to be 6"

Don’t worry with number until your bow is set up the way it wants to be shot and then write them down for later reference.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Gordon Jabben on December 17, 2013, 09:31:00 AM
I now have my new NM Whisper bow and have done a little shooting with it.  I played around with the brace height and there was a noticeable drop in speed when I raised the brace height from 6 1/2" to 7 1/2".  How much, I don't know but you could tell it was slower.  It certainly was whisper quiet at the higher brace height.  I think it is as quick as any Hill style bow of the same weight at the lower brace.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: smoke1953 on December 17, 2013, 09:45:00 AM
For me when the bow turns quiet everything else is secondary.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: far rider on December 17, 2013, 10:44:00 AM
Okay, stupid question #113.
When you guys reference brace height as a certain measurement "fistmele" what are you saying. Is it a point of reference such as deepest part of the grip, or a certain way of measuring?

Tim
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Ric O'Shay on December 17, 2013, 10:51:00 AM
Tim -
Different bowyers have different reference points for their own brace height. Some measure the deepest part of the grip to the string, some measure from the belly of the bow to the string and others measure from the back of the bow to the string. Most bowyers will tell you where and how they measure.

It's all good, you just need to know if you are talking about apples or oranges or fruit cakes.    :saywhat:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 17, 2013, 10:54:00 AM
Tim,
In reference to your new Berry, measure from the belly side of the shelf to your string
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: far rider on December 17, 2013, 11:21:00 AM
Ok Brian. I had always...well maybe not always, but I remember reading that brace was measured from the deepest part of the grip. Your saying measure from the edge of the shelf on the belly side which would be the closest spot to the string. That correct?

Tim
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: SlowBowinMO on December 17, 2013, 11:30:00 AM
I tested brace height and speed one day with a chronograph.  An inch of draw length was good for about 10-12 fps (say going from 28" to 29" draw with the same arrow).  An inch of brace height change only yielded about 1 fps gain (for example dropping from 7.5" to 6.5").

Made sense to me since the bow is at the end of its power stroke by the time it hits the brace height adjustment, whereas its at the peak of its power when you add an inch of draw length.

Obviously a proper brace is huge during tuning for proper shooting qualities though.

FWIW.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Nattybumppo on December 17, 2013, 11:34:00 AM
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Finally... The longest running thread I have ever seen on any forum... I finally get to get in on it!!!

This is my first HIll bow. Howard HIll Archery Cheetah. 66" 44# @ 28". Right now I am shooting some old Buckbuster 45/60s out of it with inserts and 140 gr Magnus. And it's shooting good. I am enjoying it. Definite shooting style change for me. But the bow is so light and easy to carry and FUN!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Overspined on December 17, 2013, 11:53:00 AM
Great discussion. I measure brace as described from belly of shelf to the string.

Besides arrow velocity and all, it's curious how I have given the low brace a go without success, yet others can pull it off.  

It must have something to do with follow through and finger release characteristics/torque where the arrow's paradox aligns just right and allows for clean arrow flight.  I would bet the string/arrow reaction to the loose may be quite different from shooter to shooter. I tend to torque the string a little by pulling my ring finger outward a bit, I do notice when I clean that up arrow flight and accuracy is super clean.

I remember when I heard of a few shooters having success with low brace heights, I experimented until I was really frustrated and added some twists.

I haven't ever noticed large differences in arrow speed for brace adjustments, but I'm sure that could be different between bows/designs.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: centaur on December 17, 2013, 11:54:00 AM
Not to mention that Cheetahs are good looking.
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Love the look of juniper.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: far rider on December 17, 2013, 11:55:00 AM
You know what James, that is one of the most endearing things about Hills. Their simplicity and feather light feel. I've always thought Cheetahs were the nicest looking STOCK bows Craig makes. Hard to beat the juniper. They are also the softest shooting ones in the lineup in my opinion. At least mine is the gentlest one on my rack. Looks like an ebony riser? There is one for sale currently on TAS nearly identical but a bit heavier.
Great catch!

Tim
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Jacquesbonin on December 17, 2013, 11:56:00 AM
James,congrats,it won't be the only one you'll own! I have several more than I should,it becomes addictive, enjoy! Welcome to the Hill family! Jacques
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Overspined on December 17, 2013, 11:58:00 AM
Welcome nattybumpo!  Nice bow!!  Seems shooting styles with Hill style bows evolve for a very long time so stick with it.

With all the variables that we are able to change, what does the clan here think has made the biggest difference in accuracy using Hill style bows?

What about bow performance?
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: David Mitchell on December 17, 2013, 12:03:00 PM
Overspined, I can't pull off the low brace thing either so you are not alone.  Fact is, I hate it every time I have tried it! Go with what works for you--nobody, not even the bowyer, can predict what will work FOR YOU!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: far rider on December 17, 2013, 12:10:00 PM
IMO....which isn't worth a lot. I was having a discussion with a fellow a short while back, and we were discussing bow lengths, ie...66" vs 68" etc. His play was that shorter bows braced properly held more energy at the same draw all the way up to the arrow release than the longer bows. This makes sense since your tapping into more stored energy etc as you reach your anchor. I feel tiller has something to play in this also.

So, it would stand to reason (at least in my brain, scary), that a properly tillered bow for a certain length when braced perfect would expend it's peak energy into the arrow at the the perfect moment of the arrow leaving the string. So a higher than optimal brace would have the arrow leaving the string during the upward energy trend and prior to peak energy moment, and a low brace would be worse as the bow has now lost energy and the arrow is "pulling" the string for an instant.

Am I anywhere near the mark?

Of course there is also the variable of arrow weight, spine, and point weight. Seems that would change with different setups.

Tim
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Dave Thaxton on December 17, 2013, 01:17:00 PM
Very interesting reading the brace height thoughts and processes. Please allow me to divert attention for just a moment. Within the next week I will be ordering a new bow from Craig. Am I correct that the concensus is that the majority of Ekin Hills come in 4-5 #'s heavier than marked? Just wanting to  be sure about this before placing an order. Thanks for your reply.
Not new to Hill bows...just going home!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: canopyboy on December 17, 2013, 01:32:00 PM
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Originally posted by Nattybumppo:
...and FUN!
Darn tootin'!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: canopyboy on December 17, 2013, 01:34:00 PM
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Originally posted by Dave Thaxton:
Very interesting reading the brace height thoughts and processes. Please allow me to divert attention for just a moment. Within the next week I will be ordering a new bow from Craig. Am I correct that the concensus is that the majority of Ekin Hills come in 4-5 #'s heavier than marked? Just wanting to  be sure about this before placing an order. Thanks for your reply.
Not new to Hill bows...just going home!
For awhile that was definitely the case.  But I thought a few people have recently had them come in very close.  If it were important to me, I would express my concerns to Craig over the phone when I placed my order and get his opinion.  Otherwise, if you order down a few pounds and he nails it, you've got a bow lighter than you wanted... (Not always a bad thing.)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on December 17, 2013, 02:18:00 PM
I wonder with the Hills if it was the difference between the string they were tested with and the fast flight that guys put on later. Another good one bow weight. A friend of a friend bought a digital bow scale, it was perfect. You could read the number and everything. Problem was two 25 pound dumbells tied together weighed 53.85 pounds. On a tested balance scale they weighed 50 pounds.
About brace adjustments. On some bow designs,recurves, brace heights will not show as much speed differences. Far Rider is correct. Another odd thing that I have noticed. Bows that shoot nice with a lower brace, shoot a faster arrow than a longbow that needs a higher brace, even if both bows are set at the same brace height.  I think it has to do with the timing of when the limb is dumping its energy. Many times when guys need a higher than average brace for a particular bow, the culprit is arrow spine. They may have either chosen too stiff an arrow or their release is softer which requires a lower spine. As an example, I have two identical bows. The right hand one likes 1918s cut to 27" bop with anything from 125 screw ins to 160s glued onto glue-in adapters, which happen to be just a few grains heavier than 145 screw target points on the arrows with the screw-in insert.  The left hand bow only likes the 125 grain screw-ins if I make certain that my release is as hard as I can make it when I am in my back yard. When I go out stump shooting and I am shooting at 45 yard stuff, both bows like the same shaft set ups. In my back yard, I tend to shoot a bit soft left handed, even though when shooting a much heavier left/right hand bow I feel stronger left handed. My point is that there is a physical reason for everything. If you want to squeeze out some more speed and your bow is one of those that shoots a faster arrow with a lower brace, the problem could perhaps be solved by going to a softer arrow. I think that I get by with more tolerance with net length cedars than with aluminum or graphite arrows cut longer. My former Schulz would shoots everything from extra heavy for the spine tapered cedars from 75 pound spines all the way down to 60 pound spines. If I broke off a point I would just put on a blunt and I would still get good arrow flight with either arrow. When tried to set up a net length aluminum, I had to drop way down to a 2016 and then find much heavier points to make it work. The weight spread from target point to broadhead was too much, considering that the broahead arrows were 2018s with 160 grain broadheads, so I went back to cedars. Some bows shoot nice with a B50 string and some are horrible. When I find a bow that shoots nice with a B50, even if there are things that I like about what a fast flight does for it, I tend to prefer the B50. If I have a bow that will only shoot just good enough with a fast flight and is just horrible with a B50, the temptation to attack it with a file and sandpaper is at times overwhelming.  
How about that for a rant.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: typical2 on December 17, 2013, 03:08:00 PM
Anything in literature that tells what Howard set his brace at?
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on December 17, 2013, 03:47:00 PM
I have never read a specific measurement, Schulz said that Hill said the string should hit your armguard. Farrider, I do not think that the arrow would actually be pulling on the string, that would take a really tight nock. However, I saw a film back in the 70s of bows shooting. One that really struck me was a recurve that the string let go of the arrow before brace height in the act of shooting. It was pointed out, that particular bow was not only the loudest tested, but also the least accurate. A couple of bows on that film, drove the string nearly all the way to the grip. It seems that if a bow has all kinds of drive left at the end of the power stroke that it actually can unbend to less than brace, it could have a hand shock problem.  That is possibly why some longbows shoot so much better with a fast flight, that lack of stretch keeps the limbs from bottoming out. That also could be why on one of my favorite right hand longbows, that there is very little difference between a fast flight and a B50, my from a Hill blank yew. The limbs don't bottom out, nor do they let go of the arrow to soon. No, it is not for sale. I have found that for my R/D bows that are set closer to the max, show no noticable speed lost, there maybe some, but I cannot see it.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Overspined on December 17, 2013, 09:38:00 PM
A couple LB's I have are B50 only, and after tinkering with strings, I have to say its a really comfortable material to shoot. It's quiet with a lower pitch "sound", if you call it that, and has a soft feel in the fingers. That said, I still tend to shoot skinny 6 strand 450+ strings on most LB's. Now it's about arrow spine more than anything else because I'd have to re-tune.

Pavan, good point on the bow scales.  They often aren't calibrated.  The last two HHA bows I had were 50/50. One was good, the other 4# heavier than stated. They will fix it if a mistake was made.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 17, 2013, 11:13:00 PM
I'm in the  boat with Matt in that I just can't shoot a real low BH.
I rarely take an exact measurement on my BH actually. I set it a touch above my fistmele to start. From there I tune up my arrow and head weight of choice.  If I see something in flight I don't care for I will raise or lower my BH accordingly. Wherever it lands , it lands and I don't think anymore into it. I'm more concerned with optimal arrow flight and ill adjust accordingly,
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 17, 2013, 11:16:00 PM
Oh, the same can be said for my nock height. I always start around 1/2".  If I notice flight issue, I adjust from there but never actually remeasure it as the number does not concern me, all that matters is a beautifully flying arrow. It always ends up within an 1/8" of my starting point
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: far rider on December 18, 2013, 01:47:00 AM
Pavan, I guess I spoke too literally about the arrow puling the string. What I was trying to convey was that the moment the string ie, the limbs have peaked and begin to rapidly diminish it's speed, the arrow is now moving faster than the string, but the string is still moving forward along with it. A moment later the arrow pulls away from the string. I would think a low brace would create a sort of plucking as it left and the string begins to vibrate out of it's straight line. With a higher brace, the arrow should leave the string cleaner, but could be slower because you haven't let the limbs peak before loosing the arrow.

Hey guys, I may be WAY off here, as my post is far more of a question than advice or opinion. When I throw my two cents in, I usually owe somebody some change.
Tim
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on December 18, 2013, 02:27:00 AM
Well Tim, I think this brace thing all depends on the bow and the arrow. The Howard Hill recomendation is 6.5" for the 70" model and 6.25" for the 66" model. Now with the Schulz reflex bows he says a half to a quarter inch less, but that is also understandable. The Schulz bows have thicker cores and lighter tips, could add to the stability and those end of the shot reactions as you mentioned. I have seen 5 lam Hills that shot just as good at lower brace settings and I have seen Hills that preferred what Hill company guide lines say.  It all depends on the release and mostly the arrow. If one needs to really go with much higher brace, I would bet that a lower spined arrow would fly with a standard brace.  I think Hill style bows like wood shafts that are not extra long.  I helped a friend out with a new Hill. He showed up with a dozen 65# cedars that were ten pounds over the bow weight and a set of six graphites with a variety of inserts and points. The first thing I saw was that his graphite arrows were skidding hard on his arrow shelf. His cedars were way too stiff and flew loggy. We checked his nock and his brace. Lightend up the graphites, added weight, shortened one,(he hated doing that).  Finally I got out some 50 pound arrows that were nearly net length for him. Close. Then I had him try a couple of my wifes 45 pound cedars, also nearly net for him, perfect. I had some of those that were uncut so I made a couple that would have some finger clearance with 125 heads, a bit of a kick. Brought his brace down to 6&1/8", perfect. He ended up getting 45-50 with 145 grain heads to match his Grizzly broadheads and they were perfect at a 6&1/8" brace. I suppose if he would have screwed the brace up to 6&3/8", he could have gone to 50-55 arrows and lined right up with the Hill suggestions for a 68" bow, 6&3/8" plus or minus an 1/8". In this case the shooter was a very good consistent shooter and it was possible to try to split hairs. I don't really think that it always needs to be all that complicated if the arrows are proper length cedars and not too stiff for the bow, a variety of brace settings would probably get the same results.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on December 18, 2013, 06:34:00 AM
I received a Morningstar last week from James.  I scaled it at a local bowshop and it was 2.25 pounds heavier than marked.  James and I had a conversation about a couple of things and I brought this up.....he said the bow weighs one pound, then the marking arrow (not much), and my own hand pressure would have accounted for that.  He says have someone rezero the scale once you're set to pull.  Good advice.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on December 18, 2013, 09:11:00 AM
What was that old thing? If you hang the bow by the string on the scale, that represents how far the bow would be drawn to achieve that much poundage.  So if you hang a 5 pound compound by the string, that little bit of draw and that first reading, only represents five pounds draw force and the weight of the bow is negated.  Another thing to add, the wood duber that the string goes around on the scale, if it the older larger size or the newer small ones, can make a slightly different reading as well. If it was just the hook that doesn't equate to what fingers would do on a bow string either. The hook makes a sharper corner than fingers do and fingers can make a sharper bend than the larger wood duber.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: jsparky93 on December 18, 2013, 10:35:00 PM
Well The HH Bug Got me my Big Five arried yesterday & I couldnt be more pleased.

Shedua riser with Carmelized boo under clear glass 66" 55# @26".

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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: cahaba on December 18, 2013, 10:51:00 PM
Congrats jsparky93 That's one beautiful Hill. The Shedua riser looks awesome. How does she shoot for you.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: jsparky93 on December 18, 2013, 10:59:00 PM
I am really liking it. I wish I had tried one sooner.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 18, 2013, 11:18:00 PM
Beautiful bow sparky!!!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Overspined on December 19, 2013, 01:42:00 AM
Great looking bow!  It should only get better!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on December 19, 2013, 05:33:00 AM
Congrats Sparky.  See you in about a week when you decide to put it down again.     :D
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: David Mitchell on December 19, 2013, 09:54:00 AM
Regarding the draw weight on Hills.  I have had a few come in heavier than marked/ordered by 4-5#.  That said, however, the last one I ordered was dead on as marked. Hope that continues to be the case. Love those Hills!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: far rider on December 19, 2013, 11:49:00 AM
The Big 5 I had (sold to GRS) was probably the most accurate and well tuned bow I had, so naturally it would make sense to sell it. I like that carmel boo, nice, nice.
Another bow I should have kept and hunted and never bought another one....derp.

Tim
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Overspined on December 19, 2013, 01:00:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by far rider:
The Big 5 I had (sold to GRS) was probably the most accurate and well tuned bow I had, so naturally it would make sense to sell it. I like that carmel boo, nice, nice.
Another bow I should have kept and hunted and never bought another one....derp.

Tim
So funny. There are a couple out there I wish I had back as well!  Always seems like a good idea at the time...
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Richard Rounds on December 19, 2013, 02:14:00 PM
Just traded off a Crocodile. Kinda puked in my mouth a little as I dropped it off at the post office   :(
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: far rider on December 20, 2013, 06:22:00 PM
Oh  man!!! That is one on my list. Gotta try an Osage bow soon. I also traded a pristine ebony riser black glass belly and back Wesley about the same time that I get a little nauseous over every time I scroll through my longbow pictures. Didn't have a mark on it, had Craig add buffalo horn tips to it....then traded it for another Wesley that I promptly sold. My reasoning for that one was it was heavier than my other Hills. I sure wish I had that one back.    :banghead:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: jsparky93 on December 20, 2013, 07:01:00 PM
I just recieved my Big Five a few days ago & I have already decided that a Crocodile will be my next one.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Vesty on December 20, 2013, 09:15:00 PM
I just need to chime in here and give a major thumbs up for the Two Tracks Echo. It is a Hill style string follow longbow that is a relative newcomer on the scene but is rapidly gaining a reputation from those who have shot one. If you get a chance, shoot one. Two Tracks will be at the K-zoo Expo. Stop by Chuck's booth and give one a test drive.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Linwood Hines on December 20, 2013, 11:50:00 PM
I'm way behind and trying to catch up to all of the discussions.  First, I'd like to strut about my new LB - a Jet Warthog!  Just received yesterday, and well, the good ol' new bow god was watching and said let's give him a thrill - as you'll see in the pic of my first shot!  Now that I'm really rattled - I'll never do THAT again - but it shoots GOOD!  I HOPE I CAN load the pics properly...so now, y'all have pushed me one step farther into HHstyle LB heaven, thank you gentlemen, and I add this new one to my HH Wesley and Scirocco.  They are all working good for me - heck they're better bows than I am shooter - but they forgive nicely!  (http://")  (http://")
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Dan bree on December 21, 2013, 08:55:00 AM
Linwood . What happend?    I have the leopard  67inch 52@28 yew limbs. Birdseye maple riser  great bow . Wish I could do photos . I was thinking of getting the warthog?  Good luck on the bow. Merry Christmas and happy new year .
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Bud B. on December 21, 2013, 10:01:00 AM
Linwood's bow pic

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 (http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg331/lshines/IMG_0744_zpsfd148f5f.jpg)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Dan bree on December 21, 2013, 11:06:00 AM
Thanks.bud b.  I'm sorry I looked. I have to call joel. Is that  yew over bamboo ?
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Linwood Hines on December 21, 2013, 12:41:00 PM
THANK YOU BUD B! I never can seem to catch the proper code/url to get these pics to work, so thanks for correcting for me and posting.

Yes, yew over bamboo.  I think it's classic gorgeous!

This bow shoots QUICK!  Smooth tho!  There's a "snap" that seems to accelerate the arrow, not just a linear acceleration that I'm use to - or maybe it's just my excitement with a new bow.  The Surewood Shafts that I got seem to work well with all three HHstyle bows I have - AND the weather here is superb - 70+ degrees - and I'm going stump shooting!  Merry Christmas!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: SlowBowinMO on December 21, 2013, 01:05:00 PM
Nice Jet!  I like those a lot.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on December 21, 2013, 01:43:00 PM
In my shift to left hand I was thinking about selling my dark male yew over bamboo, everyone should have a yew over bamboo. I may have to keep mine. I would like to see pics of all of the bow.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: jsparky93 on December 21, 2013, 01:50:00 PM
That is a nice looking bow. I had looked at those before but he doesn't list any base prices on the web site. I guess I just like to know what im getting into before I make a call. None the less that's a beauty!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Ken Babicky on December 21, 2013, 02:09:00 PM
Well I couldn't take it anymore! I spoke to Craig yesterday and ordered my third Hill in the past ten or eleven years.

I have been struggling for the last month between getting the Redman or the Cheetah. I stayed pretty basic but went with a Redman, LH, 68”, 55# @28”, clear glass, cocobolo riser, large locator grip with laced elk hide. My first Hill was a 70" Wesley which I still have, the 2nd a 66" Big Five. Now the wait, which isn't bad.  With the Holidays he said it would probably be about four weeks.

Tick tock tick tock...
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: jsparky93 on December 21, 2013, 02:30:00 PM
Sounds like that is gonna be a real looker too. Craig's wait time is as short as I have ever had on a custom bow. Mine took just over 3 weeks with the Thanksgiving Holiday thrown in there.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: SlowBowinMO on December 21, 2013, 03:02:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by jsparky93:
That is a nice looking bow. I had looked at those before but he doesn't list any base prices on the web site. I guess I just like to know what im getting into before I make a call. None the less that's a beauty!
I saw on another site they were priced about the same as most, $550.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 21, 2013, 03:03:00 PM
Beautiful looking bow!!!!!  
What's the shelve cut to?
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: far rider on December 21, 2013, 03:47:00 PM
JD Berry North star in the house......more to come!
No time presently to shoot it. Gonna run some arrows through it this evening or tomorrow, and she's headed to the woods Monday to see if I can put some Mojo in it!

Tim
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: jsparky93 on December 21, 2013, 03:49:00 PM
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Originally posted by Braveheart Archery:
 
Quote
Originally posted by jsparky93:
That is a nice looking bow. I had looked at those before but he doesn't list any base prices on the web site. I guess I just like to know what im getting into before I make a call. None the less that's a beauty!
I saw on another site they were priced about the same as most, $550. [/b]
Now that you mention it I remember seeing that post. Anyway I emailed Joel & recieved an answer in less than 1/2 an hour.Base price $550. Koa wood in the handle is an additional $30.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 21, 2013, 04:12:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by far rider:
JD Berry North star in the house......more to come!
No time presently to shoot it. Gonna run some arrows through it this evening or tomorrow, and she's headed to the woods Monday to see if I can put some Mojo in it!

Tim
Tim,
Glad to hear it made it. I know the holidays slowed it il up a bit for ya.  Look forward to hearing how you like the reverse handle.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mudd on December 21, 2013, 06:22:00 PM
Tim I think your world just took a turn...all for the better my friend.

I look forward to pictures and your take on how it works for you.

Congratulations!!

Merry Christmas and God bless, Mudd
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Paul_R on December 22, 2013, 12:59:00 PM
It took a while but I finally got bit.

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Left: Big River, 66" 50#@28"
Right 7 Lakes, 68" 49#@28"

Got both of these right here in the TragGang classifieds. The Big River has even been pictured in this very thread by it's previous owner!    :D

I put new grip leather on both of these. I like a rim at the top, especially with a straight grip and I used leather to build depth to fit my XL hand. And I like a clean seam with no laces.

Kinda proud of how the 7 Lakes turned out, I added 1/4" of depth on that one (leather strips on back and belly under the wrap).

Before at 1 7/8" deep
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After at 2 1/8" deep
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 22, 2013, 02:02:00 PM
Outstanding job Paul.  Not only picking up two beautiful LEFTIES (a feat no less) but the grip work is very nice.

I love how you did the rim up top.
It would be great for you to do a little tutorial on how you did it (with pics) for others who may like to duplicate that.  

Again congrats
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Post by: Paul_R on December 22, 2013, 02:38:00 PM
Thanks Brian.  The tutorial has already been done by Mr Eric Krewson.

   Tutorial (http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=000052)  

The only thing I did different was cement leather strips the length and width of the grip to the back and belly of the bow. I feathered the edges in place with a sanding block. A belt sander is a lot faster if you're skilled (and brave).
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: bsv on December 22, 2013, 03:17:00 PM
I took advantage of our (heat-wave) today and took my Echo stumpin,It got to about 45deg,what a pleasure it was it go out with a BEAUTIFUL Hill Style bow! I'm soooo glad I was bitten by this bug!
Burt
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 22, 2013, 03:34:00 PM
Paul,
Thanks for the link.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Bud B. on December 22, 2013, 11:56:00 PM
Glad to have helped Linwood. I think the pics may have caused others, including myself, to look closer at Jet bows.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: jwhitetail on December 23, 2013, 12:27:00 PM
Late in looking on this thread but I have to comment on that beautiful Yew over boo on your Jet Warthog, Linwood!  Love that yew wood... my personal favorite.  That is a pretty bow.

Tim, have fun with that NorthStar.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Knapper on December 23, 2013, 04:14:00 PM
When is the HH hunt in Georgia?  Where is information?

Thanks

Tom
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: far rider on December 23, 2013, 05:18:00 PM
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Originally posted by Knapper:
When is the HH hunt in Georgia?  Where is information?

Thanks

Tom
http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=128184

There ya go Tom
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Blaino on December 23, 2013, 08:57:00 PM
Them Jet bows have gotten my attention! Nice bow Linwood.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Linwood Hines on December 24, 2013, 12:01:00 AM
Thanks guys - yea, I think it's pretty!  Joel did a great job on it!  I'm ENJOYING shooting it - you should see the bunch of stumps I've harvested!  pulling the arrow out of one, I glanced up and saw this big ol' gobbler staring at me about 30 yds away.  Of course, as soon as I nocked an arrow that bird took OFF.  He missed me by a mile!  I'll try to get better pics after Christmas, maybe with a four hoofed critter in the pic.  As I mentioned above, this bow is fast!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Linwood Hines on December 24, 2013, 12:03:00 AM
Merry Christmas to everyone!  I hope we'll meet sometime in the woods and fling some arrows.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: sticksnstones on December 24, 2013, 07:08:00 AM
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Originally posted by Blaino:
Them Jet bows have gotten my attention! Nice bow Linwood.
Hey Blaine, I'll have mine at the hog hunt next month. Bring arrows and shoot it all you want. It's the yew string follow, RH 69" 51@29.

Now it's time to go climb a tree, Merry Christmas everyone!
Thom
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: subsonic on December 24, 2013, 07:49:00 PM
I have a JET Leopard and really enjoy it.  A lot of fun to shoot.  There is something about that bow.  It is different from the other Hill style bows that I own.  Can't really put my finger on it.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Dan bree on December 25, 2013, 11:27:00 AM
Merry Christmas to all and please leave joel alone he's going to be working on my second  one .a warthog.  Pluck  yew !  Yew and boo
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mudd on December 26, 2013, 08:55:00 AM
Backpacker was getting a chance to try out the "Amazon Queen", a JD Berry "Northstar".

I think she was a hit!!

 (http:// [url=http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/photo_zpscd47f6a7.jpg.html]  [img]http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/photo_zpscd47f6a7.jpg)[/url] [/IMG]

Happy New Year!!

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on December 27, 2013, 01:33:00 PM
Monday, a bit of a sore throat. Tuesday, a bad sore throat. Wednesday, the Niagra Falls of all noses. Thursday, nose dried up, sore throat gone, right bronchial plugging up. Friday, just a bit tired, no major symptoms at all, its nice out. Should I be on here or out trying to shoot a doe?  Will this thread still be going when my Morningstar arrives in the spring? Will I find any deer after the gun season wreaked its havoc? Maybe I could just grab a bow and take a ride and see what is out there, I don't need to commit to anything. Waiting for new bows is harder than people think.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: katman on December 27, 2013, 01:50:00 PM
I hear you on waiting for bows, closer the time gets the harder it is.

Still on the fence between the Morning Star and North Star, anyone have/shot both and could post there thoughts? I am on JD's build list but have some time to go AARRGG.   :help:  

Mudd, a direct hit I would say.    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 27, 2013, 01:55:00 PM
Pavan,
Get in the woods!!!!!!!! You can be sick when the sun goes down  :)


Katman,
I own both the Morningstar and the Northstar. It's not a fair comparison on my side as the MS is 68" and 50@26 and the NS is 62" and 54@26 BUT they are both AWSOME.

What it will boil down to is if you prefer backset or stringfollow. Myself, I'm a backset fan. I like the feel on draw and release a little better, the Northstar is softer at the beginning of the draw and softer on release. They both handle and shoot great.  The stringfollow is easier to string  :) .

I would trade either.  The Northstar was ordered for some of my tighter hunting areas and the Morningstar is my everything from hunting to 3D to indoor 300 bow.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 27, 2013, 02:11:00 PM
Well its official. I finally quit my job yesterday  YES!!!!!!!!

To much traveling for this family man.  I have my new job scheduled to start in the next few weeks back home so I am taking some well needed family time this weekend. Monday the kids are back to school and mama is working so I will be wondering around the woods for the first time in 2 seasons.

the JD Berry Morningstar has be selected as starting lineup and if all  goes well I may be able to put some fur on the ground. If not, then the solitude of the woods with my straightlimbed bow will be reward enough.  

Took some shots this morning with my broad heads and were looking spot on out to 30 so all that awaits is a critter who deaf and blind to let me get close enough.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: katman on December 27, 2013, 02:14:00 PM
Exactly what I was looking for Pavan, thanks so much. Keep them coming guys/gals. I think you meant would NOT trade either.

So the northstar can be had in a shorter length than the morning star and still be a stable shooter without finger pinch?

JD and I will talk this over since I draw 29. Need to find some to shoot.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Rossco7002 on December 27, 2013, 02:28:00 PM
Enjoy Brian! Well deserved.

I'm out for my last whitetail hunt of the season tomorrow. Set to be a beautiful day in the woods!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: far rider on December 27, 2013, 02:37:00 PM
Dang Pavan, me too! Little better today, gonna hit it for a few hours this evening, and tomorrow. Running short now, but no regrets. I've spent more time in the woods this year than in many past, and I've soaked up some valuable time with my family too. Dry year, but an oh so rewarding one.

Tim
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mudd on December 27, 2013, 02:54:00 PM
I am so proud of you Brian for putting your family 1st.

Good on you brother!!

Pavan I expect to see some blood.

God bless and Happy New Year, Mudd
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 27, 2013, 02:56:00 PM
Katman,
James specifically designed the Northstar for people wanting to shoot straightlimbed bows and maintain the balance point ability smoothness etc that we all love in this style but want them shorter for right quarters and tree stands,

Well I'm hear to say he nailed it
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on December 27, 2013, 08:04:00 PM
No does tonight, I shot at a squirrel, missed his little head by that much. I don't photograph well, so I don't take pictures often of myself or my game taken. I wanted to post a pic of my wife's buck, but she would have no part of that.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on December 27, 2013, 08:15:00 PM
Sounds like you've got your time planned well Brian!  Good luck on Monday.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: far rider on December 27, 2013, 09:08:00 PM
Well, cut away for a couple of hours this evening, and once again mother nature proved that I am only an intruder amongst its inhabitants. Sitting in my blind reading one of my Christmas presents,"Longbows In The North", when the witching hour came. I glance up to my left and slowly realize that I'm looking at a mature doe standing at the edge of the woodlot I'm in. She's about 75 yards away, but has  clear line of sight on me.
I have no idea how long she has been there or if she has been preceded by others that I am yet unaware of. I do my best impression of a tree for the moment and she seems satisfied enough to continue her stroll into the wood lot on a path that I hope will bring her within crock pot range.

My Redman is across my lap, my arrows close enough, so I quickly pluck a Zwickey tipped cedar, nock it and resume my vigil. There are more now, seven in total that I know of, milling around and nibbling on grass.

Did I mention that I quickly grabbed my arrow? Well, maybe a little too quickly. As I'm watching them graze, one or possibly more have been watching me. I wasn't hid nearly as well as I thought, and they let me know it by waving bye, bye as they returned from whence they came.

Oh well, it was still an awesome day, and an appreciated departure after more than two weeks hiatus, the holiday rush, working on Christmas day, and a bad cold. Woo hoo!

By the way, for those that have not E. Donnall Thomas Jr.'s book, it is an excellent read.

Tim
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: katman on December 28, 2013, 03:04:00 PM
"Well I'm hear to say he nailed it" very good to hear Brian, thanks for the info. Tough decision but if I don't get rid of this 'infection' I will probably end up with both.

Keep at it Pavan and good luck to you.

Farrider, Love Mr. Thomas's writing also. The deer get quite skiddish at season s end. At least you saw deer during daylight. Keep at it and make some meat with that Northstar.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Swamp Yankee on December 28, 2013, 03:52:00 PM
After an almost 2 year hiatus from shooting I'm finally back to it with a new Northern Mist Superior that's been collecting dust.  Nice shooter!  Birdseye Maple handle and tips over bamboo lams with green glass.
  (http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll48/danking49/Superior1.jpg) (http://s285.photobucket.com/user/danking49/media/Superior1.jpg.html)
  (http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll48/danking49/Superior2.jpg) (http://s285.photobucket.com/user/danking49/media/Superior2.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 28, 2013, 03:58:00 PM
Pretty bow there!!! Jump right back in
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: threeunder on December 28, 2013, 04:09:00 PM
Question for Howard Hill Archery gurus.

I know this is purely subjective, but was wondering how different the draw feels between a HH Big 5 and the Wesley Special.

Is there a gain in smoothness with that 5th lamination?

I've got a 66" Big 5 and am thinking about ordering a 68" Wesley Special in hopes of getting a bit smoother draw.  I draw 27 1/2" and realize I probably need a 68" bow.

I own 2 68" NM bows (Classic and Shelton) and the draw on the Shelton will spoil a fellow...LOL

I really, REALLY like the Big 5 I have, but the draw just isn't hardly as smooth as I'd like.

Thanks
Ken
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 28, 2013, 04:25:00 PM
Personally I think the biggest difference you are feeling is from the backset (big5) vs the stringfollow ( shelton)

I have a misty dawn (stringfollow) and vixen (backset) and the stringfollow is smoother on draw
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: threeunder on December 28, 2013, 04:57:00 PM
Will Craig build a string follow Wesley Special?
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Rossco7002 on December 28, 2013, 05:02:00 PM
Sure will!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Gordon Jabben on December 28, 2013, 05:27:00 PM
Swamp Yankee, I just traded for a Northern Mist Superior like yours with the green glass.  To me, it's the most beautiful bow I have ever seen.  With the bamboo core, it is light as a feather. Haven't got to shoot it much yet.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 28, 2013, 05:59:00 PM
Gordon,
What's the specs on your new superior (which is an r/d bow)?
I had one, bocote riser and tips. 56@28 wondering if its my old one
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Gordon Jabben on December 28, 2013, 06:04:00 PM
Brian, I think I have your old bow.  It is so pretty, a couple of buddies want it if I decide to get rid of it.  Any information on this bow would be appreciated.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 28, 2013, 06:13:00 PM
Ill PM ya.
If you search it you will see some pics I posted.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Gordon Jabben on December 28, 2013, 06:23:00 PM
Thanks Brian
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: far rider on December 28, 2013, 07:56:00 PM
threeunder,
As Rossco stated, Craig will build any of his bows with up to 1" of string follow, or swing it the other way with 1" of backset.

Tim
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: far rider on December 29, 2013, 07:33:00 PM
Well, after a really busy week....I finally had a chance this evening to run a few arrows through my new to me North Star.
One thing I noticed immediately was how narrow the limbs and tips are as compared to other ASLs I've owned. The tips are so small that I had trouble using my stringer, as it was stretched to fit my Hills.
Deep, thin, straight grip, that took a little getting used to. Not in a bad way, just different than my HHAs.
I'm gonna need some new cedars though as these are a little light in spine. The accuracy was better with the 55/75 GTs with the same 145 up front, but created a bit more noise. Not sure how the total weight compares on the two, but I would guess the cedars to be a bit heavier overall.

