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Legends and Pioneers => Howard Hill => Topic started by: longbowben on January 07, 2011, 01:08:00 PM

Title: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 07, 2011, 01:08:00 PM
Im ordering a new Wesley special today 66" 58@28 Now im going to have to tell the wife.                    :knothead:                

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Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: KPaul on January 07, 2011, 01:16:00 PM
Ben: HH bug bit me also.Have a new Redman 68",53#@28.Can't stop shooting it.Have'nt touched my other bows.Wondering too about a wesley special in the future. good luck.my spouse does'nt know about the Redman .....YET   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 07, 2011, 01:22:00 PM
:laughing:     :laughing:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 07, 2011, 01:24:00 PM
Sorry fellas, I just had to laugh! Jason told me yesterday my new Tembo was finished and to look for it early next week. This will give me an all Howard Hill line up with the exception of my Maddog recurve.

Its been a while coming but, "I've Gone to the Hills!"   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Blueridge on January 07, 2011, 01:29:00 PM
It bit me too. Got a Wesley about a month ago and see a Big 5 in my near future. Just a little heavier than 56@28. I have started making POC arrows again like crazy. I shoot during the day and even again at night in the basement. Every day!!!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Cookus on January 07, 2011, 01:41:00 PM
The HH bug has bitten me as well!   It all started when I bought a Wesley Special off of Mike "GRAPES" Vines.   After shooting it for the first time, my Black Widows have gathered dust ever since.   With the right arrow, these things hit right where you're looking!   I gave in to this new malady when I snagged the HH Black Bear off of the classifieds this morning!   Thank God the wife gave an enthusiatic blessing to proceed!  
     Which bow and what kind of riser wood did you order Ben?   I really liked the ebony riser on the bow you unveiled to us on Christmas!   Sharp!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on January 07, 2011, 02:18:00 PM
Better to beg for forgiveness than to ask for permission!  :smileystooges:  

Since I have some ammunition,let me see here. How about..................
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: RC on January 07, 2011, 02:37:00 PM
You gotta love it!!!  I`ve said this many times, A Hill bow may not be the fastest,easiest to master or short and easy to move around in a blind in but they are the most enjoyable killers to shoot.RC
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: KPaul on January 07, 2011, 03:16:00 PM
Got this itch for a wesley special with ebony handle.First will have to explain the Redman that I'm shootin now!   :nono:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Blueridge on January 07, 2011, 03:27:00 PM
KPaul that's easy, "every man has to have a back up bow" Wives have back up pocketbooks don't they?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 07, 2011, 03:29:00 PM
:biglaugh:    :biglaugh:    :biglaugh:  

Didn't take long did it Ben !
good stuff !
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 07, 2011, 03:34:00 PM
I just got off the phone with Craig and he's doing the final spray on my "Robin Hood" special.

I've got to get on the ball and sell some bows!...lol

I'm not sure the word "pumped" rises to the level that correctly reflects my mood...lol

God bless, Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Overspined on January 07, 2011, 03:40:00 PM
I got BIT, I have 2 reman lb's, a Wesley, and a cheetah T/D! Also a Northern Mist classic....HELP!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Overspined on January 07, 2011, 03:41:00 PM
Anyone want to trade a 68" for a 66"? I need to move up a couple "
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Bill Turner on January 07, 2011, 04:05:00 PM
KPaul you've got good taste. I have a TD "RedMan" with an extra lam of yew, 64", 53@28 with Ebony riser and tips. It is something special. My "Wesley Special" is 66", 50@28, carbon backed lambo, with ebony riser, and elk horn tips and riser overlay. Oh yea, it also has a black ostrich stitched grip. Hard to beat the clean look of ebony on a Hill bow.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rooselk on January 07, 2011, 04:08:00 PM
My HH bite is still itching. That's because I still have another month to go until I'll be able to place my orded.

Kpual, I also plan to order a 68" Redman. I'd love to see pics of your bow if you have any.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: pavan on January 07, 2011, 04:19:00 PM
i saw a fleeting post about a yew Pete George at the Footed Shaft and jumped all over it.  i guess the appropriate word is "shocked", man what a bow. My wife said "You better get it before someone who does not know what it is gets it."  Can i pick 'em or what.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: smilinicon on January 07, 2011, 04:23:00 PM
I have a 68" Redman and a 70" Wesley Special. I have to say the Wesley is my favorite. I own many different types of bows and the Hill's are my favorite. Light as a feather...
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 07, 2011, 04:38:00 PM
Overspined  what are the draw weights of your 66"ers?