Very smooth on the draw which I would expect from a forward riser string follow bow, but the different grip was causing me some torquing issues until I figured it out. Its marked 56@29, but draws like a 50#.

I definitely need to spend more time with it and get it tuned properly, and probably need to go up one spine on a set of woodies.

It has a B-50 the previous owner made up, but I feel like it would respond a little better to a FF.
I think I'm going to get along with it just fine when I get it tuned up.

Tim
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on December 29, 2013, 11:39:00 PM
For my Morningstar James agreed to try to duplicate my favorite grip, an asymetrical straight.  That is, a straight oval grip that is slightly soft to the bowhand, but feels slightly sharp when it is in the wrong hand.  For me, it puts the bow into the palm without adding torque or sliding and the thumb does not have to reach around any kind of a bulge. The slightly sharper part of the grip, lands on the meaty of the thumb, causes no discomfort, but does help with grip consistancy. It is easy to explain, but difficult to blue print off of another bow, the difference is very subtle.  I may make one from styrofoam for him to copy.
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Post by: far rider on December 30, 2013, 02:08:00 AM
Pavan,
That sounds very much like the grip on my North Star. Very thin, and just felt very different than the Hill grips I'm used to. Not in a bad way, just different. I did like it though, but it took me a little while to "come to grips" with it....uh, yeah? I couldn't believe how much narrower the limbs and tips are beside my Hills.

I'm not ready to jump ship from my Hills yet, but it definitely has my attention.

Tim
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Post by: Rossco7002 on December 30, 2013, 10:15:00 AM
Limb tips from HHA seem to be consistently larger than the offerings of other Hill style bowyers - I'm unsure why or what (if any) difference it makes. I do know that one of my fastest bows is a John Schulz American longbow that has tips so small you'd swear they should just sheer right off. On the lower limb it is about the size of a knitting needle head - crazy small....
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on December 30, 2013, 11:51:00 AM
One thing about forward a riser is that the bows are more torque forgivng, thus a leaner limb is possible. With the Schulz bows, twist resistance was built into the limb with core taper and the tiller. However, with a Schulz it is possible to break those skinny tips if you slip on frosty leafy stuff and accidently use the bow to break your fall.
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Post by: cahaba on December 30, 2013, 12:22:00 PM
pavan my grip on my Shelton is made like that. At first I thought I wasn't going to like it. I thought it was to sharp. After shooting it awhile it has became my favorite grip profile. It is almost impossible to torque the limbs and for some reason the grip falls in the same place each time. It also is very comfortable on my bow hand.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 30, 2013, 02:46:00 PM
well I made it out to the woods today. It was brutally cold, and since I haven't been around lately to take care of the land it is hard moving but I did wind up doing some stumping.

Here is a pic I managed to get before my fingers froze off..

The Morningstar in its native habitat
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Post by: Rossco7002 on December 30, 2013, 04:54:00 PM
Glad you got out Brian! I think your version of brutally cold and mine may be slightly different though - Saturday was my last hunt of the season and it saw me wading through thigh deep snow to get to my stand..... I really wish I could relocate to Texas or Georgia or anywhere else that has good bowhunting and non-crappy winters....
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Post by: pavan on December 30, 2013, 06:12:00 PM
The last time that I hunted in butt deep snow, I took a white tarp as a wind protector and started a stick fire so I wouldn't die. I also had to get a stand out, I swore I would never put a stand in that far from the road again. The only animals I saw were downy woodpeckers and a sick moose.  This happened way south of Canada, Iowa.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 30, 2013, 07:29:00 PM
Rossco,
You are very very correct. Our ideas of brutally cold are very different. Lol. But it was too cold for me for sure. You would haw probably been in shorts and a Hawaian shirt ha
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Rossco7002 on December 30, 2013, 08:56:00 PM
It can be beautiful up here during the late season - last year was amazing. Snow but not insanely cold - picturesque, easy to read sign... Very nice.

This season, we've been consistently at -20F or lower for most of December. It was not cool (pardon the pun).... Layer after layer of clothing. Drastically reduced game movement... Painful stand sits and impossible to still hunt. Demoralizing.

My trip to the Hog Hunt in Georgia last February pretty much confirmed what I already knew. Milder temps and the chance to tread the woods, Hill bow in hand with light wool and flannel really is the way to go. 12 years til retirement.... Lol
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Post by: Green on December 30, 2013, 09:29:00 PM
Nice pic Brian.  Glad you were finally able to get out and enjoy a day in the woods.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 30, 2013, 09:52:00 PM
Thanks Rob.

That is one of the hundreds of Osage Oragnes that dominate this particular woodlot.  They get to doing some crazy grows.  When it warms up I'm gonna take the kids for a hike and do a pictorial of all the different Osage trees and their gnarly shapes on this land.
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Post by: Overspined on December 30, 2013, 10:23:00 PM
Osage is a mystical wood, from the trees to the wood that's bright yellow to chocolate...the THUMP of an Osage orange always gets me charged up.

A lot of shooters really don't like the sharp grip on the belly side of the bow, and it can be too sharp if the bowyer isn't careful, but you do get used to a good one in a little time and it's easy to see why it's so good at reducing torque with a normal Hill style bow. My favorite is not quite 2" deep and maybe an 1" wide, with a thicker back than belly in a nice wedge.  I think there are those that can shoot any grip, but many folks benefit with certain designs that promote good form, as Pavan explained why he has a preference.

BTW, Good luck out there Brian, it's absolutely frigid in MI and I'm sure where you are as well!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on December 31, 2013, 12:00:00 AM
I am comitted to being a one bow one James Berry Morningstar hunter. Now, if I don't get that bow by turkey season, I am not going turkey hunting. I am going crappie fishing instead.  If our woods gets overrun with an overpopulation of turkeys, it will be James's fault not mine.  If that bow is not here by Memorial Day, I am going to load up my canoe and take my wife lake trout fishing in the BWCA.  It will be here by the 4th of July, so I won't have to go watch fire works. I hate all of that stinky noise.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: RC on December 31, 2013, 01:13:00 AM
First I gotta thank you fellas for the help you gave on my first Hill style bow. I`m planning on building another with a change or two.
  I built the first with Action -boo and I`m thinking about building one from either maple or elm. I also will try to get it to come out with maybe 1/2" of backset. My first was string follow and shoots good but it is not a speedy one for sure. I have owned near a dozen Hill bows so I do have a feel of how swift one should shoot.I know speed don`t kill but an arrow of the same weight going faster will penetrate best.
  Here is my questions...Do you guys see a difference in cast from  maple,red elm or boo?
Also does anyone have any idea how much string follow takes away from performance compare to a backset of the same pounds. Thanks,RC.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on December 31, 2013, 01:37:00 AM
At one time one of us had a Hill Mountain Man, a maple. It was 58 at 28. It required a 50 pound max spine arrow 28.5" bop for his 27.5" draw. 45 was better with a Delta broadhead. It had about the same cast as my 51@ 26" Big 5. At the same draw length with the same arrows, the Big 5 was considerably faster.  I took two shots with the all elm Hill model, it did not seem any different than a bamboo model to me. We had a maple/bubinga Armbruster Zebra, 70" and 72@28", it was a great bow.
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Post by: David Mitchell on December 31, 2013, 09:13:00 AM
RC, Steve Turay of Northern Mist says his string follow model is only 4-5 fps slower than his slight back set model.  As for performance, I have a Dave Paxton Talon I have owned for years that is all red elm and as good a shooter as I have ever had as is my all red elm Dave Wallace built Wallace Mountain longbow.  Those red elm bows seem to my eye to shoot as well as my boo bows.  My Northern Mist Classic is made with American elm cores and is a fine shooter as well.  I am sort of partial to elm as a core wood.
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Post by: ron w on January 02, 2014, 04:42:00 PM
On page 3 .........what the heck...lol!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 02, 2014, 05:24:00 PM
If my pics ever upload to photo bucket ill add something in a bit
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 02, 2014, 05:40:00 PM
went small game hunting today, which turned into stumping because apparently even the animals were smart enough to not get out in this wind and cold!!!!!

the uniform of the day was JD Berry Morningstar with western larch shafts and my new hip quiver.  (hip quiver will be a story of its own)  (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/quiver/null_zpsb5b6f9d0.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/quiver/null_zpsb5b6f9d0.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 02, 2014, 05:43:00 PM
western larch shafts were bought from Koontenai river archery, a sponsor here and I really really like them. ( i still prefer carbons, but please don't shoot me  :)   )
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we got a fresh 3" last night, i got to woods around 11 and this was practically the only tracks I found after walking thru 25 acre of land. Not much was moving
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 02, 2014, 05:47:00 PM
this is just to show how thick it is here. a few tornados and being gone for a couple years of woods maintenance and its overgrown with kudzu, multiflora and japanese honeysuckle.  Perfect rabbit habitat, but too perfect so you hardly ever get to see them.  (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF0990_zps35cd9f83.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF0990_zps35cd9f83.jpg.html)

this is right at the entrance to the woods.  Corn field behind there.  This mound of dirt was one of my victims.   (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF0993_zpsf58bcd43.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF0993_zpsf58bcd43.jpg.html)

same mound, different angle. Shot was 45 yards  (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF0998_zpsbea28e39.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF0998_zpsbea28e39.jpg.html)
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this shot from 15 yards  (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF0999_zps79de4535.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF0999_zps79de4535.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 02, 2014, 05:48:00 PM
squirrels get desperate and start eating the hedge apples
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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 02, 2014, 05:50:00 PM
my weaponry
  (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF1002_zpsd9f1b682.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF1002_zpsd9f1b682.jpg.html)

This quiver has answered my prayers on finding the perfect hunting/3d quiver.

silent when moving, doesn't hang up on anything, you can slip thru the thickest of thickest and it just rides along.  Arrows do not rattle one bit.  I have found quiver nirvana.
  (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF1003_zpsb34ab641.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF1003_zpsb34ab641.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: RC on January 02, 2014, 05:51:00 PM
Nice pics.. Rain all day here and I`m bout to bust to shoot some.
  I really am starting to like those reverse handle bows. I may try to throw one together sometime.RC
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 02, 2014, 05:53:00 PM
and a parting shot from the ridge line
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Thanks RC.  You really should, I think you will be very happy with the outcome.
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Post by: katman on January 02, 2014, 06:52:00 PM
Beautiful, thank Brian.
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Post by: Green on January 02, 2014, 07:01:00 PM
Thanks for the pics Brian......looks like a beautiful place.
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Post by: ron w on January 02, 2014, 07:15:00 PM
Didn't know Kudzu was that far north......Nice photos. I really like forward handle bows. I have a N.M. Whisper that is nice to shoot. Those Morningstars look nice.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Paul_R on January 03, 2014, 11:08:00 AM
Some of you may be familiar with this bow, it's a new (to me) Kramer made Big 5. I just got it yesterday from a fellow TradGanger. 66" 52#@28" and a whopping 1-7/8" of set back. I expected loads of shock to match and imagine my surprise to find that it just isn't there! Very little shock, almost none and nothing like the elbow jarring thump I get with my Big River with the exact same specs and less than half the set back!

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And I think it likes me too, look how well it did with the first four shots at 18 yards using the set up exactly as it came out of the box (good job Mike Walker and thanks again!)

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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on January 03, 2014, 12:13:00 PM
That hand shock thing is illusive. I had a 64" 60 pound bigriver that had less hand shock than my Super Kodiak.  I gave it to a former family member that sold it, I have seen it come for sale a couple of times. I had an 89@27 Kramer Big 5 that could change the color of your eyeballs and was quite slow, but for some reason I had a higher rabbit and pheasant hit to shot ratio with that bow than anything else. Then last year i bought a Kramer Razorbac for a kid. To my surprise, no hand shock and it was quick. It had a very sexy tiller job and had perfectly balanced limbs.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 03, 2014, 01:50:00 PM
Nice looking bow there!!!! Looks like you two will get along quite well!!!
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Post by: far rider on January 03, 2014, 04:40:00 PM
Paul,
It appears to have found a forever home, and looks as if it has settled in quite well!
   :archer:  
Tim
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: cahaba on January 03, 2014, 11:02:00 PM
Glad you got some hunting time in Brian. Thanks for the great pics.
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Post by: ChuckC on January 04, 2014, 08:08:00 PM
What kind of brace height are you using for these bows.  I just finished building my first and find a lot a room for improvements, especially in tiller.

ChuckC
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: WESTBROOK on January 04, 2014, 10:24:00 PM
Chuck, from 5.75 to 7", low 6's is pretty common.

Eric
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Austin Brown on January 05, 2014, 02:55:00 PM
I'm excited to get back into Hill style bows,haven't owned one for the last few months.  I have a new to me Berry Morningstar coming that should be here tomorrow.
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Post by: katman on January 05, 2014, 03:28:00 PM
Exciting times Austin, Let us now all about her.
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Post by: ChuckC on January 05, 2014, 07:37:00 PM
Thank you,

low 6 is where I have it.  I am used to 8" on my other bow and I was questioning the set up.

ChuckC
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on January 07, 2014, 02:34:00 PM
I have a lefty Morningstar on order, something in the mid 50s at 26". I have been shooting 1918s with 160 grain broadheads, with glue-in bh adapters out of my 52 at 26" right hand Robertson and my favorite yew/bamboo 57 pound bow. For my right hand 53 pound yew I use either 1818s with glue-ins and 145 grain Grizzlies or 1918s with the screw in adapters and 160 grain broadheads, which gives me 200 grains up front. All of my broadhead arrows are 27" bop, I am not going to change that. I have a dozen 27" bop 48 pound tapered cedars with the 145 grain Grizzlies. I have a dozen 53-55 pound tapered cedars with 160 up front that fly out of everything except my heavier robertson. I need to make  some practice shafts that match these various broadhead hunting arrows, and I am trying to decide which arrow should be my go to arrow for the upcoming shoot it until its worn out Berry Morningstar. The cart is out in front of the horse, but any good bow will tolerate some various spines and I need to make something. Should I make target 1918s or get me a bunch of tapered cedars? I am assuming that James will hit real close to that 55 pound mark, but I don't know exactly what the spine tendencies for the Morningstar will be compared to the bows I have.  All of my bows are cut 1/8" from center plus the leather.
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Post by: Rossco7002 on January 07, 2014, 03:47:00 PM
From what I've seen those Morningstars are very quiet... A tapered cedar would only complement that IMHO. ;-)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 07, 2014, 05:44:00 PM
Pavan,
My Morningstar tends to like shafts stiffer than one would think, but admittedly I'm not much of a woodie shooter.
The videos of me shooting the Morningstar are with carbons that come in at 8.34 GPP , and it is SILENT, a heavier shaft will only help matters.  :)
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Post by: lone hunter on January 07, 2014, 07:20:00 PM
I shoot my Morningstar at 10.44gpp with carbon arrows. Very quiet but I have found for me that brace height is critical. After talking to James, I set my bh at 6.75 and that made a big difference. Doesn't seem to matter much what string I put on. Can't see any difference in speed but bow really seems to perform well at this setting.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 07, 2014, 08:05:00 PM
My MS prefers 6.5-6 5/8
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Post by: Jim Picarelli on January 07, 2014, 08:37:00 PM
My ASL's are braced from 5 7/8"-6 1/4"
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Post by: far rider on January 07, 2014, 09:20:00 PM
My North Star seems to follow the trend. It's braced right at 6 1/4" and it likes the heavier cedars. It has a Dacron string on it at the moment, but I'd like to try a FF. There is a little noise with GT 55/75, but my 60-65 cedars with 145 up seemed to be quieter, but don't fly as consistent.
All my ASLs are quiet, but this one takes it to a new level.
More tuning to come.

Tim
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Post by: Paul_R on January 08, 2014, 02:48:00 PM
My Big River, Howard Hill, and 7 lakes all like 6 1/2" to 6 3/4" with SBD strings. They're all ridiculously quiet.
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Post by: smoke1953 on January 08, 2014, 03:58:00 PM
68" NM Classic with 27 1/4" draw, ash arrows with 260 upfront, just over 6 3/4 brace and all is quiet in my world.
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Post by: Austin Brown on January 08, 2014, 04:00:00 PM
The mail carrier just dropped off my new to me Berry Mourning Star.  I braced it at 6.5 and grabbed a handful of 1916's and ran about 30 arrows thru it.  I am starting to see what all the fuss is about, its a very well behaved, nice shooting bow.  What really stands out to me initially though is just how quiet this bow is, even with the light 1916's.  I'm going to do a little more experimenting and hopefully finish out the season with her.
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Post by: Green on January 08, 2014, 04:27:00 PM
James' reverse handled bows are a blast aren't they?  Congrats on your new bow Austin.
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Post by: JDBerry on January 08, 2014, 05:09:00 PM
Ric O SLY just nailed my new morning star, I miss her already ....jAmES
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 08, 2014, 05:16:00 PM
Austin,
Those Morningstars are a very well designed bow. I absolutly love mine, and it quickly took first place in my stable. Smooth, quiet, quick point able. What's not to like!!
I shoot mine with .500 carbons with 175 up front for a total of 438 grains (8.34 GPP) and it is still extremely quiet and well behaved. No need to weigh it down with heavy arrows to get it to behave.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on January 08, 2014, 05:21:00 PM
For your next Morningstar you should build maybe a 55@26 left hand model. Just to see if you like it.  Unless of course you put if yourself at the back of the line, then just build yourself another 54 pound right hander.  Some folks think that bowyers have sozens of bows on the rack for themselves. Once when talking to one of the Schulz boys on the phone, if I heard him right, John only had 3 bows at the time, and only shot one of them.
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Post by: katman on January 08, 2014, 07:35:00 PM
Have a question regarding arrow spine. Thanks to the HH bug have a Morning Star coming this spring, 52@29. Have not shot this design or wood in over 30 years. I like the idea of going with wood shafts for this bow, just seems to fit. So if I go with Surewood's douglas firs tapered what spine would I need for a 30-30.5" arrow with 125-150gr point? Probably get a test pack but need a starting point. Thanks.
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Post by: centaur on January 08, 2014, 07:43:00 PM
I would say somewhere around 60# spine would be a starting place. I shoot 55@28, and use 65-70 woodies, 30 BOP, and 190 gr up front. They shoot like darts.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: nineworlds9 on January 08, 2014, 08:11:00 PM
So my first new custom Hill style was delivered to me today after a good 3 1/2 month wait.  I have tried many used Hill styles 66-70", 50-100+ #, over the past year and had finally settled on what I wanted in a new bow.  My bowyer of choice for this endeavor was Nate Steele at Bamabows Archery.  I had been aware of Nate's reputation for quality and value for quite some time but it wasn't until a fellow enthusiast made me aware of Nate's "Tribute" Hill style model that I began to consider him as my bowyer of choice.  One of the factors was the ability to make a bow well in excess of 75#.  I had originally considered going with an HHA build, but still having a hunch about Nate and his Tribute model I bided my time and much to my delight found a 70" 105@30 Tribute 'used but like new from one of Nate's frequent customers, albeit a right handed one (I'm a lefty.)  I proved to be strong enough to draw it right handed and lefty, though I had to attach some Velcro to the side of the riser and shoot it like a selfbow to do lefty.  I had previously been shooting various bows of max heaviness of 75-85#@28, 75 being pretty comfortable to shoot for extended periods... at my slightly over 29" draw 105@30 proved to be a bit much to draw with any semblance of control, but not by too much.  I had a hunch that 5-10 less# would be spot on to get me to full draw and start a real serious regimen and turn my heavy quest into a regular go-to.  My goal is to have a heavy Hill bow for working out and hunting with a locator grip that will have a real flat cast with lighter (8-9gpp) arrows that reminds me a little of my performance longbows but is still a Hill.  This righty Tribute I found to test drive had a flawless fit and finish and shot like a dream for being such a beast, what bit of controllable shooting I could do at shorter 20 yd or less ranges hahaha.  This and the bow's quietness and smoothness combined with a super price structure solidified my decision to order a brand new lefty Tribute to my desired specs.  The righty got sold and an order was made.

This is the result.

Meet the 'Werewolf'.  Lefty Bama Tribute, 69" 94@29, wenge riser with wenge overlay, black glass, black phenolic tips, and black leather laced locator grip, 4 lams of bamboo:

      (http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/null_zps65a0b0c4.jpg)
      (http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/null_zps4de7bb79.jpg)
      (http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/null_zpscc392b0f.jpg)
      (http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/null_zps9be10655.jpg)
      (http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/null_zps255da34d.jpg)
      (http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/null_zps73dcc0cf.jpg)
      (http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/null_zps5f5e2f5f.jpg)
      (http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/null_zps3647c7ec.jpg)

Shot her tonight with my heavy wood arrows at 15 and 20 yds.  My brother measured my draw, I'm pulling her to 28 3/4", so 93#?? LOL.  She shoots like a dream.  SO quiet.  Selfbow quiet.  ZERO handshock of any kind.  Just a real faint bump.  Actually one of the most, if not the most well mannered Hills I have shot to date.  The locator grip is perfect.  Nate built it to the dimensions I requested.  He was great to work with, very friendly and made it his mission to make the bow just how I wanted.  He normally does not stock wenge and he made it a point to be willing to build a wenge bow on my request and find a really pretty piece for me.  It looks way more brown than it is in the bright light.  It is darker in person, I love the black streaks.  

The bow is a winner and my chosen Hill.  Thanks Nate!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Paul_R on January 08, 2014, 08:24:00 PM
That's a beauty Chuck!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: katman on January 08, 2014, 08:45:00 PM
Gorgeous bow, I have a hill style wenge and amberboo on order, you have not made my wait any easier. 94# wow, look at the lams. Like the overlay and phenolic tips also. Really cool looking bow. Nice write up, thanks.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: J.T. on January 08, 2014, 09:16:00 PM
Well I've officially been bitten by the Hill Bug
 (http://i.imgur.com/FA57iv3.jpg)
70" 75@31.5 Northern Mist Classic Walnut riser Ash cores under green glass with a straight grip.  Shoots like a dream no hand shock and very quiet loves 800 grain woodies. Full story and more pics here  http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=134774
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Paul_R on January 08, 2014, 09:29:00 PM
That's a beauty Chuck!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 08, 2014, 09:46:00 PM
Beautiful bows guys!!!
Some heavy hitters
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: katman on January 08, 2014, 09:48:00 PM
Beautiful, 75# and 800gr arrows, she will pack a punch for sure.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: nineworlds9 on January 08, 2014, 10:13:00 PM
Thanks guys, I love pulling the 'wolf back!  It's funny, I feel like 65#-ish bows are less enjoyable to shoot, more like 'work' must be cause they're heavy but still too close to being 'light', LOL.  On this new Bama I guess I'm getting my whole body involved so it feels therapeutic to shoot it hahaha.

JT- that NM is awesome!!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Rossco7002 on January 08, 2014, 10:18:00 PM
Wow! Those are two awesome looking set ups guys - congrats. At those draw weights and draw lengths I don't think I'll ever see those bows featured in a "is this set up good enough for ......?"  threads. Lol

 ;-)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: nineworlds9 on January 08, 2014, 10:30:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Rossco7002:
Wow! Those are two awesome looking set ups guys - congrats. At those draw weights and draw lengths I don't think I'll ever see those bows featured in a "is this set up good enough for ......?"  threads. Lol

 ;-)
"is this setup good enough for... blue whale?"...bahahaha, LMAO
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 09, 2014, 09:33:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Rossco7002:
Wow! Those are two awesome looking set ups guys - congrats. At those draw weights and draw lengths I don't think I'll ever see those bows featured in a "is this set up good enough for ......?"  threads. Lol

 ;-)
1957 Cadillac engine blocks? Abandoned refrigerators? Blacksmith's anvils?     :saywhat:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Overspined on January 09, 2014, 09:58:00 AM
I measured my draw length last night with the reverse handle.  A whopping 26".  And that's assuming I actually draw it all the way.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: ron w on January 09, 2014, 10:56:00 AM
Just reading those poundages I had to go take some Advil.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: 2treks on January 09, 2014, 11:52:00 AM
Funny Ron.
I am working on one right now that might not hurt as bad as that 75@31. Its a classic and I know she will rip a log thru a barn. plus that walnut is to die for. I would love to find a barn full of it.

Some nice bows posted lately. Congrats guys.
CTT
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 10, 2014, 01:03:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by JDBerry:
Ric O SLY just nailed my new morning star, I miss her already ....jAmES
I found out from James that you have to be "SLY" in order to talk him out of a personal bow that is like no other.

This new Morning Star arrived this morning. I have no pictures as yet. That is because I can't put her down long enough to pick up a camera. The fade outs on this bow are absolutely awesome. Tissue paper thin. You have to look twice to see where they start or stop.

"Old School" design. Black glass back and white glass on the belly, beautifully grained macassar ebony riser that is double encased with black and white glass. Unique dark bamboo core that is the natural color, not stained. Color resembles English Walnut. Limb tips as fine as frog hair and fitted with double limb tip wedges.

I've been involved in archery since 1953. I've shot a lot of different bows and seen many more than I've shot. I can honestly say that I have never witnessed this level of pure craftsmanship in another bow. James Berry has taken this bow to a place where others can only dream about going.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on January 10, 2014, 01:12:00 PM
Ric get off the computer and get out your camera. I want to see.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 10, 2014, 01:18:00 PM
pavan - Don't tell anyone, but I'm still at work. Grabbed this bow from the post office this morning. I'll have some pics up later today.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 10, 2014, 01:21:00 PM
So that's what you meant when you said it was comming!!!!!!  I thought you made it up to the list, you just got your hands on that.

You are sly.

Everyone of James bows I have seen have impressed me. It is unreal what he can do with wood and fiberglass. I am looking forward to seein the pics
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 10, 2014, 03:50:00 PM
Brian -

 :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on January 10, 2014, 04:14:00 PM
Danny - don't you feel ill?  Just a little?  I'm thinking you need to head on home.     :D
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: far rider on January 11, 2014, 11:31:00 AM
Danny?
Uh.....Saturday.....PICS PLEASE!!!!

Come On Man!   :campfire:  

Tim
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: bculberson on January 12, 2014, 01:20:00 PM
Sometime next week Craig will be shipping out my takedown Tembo,  blackwood riser, brown back, black belly, 70" and 50#@28" (so around 58lbs at my draw).
I'm starting too feel like a kids before Christmas!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Moots on January 12, 2014, 02:06:00 PM
Great bow and perfect specs Bruce!  That will be one smooth drawing bow.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: bculberson on January 12, 2014, 03:13:00 PM
I hope so Moots as I pull 30 1/2".  The bow is coming with the standard back set as at the time I ordered it I didn't know straight limbs,  or string follow was an option.  I'll post pics when it arrives which will take a couple weeks to Canada.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Paul_R on January 12, 2014, 04:32:00 PM
Here's my latest go at grip wraps. My poor ol' straight handled Big River Hill is once again the guinea pig. "Standard" sized hills (or anything else really) are almost always too small for my hand and this bow is no exception. I've tried stacking leather strips under the wrap at the belly and back side to get the depth I need and I've had some success. This time I went with plain old thick leather. In this case 7oz buffalo hide and I went with a beaver tail plate/rest. The down side of using thick leather is that the sides get built up too but this buffalo hide is so soft it's almost spongy and it fits my hand perfect and also reduces perceived hand shock, an added benefit for this particular bow (it's a shocker). The rim at the top makes a nice locator. All in all I like it. A lot.    :thumbsup:  

    (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/20140112_124950.jpg~original)    (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/20140112_125017.jpg~original)    (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/20140112_125126.jpg~original)

To give an idea how thick 7oz leather is:

    (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/20140112_125247.jpg~original)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 13, 2014, 07:41:00 AM
far rider -

Did I not tell you that I'm a dairy farmer? I'm gonna "milk" this one out.    :saywhat:  

Danny
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on January 13, 2014, 03:11:00 PM
That's okay Danny, soon enough I will have my own to look at.  How can I set it up so everyone will be able to see my next bow pics except Danny?  I admit to not being very good at waiting. A joke my kids have is that they never once got to open presents at Christmas. We always opened them way before Christmas.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 13, 2014, 05:01:00 PM
pavan -

I talked to JD this morning. He told me all about you.....   :saywhat:  

Now, let's get down to some pretty bow business.

Meet my new Morning Star. 66" 50# @ 28" Macassar ebony, black & white glass and natural bamboo that looks like walnut.

  (http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/bard9l/IMG_2038_zps999cc0e3.jpg) (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/bard9l/media/IMG_2038_zps999cc0e3.jpg.html)

Double wedge in the tips.

  (http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/bard9l/IMG_2032_zpsc4e67fff.jpg) (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/bard9l/media/IMG_2032_zpsc4e67fff.jpg.html)

Fade outs as thin as tissue paper.....thinner!

  (http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/bard9l/IMG_2030_zpsc3073721.jpg) (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/bard9l/media/IMG_2030_zpsc3073721.jpg.html)

   :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 13, 2014, 05:12:00 PM
White glass on the belly.

  (http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/bard9l/IMG_2029_zps0770154d.jpg) (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/bard9l/media/IMG_2029_zps0770154d.jpg.html)

  (http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/bard9l/IMG_2034_zps7b7d92c7.jpg) (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/bard9l/media/IMG_2034_zps7b7d92c7.jpg.html)

Hope these were worth the wait.....
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: far rider on January 13, 2014, 05:27:00 PM
Danny, Danny, Danny!!!
Hard to be disappointed with that kinda eye candy. Can't I blame you for "milking it" for all she's worth!

I had the pleasure of speaking with Mr. Berry today, and I do mean pleasure. What a  great guy! I can't think of anything we didn't hit on at least a little bit. I would've brought up your name Danny, but I feared what lay beneath the surface of ole Ric O'Sly!!!    :saywhat:  

As per normal, that's a sweetie of a Morning Star you have there.

So tell me, how's she shoot (like I don't know that answer)?

   :archer:

Tim
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 13, 2014, 05:33:00 PM
Must admit, Ive busted three nocks on my good arrows already.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: ron w on January 13, 2014, 05:40:00 PM
Danny......that is really nice!!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on January 13, 2014, 05:56:00 PM
Thanks, I think mine will be close to that except brown glass and a bit stiffer.  After talking with James, I am certain this will be the perfect bow for what I do.  When I bought that reverse for Jacob, I knew within a few shots that I wanted to go back to the reverse handles. I would bet that Mr. Berry's is the best one there is. My sympathies for your arrow loss.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 13, 2014, 06:15:00 PM
Danny,
Now that is a gorgeous bow!!!! I love all the little details added to the bow, without detracting from the classic lines of the American semi-longbow.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: lone hunter on January 13, 2014, 06:20:00 PM
Very nice Danny, they're a great shooting bow.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on January 13, 2014, 06:58:00 PM
I got a bow string in the mail today. Thanks Brian.  Now just waiting for the bow. No bunnies today, either.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on January 13, 2014, 07:12:00 PM
Gorgeous example of James' work, Danny.  Congrats on such a beautiful bow.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: TxAg on January 13, 2014, 07:20:00 PM
Beauty of a bow!
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 13, 2014, 07:56:00 PM
Glad it made it there pavan!
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Post by: smoke1953 on January 14, 2014, 09:01:00 AM
Very nice
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Post by: J.T. on January 14, 2014, 11:03:00 AM
Nice looking bow   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on January 14, 2014, 11:40:00 AM
Those delicate fadeouts around the riser really set the colors off nice.  From the photos, they look like perfect fine bleedouts.  Subtle and very artistic.  I really like how the tips and string grooves are done.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 14, 2014, 01:22:00 PM
I don't know how James does it, but I'm glad he does!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Rossco7002 on January 14, 2014, 07:28:00 PM
That's a FINE looking bow Danny - enjoy!
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Post by: Sant-Ravenhill on January 14, 2014, 08:16:00 PM
Pretty, pretty bow!!! Thanks for sharing pictures!
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Post by: Moots on January 14, 2014, 08:41:00 PM
That is a beautiful bow!  James is an artist.
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Post by: jwhitetail on January 14, 2014, 10:28:00 PM
That is a thing of beauty, Danny.   I really love the limb tip wedges with the white centers.... Just beautiful.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on January 16, 2014, 11:14:00 PM
I am getting excited now. My Morningstar is getting built this week. A little bow building music for James.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doV2j3_Amgo&list=PL92FD509C96889558
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 17, 2014, 07:33:00 AM
pavan -

Hope you know how to shoot right handed.

   :saywhat:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Overspined on January 17, 2014, 08:37:00 AM
Pavan is versatile!
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Post by: far rider on January 17, 2014, 09:43:00 AM
Danny, that's just wrong.    :eek:  
I spoke with James yesterday? Oops!
Sorry Pavan!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: JDBerry on January 17, 2014, 10:03:00 AM
pavan, glad your a lefty, I now have a knock out righty Morning star!! Shooting it yesterday, One in a million!!!!! Mr. Ric O Sly..What bow?....James
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: JDBerry on January 17, 2014, 10:26:00 AM
OOPS forgot, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ME!! Wow pavan you should see this bow, Cant go wrong when you  build to "White Zombe"......James
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Post by: katman on January 17, 2014, 10:29:00 AM
A very happy birthday to you James, now back to work!
What is the stats on that nockout morningstar?
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Post by: 2treks on January 17, 2014, 10:35:00 AM
Happy Birthday James,
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0E0ynyIUsg
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: JDBerry on January 17, 2014, 10:36:00 AM
Katman, are you Ric O Slys brother?...James
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: JDBerry on January 17, 2014, 10:50:00 AM
Thanks Chuck for the gift, Love the song!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: far rider on January 17, 2014, 10:52:00 AM
Happy Birthday James!
Brian is whipping up a FF. Raised that brace to 6 5/8", and set the nock. Big difference even with the B-50.
Thanks for the time yesterday.

Tim
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: far rider on January 17, 2014, 10:53:00 AM
James,
New sales technique. Instead of having stock bows or even orders, just tell them you finished a new bow for yourself......SOLD!

Tim
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on January 17, 2014, 11:13:00 AM
Well congrats on reaching another birthday. White Zombe? You fellows seem a bit edgy today, everyone settle down and join me in singing some nice Dutch hymns. I was not going bring the right hand cut up. I should have asked if that 'one in a million' bow had enough material left to make it a dual shelf. I am ambidextrous and my right hand fingers are well enough that I can shoot a few shots right handed again. I should have warned you that you were on a speaker phone, good thing the preacher had just left. My longbow shooting cop friend got an ear full.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: katman on January 17, 2014, 11:37:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by JDBerry:
Katman, are you Ric O Slys brother?...James
Nope, just a quick learner.    :biglaugh:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on January 17, 2014, 12:21:00 PM
When I am working on archery stuff, I can never have anything on that I can sing along with, so that rules out opera, Handel, Willy, Blood Sweat and Tears, or classical guitar (which I play) so I go for nice things like Leroy Anderson,  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUJUE9zhkkU  
or   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORW7suyvPNk.
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Post by: Mudd on January 17, 2014, 12:40:00 PM
I wasn't going to say anything other than "Happy Birthday" to James but since I got his answering machine I just sang him a little birthday song...lol

Happy Birthday my friend!!

God bless,Mudd

BTW: Every bow you've been making seems to turn out prettier than the one before.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on January 17, 2014, 01:21:00 PM
What a coinkydink, Jame's birthday is the same day a Michelle Obama's. Mudd, you should call the Whitehouse and sing happy birthday to Michelle.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: hawaiiarcher on January 17, 2014, 01:28:00 PM
Happy Birthday James. You do realize that you are the same age as me minus months and that is pretty old when you compare us to Brian  :(   To be young again! One thing to think about, if we live long enough we will look like our baby pictures.

Aloha and have a great day  :) ,
George
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 17, 2014, 01:37:00 PM
James -

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!

From: The Sly One     :saywhat:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 17, 2014, 01:37:00 PM
Happy birthday James.

Tim, you will like the string .

Oh pavan is probably shaking with excitement now
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 17, 2014, 01:40:00 PM
hawaiiarcher -

I'm sure you've heard the saying, "Once an adult, twice a child."
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 17, 2014, 01:50:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by JDBerry:
pavan, glad your a lefty, I now have a knock out righty Morning star!! Shooting it yesterday, One in a million!!!!! Mr. Ric O Sly..What bow?....James
James, I didn't mention any bow....only hoped pavan could shoot right handed.    :saywhat:

   :archer2:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: moebow on January 17, 2014, 02:06:00 PM
I got a package today.     :dunno:  

Arne
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Post by: moebow on January 17, 2014, 02:08:00 PM
Wonder what it could be??

  (http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae274/moebow1/IMG_03881_zps396c9289.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/moebow1/media/IMG_03881_zps396c9289.jpg.html)

Arne
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 17, 2014, 02:09:00 PM
Arne....don't keep us waiting.    :nono:   I gots to know!!
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Post by: moebow on January 17, 2014, 02:10:00 PM
OMIGOSH!!  It was 2 packages, sent as one.   :scared:

  (http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae274/moebow1/IMG_03911_zpsfae1a49a.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/moebow1/media/IMG_03911_zpsfae1a49a.jpg.html)

Arne
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Post by: moebow on January 17, 2014, 02:20:00 PM
As usual, James out did himself!
Do you know how hard it was to get him to do an "old news print" finish?

First a picture of the  attention to detail on the string nocks -- they are works of art.

  (http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae274/moebow1/IMG_03921_zps023822d9.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/moebow1/media/IMG_03921_zps023822d9.jpg.html)

Another picture of the news print finish:

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His artistry never fails to amaze  ...

OH WAIT think I just discovered something...
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: moebow on January 17, 2014, 02:24:00 PM
Actually, a Vixen and a Morning Star with white glass, Bamboo limbs, Macassar Ebony risers.  44#@30"

  (http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae274/moebow1/IMG_03951_zps4b3f1258.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/moebow1/media/IMG_03951_zps4b3f1258.jpg.html)

  (http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae274/moebow1/IMG_03961_zpse8d0fb72.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/moebow1/media/IMG_03961_zpse8d0fb72.jpg.html)

  (http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae274/moebow1/IMG_03981_zps37e431d1.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/moebow1/media/IMG_03981_zps37e431d1.jpg.html)

THANK YOU James -- OUTSTANDING!!!!

Arne
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: hawaiiarcher on January 17, 2014, 02:47:00 PM
Arne,

Good looking bows and they look really cool! Can you do a close up of the white glass?

George
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 17, 2014, 02:55:00 PM
Now those are outstanding!!!!! Great job on getting the twins!!!

I like how you did the together pictures, really neat
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: moebow on January 17, 2014, 03:18:00 PM
Aloha,

Here you go, best I can do for now.

   (http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae274/moebow1/e0fea6a6-5b0a-43cd-a0f8-ddba8a52d41f_zps14d34771.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/moebow1/media/e0fea6a6-5b0a-43cd-a0f8-ddba8a52d41f_zps14d34771.jpg.html)

   (http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae274/moebow1/DSC_00201_zps66b278c8.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/moebow1/media/DSC_00201_zps66b278c8.jpg.html)

The marks, that I didn't notice at first are just from the newspaper wrapping, came right off with a little Pledge and a paper towel.

Arne
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Paul_R on January 17, 2014, 03:33:00 PM
Quote
The marks, that I didn't notice at first are just from the newspaper wrapping, came right off with a little Pledge and a paper towel.

Arne [/QB]
Are you saying the finish rubbed right off?

   ;)

   :D
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Post by: Mudd on January 17, 2014, 03:36:00 PM
Congratulations Moebow!!

Both are beautiful works of art that will most likely kill stuff.

God bless,Mudd

PS: Pavan has the 1st lady done something to you that you would wish my singing on her?...lol Actually I wouldn't waste my time being two faced at how I feel toward all adult residents of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. In other words I wouldn't do it if I could.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 17, 2014, 03:37:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Paul_R:
 
Quote
The marks, that I didn't notice at first are just from the newspaper wrapping, came right off with a little Pledge and a paper towel.

Arne [/b]
Are you saying the finish rubbed right off?

    ;)  

    :D  [/QB]
The lamp black ink use in newsprint rubbed off on the bow. It does come back off very easy.

Danny
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: moebow on January 17, 2014, 03:42:00 PM
Paul,

Absolutely NOT!  In the first "glass" picture, you can see a couple smudges that were JUST from being wrapped in the newspaper.  Pledge took the smudges off, NO FINISH was harmed -- as they say in the movie disclaimers.

Mudd, If you are implying that your singing causes "discomfort" SING away for the current White house.

Arne
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on January 17, 2014, 03:46:00 PM
Roy, I thought it could be your turn this year, I did last year and got all of the words wrong. It looks like there is enough ebony Morningstars out there to make a club for ebony Morningstar shooters.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Paul_R on January 17, 2014, 03:47:00 PM
It was a joke in the spirit of the newsprint finish joke...   :knothead:

JD's finishes are impeccable    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: moebow on January 17, 2014, 03:48:00 PM
Paul,  Upon reading your post again, I (finally) get it!!  No it seemed that the newspaper finish just kind of "unraveled."     :biglaugh:    :biglaugh:      

Arne
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: moebow on January 17, 2014, 03:49:00 PM
Posting  at the same time Paul.  No wonder the "Hill" thread is on it's second go around.

Arne
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: far rider on January 17, 2014, 04:06:00 PM
Moebow, that is quite a pair! James is just full of surprises isn't he ?

Tim
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: ron w on January 17, 2014, 04:07:00 PM
44# @ 30.......must be smooth a butter, maybe smoother!! Really nice pair   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Centex on January 17, 2014, 04:07:00 PM
Pretty pair of ladies Arne!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: moebow on January 17, 2014, 04:17:00 PM
Centex,

Is that a "girly" bow joke??   :goldtooth:   REALLY just kidding!!   I got these two as the lightest Hill style bows I have.  I intend them for my instructional sessions and for others to try.

PLUS, they will "hunt" well -- If I'm not using one of the other 13 Hill styles I have that range up to 70#. Pretty good weight spread for an "old" guy.    :laughing:    :laughing:  

Arne
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: cahaba on January 17, 2014, 04:44:00 PM
Happy Birthday James and many many more to you. Patiently waiting for spring.......

David
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: cahaba on January 17, 2014, 04:47:00 PM
Congrats Arne on two beauts!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Paul_R on January 17, 2014, 04:55:00 PM
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Originally posted by moebow:
Posting  at the same time Paul.  No wonder the "Hill" thread is on it's second go around.

Arne
We all love our Hills that's for sure! Your new Berrys are beauties BTW.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: J.T. on January 17, 2014, 05:32:00 PM
great looking bows congrats
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on January 17, 2014, 05:54:00 PM
Arne.....I'm impressed what you and the Birthday boy have managed to create there!  Those are beautiful.....and seeing that Vixen let's me know what I'm going to have done when my turn comes up in a bit.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: katman on January 17, 2014, 07:06:00 PM
Very sharp lookers there moebow, enjoy.

I guess with all the birthdays James has had he has learned and he 'don't make no ugly bow'    :shaka:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Rossco7002 on January 17, 2014, 08:03:00 PM
Love the look of that white glass with the bamboo against the dark riser - nice choices, beautifully executed.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: jwhitetail on January 17, 2014, 09:00:00 PM
That is a beautiful pair of bows, Moebow.  Congratulations on those two beautiful sisters.

Happy B-Day Mr. Berry.  Maybe a gift I'll let you beat me at the Snow-Shoot...LOL
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on January 19, 2014, 01:58:00 PM
I notice that more threads concerning Hill style bows are posted on individual threads.  I suppose some believe their post needs individual attention, but keeping it all in a tighter pile may have more people seeing it.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Paul_R on January 19, 2014, 02:11:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by pavan:
I notice that more threads concerning Hill style bows are posted on individual threads.  I suppose some believe their post needs individual attention, but keeping it all in a tighter pile may have more people seeing it.
Resistance is futile....
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on January 19, 2014, 02:24:00 PM
we are the Borg?
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Bud B. on January 19, 2014, 04:15:00 PM
As for other Hill threads....sometmes a question is asked on this thread and it gets one or two pages back with no reply so posting another thread seems logical. Once it gets that far back it likely will never surface with a response to that specific question.

I have seen many on here try to answer any and all questions but some individual questions do not get a reply and slip by.

Here things can get lost in the crowd, but not intentionally.

Respectfully.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: MikeNova on January 19, 2014, 04:22:00 PM
Happy birthday James! Heck today is my birthday how bout make me another bow and ill accept it as a late present
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: ChiefStingingArrow on January 19, 2014, 04:39:00 PM
those are some beauts Moebow!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on January 20, 2014, 03:47:00 AM
While working on my keyboard, trying to write music with a Hill hunting theme, a quote from the past hit me.
“Nothing in this world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity,”
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: bculberson on January 21, 2014, 10:44:00 AM
My HHA Tembo arrived last night!  Being my first time ordering a bow I didn't know that you had to order a string too - I assumed it would come with one.  Luckly my other bow is only 1" shorter and had a well twisted string that could be untwisted to fit  :archer:  

This was shooting in the dark and with a temporary masking tape nock....

   (http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5492/12062525616_b0fe8b3053_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/94508623@N07/12062525616/)
 Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/94508623@N07/12062525616/)  by  bruce culberson (http://www.flickr.com/people/94508623@N07/) , on Flickr
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: WarDancer on January 21, 2014, 10:49:00 AM
Do I understand this right, you ordered a new bow from Craig and he sent you a bow without a string.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Hermon on January 21, 2014, 11:23:00 AM
Did you look further into the shipping container?  Some bows I have received, the string was in its own package in the box and I had to hunt for it among the packing stuff.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on January 21, 2014, 12:18:00 PM
That string is taped in somewhere, don't throw the packaging away.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: bculberson on January 21, 2014, 12:56:00 PM
  (http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7453/12061980903_fd1b0c0e6e_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/94508623@N07/12061980903/)
 Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/94508623@N07/12061980903/)  by  bruce culberson (http://www.flickr.com/people/94508623@N07/) , on Flickr

I'll look again.  Maybe it's under one of the cardboard tip protectors....
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on January 21, 2014, 03:03:00 PM
If they forgot the string, call them.
Oh, one more thing, the phone rang, 'Santa Claus is coming to town'.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: bculberson on January 21, 2014, 03:51:00 PM
Went thoroughly through all the packing paper & packaging - no string.  Called Craig and a remedy is on the way!

HHA does have a quick turn around time.  Only a couple days over a month from when I called & ordered until I got my bow, even with shipping to Canada!

Now I just need more practice......
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Paul_R on January 21, 2014, 04:16:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by bculberson:


HHA does have a quick turn around time.  Only a couple days over a month from when I called & ordered until I got my bow, even with shipping to Canada!

Now I just need more practice......
I can vouch for that. Just ordered a Redman this morning and was told 2-3 weeks.    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: kestimator on January 21, 2014, 08:39:00 PM
Fabulous looking bows moebow!!!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: jwhitetail on January 21, 2014, 11:33:00 PM
Beautiful Tembo bculberson!  Have fun with it.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: cahaba on January 22, 2014, 01:45:00 AM
Beautiful Tembo bculberson. Congrats!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Dan bree on January 22, 2014, 12:24:00 PM
When I got my takedown Wesley  last year it came with a short string giving it a 8/14 brace hight at the lowest it would go  plus every  set up a tryed the arrows slapped the riser! Sbd string same thing  .called them up and they wanted to sell me some arrows .  I think  maby  they rush  to much  . I have 20longbows , and this one is the only one that gives me the fits   66inch 50at28 black back red belly  .sleeves didn't  fit  had to take a file to them . Sorry for the rant.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on January 22, 2014, 02:03:00 PM
Good rant Dan, just thinking about it all gets your dander up. You seem to be a more mild mannered individual than me.  The 'when it rains it pours' scenario is not suppose to happen with Hill style longbows.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: far rider on January 22, 2014, 04:13:00 PM
Okay.....who has a new to them 68" Morning Star with brown glass coming their way?????

Tim
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 22, 2014, 04:59:00 PM
I know who it is......, and he already has it and is shooting 50/54 woodies from it...
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: 2treks on January 22, 2014, 05:21:00 PM
And he tuned it "Old School"
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: far rider on January 22, 2014, 05:29:00 PM
Uh Huh! Well wasn't that "Sly"!    :bigsmyl:  

Tim
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 22, 2014, 05:39:00 PM
Oh slick ric aye
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: far rider on January 22, 2014, 05:57:00 PM
Gonna rename him Ric O'MorningSly!!

Brian, envelope arrived today, but too dark to give it a run. Tomorrow for sure! Love those tight loops. Thanks man!

Tim
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 22, 2014, 08:02:00 PM
I sorta like that dark chocolate back and milk chocolate belly guys.  

Think I'm gonna call it my Mocha MorningStar.    :saywhat:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 22, 2014, 08:09:00 PM
Like a big OL highschool. Everyone knows what happened under the bleachers  :)

I really enjoy how James does the two different colored browns too. Gives it a very unique look.

Tim,
Glad it arrived safely. I pre stretched the string, you should see those loops before they get on a bow, lol
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: far rider on January 22, 2014, 08:15:00 PM
I should get some time with it tomorrow Brian....when the temp apexes anyway. Between the twine and the increased brace, I have big expectations. After a little tuning the other day, I had it slapping arrows at 20 with the B-50.....well at least it slapped them a few times...ok one set, I got it to slap one set 3 out of 6....but hey!     :thumbsup:    

Tim
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: bculberson on January 23, 2014, 12:08:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Dan bree:
...... . I have 20longbows , and this one is the only one that gives me the fits   66inch 50at28 black back red belly  .sleeves didn't  fit  had to take a file to them . Sorry for the rant.
The sleeve on mine fits very tight.   Took two people to get out apart the first time.   It's starting to break in now though.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on January 23, 2014, 04:11:00 PM
I am, as of this afternoon, a lifetime member of the JD Berry Morningstar club.  This is the bow.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: katman on January 23, 2014, 05:55:00 PM
Does this mean it has arrived pavan?
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on January 23, 2014, 07:35:00 PM
 (http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/ab283/pavanldb/DSCN0877_zpsc32140f9.jpg) (http://s872.photobucket.com/user/pavanldb/media/DSCN0877_zpsc32140f9.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on January 23, 2014, 07:36:00 PM
 (http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/ab283/pavanldb/DSCN0879_zps4ee21d30.jpg) (http://s872.photobucket.com/user/pavanldb/media/DSCN0879_zps4ee21d30.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on January 23, 2014, 07:38:00 PM
 (http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/ab283/pavanldb/e32b9d96-a262-4841-badb-9994822a66af_zpscba5aedf.jpg) (http://s872.photobucket.com/user/pavanldb/media/e32b9d96-a262-4841-badb-9994822a66af_zpscba5aedf.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on January 23, 2014, 07:41:00 PM
Where did that gut come from?
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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on January 23, 2014, 07:45:00 PM
What none of these photos show is how rock steady this bow is on release. I should have taken a picture of my first group, which was at 18 yards, but it was cold out there.  This is the most forgiving and accurate longbow that I have ever shot and it gives up nothing for speed, compared to my other bows. I hate fixing arrows, just one frigid short session and I have three that need nocks and two that need to be refletched.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Paul_R on January 23, 2014, 07:46:00 PM
Very nice Pavan!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on January 23, 2014, 07:48:00 PM
Those multiple fadeouts must work some kind of rolling power magic to the limb action, I am truly impressed. Oh yes, check out the sexy little center lam. Thanks James, you are an artist.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 23, 2014, 08:32:00 PM
Pavan,
James sure made you a work of art there bud.  The greet thing is James's bows shoot and feel better than yet look and they look darn good  :) .

My Morningstar is an absolute joy to shoot, and encompasses everything you could want in a straightlimbed bow.  Let us know how it goes when it warms up for ya
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on January 23, 2014, 08:35:00 PM
Dang that's a looker!  But why are you standing on the wall shooting into the floor?    :laughing:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Pat B. on January 23, 2014, 08:48:00 PM
James is a master crafter !

You guys are tempting me, lol..
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on January 23, 2014, 09:01:00 PM
Green it must be sideways on your computor, its heads up on mine.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Elk77 on January 23, 2014, 09:17:00 PM
pavan that is one nice bow you have there, in fact James has one just like it hanging on is wall except its right handed,   :biglaugh:  Now when it comes to shooting a Berry bow with a gut that is all good. Because the best way to shoot a Berry bow is to put your gut into it. As you draw back you sort of lean back and the gut helps balance your weight forward at the same time. Right before tournament season James and I put on the weight for this excite reason. So what ever you do don't lose that gut. Just learn to use it in your favor.   :biglaugh:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: katman on January 24, 2014, 12:55:00 AM
What material is that white center lam?
Very good looking bow pavan, enjoy.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: cahaba on January 24, 2014, 01:21:00 AM
Great looking bow pavan. Congrats!
James is at the top of his game.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: far rider on January 24, 2014, 08:08:00 AM
Good looking bow there Mr. Dean. What's the riser wood and mystery lam?

Tim
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: katman on January 24, 2014, 08:14:00 AM
Lets guess, how about white bamboo lam and macasar ebony riser, a real beauty. pant pant
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on January 24, 2014, 11:06:00 AM
I was out but your guess is correct. What are the dark fadeouts?  I am not sure.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: katman on January 24, 2014, 12:06:00 PM
I know James like wenge as a contrast wood.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on January 25, 2014, 03:22:00 AM
Today I turned my new bow into a used bow, nice weather and 300 shots. I twisted about a 1/8" more brace, moved my nocking point up 1/16", perfect. It feels odd that my search for my one, go to left hand bow is over. Nothing to do now except shoot and fix arrows.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: cahaba on January 25, 2014, 07:46:00 AM
We have had some cold weather the past few days. I couldn't take not shooting another day. I went out and scanned the area. I seen this critter at 17 paces on the side of a bank and took the shot.
I have been shooting my Shelton for 3 months now and we are getting along well.

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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mississippi bow hunter on January 25, 2014, 07:57:00 AM
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mississippi bow hunter on January 25, 2014, 07:59:00 AM
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mudd on January 25, 2014, 08:22:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by pavan:
Today I turned my new bow into a used bow, nice weather and 300 shots. I twisted about a 1/8" more brace, moved my nocking point up 1/16", perfect. It feels odd that my search for my one, go to left hand bow is over. Nothing to do now except shoot and fix arrows.
Woot! Woot!!  I finally get to say it ...."I told you so!"...lol
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: cahaba on January 25, 2014, 09:35:00 AM
Matt some folks like the back set profile best while others swear by string follow. Both profiles will shoot good if the shooter does their part. I like both equally. The biggest difference I could tell is in the draw. The string follow seemed like it loaded up quicker for me. YMMV
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Post by: antler chaser on January 25, 2014, 11:34:00 AM
awesome SHOT!!! CAHABA
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Post by: cahaba on January 25, 2014, 12:29:00 PM
Thanks antler chaser. It was like I seen the shot in my mind right before it happened.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on January 25, 2014, 02:13:00 PM
Careful Roy, patting yourself on the back like that can be hard on your shoulders. I am hoping for some nicer weather to put a few more bunnies out of their misery. Then get ready for turkies. I think I need some more tapered cedars, these 1918s is cold. Yippee I got something to do,(other than chase the wife around the house).
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: cahaba on January 25, 2014, 03:44:00 PM
It will be nice to hear about some hunting stories with these new bows. I have had to live thru yalls hunting on here. Due to illness I haven't got to deer hunt at all this year. I hope in Feb. I can do some bunny hunting.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: TxAg on January 25, 2014, 04:25:00 PM
Quick question.....

I'm feeling a little more hand shock than I used to. I think I'm not using enough heel. I can feel the vibration running into the base of me neck. Maybe a little more bend in my elbow would help.

Any suggestions?
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 25, 2014, 05:13:00 PM
Post up a video for us txag
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: TxAg on January 25, 2014, 05:23:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Brianlocal3:
Post up a video for us txag
We could spend days on my bad habits  :)
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 25, 2014, 09:01:00 PM
Couldn't we all. Personally I don't heel my American semi longbows much. I use a low grip and press thru the lifeline. I also keep a very loose grip, so much so that the bow jumps forward a little upon release.
I don't think your feeling the thump from not heeling the bow, check your bow arm. You may be locking it out, and that will jar ya pretty good on these bows
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Post by: MikeNova on January 25, 2014, 10:28:00 PM
Brian how did you do at the shoot?
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 26, 2014, 12:47:00 AM
I took 2nd. I shot 326/400 winner shot a 328/400.  45 shooters this month, it was great
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Post by: bsv on January 26, 2014, 08:42:00 AM
All the talk about the Morningstar,I just put my Shrew Hill up for trade for one,if that doe'st work then I'll have to order one.any-one know J.D.'s time frame these days
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Post by: Hermon on January 26, 2014, 08:54:00 AM
I am trying out a 68" Hill style bow and have noticed something that bugs me a little.  I wear eye glasses and more often than not, the string bumps my glasses when I come to anchor.  Any other eye glass wearing folks have this issue?

I am thinking that this bow is just a little too long for my style/form and a 66" bow may solve the issue.  64" is the longest bow I have previously shot (a r/d bow) and never have noticed this happening with it.
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Post by: cedar on January 26, 2014, 09:06:00 AM
Try canting the bow alittle more.  You may be too upright with the bow.
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Post by: TxAg on January 26, 2014, 03:14:00 PM
Thanks guys.

I moved the brace a quarter inch and put a bit more bend in the elbow. It helped quite a bit.
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Post by: pavan on January 26, 2014, 03:38:00 PM
I typed this on a iPad without my glasses,  I will delete it , there are too many typing errors.
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Post by: Hermon on January 26, 2014, 05:32:00 PM
Pavan-  I have shot a straight grip before and haven't noticed any interference before, but it is the first time I have shot a bow this long.

I don't feel I shoot a "target" style.  I shoot low wrist on my other longbows with a canted bow. Haven't ever shot a bow straight vertical unless a specific shot called for it.

Had nice weather today to get outside and shoot it more.  Wasn't as noticeable today but still had it happen a few times.  I still feel that I would be better served by a slightly shorter bow.  Thanks.
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Post by: frassettor on January 26, 2014, 05:37:00 PM
Hi fellas!

I'm looking at ordering a Hill. I was looking at the Wesley Special, but just out of curiosity for those who know so much more about theses then I do. What's the difference between the models they offer besides the amount of bamboo laminations?
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Post by: typical2 on January 26, 2014, 05:47:00 PM
From what i understand HH longbow models are different in the number of lams and type of wood in limbs.  The Tembo is their 3 lam bow.  The Wesley has 5 lams.  Others have 4 but you can have extra lams upon request.  All models can come backset, straight, or string follow.  Also they can make any in a reverse handle.

Eric
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Post by: frassettor on January 26, 2014, 05:55:00 PM
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Originally posted by typical2:
  All models can come backset, straight, or string follow.  Also they can make any in a reverse handle.

Eric
What are these?
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Post by: far rider on January 26, 2014, 06:22:00 PM
Richard,
The difference in the 3 primary bamboo models goes a little farther than just the number of lams. The Tembo has 3 lams with 2 lams on the back of the riser, and the 3rd lam or belly lam is designed to come up over the fades onto the belly of the riser.
The Big 5 has 4 lams of bamboo all on the back side of the riser. That is why most Big 5 models you see have black or brown glass to cover the fades without any bamboo there.
The Wesley is more like the Tembo design with 4 lams on the back of the riser and 1 lam over the fades on the belly.
There are of course variations to this by custom order, but that is the way those 3 are designed.
The Redman is all yew, 3 on the back side and 1 on the belly.
The Halfbreed, Cheetah, and Owl are a combo of yew, juniper or osage outer lams, then 2 lams of bamboo, then a final lam of yew, juniper, or osage on the belly of the riser. Most of the models with bamboo cores mirror this design. He makes an all osage limbed bow that is typically like the Redman, except with osage orange.

That's about it. You can of course custom order in many different wood combos. Carbon can be added as well as actionboo cores etc.
 
Craig will build them straight, backset up to an 1" or string follow up to an 1". He will also make a forward riser variation on request.

Each of these bows have unique characteristics.

Tim
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Post by: frassettor on January 26, 2014, 06:41:00 PM
Thanks Tim
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Post by: bicster on January 26, 2014, 07:05:00 PM
One thing you can't go wrong with is Howard Hill Archery's customer service.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 26, 2014, 07:19:00 PM
I was shooting the JD Berry Morningstar today. Weather was 55 degrees, back to 0 degrees tomorrow morning!!

Shooting some amazin Doug fir that I received from one of our members. Now these woodies fly great and if I could get the skills down to craft woods like this id shoot them more.
 (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/null_zpse54beaeb.jpg)

 (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/null_zps8dd61dd4.jpg)
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Post by: far rider on January 26, 2014, 11:25:00 PM
:thumbsup:  
Nice arrows Brian. Been frigid here plus I had a business trip that kept me away until this evening. Busy week coming up, so trying to get some time to work with the FF. Hoping this weekend.
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Post by: Green on January 28, 2014, 07:10:00 AM
Recommendations please.  Shrew Hill......FF or B55? Thanks
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Post by: RC on January 28, 2014, 11:10:00 AM
You guys should check out the hill gang hunt thread. What its all about. The other guys should be getting home and posting bout now.RC
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Post by: frassettor on January 28, 2014, 06:17:00 PM
:campfire:
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Post by: WESTBROOK on January 28, 2014, 07:07:00 PM
Rob, I would stick with the B-50,55,500 on that bow, they were not built for FF.

Eric
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Post by: Green on January 28, 2014, 08:04:00 PM
Thanks for confirming Eric.  I ended up PM'ing Ron and asking him directly earlier today.  He graciously replied with the same advice.  

I've built and shot a few B55 strings over the past few months.  I like that material quite a bit better than B50 as it settles in quickly and stays much more stable after the initial shooting.  It also doesn't give up much in performance over my D10 strings.
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Post by: pavan on January 29, 2014, 06:20:00 PM
My computer crashed. Going through the pile crap that had accumilated on my desk, looking for a clue to where I put my back up usb, I came across a wad of Hill pics. On one I noticed that he was pulling ring finger heavy and even twisting the string a bit. I thought, crap, I do that to. I loaded my new Morningstar and my r/d bow and went out to see if I had inadvertantly tuned my bows doing that heavy ring finger thing. I found that if I pulled heavy to the ring finger and light with index finger with my Morningstar that I got just a bit of string vibration, nothing much else and the arrows did not care. When I did that with the r/d, there was additional handshock and the arrows jumped up and right, sometimes way more than I would have thought. that explains the wacko miss that I had on that turkey.  It also explains why Hill said that he could not shoot well enough with a short sensitive bow.  When I shoot at game, delicate finesse things are difficult for me. What I wonder about is, if shooting a bow that corrects all of my faults will encourage me have sloppy form.
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Post by: Paul_R on January 30, 2014, 02:54:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:
.... What I wonder about is, if shooting a bow that corrects all of my faults will encourage me have sloppy form.
I understand your concern and I say why risk it? I'll give you a fair price for the bow and you can rest assured that it won't help my sloppy form at all!     :bigsmyl:
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Post by: pavan on January 30, 2014, 03:23:00 PM
The last time someone asked for a bow from me, he expected that it would be free.  When I told him that all of the free bows were gone, he did not believe me. Someone said that since I was shooting left handed, that I was dumping all of my right hand bows.
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Post by: bsv on February 02, 2014, 05:43:00 PM
I talked to James Berry today about my new to me Northstar,
  (http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x353/bsv1960/northstar/996A8439-1948-42CB-BCF0-5B4F8E488E2B.jpg) (http://s1177.photobucket.com/user/bsv1960/media/northstar/996A8439-1948-42CB-BCF0-5B4F8E488E2B.jpg.html)   (http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x353/bsv1960/northstar/C3565A31-EBE1-42F7-86E4-429763A330F0.jpg) (http://s1177.photobucket.com/user/bsv1960/media/northstar/C3565A31-EBE1-42F7-86E4-429763A330F0.jpg.html)   (http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x353/bsv1960/northstar/9BCA32C2-5B76-4B04-851E-CE1FBA4ACC46_1.jpg) (http://s1177.photobucket.com/user/bsv1960/media/northstar/9BCA32C2-5B76-4B04-851E-CE1FBA4ACC46_1.jpg.html)
What a wonderful,very knowledgeable man,thank-you for taking time for me on a Sunday morning James.I adjusted the brace like you suggested and BINGO,VERY SWEET!
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 02, 2014, 07:03:00 PM
Bsv,
Outstanding looking north star. That bows has classy down pat!!
Put her to good use
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Post by: Mississippi bow hunter on February 02, 2014, 07:27:00 PM
How much does the carbon help in HH. I talk to Craig last week and he was telling me that he could had a piece of carbon to the belly side of the bow. Craig said about 5-6 fps. I think I read somewhere that it made the draw feel a little more stiff. Just curious
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 03, 2014, 10:51:00 PM
Ok,
So I have not been able to shoot much since two Sundays ago due to my wonderful coworker giving me the flu which turned into a sinus infection and bronchotis.
On top of that I have been focusing on my JD Berry taipan since it's my 3d bow for the season . I got some great wood arrows not long ago (I love my carbons) to try an persuade myself to shoot in the trad longbow division at the worlds this year. And I must say when you get a great set , it proved that there is better than "wood arrow straight" these bad boys are "carbon straight"
I have since set out on a mission to learn to straighten arrows like this . I have gathered one of the two main parts needed to do it according to Rob Greens YouTube video. I'm waiting on my spinner to show up now.  I also need to get a good taper tool.

My Morningstar got brought out in full swing tonight and was stacking the woodies one on top of another.....  
When it comes to a straightlimbed bow I don't see how it can get better. I haven't shot but 6-10 arrows from it in over a month is say and it is just dead on target from the get go.
I hope yall are getting some shooting in
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Post by: pavan on February 03, 2014, 11:43:00 PM
I have a set of cedars for  mine that are under 500 grains, they are perfect with 145 grain heads. I have a bunch that are about 520 grains, they are perfect with the 160 grain heads. Then of course there are all of those 1918s which come in heavier. I was thinking about running over to the nearest archery shop that supposedly has a new top of the line chronograph, to see how my Morningstar handled these various weights, speed wise.  A local wheelie guy said not to bother because the readings were all coming in 50 fps slow. That is worse than the last one, which according to him, was consistantly reading 30 fps slow. I think I will just wait for a nice day and go out and shoot them for distance, they are all fletched the same.
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Post by: centaur on February 04, 2014, 07:36:00 AM
Green and I worked out a trade, Hill style for Hill style. He will be getting a limited edition HH 'Longbowmen's Choice' that is a bit too short for me at 64", and I will be getting a Shrew Hill at 68". I have salivated over the Shrew since they came out. Anybody else have a Shrew Hill, and how do you like it?
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Post by: Bob B. on February 04, 2014, 08:12:00 AM
Centar,

I had a 68 inch 49 at 28 pounds Shrew Hill.  It had 4 lams tempered boo, a brown glass back and white ( antiqued ) belly, with a myrtle riser.  Why I ever let Mudd talk me out of it I will never know!  All that bow did was make me smile, and hit nearly everything I ever pointed it at.  I killed both deer and hogs with mine.  I shot that bow so often, I would dream about it and could "feel" the shot in my sleep.  Man I am an idiot!

So, the Shrew Hill is a wonderful bow.  I found mine to not be the fastest or the prettiest, but dang I could hit with it and it always drove that arrow deep.  It was also spooky quiet.  Mine was a straight grip with wedge on the belly that was pretty sharp, that took a bit of getting used to for me, but once there ... well it just fit.  

Please post a picture of your bow.  If you enjoy Hill style bows, you are in for a treat ... I bet Green will regret trading his bow away.

Good luck sir.

Bob.
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Post by: Mudd on February 04, 2014, 10:19:00 AM
Bob B I'm sure I'd let you have it back if you miss it that much....lol

We could work something out.....lol

An arm or leg maybe?

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: tg2nd on February 04, 2014, 12:39:00 PM
A leg would be better 'cause he still could shoot.
   :biglaugh:
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Post by: bicster on February 04, 2014, 07:08:00 PM
Looks like Green is getting my old bow. It had it's longest home with me and I even took a whitetail with it.
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Post by: Green on February 04, 2014, 08:41:00 PM
Nice to know Bicster.  Don't worry....she'll get plenty of use, and will feed her well.    :D
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Post by: seven crows on February 05, 2014, 05:55:00 PM
For the Howard Hill/ Hill type longbow shooters. Do you prefer the Traditional "WEDGE" shape ( sharper or pointier on belly/palm side) or Rounded/slightly rounded shaped risers and WHY?  Especially interested in opinions if you have shot both. Thanks
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Post by: Tradcat on February 05, 2014, 09:27:00 PM
In my humble opinion, I think the wedge grip has allowed me to shoot more "torque free". The way it was explained to me was like this....If you hold a screw driver by the steel while trying to turn it on a screw, you have no leverage...BUT when you hold it by the much fatter handle, it turns a screw very easy. When I heard that...the light went on AND  I have found that principle to be very true in my shooting. Less surface area on a grip means less torque for me !  Tradcat
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Post by: pavan on February 05, 2014, 11:46:00 PM
One thing with a 2" plus grip, it does not matter so much what it is finally shaped like, the torque stability is up to the limbs. The wedge will fit into the hand and align with with the wrist bones. However, if the limbs will not resist torque and if the sharp grip is the wrong depth for the shooter's hand, there could be a loss of control. A deep heeled grasp is essential with the sharp wedge and the fingers need to be able pull that grip straight to the base of the hand. Regardless what grip is used, the longbow should never swim in the hand.
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Post by: Tradcat on February 06, 2014, 06:12:00 AM
amen
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Post by: Kris on February 06, 2014, 03:26:00 PM
I understand the reasoning behind a wedge shaped handle and can shoot one but it does feel organic or comfortable to me.  

I always alter my handles to fit my hands exactly, which means they are contoured and shaped like the palm of my hand, not a square block.

I like the tradition of a Hill handle and like how they look for some odd reason but to me they are NOT the epitome of a grip that I truly find desirable.

Kris
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 06, 2014, 03:31:00 PM
I'm the opposite of a lot of the hill style purists, as I do let the grip "swim" in my hands, nor do I pull the grip into the palm with my fingers, I let string pressure set the grip
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Post by: pavan on February 07, 2014, 02:17:00 AM
You can get by with that with a Morningstar, but I will never understand that three under thing. Tried it once, stuck an arrow between the two up stairs windows of my house. I was only off by about 45 degrees. I lifted the arrow off the shelf when I shot at my normal tempo.  I was trying to justify keeping a bow that was tillered for three under shooting. I gave it away.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 07, 2014, 01:50:00 PM
By the lack of activity here, it has me wondering if the scientists have actually found the cure for the "hill bug".
May the cold just has the infection laying dormant
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Post by: ron w on February 07, 2014, 02:09:00 PM
Maybe after almost 1100 pages total the topic has been covered.......   :biglaugh:   or not!
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 07, 2014, 02:26:00 PM
Oh, there is more to cover I'm sure. If not , then it can just by like the VFW, and start retelling all the old stories and opinions again. Lol
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Post by: WESTBROOK on February 07, 2014, 02:32:00 PM
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May the cold just has the infection laying dormant
Cold..heck it got up to 16 here, I'm outside shootin instead inside chatin. 5 degrees, clear sky,moonlight and snow you can shoot all night...

Eric
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Post by: pavan on February 07, 2014, 02:51:00 PM
Okay here is one. What is the best shot that you have ever taken with a Hill or Hill style longbow?
Mine is: We were out killing dandidlions and scaring ground squirrels in the grass field adjacent to an area golf course. I found an orange golf ball. Threw it over hand, fairly high and hard. Swung up my 89@27" Big 5 and at about 25 or maybe more yards, the blunt clinked off the the golf ball. I will never try it again so I can remain 100% on self tossed orange golf balls.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 07, 2014, 03:18:00 PM
My best shot todate.....
Both contestants were with the Morningstar.
First was out stumping, it was about. 20 degrees and windy as could be . I saw the opening of a 12" culvert at about 80 yards, so I drew , and released , just poking and hoping and my arrow struck home in the opening, hitting the side wall about 6" in. I too am still 100% on that shot  :) .

This is my other one
 http://youtu.be/2VPTaxSl5L0
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Post by: David Mitchell on February 07, 2014, 07:12:00 PM
Who will the next "hot" Hill style bow maker be who is the talk of the forum?  Seems we go through that cycle every so often.
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Post by: pavan on February 07, 2014, 07:24:00 PM
The talk of what is hot and what is not, does not always reflect actual bow orders to the bowyers.  As a matter of fact, I know lots of Hill shooters that are not members of any archery forum.
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Post by: katman on February 07, 2014, 07:39:00 PM
No best shots with a hill style yet, except my first whitetail, as I am waiting on the build of 2 different ones, have not shot one in almost 40 years. Got bit bad. Thanks for starting these threads I think. lol

Great shooting Brian.
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on February 07, 2014, 10:44:00 PM
I have two shots that I remember and witnesses can verify.
Two years ago at the Stickbow Round-up in Chester, TX about 20 folks were at the range shooting and warming. Folks were calling their shots and then would promptly miss and everyone would laugh at them. One of the bag targets was set out about 20 yards and supported by a wood stake. About 1 inch of the stake was sticking above the back of the bag. I was challenged shot the top of the stake. My arrow flew straight to the stake, hit and split the stake. I quietly walked down, removed the arrow, placed it back in my quiver and walked away smiling.

The second was when I was shooting with a friend. His aluminum arrow hit the bag and fell down vertically barely hanging from the tip. I asked him if he wanted to pull his arrow he said "No, you can't hit it anyway." I drew and center punched the shaft about 3" below the point. He still has that arrow hanging on a whitetail rack at his house.
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Post by: Dan bree on February 07, 2014, 11:53:00 PM
Rabbit hunting . The shot fell short bounced off the ground and hit him in the head  stone dead ! I told my buddy I like to bank them in !
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Post by: Charlie Lamb on February 08, 2014, 12:01:00 AM
Here is one of several events with a longbow I've experienced.

Hunting Javelina in south Texas I jumped A sounder of the little stink pigs in thick cactus and mesquite.

Several of them squirted through an opening in the cover and I got ready as I spotted the last one in line following the same path.

I swung the 70# longbow up as I came to anchor and  let fly as the Javie entered the opening. The shot was away and almost immediately deflected on an unseen stick or something. The 2219 arrow impacted a little far back.

The little pig spun around in a tight circle and I slapped another arrow on the string.
Suddenly the Javie and headed toward me tusks clacking in the still air.

I don't think it was charging me. It was just trying to get away and I was in it's way.

At about 6 or 7 feet I drew and shot. The Simmons Intercepter struck the Javelina just above the eye and entered the brain cavity dropping it in it's tracks.
   (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/Javieandme.jpg)
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Post by: Bob B. on February 08, 2014, 10:17:00 AM
Very impressive Mr. Lamb!

Bob
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Post by: mike g on February 08, 2014, 10:56:00 AM
Ok I'll play, one of my great shots was at a Gene Foster shoot....
    On Saturday the club pres came up with an idea to make money for the club.
    A 3" pancake on the 50yd bale, you paid a doller for two shots, If you hit the pancake ya got free breakfast Sunday morning....
    I was watching people take shots from my booth and I decided I would give it a try, So I walked down, paid my dollor, and I thought to myself, I'm going to do my best impression of Mr Hill.
    So I nocked an arrow and just stood and stared at that pancake and did a swing draw to anchor and let loose, Almost dead center and I got my free breakfast....
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Post by: katman on February 08, 2014, 11:52:00 AM
Very cool Charlie, I think I would need to change underwear after that.
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Post by: Overspined on February 08, 2014, 12:18:00 PM
Heard a shot from a rifle and a herd of deer come running down the lane left to right.  I'm RH shooter and I was on the ground. One breaks off from the group and at 10 yds I notice my fletching sticking out of the side as jumps over the hedge row on a flat run. A 35 yd track and there she is, double lung. I find what was a .300 win mag bullet hole through the guts, and gave him the deer he couldn't track...yuck.
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Post by: soap creek on February 08, 2014, 12:32:00 PM
The longest shot I've ever taken on a deer was with a Hill style bow. I was on the ground hunting when I seen a 10pnt. about 80yrds out. I grunted and he started my way. I knelt down on one knee, when he stopped broadside to me I thought" he's a little far but I can do this". I picked a spot in the center of the kill, drew, came to a solid anchor and released. The arrow hit him a little lower than my imaginary spot, center punching his heart. He immediately took off. He ran about 65yrds. then stopped to look back, and just fell over dead. Latter after all the excitement I stepped off the shot at 32yrds. If I would of known that at the time I would of never taken the shot.
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Post by: JDBerry on February 08, 2014, 02:02:00 PM
umm, Mt.goat or ground squirrel?, lets go with Mr.squirrel. In the early 80s some friends and I was standing on a dirt rd. one guy said "Berry bet you 20 you cant hit that squirrel"  it was about 40 some yds. I pulled up and shot, put out my hand and said " right though the chest boys" Knowing I did not have 20 bucks and it was a luck shot. My best was with a Duo-Flex. ...James
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Post by: Tradcat on February 08, 2014, 04:37:00 PM
Dang nice shootin Brian....or should I say, TEX !
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Post by: Tradcat on February 08, 2014, 04:42:00 PM
...you too Charlie !
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 08, 2014, 04:43:00 PM
Well I'm   TRYING to do the wood arrow thing right .

I'm practicing with fully painted shafts, seeing how they turn out.
Here is my cobalt blue shaft. Needs another round of finish
  (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/70E4BCED-E02F-4D15-A4B9-BAF6E297924B_zpsmwnige2l.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/jd%20viper/70E4BCED-E02F-4D15-A4B9-BAF6E297924B_zpsmwnige2l.jpg.html)

Here is my yellow shaft
  (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/D62725BF-1067-499D-A68D-F1D2BE6C8E7A_zpsxfwofvxu.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/jd%20viper/D62725BF-1067-499D-A68D-F1D2BE6C8E7A_zpsxfwofvxu.jpg.html)
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Post by: Tradcat on February 08, 2014, 04:47:00 PM
ok...my turn. We run an Archery program at our Church called Centershot. One Sun pm me and some of my trad gang buddies were slingin some arrows before the kids got there and the trash talkin began. My buddy Scott put up a "one eyed jack playin card into the targetand said bet you can't hit it. Pulled up my  64" Robertson Purist from 17 yards and dang if I didn't bulls "EYE" that jack ! Just like you Danny....I smiled and went to retrieve my arrow from the playing card !
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Post by: goobersan on February 09, 2014, 03:13:00 PM
I haven't made it thru every page yet... does anyone know of a link to making a hill style bow form? I'm going to try my hand at building a few. Can't imagine I wont like them and I have a piece of LVL just sitting in the corner. Thanks
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 09, 2014, 07:46:00 PM
Finished a set of woodies. All mismatched in design as I wasore concerned with shoot ability and practicing finish methods for different paint and stain schemes.
Here is my less gaudy arrow. All I have on hand was some lime green feathers
  (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/25C24267-A767-4703-89F2-DE6ACD7B2098_zpsfjg6zndr.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/jd%20viper/25C24267-A767-4703-89F2-DE6ACD7B2098_zpsfjg6zndr.jpg.html)
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 09, 2014, 07:47:00 PM
Here is a bright yellow and lime green stumper
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 09, 2014, 07:47:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Brianlocal3:
Here is a bright yellow and lime green stumper
 (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/6FC25E6A-2362-4BE4-A75C-DD5E3FF91994_zpsjw2k5rk3.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/jd%20viper/6FC25E6A-2362-4BE4-A75C-DD5E3FF91994_zpsjw2k5rk3.jpg.html)
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 09, 2014, 07:50:00 PM
They shoot good. 1st shot, 15 yds
   (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/D220607B-397C-4205-96BE-A57D2A72B880_zps7v9ry4il.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/jd%20viper/D220607B-397C-4205-96BE-A57D2A72B880_zps7v9ry4il.jpg.html)
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 09, 2014, 07:50:00 PM
 (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/51561A19-6F46-4AC0-8ECF-17FB3FBF9318_zpsiand29ds.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/jd%20viper/51561A19-6F46-4AC0-8ECF-17FB3FBF9318_zpsiand29ds.jpg.html)

My cobalt arrow
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 09, 2014, 07:51:00 PM
They are flying perfect from the Morningstar.
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Post by: akbowbender on February 10, 2014, 01:02:00 AM
Brian: What kind of shafts you using? Looks like your having fun with them.

I added another bow to the rack, another NM Classic, but this one is a TD. At 70" and only about 46#, it is a real pleasure to shoot. Like I was afraid of when I bought it, I'm having so much fun shooting this lighter draw weight, I'm starting to ignore the heavier draw weight bows!
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 10, 2014, 07:03:00 AM
Chuck,
These are some poplar shafts a friend gave to me a year ago.  I have a doz hildenbrand Sitka spruce in the mail for my serious arrows.

And as far as lighter weight goes, I know what you mean. My 45 and 47 lbr get shot a lot, the 50 too, but for some reason the 54 pound bow sits a lot  :)
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Post by: Blaino on February 11, 2014, 06:00:00 PM
follow link to see what Hill's are made for…….

 http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=211;t=000012
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Post by: katman on February 11, 2014, 06:03:00 PM
Nice job, that's putting your hill to good use.
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Post by: akbowbender on February 11, 2014, 06:34:00 PM
Way to fill the freezer! Wish we had some of those critters around here!
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 11, 2014, 06:51:00 PM
Great job
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Post by: akbowbender on February 12, 2014, 12:08:00 AM
When shooting my bows in the garage, I would lay them down flat on the freezer. When outside, l'd lay them down on either the deck or on the gazebo. I began to worry about dinging up the edges of my bows, so I whipped up this simple bow stand:

   (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii185/finnish-archer/ArcheryPhotos/Bow%20Stand/20140211_193118_zpsouhkam5h.jpg) (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/finnish-archer/media/ArcheryPhotos/Bow%20Stand/20140211_193118_zpsouhkam5h.jpg.html)
    (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii185/finnish-archer/ArcheryPhotos/Bow%20Stand/20140211_192358_zpsmfnvyqub.jpg) (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/finnish-archer/media/ArcheryPhotos/Bow%20Stand/20140211_192358_zpsmfnvyqub.jpg.html)
    (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii185/finnish-archer/ArcheryPhotos/Bow%20Stand/20140211_192407_zpsyzmq0wz4.jpg) (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/finnish-archer/media/ArcheryPhotos/Bow%20Stand/20140211_192407_zpsyzmq0wz4.jpg.html)
    (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii185/finnish-archer/ArcheryPhotos/Bow%20Stand/20140211_192416_zpslb93akid.jpg) (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/finnish-archer/media/ArcheryPhotos/Bow%20Stand/20140211_192416_zpslb93akid.jpg.html)

I like this better than hanging my bows from pegs, etc.

BTW: The bow on the left is the to me NM Classic TD that I picked up from Terry Keeney (neargeezer.) Thanks, Terry. It is sitting alongside my other Classic, a Dave Johnson and  a JD Berry.
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Post by: pavan on February 12, 2014, 01:01:00 AM
Starting tomorrow, I will be off line for a while. I expect this thread to be in good shape when I get back. See you next turkey season.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 12, 2014, 07:48:00 AM
Chuck, I like the bow stand. Nice job. That's a good looking set of bows too!!
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Post by: Pat B. on February 12, 2014, 09:05:00 AM
Pavan I'm sure everyone will miss your voice of experience !
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Post by: ron w on February 12, 2014, 09:07:00 AM
Pavan.....I hope everything is alright, take care!
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Post by: neargeezer on February 12, 2014, 11:20:00 AM
Chuck,

That's a very nice looking bow stand for just being "whipped up"!

Glad the classic fits your grip better than mine. It looks like it has some mighty fine company to reside with on that stand!

Terry K.
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Post by: jsweka on February 12, 2014, 07:20:00 PM
Hey Guys - Just thought I'd share a couple pics of my latest Hill style bow I built.  It's 68" long, 58# @ 28".  The riser is Macassar Ebony and the limbs are Honey Locust/actionboo.

I think me and this bow are going to get along great.

  (http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae23/jsweka/Longbow2014/SAM_1575.jpg)

  (http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae23/jsweka/Longbow2014/SAM_1578.jpg)

  (http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae23/jsweka/Longbow2014/SAM_1577.jpg)

  (http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae23/jsweka/Longbow2014/SAM_1584.jpg)
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Post by: goobersan on February 12, 2014, 07:23:00 PM
Looks great John (as usual)    :thumbsup:
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 12, 2014, 08:10:00 PM
Sweet bow john
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Post by: Green on February 12, 2014, 08:40:00 PM
You've really got this going on, John.  Nice....real nice!
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Post by: Mudd on February 13, 2014, 12:08:00 AM
I love the looks of your bow John!

   :archer:
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Post by: akbowbender on February 13, 2014, 12:16:00 AM
Great looking bow, John! Your shooting ain't too bad either!

Terry: The grip on the Classic is the same depth as on the Dave Johnson, 2", so it fits me real well. The other two are at 1-7/8". I don't think I'd like anything more than 2".
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Post by: cahaba on February 13, 2014, 05:49:00 AM
Great work there John.
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Post by: katman on February 13, 2014, 07:13:00 AM
Now that's what a bow should look like, great job, enjoy.
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Post by: Paul_R on February 13, 2014, 12:35:00 PM
Just got off the phone with Craig, my HHA Redman is done and should be in the mail today! Pics will follow.....


   :clapper:
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Post by: Centex on February 13, 2014, 12:59:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Paul_R:
Just got off the phone with Craig, my HHA Redman is done and should be in the mail today! Pics will follow.....


    :clapper:  
I am waiting on my new halfbreed to arrive this week.
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Post by: slayer1 on February 13, 2014, 02:52:00 PM
Does anyone know what type of strings come on Craig's bow's? Is it FF or B-50. I did a search but couldn't find it. I just ordered a 68" 50 @ 28 all bocote bow - caramelized boo of course!
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Post by: David Mitchell on February 13, 2014, 03:52:00 PM
Standard string is B50 unless you request otherwise.
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Post by: MikeM on February 13, 2014, 03:53:00 PM
I am pretty sure that Craig's standard string is B-50
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Post by: slayer1 on February 13, 2014, 04:10:00 PM
What do most of you guys use on your Hill bows, B-50 or Fast flight. It has been my experience with other bows that the FF does not have as much vibration, as well as an increase in performance. Is it the same with the Hill bows?
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Post by: 58WINTERS on February 13, 2014, 05:25:00 PM
B50 here. I just like the feel over FF.
58
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Post by: MikeM on February 13, 2014, 05:42:00 PM
I use theB-50 on my Hills
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Post by: Orion on February 13, 2014, 05:45:00 PM
Craig's standard is B-50, but he'll put on a fast flite string if you want one.  I use D-97 strings on Hills.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 13, 2014, 05:48:00 PM
I use. 14 strand TS1 + or 14 strand FF plus.
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Post by: Overspined on February 13, 2014, 06:38:00 PM
6 strand 450+ or 11 strand FF.  Double served with classic nocks.  B50 is fine
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Post by: David Mitchell on February 13, 2014, 06:46:00 PM
B50.
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Post by: swampthing on February 13, 2014, 06:51:00 PM
Dacron, nice and quiet without silencers.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 14, 2014, 05:07:00 PM
The JD Berry vixen got jealous that the Morningstar got new arrows so I made her up a set of stumpers too .
I used a red this time and really like it too

   (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/DB871BEB-AB14-481D-A4B8-30C39213321C_zps5gxdm5y1.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/jd%20viper/DB871BEB-AB14-481D-A4B8-30C39213321C_zps5gxdm5y1.jpg.html)

  (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/73BCACBB-D317-4A03-9E94-92C26627FB58_zpswrxuoe0a.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/jd%20viper/73BCACBB-D317-4A03-9E94-92C26627FB58_zpswrxuoe0a.jpg.html)
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Post by: woodslinger on February 14, 2014, 06:24:00 PM
Hey guys I have recently just reacquired an older model Big 5 that draws 60#'s @ 28". My dad drew 29.5" and had great luck with the old xx75 2117. I draw 27.5" and need a starting point for some shafts to try out at my draw. Wood is preferred but aluminum or carbon will also work.

I am a dyed in the wool recurve man and this will be first experience with a long bow so please pass on any shooting advice also.

Thanks
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Post by: Overspined on February 14, 2014, 10:03:00 PM
Woodslinger, you really should read the first Hill bug thread 900+ pages.  Lots there to answer questions in the first 1/2...

Feel free to ask more specific questions and there are many happy to try to help. Grip can be a huge part of these bows.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 15, 2014, 09:10:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by woodslinger:
Hey guys I have recently just reacquired an older model Big 5 that draws 60#'s @ 28". My dad drew 29.5" and had great luck with the old xx75 2117. I draw 27.5" and need a starting point for some shafts to try out at my draw. Wood is preferred but aluminum or carbon will also work.

I am a dyed in the wool recurve man and this will be first experience with a long bow so please pass on any shooting advice also.

Thanks
You could make the 2117 work easily, but you will have to keep them a little long .
I would choose a 2018 if i were choosing an alum for that bow
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Post by: Paul_R on February 15, 2014, 05:18:00 PM
My buddy the mailman dropped off a package from HHA today and had me doing the happy dance. Luckily for you all I didn't film that but I did snap a few pics of my BRAND NEW REDMAN! Yeah baby!

Chechen riser & tip overlays, moose leather grip wrap, and yew limbs. 68" 50#@28". The grip is deep and wide for my freakish big hands. 2 1/8" deep to be exact and - 1/8" dish. Thanks Craig ya nailed it!    :notworthy:  

    (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/DSC_0349.jpg~original)    (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/DSC_0345.jpg~original)    (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/DSC_0344.jpg~original)    (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/DSC_0347.jpg~original)    (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/DSC_0351.jpg~original)    (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/DSC_0353.jpg~original)
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Post by: David Mitchell on February 15, 2014, 05:51:00 PM
That bow is dead gorgeous! And to make it even better the shelf is on the correct side of the bow.   :biglaugh:   I love my Redman.
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Post by: slayer1 on February 15, 2014, 06:17:00 PM
Anybody have any good pictures of a HH wapiti? I think there is only one I could find in Part one. Thanks for the help!
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Post by: katman on February 15, 2014, 06:45:00 PM
Ha, David my pics must be reversed the shelf is on wrong side.
A real beauty you got there Paul.
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Post by: slayer1 on February 15, 2014, 07:23:00 PM
Wow that redman is awesome. How does it shoot. I have one ordered same specs except all bocote. What kind of arrows are going to shoot out of it?
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Post by: MT Longbow on February 15, 2014, 09:09:00 PM
Slayer1, I had the Wapity. I sold it.  I had a bunch of pics in part 1 of it.

Search for my posts you will find it.  It was beautiful !
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Post by: Centex on February 15, 2014, 10:53:00 PM
My new addition:
HHA Halfbreed w/ 5 lams (3 yew 2 boo)
68" 50@29
Alternating lams, clear face, white belly
2" Deep straight grip
 (http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r792/Centex7/6ded31051a35c53e0a88e2e0d5594783_zps3592a6bf.jpg)
 (http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r792/Centex7/95b5c6dfb7820b547e5be660c9b0c50c_zpsc317c793.jpg)
 (http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r792/Centex7/9fdb2a5115a6f5e3a1406c22f9ab8665_zps14cc3f9f.jpg)
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Post by: Mudd on February 16, 2014, 06:39:00 AM
A few more beauties.....wow!!

Bow porn at it's best!!

Thanks for sharing!!

   :archer:
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Post by: Green on February 16, 2014, 08:27:00 AM
Got the privelege of shooting Centex's new Half Breed yesterday.  What a great looker and performer!  Bill ordered this bow as a tribute to his Red Healer "Sol" who passed away recently.  The woods used throughout this bow mimic the colors of Sol's coat.  Just beautiful.....Craig really nailed it.
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Post by: lan91 on February 17, 2014, 09:30:00 PM
Anybody have the special edition "ol one shot"? I'm thinking of maybe buying one  :D
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Post by: moebow on February 17, 2014, 11:02:00 PM
Ian,

I have one and it's a great bow. You won't be sorry.

Arne
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Post by: lan91 on February 17, 2014, 11:36:00 PM
Thanks I'll buy it when the Australian dollar goes up some more. by the way I really enjoy your youtube videos  :)
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Post by: mike g on February 18, 2014, 10:20:00 AM
Question about a Hill Grip.
    If you order a bow and don't specify grip style, What would the stock grip be like....
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Post by: Tradcat on February 18, 2014, 01:18:00 PM
I have the same question as Mike G...?
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Post by: Paul_R on February 18, 2014, 01:35:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by mike g:
Question about a Hill Grip.
    If you order a bow and don't specify grip style, What would the stock grip be like....
Undefined.    :readit:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: David Mitchell on February 18, 2014, 03:44:00 PM
I can't imagine Craig would not ask about grip style along with other questions about the bow you desire.
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Post by: centaur on February 18, 2014, 03:47:00 PM
I'm with David, Craig would have that as a normal question when you would order.
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Post by: pavan on February 18, 2014, 04:00:00 PM
I got me new puter.  The last blank I ordered, the predicted grip was even built into that.  There are some variations on the stock bows, one should ask about the grip on those before buying.  They will be able to reduce those if needed.
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Post by: mike g on February 18, 2014, 04:44:00 PM
I ordered before and I know it's part of the questions asked.
    I was just curious about the size, mostly depth of grip, so I can play around with a piece of wood to see what I like....
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Post by: David Mitchell on February 18, 2014, 05:04:00 PM
Mike, that is a great idea, and when you get it to where you like it, send it to Craig (or whoever is making your bow) and let them duplicate it.
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Post by: pavan on February 19, 2014, 04:34:00 PM
I just ordered the leather bow case from Hill Archery, don't tell my wife.  You think she will notice?
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Post by: cahaba on February 20, 2014, 01:10:00 AM
.....
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Post by: sou-pawbowhunter on February 23, 2014, 08:28:00 PM
I have been thinking about doing the same thing that Mike proposed. It would be tough to give a bowyer a better start than a grip that fits perfectly.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 23, 2014, 09:00:00 PM
The green dense foam for fake flowers is great to practice building your grip out of.
Not special tools, it's quick and well just easy., it does not give when you hold it so you can actually GRIP it to get a good feel of how it sits in your hand
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Post by: cahaba on February 24, 2014, 01:15:00 PM
Great tip Brian. I am going to try it and send the profile to James. Thanks.....
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Post by: sou-pawbowhunter on February 24, 2014, 07:39:00 PM
Brian, that is a great tip. Thanks for passing it along.
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Post by: Overspined on February 24, 2014, 09:13:00 PM
I would definitely specify what you are looking for in a grip.  Standard is not an option, because each one you order as standard will likely be different...don't ask me how I know!?!
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Post by: pavan on February 25, 2014, 12:34:00 AM
So that is why you wanted all of those numbers, Matt?
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Post by: pavan on February 28, 2014, 04:10:00 PM
How many of us die hard Hill style longbow shooters are going after turkey's this spring?
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Post by: centaur on February 28, 2014, 06:00:00 PM
If our turkeys haven't all frozen to death, I will be chasing them starting late April.
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Post by: J.T. on February 28, 2014, 06:19:00 PM
will be hunting turkeys in May here in Michigan 70" NM classic huntmore chair and ghillie suit.
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Post by: cahaba on February 28, 2014, 07:09:00 PM
Turkey hunting is a passion of mine. I been practicing and tuning my calls for a month now. Our season starts March 15th. I will be scouting the next two weeks and try to roost some birds.
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Post by: Charlie Lamb on February 28, 2014, 08:54:00 PM
My turkey season is up in the air. Possible back surgery and certain knee surgery (just don't know the dates on the knees yet)

If I miss it I sure will miss it.   ;)  
   (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/2012ksjake3.jpg)
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Post by: Mudd on March 01, 2014, 07:10:00 AM
"The Lord willing" I'll be giving them my best shot with the "Amazon Queen", a JD Berry "Northstar".

Charlie you have my prayers for a quick and complete recovery.

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: Green on March 01, 2014, 07:23:00 AM
Good luck with the surgeries Charlie.  I hope they give you relief and help you to have many, many more years of an enjoyable hunting life.
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Post by: pavan on March 01, 2014, 11:33:00 AM
I feel for you Charlie.  Being partially disabled myself, I fight with my back 24/7.  Thanks to my teeter table, a good chiropractor and nutrition I am still going, but turkey's can spot those aluminum crutches from a mile away.  Times like that it is nice to have someone along that can set up the Huntmor.
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Post by: JDBerry on March 01, 2014, 12:44:00 PM
Best of luck to ya Charlie....James
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Post by: centaur on March 01, 2014, 12:54:00 PM
Charlie,
I hope all goes well with your surgery, and that you are terrorizing gobblers in a month or two.
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Post by: Linwood Hines on March 01, 2014, 11:45:00 PM
Will be saying a prayer for ya Charlie.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Linwood Hines on March 01, 2014, 11:53:00 PM
I briefly met a gentleman at the Pre-Spring Arrow Fling, in Tannehill State Park, AL. I was asking around about Nate Steen's quivers, as I was thinking about ordering one (I did, btw).  He was toting a HH style bow, and wearing one of Nate's quivers (light tan color, if I remember correctly) and offered for me to try it on.   I want to apologize to that gentleman, in that I was being rushed to leave by the guy I rode with, and should have at least asked his name.  If you are that person, please send me a message - I'd like to say hello and properly say thanks for the offer, now that there is time.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on March 02, 2014, 04:16:00 PM
I put some tapered cedars together for turkey's out of my 53 @ 26" Morningstar.  They are 27"bop with 145 grain Grizzlies and 48 to 50 pound spine, they are within a grain up or down of 451 grains and they fly real pretty.  I already know what a Grizzly does to turkey, but they are bit lighter than what I thought they would be.  Will they be okay at 8.5 grains per pound or are they too light for the bow, considering it has a fast flight string on it?
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Rossco7002 on March 02, 2014, 05:05:00 PM
I think you're good to go with a set up like that Pavan. I like to shoot an 8.5 - 9 GPP arrow out of all my Hills for the flatter trajectory. You've got more than adequate arrow and bow weight for turkey's too.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 02, 2014, 05:23:00 PM
So how do you fellow ASL shooters taper your arrows?
The new TBH mag has a good article on the old school way of Doing it.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on March 02, 2014, 06:16:00 PM
I use a device called Wapiti Archery.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: JDBerry on March 02, 2014, 06:43:00 PM
Pavan, not a problem. Rule of thumb, Fly good-shoot um.  .....James
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: WESTBROOK on March 02, 2014, 06:51:00 PM
Brian, ya got a belt/disc sander?

 http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=116898#000000
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 02, 2014, 07:36:00 PM
Eric,
I do not, but plan on picking one up sometime
Thanks for the link
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Post by: Paul_R on March 02, 2014, 08:12:00 PM
Thanks Westbrook!

In case any admin types are reading this, I think that link should be in the how to section.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Charlie Lamb on March 02, 2014, 08:40:00 PM
Moved to HowTo.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Charlie Lamb on March 02, 2014, 09:42:00 PM
I'm selling my old Big Five and took these pictures for the buyer. Thought I'd share before I send it away.
   (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/BigFive1.JPG)
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   (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/BigFive4.JPG)
   (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/BigFive5.JPG)
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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on March 03, 2014, 09:50:00 AM
Wow, 30" draw on that Big 5.  That bow would pull about 63 pounds is all for me.  I wonder what my old 89@27 would have pulled at 30".  About those tapered shafts.  My first ones that I did started out as 100# parallels and we tried the directions from my raggedy old Hunting The Hard Way back in early 70s.  Even though I was building houses, I did not have a belt sander, so we tried hand tool directions to make barreled shafts.  Six of those attempts were a disgrace to everything Acme cedar.  Absolutely without a doubt, the goofiest flying arrows that ever flew. I wonder how many Hill messed up before he got his technique down.
  I bought tapered ancient arrows for my wife, the taper runs most of the length of the shaft when they are cut to 27" bop.  They are less than 18/64" at the nock. They are magic, she fired two of them through a buck.  I attempted to copy that 26" taper last year. With a belt sander and a jig on a lathe, it takes a perfect shaft  to pull it off.  Out of the dozen cheap cedars only 6 did not have flared grain.  I ended up with 4 shafts that look okay, but have not fletched them yet.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: centaur on March 03, 2014, 09:57:00 AM
Didn't know you were selling bows, Charlie. If that one was only 20 or 30 pounds heavier, it would be perfect   :scared: . My shoulder hurts just looking at that one.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Charlie Lamb on March 03, 2014, 12:42:00 PM
I'm not sure I'm really selling bows per se Pat. I just know a guy that this one would fit just right.
This bow was ordered for me back in the 80's by a guy that must have thought I was a bull... I traded work for it.

30" was my draw length with a recurve and didn't realize the conversion back then. I shoot 28" with a Hill style bow and at that draw length the bow pulls 75#.

At 75# it was right in the ball park of the recurves I was shooting in those days.

Here are a couple of pictures of it in action.
 
Shot a hundred ground squirrels with it one day. The picture only shows half of what my buddy and I got that day. He got 120 with his compound.
    (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/Ahundredsquirrels.jpg)  

Hunting jackrabbits in the winter. Western Wyoming.    (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/squatdraw1.jpg)  
    (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/corralljack1.jpg)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mike Mongelli on March 03, 2014, 07:06:00 PM
Charlie, Did you get that bow in the 70's or 80's?  I believe that is John Schulz handwriting.  Nice bow!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Rossco7002 on March 03, 2014, 07:33:00 PM
Just had a new Miller Old Tom and a 7 Lakes Nite Lite show up in the mail today! One for me, one for my oldest daughters birthday.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Rossco7002 on March 03, 2014, 08:15:00 PM
Here's a pic:

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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: MT Longbow on March 03, 2014, 10:00:00 PM
What color on the back of that old Tom?
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Rossco7002 on March 03, 2014, 10:04:00 PM
Brown glass Patrick.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Charlie Lamb on March 03, 2014, 10:06:00 PM
Mike... the guy that got the bow for me said John Shulz made the bow.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: ChiefStingingArrow on March 04, 2014, 10:58:00 AM
It is amazing what those old Howard Hill bows have done down through the years!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: CDorton on March 07, 2014, 12:26:00 PM
You guys are slacking...bottom of page 2. Tisk tisk.    :nono:    :D
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on March 07, 2014, 12:42:00 PM
There are Hill threads popping up independently.  They must like starting new threads.  I wonder how many gangers by new bows and don't tell anyone.  I bought a Hill leathers bow case and a new Hill back quiver and kept it a secret.  By the way that leather bow case from Hill is nice work.  
The other thread is looking for pics, I have never seen pics or reports about a Hill Cougar.  They should make me one so I can tell everyone about it.
I am playing around with setting up some arrows that will shoot Hill elephant broad heads to shoot a deer with.  Matching head weights, so far the Alaskan tapered graphite shaft seems the likely carrier of my elephant heads.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Goshawkin on March 07, 2014, 01:15:00 PM
Rossco, two beauties there. I got a little 7 Lakes last year for my daughter. Mike sure does an awesome job on them!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: akbowbender on March 07, 2014, 02:31:00 PM
I just picked up a Morningstar, 66" 48@28, light brown back, dark brown belly.

I didn't think to ask about the grip. I just assumed it would be similar to my Misty Dawn which is 1 7/8" deep and is widened to fill my palm. This one is narrow and is 2 1/4" deep. Fits me just fine, though.

I started of with a 6" bh. Was ok, but it bumped it up a bit to see if there would be any improvement. The arrow flight got a bit wobbly, so I dropped it down to 5 7/8". Much better. Nudged the nocking point up a bit and got perfect flight. I think I'm going to have fun with this bow!

Welcome back, Nick!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Jim Picarelli on March 07, 2014, 03:56:00 PM
I got a 66" Hill Cheetah, 55@29 and a 66" Dave Johnson, 52@28 this week...both are fantastic shooters. This is the Johnson.
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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: akbowbender on March 07, 2014, 04:04:00 PM
Dave Johnsons are nimble and quick! Really like mine...
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 07, 2014, 09:03:00 PM
Here are my new arrows I made up for the Morningstar
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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 07, 2014, 09:04:00 PM
This is still a preliminary design. I may change it up a touch
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: slayer1 on March 07, 2014, 09:17:00 PM
Anybody have problem with string slap on a HH?
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on March 07, 2014, 10:01:00 PM
As in the string hitting the arm guard?  That is normal.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: akbowbender on March 07, 2014, 10:51:00 PM
Looking good, Brian.

I have a half-dozen Sitka Spruce arrows drying with their last coat of poly.

These ones are for my NM Classic TD. I back-tapered them the old school method you brought up a few days ago. I've compared the tapered and parallel shafts, and I definitely can see a difference in flight. The tapered shafts just fly nicer. Don't know if they just recover quicker, or there is better clearance, but they just work better for me.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Goshawkin on March 08, 2014, 09:06:00 AM
Brian, those look really cool! Kind of remind me of the old Pearson arrows.

Thanks Chuck, I usually slack off a bit on shooting once falconry season starts, I had a little medical issue thrown in this year as well,but I've been shooting more and more now and hopefully I'll be ready to go after the gobblers in a couple months.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: mike g on March 08, 2014, 10:32:00 AM
Slayer1
    I can shoot my HH without string slap, But ya got to pay attention to how ya hold the bow....
    Keep your wrist straight with your Arm.
I do wear one of my Armguards just in case, I lax my grip....
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: centaur on March 08, 2014, 10:37:00 AM
If you stiff arm the bow, prepare to get slapped, but if you have the recommended slight bend in your elbow, I haven't had the problem. I still wear an armguard just in case, but it mainly works as a strop for my knives and broadheads.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Rossco7002 on March 08, 2014, 11:04:00 AM
My string just "kisses" my arm guard just above the wrist - definitely not a slap.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Paul_R on March 08, 2014, 11:13:00 AM
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Originally posted by centaur:
 If you stiff arm the bow, prepare to get slapped, but if you have the recommended slight bend in your elbow, I haven't had the problem. I still wear an armguard just in case, but it mainly works as a strop for my knives and broadheads.
That's good thinking!    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: akbowbender on March 08, 2014, 12:01:00 PM
I generally don't use an arm guard when practicing, only when hunting. Switching to Hill style bows and having the slight bend at the elbow haS eliminated the problem I had with pain at the elbow.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on March 08, 2014, 01:21:00 PM
There is considerable difference in the string travel distance between fast flight and B50.  If you are using a low brace, it can be the difference between getting tagged by the string or not.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: slayer1 on March 08, 2014, 03:13:00 PM
Thanks guys. I will try the arm bend.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: soap creek on March 08, 2014, 06:47:00 PM
Hey Pavan, in response to your comment earlier "I wonder how many gangers our buying new bows and not telling any one" well I picked up a HH Redman a few weeks ago. Its 68" 50@ 29". Its a little light at my draw, but I have been really enjoying it. Its really smooth drawing. I'm sure the light poundage has some to do with it. The grip fits me just right, it a straight grip about 1 7/8". Bought it off another tradganger. Been a while since I've had a Hill style. Kind of refreshing , looking forward to shooting it more this summer at some shoots. Maybe we'll cross paths sometime?
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on March 08, 2014, 08:43:00 PM
Greg, the thing about a bow that is bit lighter, it can change your drawing speed, it can also cause a smoother more controlled draw.  A strong shot with a bow that is a bit light is always deadlier than a weak shot from a bow that is too heavy.  I missed a 180 plus buck with super heavy bow, I got the broad head back to my finger, but failed to adjust my shot to the change in the shot as I drew.  I was thinking to much about how cold and stiff I was and I was worried about not getting a full draw.  A 50 bow with well placed shot would have been a better choice that day.  If you ever find a deer down there that a 50 pound bow won't kill, run.  I may go to the hills a few days for the turkey season. Your corner of the state has great hunting land compared to the crowded parcels we have up here.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: soap creek on March 08, 2014, 09:34:00 PM
I have confidence in the poundage for deer, I'm just use to a little heavier bows. With that said most of my bows are not that much heavier, being in the 50-55 range. The Redman I have is more like 45 at my draw. Its a pleasure to shoot, its been hard for me to put it down since I got it. Having fun that's what its all about. Pavan maybe I'll see you at the ITBS shoot later this spring.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: lbshooter on March 09, 2014, 04:31:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by slayer1:
Anybody have problem with string slap on a HH?
I don't consider it a problem and havev always gotten a light hit on the wrist. I also prefer a low brace heigh that is exactly on my fistmele.with my Hill bows. I use an arm guard.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 14, 2014, 07:54:00 AM
I decided to alter the grip on my JD Berry Vixen the other day. I ordered it a couple years ago and had James make it in more the racetrack oval shape and it was a fuller grip. James has changed his grips to a very narrow 7/8-1" wide flat sided grip like what I received on my north star and I love it.

So I took it to the grinder and it is now just at 1" wide, and I added a 3/16" dish to it. The belly of the grip is tapered to a tight wedge and this alteration has just revived the Vixen back to full life!!!!!!
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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 14, 2014, 07:55:00 AM
This is the grip prior to the alteration

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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 14, 2014, 07:57:00 AM
 (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/new%20grip/file-43.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/new%20grip/file-43.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Paul_R on March 14, 2014, 09:55:00 AM
Hey Brian I'm assuming you had to re-seal the area that you worked on that Vixen. What did you use and how did you blend it with the original finish?
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: two4hooking on March 14, 2014, 10:23:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Brianlocal3:
So how do you fellow ASL shooters taper your arrows?
The new TBH mag has a good article on the old school way of Doing it.
I do.  .


This is how I do it…..
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I built my simple jigs out of a scrap piece of 2x4 lumber and a couple scrap pieces of angle iron.  Use some wing nuts and bolts and glue on a couple strips of 1 inch sanding belts to the inside surfaces.  I drilled a hole for a “stop” about 12 inches back on each.

I use my 5/16th inch drill bit to size the stop end and use the shaft itself to set the entrance gaps.

The process is simple.  Chuck the shaft into your drill and spin it through the gap in the angle iron.  I made a jig for rough sanding with course paper, and one for finish sanding with fine/medium paper.
 
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If you order your shafts 1 inch longer you can cut off the compressed part that was chucked in the drill…..but you end up tapering them anyway which usually takes care of the damaged area.

I went through 18 shafts in my 1 hour lunch break.

Anyway, it is another method and I feel spinning the shaft helps to get a good even taper and avoid oblong or misshapen areas.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 14, 2014, 05:20:00 PM
Thanks for the pics Greg. It's tips like this that really help us all . I'll have to work on one this weekend.

Paul,
Yes I had to refinish it. I have used Formbys tung oil before and it blends really well , you just need to feather it in well z

On this one I sanded down the entire bow and refinished it in high gloss lacquer as I really enjoy a high gloss bow
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Post by: mike g on March 17, 2014, 10:49:00 AM
Wow....
    What's up guys, I have never had to look up this thread on the second page before....
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: centaur on March 17, 2014, 03:17:00 PM
I'm thinking about ordering another Hill, so I called Craig today. I was thinking of getting a reverse handle, and he pretty much talked me out of it. He said that performance wise, all other things being equal, a reverse handle won't have the cast of a standard handle. I asked for his personal preference, and he told me that his best performer is the Redman, and that is what he shoots for his personal bow. Since he knows a thing or two about his bows, my next bow may very well be a Redman.
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Post by: NBK on March 17, 2014, 03:56:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by centaur:
I'm thinking about ordering another Hill, so I called Craig today. I was thinking of getting a reverse handle, and he pretty much talked me out of it. He said that performance wise, all other things being equal, a reverse handle won't have the cast of a standard handle. I asked for his personal preference, and he told me that his best performer is the Redman, and that is what he shoots for his personal bow. Since he knows a thing or two about his bows, my next bow may very well be a Redman.
Does that mean I can buy your cheetah?!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: centaur on March 17, 2014, 04:05:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by NBK:
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Does that mean I can buy your cheetah?! [/QB][/QUOTE]
No, but I do have a Shrew Hill that may go on the auction block.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on March 17, 2014, 05:29:00 PM
There must be something different from what James Berry does with the reverse option versus HHA.  I seem to remember that he said he could coax about the same and possibly better performance out of the reverse. From what I have seen, he was right. I would agree that when yew is done right, it is very good.  Grains per pound, I think my yew/bamboo is a bit quicker than my yew.  However, the y/b has more slope to the core than the yew.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: soap creek on March 17, 2014, 06:58:00 PM
What's happened? I bought a HH Redman off another Tradgang member, just to have a Hill style bow around to shoot when the mood hits me, and now I can't put it down. It's the bow I grab every time I want to shoot. What's more I'm shooting it as good or better than any bow I've ever owned. I thought Hill style bows were supposed to be harder to shoot? I'm lovin it.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: katman on March 17, 2014, 07:16:00 PM
You have been bitten, no known cure, enjoy the disease.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on March 17, 2014, 09:00:00 PM
I went out today and flight shot my two 51 pound Robertsons, my 54# yew and Morningstar 53#, it is remarkable to me how close they all were to each other for shot length with the same arrows.  The lefty Robertson and yew were right about the same, with the Morningstar and the righty Robertson, maybe taking a slight edge by a couple of yards on average.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 17, 2014, 09:36:00 PM
I'm agree with pavan on this one.
First off, I'm sure Craig knows his products better than anyone so if he says his reverse handles lack performance I'm sure they do, he is the craftsman.

I don't think this applies to all reverse handles as my JD Berry Northstar and Morningstar shoot right with my standard risered American Semi- longbows. And my Morningstar outperforms every standard riser ASL I have owned in similar specs. James has tweaked his design to achieve optimal performance, shoot ability and feel.

With that said I have not owned a HHA reverse.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: arrow flynn on March 17, 2014, 10:19:00 PM
IVgot both the vixen and the Morningstar and they are both top performers .iv had howard hill bows and jd berrys bows are definitely faster with zero handshock.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on March 17, 2014, 11:31:00 PM
I bought a Kramer built Razorback for a kd, when comparing it to two similar weight longbows for distance, it shot right with them.  What surprised us was the ease it took to shoot tight groups with it, not only for older shooters, but for the kid.  The wayward shots that he had with the Bear recurve, simply were gone.  He shot a deer with it still hunting on his first day out with it.
I should point out that my yew and my yew/bamboo are not really Hills.  They are from Hill blanks and have been tweaked quite a bit to perform at my draw.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: JDBerry on March 18, 2014, 12:23:00 AM
For me, a forward handle 66" is jussstt right.....  James  PS PAVAN,dont forget the mace when you go rabbit hunting!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on March 18, 2014, 02:01:00 AM
I didn't need it, but there were a couple that scared me a bit.  Now I am in turkey mode.  I spotted a couple with a nasty look in there eyes, I will keep it handy for them.  It was the same look that those four cock pheasants had that were in my neighbor's yard Sunday morning.  They knew better than to come on my yard.  I don't think that there is a closed season on towny pheasants, what with all that fighten and scratchen they were doing with each other, and to think right when everyone was heading for church.  There's no place for them devil birds around here.  Of course I got blamed for it, considering all of the corn and sunflower seeds in my yard from feeding squirrels and birds all winter.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: JDBerry on March 18, 2014, 10:42:00 AM
Know just what your saying evil, just plain evil birds. The way I see it, its a longbowmans duty to take them out. I would love to have a mounted pheasants head on my wall.  ...semaj
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on March 18, 2014, 12:22:00 PM
I always eat them.  I did mount a woodcock that messed up and flew into my arrow.  I asked my taxidermist to save the breast meat for me.  He thought it was a cool idea so he came out and took care of it pronto.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: centaur on March 18, 2014, 02:58:00 PM
I talked with JD this morning, and I will soon be sending him a deposit for a Morningstar. He is a very convincing advocate of his bow, and after watching a vid of the bow and seeing how whisper quiet it was, I decided to drop the string on a new one. Now the wait begins…tick, tock, tick, tock.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on March 18, 2014, 03:05:00 PM
Owning and shooting a Morningstar is one of life's true pleasures.  Thanks James for building such a fine looking and performing bow!

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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on March 18, 2014, 03:52:00 PM
Pat, if I were you I would hang on to at least one longbow until your Morningstar arrives, you will want to keep your strength and form up before you retire it.  It is good to have at least one backup bow, even if you don't ever shoot it.  I have a few to give to family and friends again, but there are no lefties in my group.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: centaur on March 18, 2014, 04:04:00 PM
Pavan,
I doubt that will be a problem! My prospective 'backups' are somewhat numerous (understatement intended).
My Cheetah is my current go to bow, and since it will probably be around the whitetail rut before I get my hands on a Morningstar, I hope that a few more critters may be in trouble prior to its' arrival.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Blaino on March 18, 2014, 04:32:00 PM
How many of you Hill guys hunt deer/pig size game with mid 40# bows at your draw?

I'm asking because I just got a really light recurve for my wife to try. It's right at 40# for my 30" draw and so much fun to shoot until it's making me want a Hill at around 45#@30".

This isn't a heavy/light thing.... just wanting to hear from guys that have used that weight in the style of bows we love.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 18, 2014, 05:02:00 PM
Centaur,
You will be very happy with yoyr decision and I couldn't say it any better than what Rob had said
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Bob B. on March 18, 2014, 06:35:00 PM
Blaino,

45 pounds is plenty for deer ... Heck years go most guys shot under 50.  At 30 inches of draw you have quite a power stroke.  I doubt you need to shot 10 grains per pound of draw, but if you do, boy howdy, you are really set man.  

Shot placement is everything ... Tune well and use a od sharp 2 blade head and start filling tags.

Lastly, I have a buddy who has shot though hogs with 45 pounds and heavy arrows.  I think you will be fine, good luck.

Bob.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: akbowbender on March 18, 2014, 06:59:00 PM
I'm liking my Morningstar. I didn't realize that the skinnier, deeper grip is James' new standard. I had expected the rounder grip like my Misty Dawn. Not complaining, though. The 2 1/4" depth feels great!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: MikeNova on March 18, 2014, 10:38:00 PM
Owen Jeffery shot about 30 pigs a few years ago with a 37lbs bow.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: David Mitchell on March 19, 2014, 10:12:00 AM
How big were those 30 pigs?  Any shielded boars? I have killed pigs that a 37# bow would have killed and some that it wouldn't in my opinion.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Blaino on March 19, 2014, 02:25:00 PM
I have no clue about those pigs Mr. Owen killed.  He has kill A LOT though!.... And he was a crack shot to say the least though!

Most guys that shoot the mid 40#s are shooting recurves or r/d longbows.  I'm more interested in guys shooting that same weight with Hill type bows.

I have never hunted with anything less than 55#'s. But shooting my wife's bow the other day and having all the fletching touch each other from 30 yards has me thinking..... I like being that accurate!

My gut feeling is everything would be fine. That feeling could be me just wanting another bow also...
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on March 19, 2014, 02:53:00 PM
Everyone should have a lighter bow to play with.  Hill had a few lighter bows.  His money bow was 56 pounds, with his 77" wing span he shot that bow at 28" or less.  With your 30" draw that would make 45@30 equal to most shooters 60# bows.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: MikeNova on March 19, 2014, 06:05:00 PM
David if you look on the Jeffery web page you will see a pig about 350lbs which he took with a 43lbs at his draw recurve . He had to drop back in weight the following year due to a shoulder injury
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: JDBerry on March 19, 2014, 06:36:00 PM
Blaino, 65# is a good way to impress your friends, But I have not got many so I like 47#...JameS
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: David Mitchell on March 19, 2014, 09:19:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by JDBerry:
Blaino, 65# is a good way to impress your friends, But I have not got many so I like 47#...JameS
Now that right there is funny, James.   :biglaugh:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 19, 2014, 09:23:00 PM
Agreed David, that made my day lol
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Ric O'Shay on March 19, 2014, 10:29:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by David Mitchell:
 
Quote
Originally posted by JDBerry:
Blaino, 65# is a good way to impress your friends, But I have not got many so I like 47#...JameS
Now that right there is funny, James.     :biglaugh:   [/b]
James is a funny man. I can't help but have a smile on my face for 30 minutes after I get off the phone with him!

Centaur- here is a little eye candy for your looking pleasure -

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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: centaur on March 19, 2014, 10:52:00 PM
Danny, you ain't helpin'! James told me I am looking at about 7 months wait, but from the looks of his bows, it will be worth it. What are the laminations on that beauty?
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: MikeNova on March 20, 2014, 10:44:00 AM
Btw I really wasn't advocating
Light bows for pigs Owen always recommended shooting a heavy a bow as you could comfortably shoot . On those pigs he shot you have to consider he is a heck of a shot and has the experience and patients to wait for the perfect shot .
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Steve Clandinin on March 20, 2014, 10:48:00 AM
Ric,that has to be one of the nicest longbows I've ever seen.I've owned two of James bows and his attention to detail with something so simple as a longbow is astounding.I had an Argos which I'd give alot of left hand body parts to have back.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: mike g on March 20, 2014, 11:37:00 AM
I'm thinking my next HHA bow will be a Tembo.
   And I was thinking of Grey glass back and white belly.
   Anyone have that combo, I would like to see it....
   Thanks in advance to all....
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: jwhitetail on March 20, 2014, 09:15:00 PM
25 days until spring Gobbler season - but who's counting!  

My Morning Star is read and turkeys are gobbling!

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(- and speaking of friends, James - I work at the shop on Sunday at 11:00 in the morning, but I can take your dollar if I get out there and get to it by 7:30!)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: mellonhead on March 22, 2014, 10:33:00 PM
I have just started taking an interest in Hill style bows.  I bought a Robertson Mystical and just traded into a Northern Mist Shelton.  To say I am excited is an understatement!  

Toby
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 23, 2014, 09:00:00 AM
Toby,
Glad to see your excitement, these straight sticks have a way of drawing you in and making you step back..  
The mystical is a very mild r/ d correct ?
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: mellonhead on March 23, 2014, 09:13:00 AM
Yes it is, but it kinda got me headed in this direction.  It is the closest thing I have ever shot to a Hill bow.  I am really looking forward to this Shelton.

Toby
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Rossco7002 on March 23, 2014, 09:57:00 AM
The Shelton is a great bow to get started with! My buddies old man has one - very sweet grip - seems like Steve is very close to John Schulz in that part of the bow.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: CHENRYIV on March 24, 2014, 08:46:00 PM
Well I got bit by the HH bug a couple of months ago and now have the fever. Since middle February, I’ve some how managed to acquire three HH style longbows.  A 68” 60# @28” Northern Mist Classic (one of Steve’s first builds), a 66” 54# @26” HH “cheetah “ and a 70” 70#@28” John Strunk “Spirit” 1984.  

My dilemma is I’m having so much fun shooting my HHs that I want to hunt with one this fall.  Since most if not all my hunting is done from a treestand, I’m thinking that I should have Craig build me a 60” or 62” “Big five”.  I spoke with Craig the afternoon and we discussed possibly a 62” with stringfollow and increase my poundage to 56# @ 25”.  I draw 25” on my HH bows.   I’d like to hear your options on the pros and cons before I pull the trigger on another bow.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: WESTBROOK on March 24, 2014, 09:29:00 PM
Crispin, if I was gonna go with a shorter Hill bow it for sure would be a reverse handle. It will put some stability back in the bow that is lost by going with a shorter length.

Eric
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: kestimator on March 24, 2014, 10:20:00 PM
Gorgeous bow Danny!!
That isn't helping this recovering Hill-O-Holic  :)  LOL!!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 25, 2014, 06:49:00 AM
Crispin,
I agree with Westbrook on this. I'm not sure about HHA bows but James at JD Berry designed the Northstar specifically for guys wanting to shoot American semi-longbows , and have a shorter bow and all I can say is he nailed the design perfectly.
Mine is 62" 54@26- and is as smooth and stable as any 68" bow I've shot.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: mike g on March 25, 2014, 10:34:00 AM
So I take it no one has a bow with Grey back and white belly to show me..?
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on March 25, 2014, 11:08:00 AM
Well Chenry, math has it that a 68" bow has 2.42" of bow for every inch of draw at 28".  At 25" of draw a 62" bow has 2.48" of bow for every inch of draw.  A local cop told me that if I was neglecting my dog like I am neglecting my 62" righty Robertson, he would have to take it away from me.  I should have never let him shoot it. My new go to bow is a 66" lefty Morningstar for my 26" draw.  The cop saw me experimenting Sunday.  From a ladder stand I can shoot both a 62" lefty Robertson or the longer Morningstar.  Then with my 68" righty and the 62" Robertson righty, just to show him that I could still shoot right handed. The one thing I found is with out of form shots, seeing how close in I could get, I had a lot of string to body contact with the longer bows.  Of course, these were jammed shots as I was not bending at the waste properly with no safety harness.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: tg2nd on March 25, 2014, 05:19:00 PM
UP
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: bulldog18 on March 25, 2014, 05:49:00 PM
Well the wait begins. Finally got a new HHA bow ordered. Wanted to be out of the norm and after hours of searching and talking with many fine people I placed my order. I found in old thread a Hill bow called the Red Hawk and was intrigued by it. So I called Craig and now have one on order. This was a model not offered by them but a creation from a customer. The specs on my bow are 68 inch with backset,46@28, Riser and limb tips are cocobolo. The belly lam is Juniper and the back is yew with two inner layers of bamboo. The Straight grip will have laced moose. Can't wait till it gets here now.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: mellonhead on March 26, 2014, 05:47:00 PM
I traded into a Northern Mist Shelton over the weekend.  It came today, wow!!!  This is my first experience with a true Hill style bow.  I have been shooting a Robertson Mystical for a couple months now and just fell in love with the simple things.  The Robertson has a locator grip so I was kinda sweeting the fact that the Shelton has a straight grip.   Boy was I wrong.  I believe the Shelton's straight grip fits my hand better than the locator on the Mystical.  I believe I am hooked!!!!!

Toby
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: bsv on March 26, 2014, 08:50:00 PM
Ya, That's happened to a LOT of US.

Burt
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Horserod on March 26, 2014, 10:09:00 PM
Now it begins..........The "LongBow" adventures gain another member! All hail the mighty longbow !!!    :D     Horserod
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Ric O'Shay on March 27, 2014, 07:29:00 AM
Yes, the long and winding road of the longbow affliction has begun. Welcome to the world of Longbowitis. It is a marvelous journey.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Kmurray on March 27, 2014, 05:10:00 PM
Well, after years of lurking, and only intermittent posting, I'm finally a member of the trad archery club... not only trad, but now a Hill bow fan...
I got my HHA Bobcat about a week ago... and I've been having so much fun with it, I've only just now got around to posting. It's a real sweet bow!!! Very underrated, if I do say so... by HHA and most shooters... if your a small person looking for a great bow please do not discount the Bobcat!

When Jason took my order, I had him build me a bow similar to the "legend stick" I've seen so many pictures of... I loved the combination of woods and white glass... and I was not at all disappointed in the product I received.

I'll have to see if I can post pictures... probably won't work the first time so bear with me.
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It's Bamboo limb lam's (I had an extra lam added for security ha ha), with Bocote riser and white glass on the belly, clear glass on the back... 60", and 45@26" which is my draw length I'm sorry to admit ha ha...

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It has blueish/grey grip with the "dished" profile... which I find very comfortable. May be because I've not tried other profiles to compare, but it's still very natural in my hand.

One impressive thing is the amount of back set that was in the bow:
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The riser is about 1/2" off the table here... and the bow is still very easy to string, and for my amateur/beginner skill level very easy to shoot..
Having just barely started, I can consistently place my arrows in a milk jug from about 12/14 yrds (depending on where exactly the sun is ha ha. I have to adjust my position to get out of this AZ sun.) ... Not epic accuracy, but I think it's not half bad for never shooting a traditional bow, let alone never shooting a Hill bow...

My journey has just begun! But I want to thank TradGang for the inspiration and education to make this a much more enjoyable start than my introduction to wheel bows so many years ago... A special thanks must go out to MoeBow for his videos on YouTube, which I've watch so many times over and over.... I truly think they have helped me get started in longbow shooting with a good basic idea of what I was getting into.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: bsv on March 27, 2014, 07:53:00 PM
Your going to enjoy that bow,congrats.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: bsv on March 27, 2014, 07:55:00 PM
Does any-one know how to contact Mr. Steen? I'd like to get a quiver from him. Burt
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: ChrisM on March 27, 2014, 07:57:00 PM
BSV I pmed you.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Ric O'Shay on March 28, 2014, 08:26:00 AM
Kmurray -
Congratulations on the bow. I purchased a Bobcat for my grandson and he loves the bow. I've shot his bow and it performs nicely! It is much lighter than yours though.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on March 28, 2014, 01:17:00 PM
Can the Bobcat be ordered with a reverse handle?  That could lengthen its useable draw length, which would be good for some one with a kid that grows faster than anticipated.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: GregD on March 28, 2014, 07:07:00 PM
Pavan, what do you mean by lengthening useable draw length? Does the reverse handle affect string angle?
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: hunthold on March 28, 2014, 10:24:00 PM
Reverse handle bobcat. 45@28 carbon and yew. I have a 64" reverse hill about the same weight and the 60" bobcat is every bit as smooth drawn to 28". I ordered it as an experiment and I love it and wouldn't sell it.

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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: akbowbender on March 28, 2014, 11:34:00 PM
Nice bows there, Kelly and Jeff!

We've had a nice stretch of weather here lately....clear, warm and mostly calm, so I 've been getting a lot of shooting time in after work.

I usually take out 2-3 bows and give them a workout. Today was particularly nice, and I was feeling well rested, so I brought out all of my bows out:

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l'm guessing I shot around 200 arrows, which is a lot for me. I was shooting extremely well. Surprised that I only broke one nock.

I could have kept going, but I figured I shouldn't over do it as it looks like it is going to be a real nice weekend. Why can't it be moose season now!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on March 29, 2014, 01:48:00 AM
To answer Greg directly, if a standard Hill grip is a bit over 2" deep and the core of that bow is is1/2", the string angle and the bend of an identical length bow would be about the same as a regular gripped bow that would be drawn 1&1/2" less.  String angles may vary, but in comparisons that I eye ball measured, it looks to be a bit better than a 2" total bow length difference.  In plainer terms, a 66" reverse can have less string angle than a 68" standard.  That will vary with layup and tiller.
I have yet to draw my Morningstar simultaneously with a similar length bow or one that is two inches longer.  Drawing that much over100 pounds is hard on my sprained wrist.  I hurt more than my hip when I slipped on the ice, when that nasty poopy cedar wax wing landed on my bow while it was minding its own business just hanging in my apple tree.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Stump Buster on March 29, 2014, 08:48:00 AM
AKBB,

Would ya mind giving us the makes and models of those babies please?

NICE collection and variety!!!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: akbowbender on March 29, 2014, 12:12:00 PM
Thanks, Stump Buster.

Lt to Rt: 70" NM Classic TD, 66" JD Berry Misty Dawn, 68" NM Classic,  66" JD Berry Morning Star, 66" Dave Johnson

BTW: I like your ghillie!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: jeffg on March 29, 2014, 07:39:00 PM
Just got me a Northern Mist Superior 63#@28 from a fellow TG and lovin it.
I was wondering what the lowest brace height would be for this bow.
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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Stump Buster on March 29, 2014, 09:40:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by jeffg:
Just got me a Northern Mist Superior 63#@28 from a fellow TG and lovin it.
I was wondering what the lowest brace height would be for this bow.
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Where it's set in that pic is pretty low...I'd bring it up just a little bit more.   :D

I'm sure someone here will help ya quickly, but if it shoots quiet at fistmele, you can start there.

THANKS for the info on your bows AKBB!!! The ghillie is just extra parts I cut off of a Rancho Safari suit to cover my shoulders. The Rancho Safari hat is laced onto a desert tan boonie cover and is just enough to break up the human silhouette while still allowing me to draw without string interference. That pic was taken by my father a long time ago on a hunt we shared. Didn't get a deer, but had a great time together in the woods.

Thanks Again,

Stump
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: WESTBROOK on March 29, 2014, 09:51:00 PM
Jeff, mine runs pretty good at 6.5", from there to 7" should be good.

Eric
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: alex321 on March 30, 2014, 04:31:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by akbowbender:
Thanks, Stump Buster.

Lt to Rt: 70" NM Classic TD, 66" JD Berry Misty Dawn, 68" NM Classic,  66" JD Berry Morning Star, 66" Dave Johnson

BTW: I like your ghillie!
Hi, I am just curious how you like your take down?  I am researching Hill 2 piece take downs and there seem to be a lack of choice and maybe some problems with the handle.  How do you find it?

thanks and enjoy what is left of the weekend.
Alex
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: MikeM on March 30, 2014, 05:32:00 PM
I have HHA take-downs - Redman, Longbowmans Choice, and Cheetah and had a half-breed that I sold since I was reducing draw weight. I never had any trouble with the two piece design.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: MikeNova on March 30, 2014, 06:23:00 PM
Hill bows you can't just buy one!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 30, 2014, 07:55:00 PM
Well mama was gone today so after I finished laying a floor I went out for some fun with my Vixen.

Shooting at 50 yds for some "shooting the line" practice.
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  (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/497DB57B-A625-4AF7-B820-06124551B843_zpsbpxqbutv.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/jd%20viper/497DB57B-A625-4AF7-B820-06124551B843_zpsbpxqbutv.jpg.html)

  (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/AF691273-3817-46B3-BE33-7F964526E74B_zpsx1z5ugrq.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/jd%20viper/AF691273-3817-46B3-BE33-7F964526E74B_zpsx1z5ugrq.jpg.html)


I have been giving my time to the JD Berry Morningstar lately, but this ol vixen is as sweet as she has ever been. Honestly is she made it even remotely a challenge to shoot well I would probably shoot her more but alas she seems to make   It too easy to be accurate  :)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 30, 2014, 07:57:00 PM
One more of the grip that I altered to make fit

  (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/vixen/D695B11C-2929-4CE8-8383-E3DB4C9BC1BE_zpsds4fnzjj.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/vixen/D695B11C-2929-4CE8-8383-E3DB4C9BC1BE_zpsds4fnzjj.jpg.html)
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 30, 2014, 08:05:00 PM
More fun with the VIXEN

 http://youtu.be/BzEHEZw4p_Y

 http://youtu.be/uyYJnND3Qik

 http://youtu.be/eHRLf9AqvE4

 http://youtu.be/w1Bb-Skeu9Q
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Post by: Bob B. on March 30, 2014, 08:49:00 PM
Brian,

Great shooting!  Your child did a great job videoing,  I especially liked the narrative on the last one!

Bob.
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Post by: pavan on March 31, 2014, 10:22:00 AM
My old too long for me Big 5 came home one day and is gone for good the next. I bought it used, I wanted to see how a 70" bow would work for me again. String contact to the chest, I gave it away. After three years of not hearing from my old friend, he gave it back, he bought a bow.  We had a nice day yesterday, six bows out and a bunch of different arrows. A guy rides by staring, turns around and stops.  He asks why so many bows for both hands. I told him how I could only take an occasional shot right handed, so the only right hand bow I hunted with was the yew.  He wanted to try one, but said that he had a 29" draw. He had a solid 27.5" draw with a longbow.  He shot my Robertson Pierce Point 62", 58@28, and I let him shoot the 70" Big 5, 60#.  A strong quick learner.  He picks up the Robertson and says "Maybe a bit short, like you said, it sure shoots nice, but so does that one.  What do want for them?"  I told him $550 for the Robertson and $300 for the Big 5.  He said that he would be right back. Twenty minutes later, I was up $300 and down one Big 5 and one old Bigshot.
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Post by: Goshawkin on March 31, 2014, 11:35:00 AM
Sold off all my other bows ( except for an old Browning Cobra  and a couple bowfishing beaters) and only have and shoot American Semi longbows now. Here's my collection with my daughter's little 7Lakes bow all the way to the right.
  (http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc156/goshawkin/Mobile%20Uploads/photo_zps2622a470.jpg) (http://s216.photobucket.com/user/goshawkin/media/Mobile%20Uploads/photo_zps2622a470.jpg.html)
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on March 31, 2014, 12:03:00 PM
Nice group of longbows you have there!    :thumbsup:
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Post by: akbowbender on March 31, 2014, 03:31:00 PM
What a nice collection, Nick! Wish I lived close by so I could swing in and check them out in person!
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Post by: Green on March 31, 2014, 03:50:00 PM
That's like a Cabaret right there!
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Post by: pavan on March 31, 2014, 04:35:00 PM
I should sell off my non Hill style bows as well.  I no longer have that desire to collect an arsenal and I only shoot just the two, the two that fit me the best and shoot the arsenal of shafts that match them.
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Post by: Stump Buster on March 31, 2014, 04:38:00 PM
Whoo Hoo... Steve called today... My Shelton and Huron are in the mail!!!

Of course it's raining like crazy right now, but maybe it will settle down after they arrive so I can shoot them a little this week.

I'll have details and pics after they get here.

Stump
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Post by: Goshawkin on March 31, 2014, 05:48:00 PM
Thanks guys. Chuck,anytime my friend. I think I remember you saying you either had relatives or you lived down this way. If you ever come back to visit let me know,I'll even drive a ways to meet you and let you try them out.
Pavan, I figured I may as well sell them to somebody that will use them,they were all just hanging on the rack for a while now.
StumpBuster , way to go man,you gotta love a guy that orders 2 bows at once!!!!
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Post by: kestimator on March 31, 2014, 05:55:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Green:
That's like a Cabaret right there!
Made me have impure thoughts  :)

What a lovely bunch for sure!!
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Post by: Stump Buster on March 31, 2014, 06:28:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Goshawkin:
Sold off all my other bows ( except for an old Browning Cobra  and a couple bowfishing beaters) and only have and shoot American Semi longbows now. Here's my collection with my daughter's little 7Lakes bow all the way to the right.
    (http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc156/goshawkin/Mobile%20Uploads/photo_zps2622a470.jpg) (http://s216.photobucket.com/user/goshawkin/media/Mobile%20Uploads/photo_zps2622a470.jpg.html)  
Holy Cow Goshawkin'...I shoulda gone back a page before I posted!!! THAT's a collection!!!

I'll try to catch up, but you're gonna tough to beat!!! I do have a JD Berry Vixen and a Yellowstone Renegade on order too, so there IS hope for me yet. THANKS for sharing your pic...it's gonna be my wallpaper for a few days to help ease the waiting pangs!!!    ;)
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Post by: Goshawkin on March 31, 2014, 07:53:00 PM
StumpBuster, 4 bows on the way ??? Niiiiiice!
You only go around once,you may as well be happy!
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Post by: jeffg on April 01, 2014, 06:10:00 PM
Well Westbrook you were right on with the brace height on my Northern Mist Superior. @ 6 1/2" she is dead quite and she does shoot 10gpi arrows with authority  Thanks. Yea I will be seeing Steve at the Baltimore shoot in May maybe I will have to get another maybe heavier or shorter or both.
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Post by: Kevin Hansen on April 01, 2014, 09:32:00 PM
Really enjoy this thread.
I'm wondering if those of you with experience would expound on a question that was asked several pages back and only partially answered. The previous poster (don't recall his name) asked for opinions on the two-piece takedown versions of the Hill style longbows. I, too, would be very interested in hearing from people that like them, and those that don't. I've never had a takedown longbow, but am considering getting the feature on my next bow. One thing that makes me hesitate on getting one is the question as to whether or not the two piece feature compromises the longbows performance characteristics? Another thing I wonder about is will the fit on the takedown sleeve still be good and tight in 10 or 15 years? Really, the only reason I am considering a takedown is for airline travel and part of me thinks I could just endure the extra hassle and travel with my one piece longbow.
Thoughts? Experiences? Opinions? Insights?
Thanks.
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Post by: neargeezer on April 01, 2014, 11:59:00 PM
Kevin,

I don't think any of the takedown systems create any loss in performance, at least I have never noticed it.

The metal sleeve takedown stays tight as long as it is kept waxed with the wax from the wax ring for a bathroom stool. I don't like that much metal close to my hand on cold days.

The connexion hinge is a good solid system, comes apart quickly and doesn't have the wax to deal with. It can be a little cold but the correct leather wrap can greatly reduce that feeling.

My current favorite is the bow bolt as Dan Toelke installs it. He uses a micarta riser for strength and with a leather grip I don't think it feels any colder than a wood riser. It comes apart with a quarter turn and slips it apart. I haven't found any negatives with this system on my Super-D.

You might have someone do a carbon sleeve which would be just about as warm as wood. They still require a little wax now and then, but it didn't seem like as much.

I don't think you'll ever regret getting a takedown.

Terry K.
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Post by: David Mitchell on April 02, 2014, 12:06:00 AM
No loss of performance on my Howard Hill TD Owl.  Excellent and long proven design in that sleeve system.  And I have never ever waxed anything about the sleeve and have had no issues at all. It would be simple as anything to do if ever I need to though.
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Post by: soap creek on April 02, 2014, 10:46:00 AM
Hey neargeezer (Terry)
I want to thank you for selling me that Redman. I shoot it better than any bow that I own including my recurve. I think its the smoothest drawing longbow I've ever shot. If I'm ever out your way I'll give you a holler, maybe we can do some stump shooting.
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Post by: neargeezer on April 02, 2014, 11:15:00 AM
Hey Greg,

Glad the Redman is working out for you, I know it was hard for me to admit that it was a little to much bow for me and actually sell it. It always helps to know that it went to someone that appreciates it.

Stump shooting would be great. I have a pretty  good area about a mile from the house that I could use some help with.

Terry K.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: soap creek on April 02, 2014, 04:01:00 PM
Chalk up another one for the Hill bows.

Last Sat. our church had an outing for the men. We gathered at one of the members property for some clay shooting and some archery fun.
After the clay shooting was done, the men gathered together for the archery end of it. One guy set 3 clays on a big round bale, that was just under 20yrds to shoot at with his compound and release. I was shooting my HH Redman. Well with everyone watching he took aim at the 1st clay and shot hitting right beside it. I couldn't resist so I shot at it too, hitting right next to his arrow. He shot again with the same result, then I shot breaking the clay. Some of the guys laughed and he just looked at me and nocked another arrow for the 2nd clay. He shot at the 2nd hitting right beside it, I shot and broke it. Now the guys are starting to pay a little more attention. Well he nocked another arrow to shoot the 3rd clay and again hit right beside it. I shot and broke the 3rd clay. The guys were laughing and he looked at me and I just smiled back. I don't think when we started anyone thought I had much of a chance against a wheelie guy. To be honest I didn't either. It was just a friendly competition, but it sure felt good walking away, knowing I gained the respect of the on lookers that day, with just a stick and a string.
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Post by: 4dogs on April 02, 2014, 04:06:00 PM
:thumbsup:  Aint it fun!
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Post by: Kevin Hansen on April 02, 2014, 07:39:00 PM
Neargeezer and David M,
Thanks for your thoughts on takedown Hills.
I'm curious if there is anyone who prefers the one-piece Hills and if so, why?
Thanks.
Kevin
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Post by: akbowbender on April 02, 2014, 11:58:00 PM
I bought my connexion hinge NM Classic from Terry. It is slightly heavier than my one piece Hill style bows. Other than the weight, there's no difference in the feel of the shot.

I think Terry passed on some good mojo on this one too. While I haven't gone head to head with a wheelie shooter like Greg, I've turned a few heads at the range!
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Post by: soap creek on April 03, 2014, 07:06:00 AM
That Terry must sprinkle a little magic on them bows before he sends them out.
As for me and the wheelie guy, that was one of those days everything was just clicking for me.
I don't claim to be a great shot but it worked out that day.
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Post by: neargeezer on April 03, 2014, 10:38:00 AM
Chuck and Greg, thanks, but I think what your seeing is that I took all the bad shots out of the bows being the type of shooter I am.

Being that the bows are now in the hands of good shooters, they probably have no wrong left in them.

By the way, great shooting Greg!

Terry K.
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Post by: pavan on April 03, 2014, 01:06:00 PM
When you find a bow that has that natural magical accuracy, shoot the same bow, the same arrows, the same way, and you will see your accurate shot range increase.  It is an odd feeling at first, to just shoot one bow, but good things start to happen.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: soap creek on April 03, 2014, 08:37:00 PM
I think there's a lot of truth in what you said Pavan. Over the years there were some guys I shot with that used the same set up for as long as I'd known them, and they were pretty tough competition. Also the way, or style they shot never varied, always the same.
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Post by: soap creek on April 03, 2014, 09:04:00 PM
Thanks for the compliment Terry. Also thanks for taking those bad shots out of that bow you sold me. Some guys will go to any length just to help out a fellow Tradganger.   :notworthy:
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Post by: soap creek on April 03, 2014, 09:05:00 PM
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Post by: Paul_R on April 03, 2014, 09:30:00 PM
I've been after one for a long time and I finally got me a LH JD Berry Morning Star, yeeha! Got it here on TG, big thanks to Doug (Lefty4).

I wanted one with the tall, deep, wedge type grip and I got the exact opposite! Pictures can be sooo deceiving and shame on me for not asking for dimensions.

But.....

It's got an almost imperceptible locator grip with a coke bottle profile. The only Hill bow I've ever seen this on is my Kramer and I gotta say, once I made it mine by wrapping it in beaver tail this lil thing rocks! I like it! Well done Mr Berry!

   (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/20140403_175840.jpg)   (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/20140403_175849.jpg)   (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/20140403_175856.jpg)
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Post by: jsweka on April 05, 2014, 07:10:00 PM
Beautiful bow Paul!

I finally got my European mount of the buck I killed last fall with a Hill style bow of my own making.  It makes a nice addition to the man room.

 (http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae23/jsweka/Hunting2013/SAM_1663.jpg)
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Post by: JDBerry on April 05, 2014, 07:25:00 PM
Nice job with the beaver tail wrap Paul!...James
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Post by: Goshawkin on April 05, 2014, 07:53:00 PM
John, nice mount and bow.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: MikeM on April 05, 2014, 11:08:00 PM
In regard to lighter weight Hill bows - 45-48#@29" draw would there be any significant difference in the Tembo, Big 5 or Wesley Special? In that draw weight range would one be more preferable?
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Paul_R on April 06, 2014, 10:27:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by JDBerry:
Nice job with the beaver tail wrap Paul!...James
Thank you James!
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Post by: pavan on April 06, 2014, 01:51:00 PM
Mike, the final shape and length of a particular bow will have more to do with it than the number of laminations.
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Post by: mellonhead on April 06, 2014, 06:55:00 PM
Can someone tell me the difference between the standard grip on a HHA bow and a wedge grip?  I am new to Hill bows and Just traded into a Big 5.  The grip has the profile of an egg with the small end towards the rear.  I really like the grip, curious if its a wedge or standard.  Thanks.

Toby
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Post by: lbshooter on April 07, 2014, 09:11:00 AM
THe grip that you have is referred to as a wedge shape.It is quite common for this shape to be slightly dished as well.
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Post by: pavan on April 07, 2014, 10:17:00 AM
If that Big 5 grip has a rounded egg shape with a slight bulbous look,  it is a Kramer.
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Post by: mike g on April 07, 2014, 10:41:00 AM
It could also be the take down grip.
    My big 5 has what Craig calls his small take down, with slight dish....
    My bow is not a take down, it just has the grip.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Paul_R on April 07, 2014, 11:12:00 AM
The way I understand it a fat egg is a standard grip. A skinny elongated egg is a wedge. Technically speaking. ...
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Post by: pavan on April 07, 2014, 03:18:00 PM
A couple of close up pics would get you a definitive answer.
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Post by: mellonhead on April 08, 2014, 07:52:00 PM
I called HHA tonight and they told me it was a wedge grip.  This is my first HHA bow and only my second Hill style bow.  I really like the grip.  It really locates the hand well.  I was struggling with the grips on these bows for awhile and the wedge style helped me locate my hand better.  My extreme nock high issue is gone.  Its now back to my same old nock high issue I was born withh!!!!!!  It has been a bit if a journey learning how to shoot these bows, but I'm determind to make them work.

Toby
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Post by: alex321 on April 09, 2014, 03:28:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by mellonhead:
I called HHA tonight and they told me it was a wedge grip.  This is my first HHA bow and only my second Hill style bow.  I really like the grip.  It really locates the hand well.  I was struggling with the grips on these bows for awhile and the wedge style helped me locate my hand better.  My extreme nock high issue is gone.  Its now back to my same old nock high issue I was born withh!!!!!!  It has been a bit if a journey learning how to shoot these bows, but I'm determind to make them work.

Toby
Toby, now that you know, maybe you could enlighten us too with a picture?  That would be much appreciated.

Cheers
Alex
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Post by: Kmurray on April 10, 2014, 07:35:00 PM
I'm getting there... I know it's only been a few weeks, but I think I'm getting the hang of this Hill bow!  

First week was full of fletching cutting my knuckle on my bow hand; And my forearm, wow.. it was ABUSED! However a few modifications to my grip and now I only get a slight "kiss" when I do something wrong. Great training aid!! ha ha!! (learning how to fletch an arrow resolved the knuckle issue on my bow hand)

Anyway, here's a little group in my back yard.. it's only about 12/13yrds but at least I can now get my arrows to fly well and go where I want them to (generally speaking).

  (http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j345/kmurray72/Bow/20140410_120154.jpg) (http://s1081.photobucket.com/user/kmurray72/media/Bow/20140410_120154.jpg.html)

I'm shooting XX75's that are too stiff, (500's) but it's all my local shop had that was close to being adequate for my short draw and light bow.I ordered some 175gr field points and trimmed them to 26.75" and they fly pretty pretty damn impressive when I do my part... I can't see nothing but nock when it all comes together..
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Post by: katman on April 13, 2014, 07:37:00 AM
Just giving a heads up, Kirk at Bigfoot bows is about to start #001 in the Stealth bow in about a week or so. This is something that has been in the works a while and will look much like a classic hill strung but give better performance. Plan on a build along on a separate thread showing the details of what goes into this design to make it so. I am also posting this in the r/d D bow thread. Thanks and keep an eye out for the build along.
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Post by: Shinken on April 13, 2014, 05:04:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Paul_R:


    (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/20140403_175840.jpg)    (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/20140403_175849.jpg)    
That is a *great* lookin' LH Morning Star Paul!  You did good with that beaver....

I can barely wait for James to glue up my LH Morning Star!

Keep the wind in your face!

Shoot straight, Shinken

   :archer2:
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Post by: Goshawkin on April 15, 2014, 08:44:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Kmurray:
However a few modifications to my grip and now I only get a slight "kiss" when I do something wrong.  
Guess everyone is different, when the string hits my arm guard at my wrist, I know I did it right.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on April 15, 2014, 05:58:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by katman:
Just giving a heads up, Kirk at Bigfoot bows is about to start #001 in the Stealth bow in about a week or so. This is something that has been in the works a while and will look much like a classic hill strung but give better performance. Plan on a build along on a separate thread showing the details of what goes into this design to make it so. I am also posting this in the r/d D bow thread. Thanks and keep an eye out for the build along.
be aware that if there is *ANY* snake in the unbraced limbs it is *NOT* an american flat longbow in the "hill tradition".

afl limbs can only be dead straight, or slightly reflexed, or slightly back set.  anything else will instantly make the bow a hybrid r/d.

i will add ...

the mild r/d longbow that braces to a classic longbow "D" shape has been around for many years.  the first commercial one was "the edge" built by jim & buddy of 21st century longbows (i had two).  this bow was a bonafide "ringer" that won the ifaa *traditional longbow* world champs, and should never have been allowed in the competition. its performance was a light year beyond all the hill styles used competitively.

these dayze, there are lots of mild r/d classic "D" longbows available.  none have anything to do with afl hill longbows.
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Post by: katman on April 15, 2014, 06:45:00 PM
Could not agree more with you Rob, this new bow is not a afl, Kirk tells me it will be a r/d braced to D that really performs.

Just wanted to make sure all the 'hill' lovers also new about this.

Thanks for the info on the edge.
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Post by: Paul_R on April 15, 2014, 07:59:00 PM
You tell 'em Rob!

   So let it be written! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bQnxlHZsjY)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: katman on April 16, 2014, 06:50:00 AM
Thanks for the chuckle Paul, when did Rob shave his head?
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Post by: pavan on April 16, 2014, 11:38:00 AM
A bit of cross thread sales tactics, I see.
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Post by: katman on April 16, 2014, 11:49:00 AM
If there is a problem with anything I posted please let me know.
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Post by: pavan on April 16, 2014, 12:49:00 PM
Rob mentioned the 21st Century bow.  I had high expectations of that bow as I did with the Stotler.  With the Stotler, I had handling issues when hunting.  With the 21st Century, I needed to make some kind of a timing adjustment to my hunting shots, that proved difficult for me.  Although I prefer the fastest shooting afl bows I can find and there is not all that much difference in arrow speeds between them and the three snaky longbows I own at my draw length, but for us bent bow arm guys, if you put a bit fur or feathers and speed on the target, that final little bit of timing and the ability of the bow to absorb a chunky hard release becomes more important than a few feet per second.  The difference between a near miss and a solid hit is a big deal to a cottontail.
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Post by: ScouterMike on April 16, 2014, 01:43:00 PM
Agreed Pavan, when the target is still and is not going to move allowing lots of time then those touchy feely snaky bows are great. The ASLs however just seem to make those quick targets easier to hit.
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Post by: cahaba on April 16, 2014, 04:20:00 PM
I got the call today from James. It's going to be a long week.
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Post by: katman on April 16, 2014, 04:35:00 PM
Cahaba, what do you have coming? I spoke with James yesterday and I am, about 3 weeks out on my Morningstar.
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Post by: cahaba on April 16, 2014, 07:10:00 PM
I'm getting a Vixen. Will be ordering a Morningstar soon. Show us some pics when you get yours.
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Post by: pavan on April 16, 2014, 10:42:00 PM
My Morningstar has caused me a lot of trouble.  My wife watched me compare bows.  Now she thinks I have three too many left hand snaky bows and two too many right hand bows.
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Post by: ScouterMike on April 17, 2014, 06:40:00 AM
Hopefully your wife will understand the weighty responsibility you have taken on acquiring all these bows for long term testing so your fellow archers will know what to expect. Of course with new models being introduced etc the task just never ends...
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Post by: katman on April 17, 2014, 06:49:00 AM
Pavan giving your wife access to your bow collection was your first mistake. Comment on her shoe collection, end of discussion.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on April 17, 2014, 09:07:00 AM
as a word of caution to all, this HH BUG GOT ME thread is about the howard hill longbow, and all american flat longbows.  

this thread is not about hybrid longbows.  

if yer unsure about what constitutes a howard hill american flat longbow, words and images are available in this article -  www.tradgang.com/docs/trad.html (http://www.tradgang.com/docs/trad.html)

in the spirit of this thread, please temper your posts accordingly.  thank you.
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Post by: pavan on April 17, 2014, 10:12:00 AM
Exactly, my wife wants me to only have Hill style bows.  Perhaps I should get her a nice light Hill, but at her 26" draw and 38 pound pull, it would have to be quicker than average.
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Post by: katman on April 17, 2014, 01:07:00 PM
Thanks Rob, won't happen again.
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Post by: pavan on April 18, 2014, 12:15:00 AM
In a couple of weeks, Katman, you are going to have some serious non snaky fun.  Those first three shots on this are the same as my most natural feeling rhythm with my Morningstar.  Almost like the bow shoots itself.
 http://youtu.be/Z1iQhBhngD8
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Post by: katman on April 18, 2014, 07:47:00 AM
You just made my wait harder pavan, thanks a lot, lol. Cool video link, enjoyed it very much.

I started out with an afl design many years ago and am anxiously awaiting to have a non snaky bow again.
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Post by: Mudd on April 18, 2014, 07:52:00 AM
Thanks Pavan that's a reel I hadn't seen before.

I need a second and third opinion from those who watch this.

If I am seeing correctly Mr Howard is using his middle finger as his anchor.

Years ago I switched from using the same finger to using my index finger because I thought it brought the arrow closer to my eye and I thought I had read where Mr Howard shot this way.

I guess I got some misinformation.

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: pavan on April 18, 2014, 10:26:00 PM
In one film Hill anchored with his index finger while giving shooting lesson.  If you watch that film closely, you will see that when he goes about his business, he anchors with the top of the middle finger inline and behind the corner of his mouth.  I was told that he had gap in his lower molars that he hit with the middle finger.
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Post by: Mudd on April 19, 2014, 07:33:00 AM
Thanks Pavan!

I guess I had it correct on both counts...woohoo! That doesn't happen very often.....lol

I shot yesterday using the middle finger, it felt strange after years of using the index finger.

The resulting conclusion is....both ways work.

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: Orion on April 19, 2014, 05:42:00 PM
Hmmm.  Interesting video.  In his books, Hill describes his shooting style as using the index finger in the corner of the mouth.  Sure does look like he's using the middle finger to the corner of his mouth in a number of those shots.

They both work, of course.  If one anchors in the same place, the index finger to the corner of the mouth has the effect of lowering the rear sight so to speak, i.e., placing the arrow nock lower on the face vis-a-vis the middle finger to the corner of the mouth.
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Post by: Trad Longbow Joe on April 19, 2014, 07:50:00 PM
In Hunting The Hard Way, Howard describes his anchor as his middle drawing finger to the corner of his mouth.  I read this else where as well, second finger to his eye tooth.
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Post by: Blaino on April 19, 2014, 08:41:00 PM
Awese video Pavan!
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Post by: Blaino on April 19, 2014, 08:53:00 PM
I know a lot of archers talk about Hill's achor point.... For me the greatest advance in my ASL accuracy was accomplished by string placement along with finger placement.

Look at all of Hill's photos and all of the old timers for that matter....... The string is touching the outside of the eyebrow. Once I made the effort to make brow contact along with middle finger anchor my accuracy improved greatley!

Give it a try. I'm sure you'll agree....
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Post by: pavan on April 20, 2014, 12:10:00 AM
The touch of the string on the brow gives a consistent head angle to the string and the arrow, it gives the brain  more reliable information to work with. If the bow gets too short I lose that on my left side, it makes a difference for with my left/right variance on longer shots.  As Hill, Schulz and many others have stated, everyone has their own best anchor point. Hill goes so far to say that for some hard and tight is better while others a light touch is better. On my right side I am better with a somewhat lighter double anchor. On my left side, I am better with a hard plant with the finger tips with a light tag with the thumb knuckle on the back of the jaw.
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Post by: Overspined on April 20, 2014, 07:06:00 AM
I've played around a bit with anchor placement and had a local buddy, truly a Hill style expert, tell me why most folks would do well with index to anchor. It lowers your draw hand at anchor point, obviously, but that really helps the archer to engage back muscles in the draw. A higher anchor tends to make it easy to lose the back tension on the draw, or make it difficult to engage.  I was surprised at the difference.

I'm sure Howard could do whatever he wanted without a problem, but I definitely noticed a difference.
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Post by: Rossco7002 on April 20, 2014, 07:24:00 AM
I'm with Blaino - pull til the string touches my brow. Really made a difference with consistent draw length and anchor plus I use it as a psycho - trigger as per Joel Turner's TP techniques.

Jeff Schulz passed that little gem my way and I owe him for it.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on April 20, 2014, 07:55:00 AM
as always, shooting form should be, and is, a personal thing.  do whatever it takes to be most consistently accurate.  don't get into the habit of following what others do or preach - they are not, and never will be ... you!
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Post by: Dan bree on April 21, 2014, 03:55:00 PM
I can't do the ibrow thing because I were glasses.  My middle finger hits my lip and the arrow is gone.  Any body with glasses  do the same thing
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Post by: lbshooter on April 22, 2014, 07:52:00 AM
I have had the Hill bug for 30 years, still going strong.  Just got this beauty called. "Simba".  Was at the house when I got home yesterday.  Craig used  5 lama of dark carmelized bamboo, myrtle riser over lams, deerskin straight grip, 55#, 68".  Probably one of my best shooters!!  (No, didn't shoot that lion with a bow).

  (http://i1370.photobucket.com/albums/ag252/caputo_art/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsbe29f463.jpg) (http://s1370.photobucket.com/user/caputo_art/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsbe29f463.jpg.html)
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on April 22, 2014, 08:10:00 AM
that's a beauty, art!
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Post by: Bud B. on April 22, 2014, 08:13:00 AM
Beauty indeed!
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Post by: Goshawkin on April 22, 2014, 10:40:00 AM
"Simba" is a great name for it, matches the lion's colors beautifully
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Post by: Green on April 22, 2014, 12:34:00 PM
That's a beautiful piece of work!
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Post by: TxAg on April 22, 2014, 01:56:00 PM
I normally like dark colored woods, but Simba is a sweet looking bow. Congrats!
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on April 22, 2014, 03:51:00 PM
Pretty pretty bow
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Post by: bsv on April 22, 2014, 07:18:00 PM
I was lookin thru an old bow and thought I"d share these.
  (http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x353/bsv1960/2014-04/Howard%20Hill/B8E7336A-6E97-46D9-AE72-37D3D69079A9.jpg) (http://s1177.photobucket.com/user/bsv1960/media/2014-04/Howard%20Hill/B8E7336A-6E97-46D9-AE72-37D3D69079A9.jpg.html)
  (http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x353/bsv1960/2014-04/Howard%20Hill/E6C3E9DE-C28F-46CD-8435-8A7F9DD1926B.jpg) (http://s1177.photobucket.com/user/bsv1960/media/2014-04/Howard%20Hill/E6C3E9DE-C28F-46CD-8435-8A7F9DD1926B.jpg.html)
  (http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x353/bsv1960/2014-04/Howard%20Hill/F0D69BAF-B4F3-49EF-B466-838F533D2C05.jpg) (http://s1177.photobucket.com/user/bsv1960/media/2014-04/Howard%20Hill/F0D69BAF-B4F3-49EF-B466-838F533D2C05.jpg.html)
Burt
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Post by: JDBerry on April 22, 2014, 09:49:00 PM
Your Archers Digest is in better shape then mine, I just opened it and the cover fell off! Think I bought it new in 1974, GREAT BOOK!  Even then, the best battled for what they felt was the best bow design.   ...James
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Post by: cahaba on April 23, 2014, 12:45:00 PM
My Vixen arrived today. What a bow! Thanks James for making me one. Thanks IdahoCurt for the handle material.....Mor.e pics to follow and review

   (http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff47/cahabarivr/100_0927.jpg) (http://s238.photobucket.com/user/cahabarivr/media/100_0927.jpg.html)

  (http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff47/cahabarivr/100_0926.jpg) (http://s238.photobucket.com/user/cahabarivr/media/100_0926.jpg.html)
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Post by: Green on April 23, 2014, 01:20:00 PM
I'm envious Cahaba.....she's a beaut, and am wanting to add a Vixen to my lineup.  
    :D
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Post by: Paul_R on April 23, 2014, 02:34:00 PM
I really like those contrasting fades between the lams, very cool!
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Post by: Kmurray on April 23, 2014, 03:24:00 PM
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Originally posted by Goshawkin:
 
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Originally posted by Kmurray:
However a few modifications to my grip and now I only get a slight "kiss" when I do something wrong.  
Guess everyone is different, when the string hits my arm guard at my wrist, I know I did it right. [/b]
Goshawkin,
Sorry for the delayed reply.
Mind you I'm brand new and still learning... for a while now that has been true; no wrist slap, and arrows on target... however...

Just recently I've discovered that my drawing arm elbow tends to stick outward at full draw... I recalled somewhere here on TG, a diagram of someone's draw with a line superimposed on the photo, showing how the drawing forearm is in line with the arrow (as opposed to being at an obtuse angle, as my elbow has done).
I attempted to "tuck" my elbow back behind me so that it was "more" inline, and made yet a new discovery... My arrows group tighter, I've increased my "draw length" by almost a full inch (my arrows are almost too short now, as the field points now stop on the shelf) and I do in fact get a gentle kiss at the wrist.

So I'm still learning, discovering, and strongly considering a wrist guard, as an hour of shooting does tent to get tender now.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on April 23, 2014, 03:24:00 PM
absolutely stunning vixen love the highlights in the riser section
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Post by: Goshawkin on April 23, 2014, 04:53:00 PM
Kmurray, like I said everyone's different. Do whatever works.
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Post by: Goshawkin on April 23, 2014, 04:54:00 PM
Almost forgot, I've been shooting about 30 years and I'm still learning!
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Post by: Goshawkin on April 23, 2014, 04:56:00 PM
I like the looks of that Vixen!
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Post by: soap creek on April 23, 2014, 10:17:00 PM
I got it bad. Put my WW royal up for trade for a Hill style bow. I looked a long time for a Royal and was very happy with it until I bought a HH Redman. Now I got to have another.
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Post by: Jim Picarelli on April 24, 2014, 03:33:00 AM
Nice bow, cahaba...been wanting a Vixen myself
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Post by: katman on April 24, 2014, 06:14:00 AM
That is a beauty cahaba, love James' riser work.
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Post by: kybownut on April 24, 2014, 02:57:00 PM
Just got Craig at HHa to hold a stock bow for me until I get home to send payment for it( I'm a truck driver) it's a 66" redman 48@27 also got a back quiver,arm guard and having them make me up a doz. arrows. This will be my first hill bow. Gonna be a long couple of weeks ,especially after he sent me pics!
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Post by: David Mitchell on April 24, 2014, 03:27:00 PM
kybownut, I love my Redman,,,,,,you're going to be a very happy camper!   :wavey:
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Post by: pavan on April 24, 2014, 03:49:00 PM
A friend of mine that discovered he had a 27" draw shooting Hill style was going to get that Redman, that two pounds under fifty pounds slowed his decision.  Mine is 57@27 and he thought one a couple of pounds less would be just right.  I just acquired a soft Hill quiver, very nice, no breakin required.  I was going to give it to someone, but once I got my hands on it I could not let it go.
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Post by: kybownut on April 24, 2014, 04:03:00 PM
Pavan, David thanks for all the info you and all the other members so freely share! I decided to go with ff string,I spoke to Craig and he said it dosent void the warranty.having read this thread I think is going to make the transition a lot easier! Thanks again.
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Post by: David Mitchell on April 24, 2014, 05:45:00 PM
I shoot my Redman with a D97 string.  Very tame and pleasant to shoot.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on April 24, 2014, 06:08:00 PM
bcy dyneema string fiber is all i use on any stick bow.  really good stuff.  df'97 for flemish, and it's lower wax counterpart d'02 for endless.

btw, here's the 23" big mouth back quiver i built last week for the st jude auction - it'd compliment any hill style longbow, for sure!

   (http://www.tradgang.com/rob/quiver/IMGP0378.JPG)
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Post by: kybownut on April 24, 2014, 08:37:00 PM
Nice looking quiver for a great cause!
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Post by: Shinken on April 24, 2014, 11:53:00 PM
KY - BN - as David M. said you cannot go wrong with a HHA REDMAN.

I have shot / owned many RH & LH Hill-style bows, but right now I have only ONE Hill-style in my stable - a LH HHA REDMAN - and it is smooooooth on the draw and shock-free on the release.  I am really thankful to the Trad Ganger who parted with it...I have been blessed!  You will definitely be shooting a great longbow!

Having said that, I am looking forward to getting my first Morning Star from James and shooting what sounds to be like a terrific Hill-style!

Keep the wind in your face!

Shoot straight, Shinken

   :archer2:
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Post by: pavan on April 25, 2014, 12:31:00 PM
It is a perfect day for turkey hunting and I am not. Over Easter we went north to see the grand kids.  My crack shot 7 year old, Kyler, and Savannah, the prettiest little blond in the world with a snotty nose, a real little Typhoid Mary.  You may rember her baby pic in the first HH thread.  She gave me her cold.  
However, Tuesday, I was out.  I set up in a nice cluster of basswoods and called.  Then I noticed a small buck, dead in the creek bottom, with a shredded carbon arrow and a mangled mechanical broadhead in his neck. I can almost hear the excuse. "I couldn't find my pins through the peep, so I took a guess and fired."  I stood up to go examine the deer and then move and there it stood, not 30 yards away, a tom.  He never made a sound.  With no arrow on the string, all I could is watch him bust.  Wondering about the what could have been, I put a judo pointed arrow on my Morningstar, took a quick aim at little white flower where Mr. Tom was before and fired. If I had known I was going to hit it, I would have shot at something else.  How do turkey's always have such lucky timing like that?
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Post by: Bluegoose on April 25, 2014, 08:50:00 PM
Wow, you guys are killing us with those gorgeous bows. Some very unique looking woods.

I'm settled in for a long wait on a Vixen and a short wait on a HH Half Breed.
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Post by: soap creek on April 26, 2014, 09:05:00 PM
Well I found a buyer for my WW Royal and I have a Dave Wallace bow 52@28 68in. headed my way Mon.
Things are lookin up.
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Post by: Paul_R on April 29, 2014, 09:44:00 PM
Enjoying a little down time with the Redman in the redwoods near Big Sur.

   (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/Mobile%20Uploads/20140429_143219.jpg)

Another perspective. Believe it or not I've shot turkeys from that porch. There's pigs and deer around too but those little coastal Blacktails are so rank and tick infested I just leave em alone.

   (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/Mobile%20Uploads/20140429_143800.jpg)
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Post by: Dan bree on April 30, 2014, 01:34:00 PM
How do you guys like the.  Cheeta. I need another bow like I need a hold in my head but saw a cheeta in stock  at HH  I like!    Please tell me not to buy it ! Lol.
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Post by: centaur on April 30, 2014, 02:18:00 PM
Dan,
My Cheetah is my most liked bow (at least for now). You know that you need another bow to compliment that Shrew Hill. It's only money!
The Cheetah juniper is a nice compliment to a whitetail's looks, don't you think?
  (http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac67/peastes/2dd99e5a-fc1d-477e-95d2-1dde0399cf52_zps5d29a0a5.jpg) (http://s886.photobucket.com/user/peastes/media/2dd99e5a-fc1d-477e-95d2-1dde0399cf52_zps5d29a0a5.jpg.html)
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Post by: TxAg on April 30, 2014, 02:31:00 PM
^^^ that's a nice picture! Bow, deer, plaid, and scenery all look good
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on April 30, 2014, 06:45:00 PM
Nice photo Pat. Glad you posted a "full size" of it.

Danny
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Post by: Dan bree on April 30, 2014, 11:45:00 PM
Thanks pat. You talked me into it  . Great pic.
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Post by: Bluegoose on May 01, 2014, 06:23:00 AM
Yes Sir, that's a great picture. Hard to decide what to focus on. Great deer, fine looking bow and intriguingly open looking country.

Now I'm kicking myself again for selling my Cheetah last year.
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Post by: Steve Clandinin on May 01, 2014, 11:26:00 AM
Beautiful picture Pat.Dan I had a Cheetah using yew cores instead of Bamboo,Sure wish I had that one back.Great shooting Bows.
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Post by: Sant-Ravenhill on May 01, 2014, 08:24:00 PM
I love the looks of the Cheetah...congratulations on the buck.
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Post by: Dan bree on May 02, 2014, 01:33:00 PM
Hey pat . How can live in such a depressing area  and with all those small critters running around!   Hope to hunt in that land some day it's on my bucket list.  O  and the cheetah is on the way !,,,,
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on May 02, 2014, 01:38:00 PM
It's good to get back to basics yet again, and at last - 7 Lakes string follow bow blank ordered.  This could be real fun.
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Post by: centaur on May 02, 2014, 03:20:00 PM
Dan,
Somebody has to do it. I'm just glad to be able to sacrifice. I bet you will like the Cheetah.
Pat
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Post by: cahaba on May 02, 2014, 05:08:00 PM
Congrats! The Cheetah looks awesome too.
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Post by: Bud B. on May 02, 2014, 05:51:00 PM
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
It's good to get back to basics yet again, and at last - 7 Lakes string follow bow blank ordered.  This could be real fun.
Can you post up some build-along pics, Rob? Mike is 40 minutes from my house. I have not mustered the grit to try to do one of his blanks. Maybe your prodding thru pics will tilt me over.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on May 02, 2014, 06:19:00 PM
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Originally posted by Bud B.:
 
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
It's good to get back to basics yet again, and at last - 7 Lakes string follow bow blank ordered.  This could be real fun.
Can you post up some build-along pics, Rob? Mike is 40 minutes from my house. I have not mustered the grit to try to do one of his blanks. Maybe your prodding thru pics will tilt me over. [/b]
yessir, will do.

this will be a 68" string follow longbow (carolina night), actionboo limbs under black glass, tips internally braced with a sliver of carbon fiber to best handle hmpe string fibers, no overlays anywhere, dark ipe riser with a slim locator grip.  42-44@29 = real lightweight so i can shoot a few hundred arrows all day long at the trad events.

mike will cut in the limb nocks, cut and radius the shelf and arrow plate, tillered out to the desired weight range for a split finger shooter.

just gonna take a buncha sanding and scraping, i think, i'll see.  for sure, before finishing, i'd like to see if i can amber aniline dye stain the 'boo edges for a more aged and "caramelized" look.

final finish will be a two-part auto enamel clear finish that my pro airbrush buddy will spray on.  BUT, i might just opt for a simple polyu wipe on clear finish.  

then i'll cut out a leather grip and lace it on.

fun stuff, eh?   ;)
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Post by: MikeNova on May 02, 2014, 06:43:00 PM
We'll turkey season is over round here so maybe I can post some pics with some hogs
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Post by: Bluegoose on May 02, 2014, 06:52:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
It's good to get back to basics yet again, and at last - 7 Lakes string follow bow blank ordered.  This could be real fun.
Sounds like a great project Rob. It will be great to see how it goes.
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Post by: Green on May 03, 2014, 05:31:00 AM
Thanks for giving us a better view of that deer Pat...nicely done!

Looking forward to your work on the blank Rob.
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Post by: cahaba on May 03, 2014, 01:42:00 PM
Rob always enjoyed your projects. Please keep us informed.
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Post by: Dan bree on May 04, 2014, 09:14:00 AM
Cheetahs in the house
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Post by: Dan bree on May 04, 2014, 09:21:00 AM
Hey pat  I can see why you like your cheetah so much.  Took only 3days to get here from HH  70inch 63@28.  So smooth it feels like 55. Will this be the last bow?? .
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Post by: MikeM on May 04, 2014, 10:08:00 AM
Dan I am not sure that any Hill Bow will be your LAST ONE
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on May 04, 2014, 10:16:00 AM
I'll follow Rob's build along closely. This will be fun.    :bigsmyl:
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on May 04, 2014, 10:31:00 AM
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Originally posted by Ric O'Shay:
I'll follow Rob's build along closely. This will be fun.     :bigsmyl:  
i wish it was a true build-along, it's just gonna be a finish-up.   ;)
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Post by: Green on May 04, 2014, 01:47:00 PM
Finish ups are at least as educational. That might be where a few of us get our start.  Bring it! Please?      :D
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on May 05, 2014, 12:16:00 PM
For most folks, finish-ups are tantamount to build-a longs. Still gonna watch it - still gonna be fun!!!
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Post by: Blaino on May 06, 2014, 08:59:00 AM
Does anyone here shoot the HHA "Badger?"
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Post by: Charlie Lamb on May 06, 2014, 09:15:00 AM
Looking forward to following your project Rob. What's taking so long?
   ;)
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on May 06, 2014, 09:26:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Charlie Lamb:
Looking forward to following your project Rob. What's taking so long?
    ;)  
i ask that same question.    :bigsmyl:
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Post by: Jacquesbonin on May 07, 2014, 02:35:00 AM
Blaine, I have one, carbon glass, back and belly over bamboo, Ebony riser, 62"65@28" sweet shooting bow, I draw 25.5" and shoot 2018's out it! It shoot great, a bit fancy for the woods, but a great bow! Jacques
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Post by: kybownut on May 07, 2014, 11:14:00 AM
Well my 1st hill bow arrived in the mail today, it's a redman with chi Chen riser 66" 48# @ 27" too bad I'm a truck driver and won't get to see it till sunday. Gonna be a long 4 days!
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Post by: David Mitchell on May 07, 2014, 01:59:00 PM
kybownut, now that is what you could call torture!   :eek:
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Post by: Jim Picarelli on May 07, 2014, 06:39:00 PM
Just picked this Hill Wesley Special up in a trade. 66" and 65@27, black glass with an ebony riser...what a beast! I traded a 62" Hill Ruffed Grouse, 48@26.5 for it so the 17 lbs is quite a jump for me but I wanted a heavy workout bow and this seems to be it. I'm partial to straight wedge grips but the locator grip on this is actually pretty nice to shoot...nice little thump on the loose and alot smoother than what I expected for a heavyweight. Not quite ready to shoot a 30 target 3D course with it yet but I think we'll get there
   (http://i59.tinypic.com/2ivmq2h.jpg)
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Post by: Overspined on May 07, 2014, 07:18:00 PM
How many Hill shooters are using, or have used clickers for panic issues or improve their form? I am curious of results as I know I've seen a few post they've been using them...
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Post by: MikeNova on May 08, 2014, 12:47:00 AM
Not me
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Post by: David Mitchell on May 08, 2014, 12:03:00 PM
I have them on a couple of mine.
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Post by: R.V.T.B. on May 08, 2014, 04:58:00 PM
I have cricketts on all of my Hills
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Post by: pavan on May 08, 2014, 05:20:00 PM
You having TP issues Matt?
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Post by: kybownut on May 11, 2014, 02:57:00 PM
For you guys that nock above the nock set what is a good starting point? Got to shoot my new redman some yesterday I was impressed at its performance,but it's is definitely gonna take some practice on my part after shooting my predator recurve for so long! The redman is really a lot faster than I expected it to be. I'm gonna dedicate myself to it and my hill back quiver.let the journey begin! I'm loving it already.
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Post by: Green on May 11, 2014, 03:50:00 PM
That's a great plan KyBN.....start 1/8" above and make every shot count!  Pics of said bow and back quiver forthcoming, right?
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on May 11, 2014, 03:52:00 PM
i prefer to nock under a string nock point because it's the middle finger (split finger) or pointer finger (3 under or 2 under) that should be carrying the lion's share of the string load at full draw.
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Post by: kybownut on May 11, 2014, 04:12:00 PM
Thanks guys, I was thinking nocking above would help with back quiver use.(per john schultz) I'm open to suggestions! Maybe I can get someone to help me post some pics when I get back off the road .
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Post by: Dan bree on May 12, 2014, 10:17:00 AM
I really don't see any differance in shooting above or below the nock. But I like below because it holds my arrow while on stand.
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Post by: Paul_R on May 12, 2014, 11:34:00 AM
Those of us who set two nocking points get the best of both worlds...   :D
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Post by: centaur on May 12, 2014, 11:41:00 AM
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
i prefer to nock under a string nock point because it's the middle finger (split finger) or pointer finger (3 under or 2 under) that should be carrying the lion's share of the string load at full draw.
x2
I find it just as fast to nock under than how John Schulz says to do it with nock over. Probably what you get used to, so if you practice nocking without looking at the nock point, you can get adept at it, no matter if you nock under or over.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on May 12, 2014, 12:12:00 PM
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Originally posted by centaur:
 
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
i prefer to nock under a string nock point because it's the middle finger (split finger) or pointer finger (3 under or 2 under) that should be carrying the lion's share of the string load at full draw.
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I find it just as fast to nock under than how John Schulz says to do it with nock over. Probably what you get used to, so if you practice nocking without looking at the nock point, you can get adept at it, no matter if you nock under or over. [/b]
x3  :D
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Post by: JDBerry on May 12, 2014, 01:07:00 PM
100% With Centaur and Rob..x4  ...James
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Post by: pavan on May 12, 2014, 01:36:00 PM
On his video, John says that arrow slides down to the nocking point.  On my B 50 strings, the nock does not slide so easy.  On thinner strings or with really open nocks, when it does slide that easy, it was a pain when hunting.  I find that I can feel the nocking points with the side of my thumb and hit it dead on with no sliding.  So most my bows have two. A bigger one under and a smaller one above.
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Post by: JDBerry on May 12, 2014, 02:47:00 PM
Years ago I would nock above, but for any reson I had to take my fingers off the arrow nock, the arrow slid up the string. Went under "fixed that".  ...James
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Post by: two4hooking on May 12, 2014, 03:33:00 PM
I nock above.  Arrow slides down to nock point.  Have not had an issue since switching from nocking below.  I find the Schulz/Hill method works fine for me.  I use fat 18 strand B-50 and mercury speed nocks and have no issues..... but then I don't hang my bow and always have it in my hand with arrow on the string ready while hunting.

I set the top of my nock 1/8th above zero.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on May 12, 2014, 03:50:00 PM
trust me, you do not want an arrow nock to hug the center serving - it must be loose.
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Post by: pavan on May 12, 2014, 04:06:00 PM
On my B50 strings for my heavy bows, the Mercury nocks would be tighter than I liked at first, but very soon would develop a trough. Then with a slight spreading of Mercury nock, it would fall off with no resistance.  With new strings on lighter bows, that does not happen with my Mercury nocks, they are loose right from the start and they stay that way.  Not saying that what John says does not work, but I get tired of chasing the nock down the string real quick when I am hunting.
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Post by: kybownut on May 12, 2014, 04:25:00 PM
Thanks for all the input guys, I have nocked arrow under nocking point for years I guess that would be one less step that I wouldn't have to relearn! Does 3/8 " to bottom of nocking point sound like a good starting point? I use 5/8 on my recurves but it seems like it would be too high on the hill.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on May 12, 2014, 04:40:00 PM
all bows are different.  

with that in mind, i set a dacron tied on nock point with its bottom "edge" 1/2" from the 90* mark.  i shoot some arrows (that will be used with that bow) at that setting for evaluation at 10, 20 and 30 yards.  then i move the np down and up in 1/16" increments, shooting the same arrows at those same distances, to see where that nock point really belongs.
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Post by: David Mitchell on May 12, 2014, 05:45:00 PM
I set most all of my nocks on my Hills and similar styles at 5/8 above dead square (I nock under).  But you have to find what works best for you.  Until I do I just use a little strip of masking tape about 3/8" wide and inch long that can be easily moved until I hit the sweet spot.
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Post by: Overspined on May 12, 2014, 07:03:00 PM
I differ from some of you with nock points on the string, for a reason I've come up with.  I nocked under for years until I saw what happens with MANY shooters.  Stand behind one who nocks under and look down the arrow when they draw.  So many people apply pressure to the top of the arrow and actually bend the arrow downward.

Believe it or not, most or all of that goes away if you nock over the nocking pt on the string.  You will find that spine becomes a bit less critical and any porpoising goes away.  

My guess is Hill and others figured this out and just did it that way.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on May 12, 2014, 07:08:00 PM
it's all good, whatever works best is best.

as a split finger shooter, i am *ALWAYS* conscious of applying the most amount of string pressure to the middle "pluck yew" finger.  in doing so, i want that finger snug to the arrow's nock and not the nock point.
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Post by: pavan on May 12, 2014, 07:31:00 PM
The old rubber slide string nocks caused nothing but trouble for me. The brass pinch ons mark up my shooting glove. My favorite was those heat ons, minimal size.  I have not seen them for years.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on May 12, 2014, 07:47:00 PM
you can replicate those heat shrink nocking points using 2 diameters of heat shrink tubing.  but tying on a nocking point is easier, cheaper and adjustable.
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Post by: kybownut on May 12, 2014, 08:18:00 PM
Thanks guys, I'm sure many more questions will follow! I've been going thru the hill thread a little at a time ,a lot of good information on here. It good when we share our opinions and ideas with others in order to help them out. Makes me glad I got bit !!!
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on May 13, 2014, 07:19:00 AM
i use two methods for a tie-on nocking point.  both used waxed bowstring fiber or waxed dental floss.  i prefer the larger diameter dacron fiber, or doubled/tripled floss.  i want it thick, so that it won't embed too deeply into the bowstring's center serving, so that when tied with not too tight a tension the knot can be turned up and down the serving, like a nut on a bolt.

you can just use overhand knots, or do a whipping, or do both, but both methods need to be finished off with a few drops of quality water thin cya, and allowed to harden.  the resulting nock poing is both light and durable, and will last the life of the bow string.

 knotted bowstring nock point (http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=000101)
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Post by: soap creek on May 16, 2014, 09:40:00 PM
Talked to Chuck at Two Tracks today. Got an Echo on order, 68in. 52@28 can't wait, but I guess I'll have to. Chucks a good guy to deal with.
Thanks "Mudd" for letting me shoot yours. Echo's are pretty nice bows for sure.
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Post by: MikeNova on May 16, 2014, 10:41:00 PM
Yeah I like chuck I ordered some string silencers from him and after a month I called him up and he promptly sent me another pair. A week after they came the original pair showed up in the mail box. Seems the post office miss placed the and I tried to pay chuck but he wouldn't take it
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Post by: kybownut on May 19, 2014, 03:10:00 PM
How well do hh broadheads work out of a 48# bow on deer size game? I know they're a lot of good 2 blades out there I was just wondering about the hills, don't seem to hear much about them!  Thanks
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Post by: pavan on May 19, 2014, 04:44:00 PM
We have shot lots of deer with standard Hills, both 140s and 160 s.  I believe that our initial blood trails are better with our custom ground single bevel Hills.  Sometimes with good hits with Hills the blood trail would start light and get heavier after 50 yards.  I would like to say that ones we spent the effort getting shaving sharp were better than file sharpened ones, but in reality they worked about the same.  If you are allowed to use barbed heads, they fly quieter and have cleaner penetration if you cut off the back guard, that will reduce the weight some as well.
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Post by: kybownut on May 19, 2014, 05:08:00 PM
Thanks pavan,I do fairly well at sharpening  stuff. I don't think we  can use barbed heads in ky. But I'll have to check the regs. I think I'm probably gonna give em a try
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Post by: pavan on May 19, 2014, 05:17:00 PM
I did not comment on penetration, because all them were stopped by dirt about the same.
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Post by: kybownut on May 20, 2014, 07:33:00 PM
Thanks pavan for your reply I will try the single bevel sharpening,tried to thank you with pm but couldn't!
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Post by: pavan on May 20, 2014, 11:57:00 PM
I should fix that email thing. Pm sent.
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Post by: ScouterMike on May 21, 2014, 10:16:00 AM
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Originally posted by soap creek:
Talked to Chuck at Two Tracks today. Got an Echo on order, 68in. 52@28 can't wait, but I guess I'll have to. Chucks a good guy to deal with.
Thanks "Mudd" for letting me shoot yours. Echo's are pretty nice bows for sure.
I hate to mention this but I also got an Echo on  order and looks like you will have to wait for Chuck to build it first, sorry. I ordered it about five days after picking up a used Echo 68in 53@28. A walnut core string follow bow was too interesting not to try. I am very impressed with this bow, it compares well in all aspects with the Northern Mists, Hill, and Miller that I have and I will be hunting with an Echo this season. This is a must try for any ASL fan, Chuck does great work.
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Post by: kawika b on May 21, 2014, 04:52:00 PM
Because I've always loved the looks of a D bow... I'm trying to scrape up the funds to buy my first Hill. Got my eyes on a Tembo. Praying Jacques is patient enough to spare me the time.
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Post by: soap creek on May 21, 2014, 05:59:00 PM
Ah, thanks a lot Mike, its guys like you who makes my wait just that much longer.lol No really I'm glad to here your supporting some one like Chuck, a self employed bowyer/trad business owner. I don't know Chuck personally, but I had a good impression of him while talking with him, plus his reputation proceeds him. I second his work is of the highest quality. You'll have to post some pics when your bow arrives.
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Post by: ScouterMike on May 21, 2014, 10:44:00 PM
Yes, Chuck deserves support for taking the time and effort to develop the Echo bow knowing full well he would be competing in a limited market with experienced bowyers of the likes of Turay, Ekin, Berry, Miller who have kept alive and progressed the ASL design. Here are a few pics of the Echo I have to ease the wait...

   (http://www.outdoorsden.com/bow/echo1.jpg)

   (http://www.outdoorsden.com/bow/echo2.jpg)

   (http://www.outdoorsden.com/bow/echo3.jpg)

   (http://www.outdoorsden.com/bow/echo4.jpg)
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Post by: pavan on May 22, 2014, 03:27:00 PM
A fellow longbow shooter noticed my tradgang cap while was out of town getting my car serviced.  He told me that he acquired an old Tembo, but did not want to shoot it because it had a cut in the string groove.  He borrowed a car from the dealer and ran home to get it.  It looked like it had a short strand in the top loop that cut into the lams.  He agreed to let me fix it.  I filed cam string grooves both top and bottom, sanded it off nice, put a drop of super glue in the string grooves and gave it three coats of Minwax.  That bow shot very much the same with my 3 ply  b50 string as it did with a fast flight, I left the new b50 on it for him.  He said it shot with less hand shock than before and had a smoother draw.  Okay, sometimes cam string grooves and sanding off the belly corners can have that effect.  What I wonder is how often does a string with a short strand cut into a bow like that?
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Post by: soap creek on May 22, 2014, 09:35:00 PM
lookin good Mike. Just makes me more anxious to receive my own Echo.
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Post by: Stump Buster on May 23, 2014, 01:57:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:
A fellow longbow shooter noticed my tradgang cap while was out of town getting my car serviced.  He told me that he acquired an old Tembo, but did not want to shoot it because it had a cut in the string groove.  He borrowed a car from the dealer and ran home to get it.  It looked like it had a short strand in the top loop that cut into the lams.  He agreed to let me fix it.  I filed cam string grooves both top and bottom, sanded it off nice, put a drop of super glue in the string grooves and gave it three coats of Minwax.  That bow shot very much the same with my 3 ply  b50 string as it did with a fast flight, I left the new b50 on it for him.  He said it shot with less hand shock than before and had a smoother draw.  Okay, sometimes cam string grooves and sanding off the belly corners can have that effect.  What I wonder is how often does a string with a short strand cut into a bow like that?
Pavan,

I don't have an answer to your question, but I just wanted to say that was very generous of you and another example of why I believe most archers are among the "giving'est" folks around.

Kudo's Buddy!!!

Stump
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 23, 2014, 09:09:00 PM
A lot of ASL enthusiast like to talk about the old designs, like narrow tips, narrow limbs , deep cores .  The wedge grips, that are narrow and deep.  

Well James at JD Berry archery has listened for sure. His standard bows are an 1" wide at the fades , narrow little tips and just an amazing flat sided deep wedge grip.  And as it's no secret I am a huge fan of his work.  

James sent me some pics of his new riser he is offering to match the old looks and risers of days past. The new riser has very steep sweeps and a riser length of 11-13".  It looks great.  

I thought I'd share with my fellow ASL enthusiasts

The bow with the brown grip is His vixen and it has the new riser shape
  (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/new%20riser/D2A24DE7-223A-4733-A34B-1484444023B7_zpsdkd61yvl.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/new%20riser/D2A24DE7-223A-4733-A34B-1484444023B7_zpsdkd61yvl.jpg.html)

  (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/new%20riser/2CCAE468-E4E7-470A-A481-F1CBE6E45144_zpsebsafo6y.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/new%20riser/2CCAE468-E4E7-470A-A481-F1CBE6E45144_zpsebsafo6y.jpg.html)
  (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/new%20riser/F7141224-F264-4353-8754-ED683D297A22_zpsebfjxldp.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/new%20riser/F7141224-F264-4353-8754-ED683D297A22_zpsebfjxldp.jpg.html)
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Post by: David Mitchell on May 23, 2014, 09:21:00 PM
Interesting shims or very thin wedges in between the laminations in the riser area. At least I am assuming that's what they are.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 23, 2014, 09:33:00 PM
That's his encasements that James does on his bows. Full riser wraps.
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Post by: Mudd on May 23, 2014, 10:08:00 PM
I love the "old" look.

Thanks for sharing Brian.

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: pavan on May 23, 2014, 10:46:00 PM
Looks nice, but where would you mount the sights on that?
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 23, 2014, 11:40:00 PM
James put in  inserts for that. He will also add a lazer if you like lol
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Post by: pavan on May 24, 2014, 01:59:00 AM
I am pretty sure there are some kind of sights on that nock splitting feather ripper that I got from James.  That turkey thought he was out of longbow range, but he did not know about the built in bow sight.
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Post by: Dan bree on May 24, 2014, 01:12:00 PM
My North Star just came in this morning   Wow.!   What a shooter  and I was very surprised at the workmanship it's my first berry  looks like my other bows are going to get dusty.  Hey pat. Your hills mite get dusty after you get you Morningstar.    Lol.      Dan.
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Post by: katman on May 24, 2014, 03:44:00 PM
Congrats on the new bow Dan, how about some pics?
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Post by: Green on May 24, 2014, 09:19:00 PM
Congrats on the new bow Dan.....hopefully you can put some pics up for us to see.

Brian - thanks for posting those pics of the steep/short riser.  I couldn't see them that well on my phone.....lots of new ideas for next time.
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Post by: Centex on May 25, 2014, 08:49:00 AM
Way to go James. Thanks for listening to the customers!  Looks awesome.
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Post by: sexymanluack on May 25, 2014, 12:41:00 PM
Awesome ! love the arrows as well !
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 25, 2014, 01:04:00 PM
Those arrows were from Snag here on TG.
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Post by: kawika b on May 25, 2014, 02:04:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Brianlocal3:
That's his encasements that James does on his bows. Full riser wraps.
I like the looks... the encasement functions as?
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 25, 2014, 02:51:00 PM
They function as eye candy is all I'm aware of. James may have the formal answer for you.
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Post by: pavan on May 25, 2014, 03:14:00 PM
My guess is that lam wedges beef up and tilt the leverage in the direction of the strain that the center lams have at draw.  That tension is bred out to the very fine feathered riser wraps, as you call them, which gives diminishing support to the mid limb, which may decrease overall hysteresis. They feather so fine on my Morningstar that I can almost see James using a spatula to handle them.
 I expected my Mornongstar to be a bit slower because of the reverse riser.  It most definitely is more forgiving and accurate, but it shoots a hard arrow.  I draw mine to about 54 pounds at 26.25", my wood arrows, 48 to 50 pound spine, cut to 27" bop, had to be shortened and I had to drop my head weight.  For my aluminums, 1918s, I expected to need to go to 200 grain screw in up front at 27" bop.  I found that was also too much and had to reduce that by 40 grains.  It shoots the same arrows the same distance as my 52@26" 62" Robertson, which shoots the same arrows te same distance as my 60@28" drawn to 26" Super Kodiak with a fast flight. In other words fast enough and smooth enough.
  For left hand shooting on the ground the only bow for me is the Mornigstar, right hand on the ground my super from the blank Halfbreed, if I ever get caught in a tree stand I can go to my 62" Robertsons twins.  If I know that I will be in a particular situation where going back to right hand shooting will be a better choice I will do so, otherwise the only bow going out 95% of the time will be the Morngstar.  Thanks to James I am done buying bows.
  For those who want to make like Howard Hill with a short riser longbow like the beautifull examples above, now is the time.  The list that James has is not getting shorter.
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Post by: katman on May 25, 2014, 03:20:00 PM
Kawika in James' words "it makes the bow really pop", translates to real good looking and pleasing to the eye.
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Post by: JDBerry on May 25, 2014, 03:41:00 PM
pavan,100% right on the encasement.  David, they are what I call lam. fadeouts, to help with the butt joints.  pavan "thanks to James, I am done buying bows"..   pavan, I think I screwed up.   ..jasme
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Post by: cahaba on May 25, 2014, 04:29:00 PM
Thanks to James I received a Vixen and had to order another one. HaHa...My other bows now hang on the wall.
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Post by: lone hunter on May 25, 2014, 04:30:00 PM
I didn't get the fadeouts on my morningstar or vixen but will ask for them on my antelope bow (taipan or argos) coming up this summer. I think it really sets off an already classy bow.
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Post by: Green on May 25, 2014, 05:05:00 PM
It's almost impossible to have James call you to talk about shipping without immediately throwing your name back on the list.  Can't 'splain it, just the way it goes.     :dunno:
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 25, 2014, 05:33:00 PM
I refinished my JD Berry Vixen again. I liked my last job but I rushed the last step and had some imperfection so I sanded it down and redid it.

I'm pretty happy this go around.

Last coat went on , now to let it cure for a couple days and I'll polish it out from there.

 http://youtu.be/NZAxJUL3CHQ
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Post by: Stump Buster on May 25, 2014, 08:44:00 PM
Brian... That looks fantastic! Please post up some pics when she's all dry and polished up.

I'm going to ask JD if he can do a really nice high polish on my Morning Star (Yep... Changed from the Vixen to the Misty Dawn to the Morning Star). Too much influence you guys have around here to try out the forward handle bows!

Stump
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Post by: Green on May 25, 2014, 08:50:00 PM
Stump Buster.....James has what he is calling a 70% gloss epoxy finish that's absolutely beautiful, and hard as nails.  Ask him about it when next chance you get.

Beautiful work Brian!
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Post by: JDBerry on May 25, 2014, 09:24:00 PM
Stump Buster, its gone to take a while to figure out what you have on order.   ....samej
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Post by: Stump Buster on May 25, 2014, 09:36:00 PM
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Originally posted by JDBerry:
Stump Buster, its gone to take a while to figure out what you have on order.   ....samej
:D    :D    :D
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 25, 2014, 09:56:00 PM
Thanks stump.

And you cannot go wrong with any of James's bows, the Morningstar will serve you very well
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Post by: katman on May 26, 2014, 06:39:00 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Green:
It's almost impossible to have James call you to talk about shipping without immediately throwing your name back on the list.  Can't 'splain it, just the way it goes.      :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Jim Picarelli on May 26, 2014, 03:00:00 PM
Seeing the reverse handle bows really got me intrigued about them but I couldn't get over the "strung backwards" look. Well I did it...one came up in the right spec's so it's shipping tomorrow. Berry Morningstar, 66" 53#@28"....looking forward to shooting it!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on May 26, 2014, 03:52:00 PM
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Originally posted by Jim Picarelli:
Seeing the reverse handle bows really got me intrigued about them but I couldn't get over the "strung backwards" look. Well I did it...one came up in the right spec's so it's shipping tomorrow. Berry Morningstar, 66" 53#@28"....looking forward to shooting it!
Happy, Happy!
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Post by: katman on May 26, 2014, 06:04:00 PM
Someone's going to be looking out for the postman in a couple days, congrats. Pics please.
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Post by: buffalo53 on May 27, 2014, 04:22:00 PM
Hi The bow on the left now lives at my house, and yes James is very good at listening to a customer. I asked  for steep sweeps and a deep riser a bit over 21/8. I liked the old pictures of Howard Hill's personal bows and I feel James nailed it. You should see the figure on the bocotte limbs.  Thanks George Hill
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Post by: buffalo53 on May 27, 2014, 05:12:00 PM
Hi  I meant to say the bow on the right. Thanks George Hill
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Jim Picarelli on May 29, 2014, 03:42:00 PM
The postman came today and dropped off my new to me Morningstar. I'm at a loss for words to describe this bow...definitely a convert to the reverse-handle bows now and James' bows. I'm thinking Vixen next!
     (http://i59.tinypic.com/sce6fo.jpg)

     (http://i60.tinypic.com/rbdz14.jpg)    
 
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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 29, 2014, 04:50:00 PM
Jim , outstanding looking Morningstar there!!!!!!

That just screams shooter.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 29, 2014, 04:54:00 PM
Hi  I received my bow yesterday from JD Berry . It came as no surprise when I opened the box, that the contents met and surpassed my hopes. I had talked to James about a riser like those in older Howard Hill personal bow photos. Very deep and slim with step sweeps, in my opinion he nailed it. My bow will be named Joe, after my wife Donna( don’t ask). Joe is 68in long and 52lb @ 28in . My riser is a bit over 21/8 deep and 1in wide. The core is bamboo and the parallels are bocote with great figure . James told me he cut thru a lot of material to come up with these examples, he knew how much I like great wood . ( I stopped counting how many beer I owe him) The riser is wenge, with satin wood encasements. Many of you have been on waiting lists and Im sure you were  patient and waited for the bowyer to contact you. Me, not so much. Im sorry to say I bugged James  a lot, with every kind of detail, all of which I found out he did regularly.  Every time I called ,he was patient and gave me a lesson in which ever aspect of bow building we were talking about. I certainly could go on, but Im going to see if I can get my son to help load some pics, and the send them off to Brian. In closing’ I am a fan of J D Berry bows and also of James Berry the man, I wish him all the best.  Thank you for your time  George Hill

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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 29, 2014, 04:56:00 PM
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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on May 29, 2014, 05:00:00 PM
Jim and George......Congrats on two extremely fine looking bows!  

I'm all over that narrowly swept Vixen for my next masterpiece.  Nicely done as always James!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Stump Buster on May 29, 2014, 05:20:00 PM
OH MAN... New Berry Bow Pics/Owners in one day!!!

Both Bows are Beauties!!! CONGRAT's GUYS!

I spoke to JD Today and talked to him about my model changes. He told me most guys chance their orders at least 3-6 times before the bow is ever started. SO I'm "normal" apparently. I also told him I've been trying to find every pic posted online of his bows to help with the decision making process. We agreed the Morning Star would be good first bow from his shop. Not sure how far out I am because he left his order book in the house... I told him he was just probably spending too much time in the spray booth. We may need an intervention.   :D

These pictures both help and make the wait harder!

More Good news as I heard from Rich Wormington and my Yellowstone Renegade should be leaving his shop today!

Thanks for posting Pics Jim and Brian!!!

Jim and George... please let us know how they shoot, as those were the first and last models on my Berry order.

Stump
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Post by: Moreammo on May 29, 2014, 05:35:00 PM
Good looking bows!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on May 29, 2014, 05:35:00 PM
Hope your Morningstar is due to be built soon Stump!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Overspined on May 29, 2014, 09:45:00 PM
Here's a pic of the yote that made it to its grave after I stuck it with a snuffer tipped woodie, and the wookie that shot it with a reverse hande T/D. First coyote with longbow, 20 yds.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 29, 2014, 09:51:00 PM
Great job bud!!!! Glad to see you out putting the hurt on em!!!!!
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Post by: Overspined on May 29, 2014, 09:52:00 PM
And an armadillo I shot when the hogs didn't cooperate hunting in FL with Tarponnut, same bow. Shot in head 2X with blunt, tough to kill without broadhead!

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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 29, 2014, 10:00:00 PM
Now your just bragging LOL!!!!

I'm getting envious .....
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Post by: Overspined on May 29, 2014, 10:07:00 PM
Turkey's haven't been cooperating, actually I just haven't chosen the right spot yet! Season ends Saturday. There's always fall...

I received permission to thin the deer herd this year after the farmer's hunting son counted 50 deer in the hay field at once a couple weeks ago. Way too many. I've killed them there with the Hill bow in previous years, but protecting their antlers via QDM has kept me out, even from killing does. Antler hunting is terminating permission all the time...ugh.  They are a challenge to kill because they are highly pressured, look in trees, and tend to trot out 100 yds in the field before relaxing.  

So I will wear a ghillie and hide in the hay and along the sprinklers out in open fields with a quiver full of arrows! Should be fun.

Quiver I made for a friend's son, 8 yrs old. Said he wears it all the time, which is exciting to hear!  He's having a ball shooting trad.
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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: cahaba on May 30, 2014, 03:58:00 AM
Two beautiful bows George and Jim.
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Post by: JDBerry on May 30, 2014, 09:11:00 AM
WOW, Love your arrows Overspined.  ..James
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Post by: cahaba on May 30, 2014, 10:18:00 AM
Speaking of arrows.... I just made up these Surewood shafts. The barred ones are for this next hunting season. The feathers came from a turkey I killed. The yellow ones are for target and stumping.

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These are the third set I have ever made. I don't have a crester yet. If you look at the barred ones you will see one has more cresting than the others. I found it to hard and time consuming to do a fancy crest free handed.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 30, 2014, 10:40:00 AM
Great arrows bud!!!
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Post by: Green on May 30, 2014, 01:40:00 PM
For not having a cresting rig, I'd say you did exceedingly well!  Hope you have great success with those in the Fall.
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Post by: cahaba on May 30, 2014, 02:39:00 PM
Thanks Rob and Brian.  
I really need to make a cresting jig. Does anyone know a site to order a motor from?
 
I used to always purchased my wood arrows or shot aluminum and then carbon. Then I got to reading some of the great tutorials on here and decided to try making some.

I really enjoy making them and if I had a few more tools it would probably become an addiction!
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Post by: cahaba on May 30, 2014, 02:40:00 PM
OOPs
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Post by: JDBerry on May 30, 2014, 04:11:00 PM
Pluto had a party the other day, nailed a 1/2 dz. 55-60s, good thing he is bigger then me.  ..James
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 30, 2014, 04:12:00 PM
I picked mine up from the local vaccum and sewing machine store
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 30, 2014, 04:39:00 PM
He will be pooping toothpicks for a week
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Post by: Green on May 30, 2014, 08:01:00 PM
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Originally posted by JDBerry:
Pluto had a party the other day, nailed a 1/2 dz. 55-60s, good thing he is bigger then me.  ..James
He's telling you no more running off and winning IBO shoots while leaving him home!  Don't disrespect any dog that outweighs you!     :D
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 30, 2014, 08:09:00 PM
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Originally posted by Green:
 
Quote
Originally posted by JDBerry:
Pluto had a party the other day, nailed a 1/2 dz. 55-60s, good thing he is bigger then me.  ..James
He's telling you no more running off and winning IBO shoots while leaving him home!  Don't disrespect any dog that outweighs you!      :D  [/b]
That and then he leaves him another weekend to go win the Washington State Championships in traditional longbow division, so twice this year he's left the poor defenseless 200 lbs dog while he goes out and brings home trophies  :)  
Pluto is just telling him he can't eat trophies.  Lol
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Jim Picarelli on May 30, 2014, 08:45:00 PM
Does HHA do weight reductions on their bows or is that a job better suited to the Bow Hospital and other places like that? Reason being, I have a 68" Wesley that's 65@27(I'm drawing 60# on it)....great shooting bow but I can only handle it for maybe 20-25 shots before getting fatigued. I'm thinking maybe 6-8 lbs off of her and she'd be perfect...Thanks for any info
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Post by: Paul_R on May 30, 2014, 08:48:00 PM
Yes HHA does weight reductions and HHA would be my first choice for work on any HHA bow.
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Post by: Jim Picarelli on May 30, 2014, 08:56:00 PM
Thanks Paul...makes sense to me too
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Post by: Overspined on May 31, 2014, 06:32:00 AM
Used to be about $150 for HHA to reduce & refinish a bow..

Thanks James, I love making arrows but now I have to shoot them because my woodie pile is getting too big to justify making more.
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Post by: mike g on May 31, 2014, 09:58:00 AM
Craig at HHA did mine for me, I think about 5 lbs. is the limit....
   With shipping both ways, I had my bow back in 2 weeks....
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Post by: David Mitchell on May 31, 2014, 10:59:00 AM
Craig did my Redman reduction for me--came back just like new. But like Mike, I think about 5# is usually about all they can do.  But it depends on how much the glass was taken down to hit target weight to begin with.
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Post by: Jim Picarelli on May 31, 2014, 11:10:00 AM
I could live with 5#. I'll have to give Craig a call and set something up. Thanks
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Post by: 58WINTERS on May 31, 2014, 11:32:00 AM
I had 5 taken off a Wes Spec 8 might be pushing it. Best talk to Craig or Jason they know their bows best.
58
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Post by: Paul_R on May 31, 2014, 11:43:00 AM
The amount that can be taken off is typically 10% no matter who's doing the work.
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Post by: pavan on May 31, 2014, 09:39:00 PM
It all depends on the bow.  If it is one that has a boxy tiller and sharper corners, a bit more than ten percent is possible.  One can loose five pound by just rounding the corners, if one then sands the glass thinner a few more pounds are possible, if one then reduces the limb dimensions and increases the trap a few more pounds are lost.  If it is one that came in heavy to begin with, some of these steps may already have been taken to get down to the order weight and not so much can be reduced.  However, these bows tend to be lean and mean and really are fine shooting bows.
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Post by: mike g on June 01, 2014, 10:29:00 AM
In a couple of months.
I'll be looking for another Hill style bow.
  As far as the lambs go, which woods would be best....
  Which wood is best for compression, which I guess would be the belly. Osage. and which one for the back....Yew ?....Bamboo core..?
  I'm thinking on the lines of a Tembo, Less lambs, less glue lines etc....
   And I'm not discounting JD Berry's bow's.

I'm also thinking....
    Forward handle.
    String follow.
    Back set.

I can't afford a lot of bows, so I would like the best of everything in one bow....If that's possible....
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Post by: Charlie Lamb on June 01, 2014, 11:00:00 AM
Mike... if it was me, I'd chose a bamboo core and forget about the veneers, solid color glass (black or brown), reverse handle if that's what you think you'll like and a little backset or regular handle in string follow.

Howard Hill Archery is fast on delivery and dependable bows of high quality.

It would be hard to beat a J.D. Berry bow in any configuration. I'd call and pick his brain regardless.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on June 01, 2014, 11:09:00 AM
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Originally posted by Charlie Lamb:
... if it was me, I'd chose a bamboo core and forget about the veneers, solid color glass (black or brown) ... and a little backset w/regular handle in string follow. ...
perfect.  i'll take it, but with a slight loccator grip.   :D
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Post by: Bluegoose on June 03, 2014, 12:28:00 PM
New HHA Half Breed arrived yesterday. Asked Craig to name the bow "Maverick", after our golden retriever. It is 68" 50@30, Texas ebony riser and tip overlays. Really smooth drawing and accurate. Glad I stayed with the 68" on Craig's advice.
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Post by: centaur on June 03, 2014, 12:56:00 PM
My experience with HHA bows are that they are all quiet, but I recently picked up a Redman that is absolutely silent. I don't know if I just got lucky or that is typical of the Redman, but it is noticeably quieter than either my Wesley or my Cheetah. Anyone have similar experiences?
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Post by: pavan on June 03, 2014, 01:46:00 PM
Pat, what are it's other shooting qualities.  I have a from a blank Hill yew, that I tweaked after I declared it finished.  Now I won't part with it even though it is a right hander.  The better I got it, the cleaner, faster, and quieter it shot.  Now I wish it was a lefty, but I still shoot a few arrows righty.  Good thing it knows where I want the arrows to go, so I don't need to waste my limited shooting with needing to work on stuff.
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Post by: centaur on June 03, 2014, 01:52:00 PM
I know that Craig told me that the Redman was his personal favorite, but I didn't get into it beyond that (probably should have).
I know that the one I have shoots where it is pointed, with zero handshock, and tosses arrows with authority. That's about as technically astute as I care to get.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on June 03, 2014, 02:20:00 PM
It seems with Hill style bows that one good quality compliments another, most of the time.  On the other side, I have seen a few longbows that were quiet, but shot sluggish and rough.  Usually, the rough shooters are noisier.  With my limited tillering experience, it does seem that when I get the limbs balanced just right, everything comes together and I get few extra fps per pound as well.  The visual and measurable differences are very subtle, but the results are obvious.
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Post by: cahaba on June 03, 2014, 04:32:00 PM
I agree pavan. Limb timing IMO when correct brings out the best in a bow.
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Post by: WarDancer on June 03, 2014, 10:27:00 PM
I have never heard anyone say anything negative about a Hill Redman. I have owned many Hills and three Redman bows and they were the best. I think Pat may own the best of the best.
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Post by: centaur on June 03, 2014, 10:39:00 PM
Bill, thanks for that trade. I hope you are liking the Pronghorn as much as I like the Redman.
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Post by: WarDancer on June 03, 2014, 11:15:00 PM
The Pronghorn is an awesome bow I could not be happier. I removed the snake skins and spent several hours removing the glue with super fine steel wool it looks like a new bow it is beautiful.
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Post by: WarDancer on June 03, 2014, 11:16:00 PM
It now has some squirrel blood on it.
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Post by: ron w on June 04, 2014, 09:11:00 PM
Spent some time shooting my 2 Hills today, I'm really impressed with my 70" Owl. Man it shoots nice!
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Post by: Jim Picarelli on June 05, 2014, 08:15:00 AM
Ol' Ben is still alive and kicking. I thought I'd string up my Ben Pearson Ol' Ben 5000 longbow...been awhile since I shot the old fella. He's an old Hill-style longbow, 70" 59#@28" and he shoots just as good as ever....and still looks good too
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Post by: Jacquesbonin on June 05, 2014, 10:07:00 AM
Jim  nice shot group! I kinda favor shooting older bows! Jacques
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Post by: jhk1 on June 05, 2014, 01:26:00 PM
I've got one of those Ol' Ben 5000's as well.  It was 70" 60#@28", but I narrowed and slightly trapped the limbs to bring the weight down to about 52#@28".  I also added fiberglass/hardwood limb tips so I could use a FF string (14-strand 8125 flemish twist, with loops padded with B50 to 18 or 20 strands).  With a B50 string, the bow has a lot of handshock.  The 8125 string makes it a lot more pleasurable to shoot.
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Post by: two4hooking on June 06, 2014, 12:31:00 PM
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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: CHENRYIV on June 09, 2014, 10:14:00 PM
Just added another to the HH stable. It's a NM Shelton. 66" 57#@25". American Elm w/bacote in the riser.  Throws a 60-65# Surewood with authority.  

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  (http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x363/chenryiv/Bows/A770F5A6-A00E-457B-B8E0-AFCE6F87D7B4_zpsmgigxzux.jpg) (http://s1178.photobucket.com/user/chenryiv/media/Bows/A770F5A6-A00E-457B-B8E0-AFCE6F87D7B4_zpsmgigxzux.jpg.html)
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Post by: Shinken on June 10, 2014, 12:04:00 AM
That is a *marvelous* Shelton you got there Crispin!

   :clapper:    :clapper:    :clapper:

Beautiful piece of bacote!  

Steve makes great longbows!

Enjoy!

Shoot straight, Shinken

   :archer2:
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Post by: cahaba on June 10, 2014, 03:22:00 AM
Beautiful Shelton Crispin. I have one too and it is a great shooter.

Great arrows two4hooking. I think I will fully paint my next batch.
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Post by: NBK on June 10, 2014, 04:50:00 AM
Sweet shelton!
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Post by: Sam McMichael on June 10, 2014, 09:06:00 AM
Picked up a Northern Mist Shelton in the green glass at Tannehill last weekend. I am enjoying it a lot.
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Post by: ScouterMike on June 10, 2014, 10:22:00 AM
The Sheltons are as good as it gets. Mine is the basis of comparison for any other bow I shoot. Some others come close but nothing better for me in a hunting bow.
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Post by: ScouterMike on June 10, 2014, 10:32:00 AM
Yes, beautiful bow Crispin. How do you like the elm limbs with the Shelton performance wise? I have tried other NM bows with elm and really liked them but only bamboo with the Shelton.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on June 10, 2014, 11:09:00 AM
Gorgeous bow there crispin
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Post by: katman on June 10, 2014, 06:16:00 PM
Saweeet crispin, enjoy
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Post by: Green on June 10, 2014, 06:49:00 PM
Sam - you take any pics yet?

Mr. Henry - that's beautiful.  Hope you have as much success with it as you do with your other bows!
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Post by: Sam McMichael on June 11, 2014, 08:17:00 AM
Green, no pics. I need to wait until I have had a way to let the wife know I have a new bow in the house.
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Post by: CHENRYIV on June 11, 2014, 09:03:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by ScouterMike:
Yes, beautiful bow Crispin. How do you like the elm limbs with the Shelton performance wise? I have tried other NM bows with elm and really liked them but only bamboo with the Shelton.
ScouterMike,
This is my second NM and first Shelton, but what I can say is that it appears to shoot as solid as my recurves and with absolutely on hand shock. I wish I could convince Steve to make a 64" Shelton to treestand hunt with.  For now, I'll just have to treestand practice with my 66" before the season starts.     :archer2:
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Post by: ArrowPlane on June 11, 2014, 08:14:00 PM
I got a new Big Five!

Craig did such a stellar job on it...

  (http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q717/dthielen82/HHA%20Hemingway/20140609_183823_zpsdca36ec6.jpg) (http://s1355.photobucket.com/user/dthielen82/media/HHA%20Hemingway/20140609_183823_zpsdca36ec6.jpg.html)

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  (http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q717/dthielen82/HHA%20Hemingway/20140609_183910_zps9334bc43.jpg) (http://s1355.photobucket.com/user/dthielen82/media/HHA%20Hemingway/20140609_183910_zps9334bc43.jpg.html)
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Post by: Green on June 11, 2014, 08:30:00 PM
Well appointed Big Five Dusty!  How do you like the Buff hide as grip material?  Certainly has character all its' own.
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Post by: Hermon on June 11, 2014, 09:01:00 PM
I think that is the best looking Howard Hill bow I've seen.  Curious about the grip too.
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Post by: katman on June 11, 2014, 09:02:00 PM
Sweet, cool grip too.
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Post by: Caboo on June 11, 2014, 09:22:00 PM
Really like the looks of that bow. Am I correct to say the limbs are Honey Locust and Bamboo? How does it shoot?
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Post by: TexasKing on June 11, 2014, 09:42:00 PM
very nice Dustin, can't wait to see that one in person....(speaking of, are you going to Oklahoma next month?)

is it a straight grip, hard to tell from the pic, but very sweet..

Are you a Hemingway junkie also?
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Post by: TexasKing on June 11, 2014, 09:49:00 PM
I have one for the Hill bow sages out there...
I just picked up an early 90's Jerry Hill bamboo express...

but when I was unboxing it the first thing I see is a whopping 2 1/4" backset.
 At 75# you can only imagine the velocity, but it is surprisingly smooth, accurate, and easy to shoot.

Have y'all ever seen such extreme backset? Was that common place back in those days? Do you think its a mistake?
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Post by: Paul_R on June 11, 2014, 09:53:00 PM
My Kramer made Hill has a lot of backset like that and it's surprisingly smooth as well.
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Post by: pavan on June 11, 2014, 10:37:00 PM
My 80# Jerry Hill bamboo special had that as well.  I needed to use a bow loader for it.  It was smooth,accurate, gentle in hand and fast.
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Post by: pavan on June 11, 2014, 10:42:00 PM
That is the nicest looking Hill that I have ever seen.  I am curious about the bow tips.
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Post by: Shinken on June 11, 2014, 10:54:00 PM
Very, very nice BIG 5 AP!

Craig did some most-excellent work right there!

Enjoy!

Shoot straight, Shinken

   :archer2:
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Post by: ArrowPlane on June 12, 2014, 12:56:00 AM
The buff has great grip characteristics, but it's very tough stuff though with zero give. I actually got a little sore shooting it yesterday.

It's a dished grip, but you can't tell in those pics because the grip leather was too thick, had to thin it down some. One of the only complaints I have is that the dish is almost V-shaped, not especially consistent in the curvature.

It's a Big Five, of course, to fit with the African theme, so the outer lams are amberboo.

And the riser/tip overlays are kudu horn, which I had to get shipped in from South Africa (along with the grip leather). Took longer to get the materials than it took Craig to make the bow!
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on June 12, 2014, 06:46:00 AM
I had a Jerry hill wildcat that was running 2"+ on backset. And it was a good shooter, there was shock  but it was bearable.
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Post by: Paul_R on June 12, 2014, 09:34:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by ArrowPlane:
Took longer to get the materials than it took Craig to make the bow!
Gotta love that!    :thumbsup:
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Post by: Chops on June 12, 2014, 02:51:00 PM
Wow, I just read through this entire thread (when I should have been working). Thanks for maintaining it. Such beautiful bows! I hope to get an HH one day.
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Post by: centaur on June 12, 2014, 09:51:00 PM
Just got off the phone with JD Berry. My number has come up for my Morningstar, and I am stoked! Can't wait to post some pics when I get it, it sounds like another JD Berry winner! I feel like a 10 year old on Christmas Eve!
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Post by: ron w on June 12, 2014, 09:55:00 PM
A new Morningstar, cool. How long was the wait??
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Post by: Overspined on June 12, 2014, 10:37:00 PM
Kramer built Hills had a lot of backset.  Not an error!
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Post by: Dan bree on June 12, 2014, 11:52:00 PM
Hey pat  I know how you feel got my northstar last month .your going to love that Morningstar !  The hill mite get dusty
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Post by: Green on June 13, 2014, 06:40:00 AM
Congrats Pat!  You know what to do when she arrives.     :D
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Post by: katman on June 13, 2014, 07:31:00 AM
Centaur, congrats on the new build, James is always a hoot to talk with, I usually plan on at least a half hour for a quick call, really enjoy it.

What specs/woods do you guys come up with?
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Post by: centaur on June 13, 2014, 07:42:00 AM
It's gonna be 55#, 66 inches, boo cores with brown glass and white glass, macassar ebony in the riser. Yes, the Hills might get a rest when this one shows up.
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Post by: Charlie Lamb on June 13, 2014, 02:51:00 PM
In a recent discussion of bow length with my friend Nate Steen of Idaho I decided to experiment a little.
Nate had related how in a discussion he'd had with John Shulz, John admitted that he used shorter bows than what people normally thought of when choosing his style of bows. John was using 64" longbows of his own make.

Nate had tried bows of that length and was impressed by both their smoothness of draw and their speed.

I went an inch shorter. This bow is 63" ntn and 55#@28" draw. So far it seems to be a sweet-heart.

   (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/fatty1.JPG)  
   (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/fatty2.JPG)
    (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/fatty3.JPG)
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Post by: Hermon on June 13, 2014, 02:59:00 PM
Very Nice Charlie.
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Post by: Paul_R on June 13, 2014, 03:06:00 PM
That's a beauty Charlie what's it made of?
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on June 13, 2014, 03:10:00 PM
another sunbear beauty, charlie!     :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:    

how's the limbset - straight, reflexed, back set?  nice 'n' smooth to 28", i'd expect.

i've tried 66" with a 29" draw in a number of hh style longbows, some worked well, others were dogs and stacked.  there's got to be something in the design to be able to go down 2" from the "standard" for a given draw length.
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Post by: Mudd on June 13, 2014, 03:32:00 PM
A very impressive looking beauty you've birthed Charlie.

I look forward to seeing how it fairs for you in the field.

Good hunting and "Hunt Sharp" !!

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: ScouterMike on June 13, 2014, 04:05:00 PM
Beautiful bow Charlie.

Yes, what limb profile? I have 66in bows from HH and N Mist with deflexed/string follow limb profiles that are fine to my 29in draw but have found very few straight or reflexed 66in ASLs that wanted to go that far smoothly. Miller built my string follow Old Tom at 67in and it is perfect.

Surprisingly I remember helping set up a 64 Redman that I would be happy shooting, although it was a low draw weight, so the design and or limb core must have something to do with it.
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Post by: pavan on June 13, 2014, 04:33:00 PM
For my 26" John suggested 64" for his Favorite model, but 66" for a heavier reflex.  For the all bamboo, he thought 62" or 64" for me at 55#.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on June 13, 2014, 05:17:00 PM
Nice build Charlie!!!

And looking forward to seeing your bow centaur
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Post by: Caboo on June 13, 2014, 05:34:00 PM
Charlie, did Nate mention what John's draw length was during your discussion about him using shorter bows?
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Post by: MikeNova on June 13, 2014, 05:43:00 PM
I spoke with David miller once and he told me he had a personal letter that Howard wrote someone and Howard told this person that he perfered 69"bows. Since I do the vast majority of my hunting from a tree I like a shorter length if possible.
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Post by: Green on June 13, 2014, 06:15:00 PM
Another beaut Charlie!
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Post by: MikeNova on June 13, 2014, 07:31:00 PM
Charlie that is a sharp looking bow is that maple or myrtle in the riser?
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Post by: JDBerry on June 13, 2014, 07:33:00 PM
Now that's class, Charlie. Is that pic. in the back ground of you and your Mom?   ...James
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Post by: Charlie Lamb on June 13, 2014, 10:13:00 PM
Paul_R... The core is lamboo(carmelized) the riser is 15" fade to fade and it's fiddleback myrtle... wish I could find that stuff in something a little darker, but this one turned out ok.

I pre-stressed the core on a heavy backset form and then add the glass and riser on an almost dead straight form. It's very smooth out to 28".
I sure didn't know what to expect but am very pleased with her manners.

Mudd... I'll be heading west next week for some ground squirrel and rock chuck action. I'll let you know how it goes.
Heck, I'm going to be spending the night of the 18th in Columbia. Maybe we can hook up for a while.

Scouter Mike... hope I answered your questions in the previous answers.

Caboo... Nate did mention John's draw length and I believe it was 26". Certainly not more than that.

Mike Nova... Fiddleback Myrtle.

James... thanks for the compliment. Means a lot coming from you.
Yes, that's a picture of me an my mom. We lost her this past Christmas. She was a special lady.
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Post by: killinstuff on June 14, 2014, 08:57:00 AM
Nice buff leather arrowplane on that Hill. Great texture. Jack Harrison did an HHC with wrapped crocodile and matching strike plate that is just stunning. I believe Gil has that bow now. I've been keeping my eye on the auction site for just the right croc skin belt to cut up and wrap one on my HHC's with.
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Post by: cmh on June 14, 2014, 11:07:00 AM
127 pages of post...... Could someone help me along and explain what is so special about a Howard Hill style longbow? I don't mean that smart aleck either...... Must be something pretty special about them for so many to shoot them. Only longbow I ever had was a Mohawk and found I shot them better than recurves...... Thanks in advance  ;)
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Post by: centaur on June 14, 2014, 11:16:00 AM
You will probably get lots of opinions/definitions, but to me, they are beautiful in their simple lines, light in the hand, stable and forgiving, hard hitting, and classic. To me, they define 'traditional', and bring me back to a simpler time in my life and in our country. With the exception of selfbows or possibly the English style longbows, you can't get much simpler than a Hill style, yet they still are challenging in trying to master. As have been stated before, 'simple isn't necessarily easy', and Hill styles provide an ongoing challenge to master while at the same time being a lethal and effective weapon. My 2 cents'.
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Post by: Green on June 14, 2014, 11:24:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by cmh:
127 pages of post...... Could someone help me along and explain what is so special about a Howard Hill style longbow? I don't mean that smart aleck either...... Must be something pretty special about them for so many to shoot them. Only longbow I ever had was a Mohawk and found I shot them better than recurves...... Thanks in advance   ;)  
Go up to the top of the Pow Wow and find the first section....1000 pages of posts.  There's a whole lot buried in there.  But to be honest with you, grab a HH or HH style bow and shoot nothing but that for two days, then come back and give us your impressions.     :D
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Post by: pavan on June 14, 2014, 01:41:00 PM
Nothing wrong with Mohawks, there must be something in your shooting that is complemented by the Mohawk but fights you with a recurve.  People can do minor things to adapt to different bows.  When those adaptations are done with a Hill style bow, good things can happen.  Besides that there is magic fluid feel when a longbow is grooved in, it is not so much the bow as it is more that the bow allows the shooter to develop a fluid confident shooting style.
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Post by: Paul_R on June 14, 2014, 02:22:00 PM
In my younger days I shot recurves. Self taught and as I later learned, making pretty much every mistake in the book. And yet I shot pretty well (or so I thought). After a decades long break from archery I picked up a longbow, a bear Montana somebody was practically giving away on Craigslist. I'd long since forgotten my bad habits and with the help of some great YouTube videos and forums like this one I learned a whole lot and in the process, I've collected about a dozen Hill bows and with few exceptions, I can't shoot a recurve to save my life now! Hill bows just seem to fit me and I enjoy reading everything I can about them. I'm a hillhead and apparently I'm not alone!     :knothead:
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Post by: Homebru on June 14, 2014, 09:26:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by cmh:
127 pages of post...... Could someone help me along and explain what is so special about a Howard Hill style longbow? I don't mean that smart aleck either...... Must be something pretty special about them for so many to shoot them. Only longbow I ever had was a Mohawk and found I shot them better than recurves...... Thanks in advance    ;)  
This thread (and the previous one) are what's known as "therapy" for those who are afflicted with.....well..... Hill envy.  I say that because every time I look at this thread, I think "you guys need therapy".
homebru
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Post by: ron w on June 14, 2014, 09:37:00 PM
You either like'm......or you don't. I shoot a bunch of different stuff but I always grab a Hill style when I just want to have fun and feel like an Archer.......   :archer:
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Post by: cmh on June 15, 2014, 11:54:00 AM
Had a great weekend..... I read all 128 pages hear and it really piqued my curiosity even more. Have even perused a few buyers pages such as Howard Hill Archery, JD Berry, and Northern Mist. I like bamboo ...... The Mohawk longbow I had ( I sure miss that bow) had multiple bamboo laminations that almost had a brownish green hue to them...... Much different than the lite and bright bamboo I'm seeing so what is the name of what I am looking for?
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on June 15, 2014, 12:59:00 PM
Vince just dyes his bamboo like that

Maybe "dirty bambo " is what he calls it
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Post by: Paul_R on June 15, 2014, 01:13:00 PM
Yup dirty boo. I have a Dave Johnson Thunderbird with 2 lams of yew inside and 2 lams of dirty boo outside under clear glass.. What a sweet shooter!

 (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/20140615_100810.jpg) (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/20140615_100831.jpg)
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Post by: cmh on June 15, 2014, 02:44:00 PM
Yes Sir...... Dirty .....boo is what I'm talking about. The face of it concealed itself well as I hunted on the ground in a natural blind.
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Post by: Shinken on June 16, 2014, 11:23:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Charlie Lamb:
In a recent discussion of bow length with my friend Nate Steen of Idaho I decided to experiment a little.
Nate had related how in a discussion he'd had with John Shulz, John admitted that he used shorter bows than what people normally thought of when choosing his style of bows. John was using 64" longbows of his own make.

Nate had tried bows of that length and was impressed by both their smoothness of draw and their speed.

I went an inch shorter. This bow is 63" ntn and 55#@28" draw. So far it seems to be a sweet-heart.

    (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/fatty1.JPG)  
    (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/fatty2.JPG)
     (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/fatty3.JPG)
OOOOooooooooohhhhhhh.........

NOW that is SIMPLICITY!  Beautiful SIMPLICITY!

Would luv to run a few arras through a LH model.....


   :notworthy:    :notworthy:    :notworthy:    


Shoot straight, Shinken

   :archer2:
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Post by: tg2nd on June 18, 2014, 12:48:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Charlie Lamb:
In a recent discussion of bow length with my friend Nate Steen of Idaho I decided to experiment a little.
Nate had related how in a discussion he'd had with John Shulz, John admitted that he used shorter bows than what people normally thought of when choosing his style of bows. John was using 64" longbows of his own make.

Nate had tried bows of that length and was impressed by both their smoothness of draw and their speed.

I went an inch shorter. This bow is 63" ntn and 55#@28" draw. So far it seems to be a sweet-heart.

    (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/fatty1.JPG)  
    (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/fatty2.JPG)
     (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/fatty3.JPG)
Charlie,
if RDS is reading this you will get banned!!

SACRILEGE!!!

HERESY!!

You know I wrote this in the first HH-Thread and RDS didn't agree! Nate offered him to build an AFL-Bow/HH-Bow to his specs (THIS SHORT!!)!
But it never went this way!!
Because what works/functions will work/function ever!!!
There's no progress/advance in bow building or bow hunting!
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Post by: tg2nd on June 18, 2014, 01:26:00 PM
John Schulz had 26" DL.
The bow in his video was 64", 14" riser.
I builded HH-style bows (all of them stringfollow) in 62"-66" for 25" - 26" DL (depending on the grip).
In my opinion:
HH's rule (DL + 40") shouldn't be changed by more then 2" +/-. For a reverse handle or stringfollow bow max -2".
If you go below this bow length, you will loose the advantages of an HH-style bow (forgiveness, stabillity, etc.).
Just my 2 cents.
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Post by: pavan on June 18, 2014, 05:42:00 PM
It is a bit more complicated than that, much can be done with taper slope and tiller that will change the dynamics.  As an example, 68" of bow to a 28" draw gives a ratio of 2.43" of bow for every inch of draw.  If you take reverse grip that gives a 2" or greater reduction relative draw stress to the limb.  In a reverse grip to a standard grip of 2&1/8" comparison for a 28" draw, that would equate to a 25&7/8" draw stress which would require a 63" bow to get that 2.43 ratio for a 28" draw.
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Post by: ChuckC on June 19, 2014, 08:54:00 AM
CMH,  some will find, in any endeavor that they pursue, that it often comes down to  not which is best, or fastest, or gaudiest, etc, but that which becomes a part of me.  

I have said it before and really feel this way.  I shoot a recurve a bit better than I do a longbow, but I am much happier shooting a longbow, for some reason.

It has nothing to do with increased difficulty or any known (to me) features, it is just... me !  

Seems the Hill style bows do that to a lot of folks.
ChuckC
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Post by: Mudd on June 19, 2014, 10:16:00 AM
ChuckC you've nailed it for me as well.

I have always said it isn't so much as how the bow feels when I shoot it..... as it is how the bow makes me feel when I shoot it.

There more than a few bows out there that I can shoot well with but unless they "take" me to "Sherwood" when I put my hand to it, I won't be shooting it much.

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: Dan bree on June 19, 2014, 11:14:00 AM
Chuck and mudd well said.  It's just something when  a bow takes you there and has that mojo .
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on June 19, 2014, 04:08:00 PM
When hunting we spend most of the time simply holding the bow.  For me, a hunting bow has to go from just being held to shooting with no additional preparation or thought, an automatic response coupled with casual accuracy.  I have had recurves that I could force to shoot tight groups by using the typical static target form techniques.  As a predominately still hunter and small game hunter, I rarely get a typical shot that allows for the form that I used with my target bows.  There are a couple of static things in my game shots, the arrow comes in my vision to a familiar position, the point lightly tags my index finger, my thumb knuckle slides to the back of my jaw and my fingers plant to my anchor.  If I need to do anything gentle or finicky with the bow, my concentration and the shot is blown.  When I get my hands on a bow that allows all of that and still puts out a quick accurate arrow, I get extremely possessive of that bow.  Just this morning I did a bare shaft test with four bows.  When I tested with my last bow, Morningstar, I chipped the nock of the first arrow with the second arrow.  I do not recall aiming all that hard, I was watching for arrow flight.  That is what I call casual accuracy.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Blaino on June 19, 2014, 04:55:00 PM
I'm with Paven on this one.  I didn't start busting nocks and tearing up fletching until I committed to shooting "Hill style"…. Short draw (from 30” to 28”), easy, nonchalant, let ’m rip style!

To take it a step further I struggle with my shooting in Howard's fashion if I think about the shot. When I just draw, get a solid anchor for a split second and drop the string without my string hand leaving my face is when I'm at my best.  The American semi-longbow allows me to shoot that way better than any other bow.

Hunting season is still far away though  :archer2:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on June 19, 2014, 05:09:00 PM
My objective is not to see how many arrows I can wreck, that just happens.  My objective is to confidently put good arrows through animals that we can eat.  I just went out and reminded myself how good my Hill Halfbreed from a blank is for me, I can shoot a few right handed without flaring up my release fingers.  It looks like I still have two bows that allow that game killing autopilot type of shot.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on June 19, 2014, 09:05:00 PM
Well said gentlemen!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mississippi bow hunter on June 21, 2014, 10:51:00 AM
I have the new Hill bow fever. I will be ordering in the next couple weeks. I currently have a 68 inch Wesley Special. Clear glass with locater grip. I am thinking about black glass on my next one. What do you guys think about adding carbon to the limb. Also I have a 29 inch draw. Do y'all think 66 inches would be to short?  Thanks for any help.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on June 21, 2014, 12:49:00 PM
I have seen 66" longbows that definately did not want to be drawn to 28" and some would go beyond.  Bows with thicker cores and faster tapers that I have had, all seem to have a sweet spot and going beyond that showed stacking.  On the flip side I know of a 62" Nortern Mist Whisper that drew smooth out to 28".  If the bowyer was aiming at a 29" right from the glue up, I am sure it can be done.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mississippi bow hunter on June 21, 2014, 01:38:00 PM
I was just thinking that a 66 inch would be a little more handy in the woods. It seems that everyone, I have spoken to about the carbon in the limbs all say the same thing. If they had it to do over again they would not add the carbon. They say that it made the bow feel a little stiffer than normal or maybe not quiet as smooth on the draw.

         God Bless
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Jabar on June 21, 2014, 02:23:00 PM
:campfire:    :coffee:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: cmh on June 22, 2014, 11:36:00 AM
Thanks     :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: cahaba on June 25, 2014, 09:08:00 AM
Got out and shot my JD Berry Vixen this morning. Deer season here starts Oct. 15th. so I'm still on the bag target. This bow amazes me every time I shoot it. The swing draw is coming together. I have shot swing draw style for awhile but something was missing until recently. It has taken me a month of practice to get to where I am. I am pumped for hunting season to start. Any of y'all pumped for hunting season to start?

Here is a 5 shot group at a measured 20 yards.
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I shot my Shelton some this morning too. I haven't shot it in a while. But it sure shoots great. Steve did a trapezoid design on this bow with the back being narrower than the belly. It shoots smooth and accurate too.

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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mississippi bow hunter on June 25, 2014, 09:15:00 AM
Good shooting cahaba!!! Looks like you got the hang of it.     God bless
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: ChiefStingingArrow on June 25, 2014, 04:42:00 PM
In this video of Howard shooting there is good footage of his release at 7:57

What kind of release did Howard have?
   did he relax his fingers and just let it go
    or did he pull through the shot?

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1iQhBhngD8  at
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: arrow flynn on June 27, 2014, 12:48:00 PM
When I went to see bob Wesley in 95 he was still shooting 70 lb bows . I wanted a hill style my draw is 27.5 and he ordered a 70 inch bow for me saying it would shoot the best for me I believe all of his bows were also that long and he drew 28 . I would not shoot anything less than 68 inches in a hill style mho
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: cmh on June 27, 2014, 08:57:00 PM
Very interesting..... Did Mr Wesley elaborate why..... Thanks  ;)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on June 29, 2014, 07:27:00 AM
 (http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m518/chrislovesjean/DSCN1072.jpg) (http:// [url=http://s1129.photobucket.com/user/chrislovesjean/media/DSCN1072.jpg.html) ]ck[/URL]

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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Bud B. on June 29, 2014, 08:00:00 AM
I like this pic the best. Nice grip/handle/riser!!

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Nice build Chris! How deep and wide is that grip??
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on June 29, 2014, 08:07:00 AM
I cant get this stupid Photobucket thing figured out Bud? I tried.

The bow is 69" ntn, 58 @ 28", 1" fades straight tapering to 3/8" tips, basically an ALB. The grip is 2" x 4" by 7/8" wide. It was made from a 3/4 x 6 x 40 deck board scrap end. All held together by TB3 wood glue. Even the splice.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Bud B. on June 29, 2014, 08:16:00 AM
That is a beautiful bow!!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on June 29, 2014, 08:19:00 AM
I should mention each fade is 4" long. So that abrupt handle area isn't bending or moving.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mudd on June 29, 2014, 08:39:00 AM
Most excellent Pearl Drums!!

   :archer:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Bud B. on June 29, 2014, 08:39:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by PEARL DRUMS:
I cant get this stupid Photobucket thing figured out Bud? I tried.

The bow is 69" ntn, 58 @ 28", 1" fades straight tapering to 3/8" tips, basically an ALB. The grip is 2" x 4" by 7/8" wide. It was made from a 3/4 x 6 x 40 deck board scrap end. All held together by TB3 wood glue. Even the splice.
 (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f94/Equismith/ChrisHelp.png) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/Equismith/media/ChrisHelp.png.html)

Like so...

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Hope this helps a little. You have to copy each link for each pic then paste them (one at a time) into the thread. I usually have two windows open and switch back and forth until I get all the pics into a particular post.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on June 29, 2014, 08:47:00 AM
Think I got it now. I was close! Thanks for the help Bud.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on June 29, 2014, 08:51:00 AM
Dang Chris, that's excellent!  I was thinking the other day that we hadn't seen too many posts from you in awhile.  Now I know why.....you snuck into the ASL world.  Very nice old school steep fades.....I'm really liking this bow!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on June 29, 2014, 09:00:00 AM
Im all over PA Rob. Ive been building bows like a fool for a few years now. Somewhere around 200 plus Id guess. Most are self bows. This one isn't so much!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Caboo on June 29, 2014, 09:37:00 AM
That's a awesome looking bow. Really like the string to limb tip angle at full draw!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on June 29, 2014, 10:39:00 AM
Outstanding build!!! That is a sweet looker
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Ric O'Shay on June 29, 2014, 05:12:00 PM
That is really a shape looking bow!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mudd on June 30, 2014, 12:25:00 AM
I recently did a little horse trading with Steve Clandinin for this GN longbow 68" and 48@28.

This is a photo of the 1st 4 arrows out of the bow about 20 minutes after it arrived.

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Here is a video I took this afternoon just to show the GN in action.

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God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: cahaba on June 30, 2014, 06:27:00 PM
Congrats on your new bow Roy. I really like the way it looks. Good shooting too!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Hermon on June 30, 2014, 10:45:00 PM
ah-ah-ah-AH-CHOO!
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Post by: dhermon85 on June 30, 2014, 10:54:00 PM
God bless you
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: NBK on July 01, 2014, 11:27:00 AM
Mudd,
Nice looking Great Northern.  Mind elaborating a bit on its shooting characteristics compared to other Hill styles you've shot?
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mudd on July 01, 2014, 01:51:00 PM
The best way I know how to tell you is.....if my Amazon Queen(JD Berry Northstar) is a 10 and my Amazon Lady(JD Berry Vixen) is a 9.5 then the GN is about an 8.5.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: pavan on July 01, 2014, 03:27:00 PM
One person's 9 may be another person's 10.  I have one left hand 10 and one right hand 10, anymore and I would think I was suffering from redundancy.  However,  I have three 9.5 righties and two 9.5 lefties and one recurve lefty that cannot be redundantly scored because it is not a longbow.  These figures suggest that I am off my redundant balance by one 9.5 lefty longbow.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: NBK on July 01, 2014, 03:46:00 PM
Thanks Mudd.  I get it.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: cmh on July 01, 2014, 05:37:00 PM
Great looking bow Mr Mudd  and video    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mudd on July 01, 2014, 06:16:00 PM
I 100% agree with Pavan.

Mine is just one person's appraisal of my bows. Someone else shooting the same bows might rank them totally differently than I did.

God bless,Mudd

PS: Thanks for the kinds words guys.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 02, 2014, 12:16:00 AM
Don't remember If I've shared this or not, but I refinished my JD Berry Vixen a month or so ago.
I love a good high gloss on a bow.

 http://youtu.be/NZAxJUL3CHQ
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Steve Clandinin on July 02, 2014, 01:19:00 AM
Well I received my Wallace Mtn. longbow from Mudd yesterday and to say I was elated would be an understatement.Man this bow made me look good.In all honesty the first four arrows were in a 4" group dead centre.Doing buissness with Roy is an absolute joy.
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Post by: Stump Buster on July 02, 2014, 02:22:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Brianlocal3:
Don't remember If I've shared this or not, but I refinished my JD Berry Vixen a month or so ago.
I love a good high gloss on a bow.

   http://youtu.be/NZAxJUL3CHQ  
Hey Brian,

Nice job on the re-finish!!!     :thumbsup:  

I watched your most recent video too and if you want to break that skateboard, ya don't have to keep jumping on it, just take it to a band-saw... or shoot a couple broadheads into it.    :biglaugh:
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 02, 2014, 07:41:00 AM
Lol

Well , a fat man trying to re-live his more agile and invincible days. It's a fun . Ha
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Dan bree on July 02, 2014, 08:43:00 AM
Brian  what did you use on your refinish   Nice job.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 02, 2014, 09:09:00 AM
Rustoleum automootive clear coat .

4 coats. I sanded with 320 in between coats, after last spray I went to 600 grit. , then after it cured for a couple days I went to 1000 , then 1500 , then 2000 with polishing compound and a final buff with compound z

All the higher grits took maybe 30 min for all of it, not as time consuming as it sounds written out
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 02, 2014, 09:12:00 AM
In the video I hadn't polished it yet
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mudd on July 02, 2014, 09:21:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Brianlocal3:
Lol

Well , a fat man trying to re-live his more agile and invincible days. It's a fun . Ha
Brian I have worked hard at getting this body down to just being a "fat man".....lol  (it's an improvement over "morbidly obese")

50 lbs gone but another 50 to go.

BTW:Your refinish job is awesome!!

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: ron w on July 02, 2014, 03:26:00 PM
Hey Mudd........what model Great Northern is your bow? It's a nice one!!
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Jacquesbonin on July 02, 2014, 04:16:00 PM
Well Gang, thought I would share my recent acquisition with you! I became the owner of a Howard Hill longbow! 69"60@30" named "Old Reiable" came with the original string, canvas with leather bottom case, a backquiver, like new! Also an arm guard, an original Howard Hill glove, looks unused! And three boxes of arrows, two boxes of field tipped, one box of Hill broadheaded arrows, 30 of them, plus an additional 10 unused broadheads! Notes the heads say Howard Hill on them, they are blued after they were sharpened, these were made by Hill archery not Ben Pearson, very interesting! Now for the special information, wait for it! This bow was bowyered by Jim Darling, a while Howard signed this longbow, he decided to name it "Old Reliable" for his older brother "Doc" Hill! Tell me I just the luckiest guy!  If someone could email me at jacquesabonin@gmail.com I could email pictures for someone to post! Enjoy Jacques
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mudd on July 02, 2014, 04:28:00 PM
Jacquesbonin I sent you an e-mail.
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mudd on July 02, 2014, 05:32:00 PM
Here you go Jacques:

  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/photo3_zps49e0af1d.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/photo3_zps49e0af1d.jpg.html)

  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/photo1_zps89ce6394.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/photo1_zps89ce6394.jpg.html)

  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/photo4_zps7781b1d1.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/photo4_zps7781b1d1.jpg.html)

  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/photo3_zps7bf0cbe5.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/photo3_zps7bf0cbe5.jpg.html)

  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/photo2_zpscd2fb2ff.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/photo2_zpscd2fb2ff.jpg.html)

  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/photo1_zps33275f07.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/photo1_zps33275f07.jpg.html)

Nice find!!

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Green on July 02, 2014, 05:54:00 PM
Congrats Jacques!

The refinish job that Brian has shown is real easy to do.  I sanded my Morningstar with 180 grit this afternoon, wiped it down with denatured alcohol, and hung it to dry.  Went back over it with 220 to clear off some very visible scratches in the shelf area from my poor technique, then wiped/dried again and sprayed the first two coats of Rust Oleum Gloss Auto enamel on about an hour apart.  

I'll follow Brian's advice and knock the finish down a bit with 400 between subsequent coats, and then go up through the grit ranks till I get to polishing compound.  The Rust Oleum gives a deep gloss finish to the wood, and everything was found at Wally World.  Hey, if I can do it.....
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 02, 2014, 06:19:00 PM
Rob,
Glad the refinish is coming along good for you.  I look forward to seeing the finished product!!
  (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/July%202%20stump%20shoot/file_zps20ec6431.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/July%202%20stump%20shoot/file_zps20ec6431.jpg.html)

ill be posting my adventure today in a bit.
here is a teaser pic
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 02, 2014, 06:21:00 PM
and Thanks to Bud B's help in his quiver thread I can finally wear my BQ with comfort
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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 02, 2014, 06:29:00 PM
well the neighbor kids came over so dinner is postponed for a bit so the kiddos can burn off some energy.  

I got to get out to do some stump shooting today, and with my newly altered HHA Back quiver , JD Berry Vixen and  a quiver full of odds and ends arrows to include poplar, doug fir, western larch, and aluminums I decided to slay the forest.  

the fields are chest/head high
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But the access road has been cleared

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First thing i see is a ground hog hightailing it off the trail
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Next was a fox but no pic was taken.

Bordering both sides are chest high stinging nettles (itch weed)

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Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mudd on July 02, 2014, 06:36:00 PM
Here are a couple more of Jacques' treasures.

I'll post the pictures but I'll let Jacques tell you about the bows.

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  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/photo3_zpsc14ca682.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/photo3_zpsc14ca682.jpg.html)

  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/photo2_zpsdb0e1058.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/photo2_zpsdb0e1058.jpg.html)

  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/photo1_zpsb6d5b2fb.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/photo1_zpsb6d5b2fb.jpg.html)

  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/photo1_zpsb53effd2.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/photo1_zpsb53effd2.jpg.html)

  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/photo2_zpsb976a568.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/photo2_zpsb976a568.jpg.html)

  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/photo3_zps0d790ba6.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/photo3_zps0d790ba6.jpg.html)


God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Mudd on July 02, 2014, 06:37:00 PM
Had too many pictures for one post.

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God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 02, 2014, 06:39:00 PM
I used my bow to chop down a path thru the nettles so I could access this nice ridge and do some shooting
  (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/July%202%20stump%20shoot/file_zps9f879160.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/July%202%20stump%20shoot/file_zps9f879160.jpg.html)

this stump was my first target
  (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/July%202%20stump%20shoot/file_zps1f205ef8.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/July%202%20stump%20shoot/file_zps1f205ef8.jpg.html)

and a success
  (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/July%202%20stump%20shoot/file_zps9699b2e7.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/July%202%20stump%20shoot/file_zps9699b2e7.jpg.html)


another glory shot, because i like them
  (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/July%202%20stump%20shoot/file_zps607ce679.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/July%202%20stump%20shoot/file_zps607ce679.jpg.html)

one of the many ogres

  (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/July%202%20stump%20shoot/file_zps5dcffea3.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/July%202%20stump%20shoot/file_zps5dcffea3.jpg.html)

a success full kill.  this one was 50 yards
  (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/July%202%20stump%20shoot/file_zps8228dc54.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/July%202%20stump%20shoot/file_zps8228dc54.jpg.html)

good penetration
  (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/July%202%20stump%20shoot/file_zpsd5aa9ef3.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/July%202%20stump%20shoot/file_zpsd5aa9ef3.jpg.html)
Title: Re: HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 02, 2014, 06:43:00 PM
my stumper of choice. baby blue dip, and my arch enemy, the nettles
  (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/July%202%20stump%20shoot/47A6D343-C8BF-4060-ADFC-814D54E67A05_zpsykyyvbes.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/July%202%20stump%20shoot/47A6D343-C8BF-4060-ADFC-814D54E67A05_zpsykyyvbes.jpg