   :nono:  

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: TRAD900 on January 07, 2011, 04:42:00 PM
I think I paid for Craig's house with all the Hill's I own.I have over 200 bows,most of them Hill's.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: GingivitisKahn on January 07, 2011, 04:52:00 PM
Congrats!  We assume you will have the decency to post copious pictures once you have the new Hill.   :D
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on January 07, 2011, 04:57:00 PM
I don't want to talk about it.   :saywhat:  

200 Hills! Man! Can you take a photo of them all?   :clapper:  

I'll just say that those bow stringers I mentioned aren't coming over here all by themselves...

And, I reckon I hinted at it to my wife, but when she finds out... well, she'll let me know that merely hinting and talking hypotheticals isn't the same as actually asking.   :goldtooth:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on January 07, 2011, 04:58:00 PM
Oh, and congratulations, LongbowBen! Too much fun!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Frank V on January 07, 2011, 05:28:00 PM
Longbowben, You are going to love it. They are nice & smooth, forgiving, easy to carry, & just plain pretty.   :thumbsup:  
Frank
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Jack Denbow on January 07, 2011, 06:42:00 PM
And I thought I was the only one with a HH itch. I have been resisting scratching but I think I am weakening. You guys are sure making it hard.
Jack
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 07, 2011, 08:36:00 PM
Jack, go ahead...you'll be cool...your friends will like you...you'll fit in...you'll be in the in crowd!

No pressure here!!   :D
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Jerry Jeffer on January 07, 2011, 08:48:00 PM
200!!!!! My goodness man!!!! I guess you looked at the menu and said "I'll take one of every thing".
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 07, 2011, 09:14:00 PM
Pavan that was almost the Holy Grail there man! A Pete George for $175...you need to buy a lottery ticket ASAP LOL!!! Congrats on a GREAT find!

Spanky
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: pavan on January 07, 2011, 10:01:00 PM
Maybe I should go back to being a professional poker player and leave the music thing.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: straitera on January 07, 2011, 10:05:00 PM
Hill shooters coming out of the woodwork. Hope you all enjoy as much as I have all these years. Get used to longer bows w/straight grip & shame on you.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 07, 2011, 10:48:00 PM
This bow has ebony rizer all the way to the back lambs for the old school look and ebony tips.Im stoked.This will be my 2nd, Wow 200 bows Trad900 my wife would kill me.Craig said 4-5 weeks   :jumper:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on January 07, 2011, 11:27:00 PM
longbowben-

I don't know if I missed it, but what limb material did you get?

Congratulation,
Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 07, 2011, 11:30:00 PM
5 layers of Bamboo with clear glass.Ebony tips and old school ebony handle.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 07, 2011, 11:37:00 PM
And all your falt Ben Maher.  :laughing:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 08, 2011, 12:03:00 AM
This is my first Wesley special. (http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj10/longbowben/DSC06776.jpg)And i cant wait for the new one.I couldnt believe how easy it was to shoot a D bow with a straight grip.And all this talk about hand shock is   :dunno:  I must be holding it right.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 08, 2011, 06:12:00 AM
I will have to get some pictures to go with this post but I just picked up from the P.O. a "new-to-me" sweet shooting Big 5 66' 51@28.

Ah ha! I found some online but I'll take some of my own later.

 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Howard%20Hill%20bows/002600x450.jpg)
 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Howard%20Hill%20bows/003600x450.jpg)
 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Howard%20Hill%20bows/004600x450.jpg)
 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Howard%20Hill%20bows/005600x450.jpg)
 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Howard%20Hill%20bows/007600x450.jpg)

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: KPaul on January 08, 2011, 07:54:00 AM
I keep thinking...ebony,ebony,ebony.I like it     longbowben.      :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 08, 2011, 07:58:00 AM
Ben...I'll gladly take the blame mate !
I reckon you'll find the longer length all the sweeter and ebony and 'boo under clear glass is about as good as it gets .
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Cookus on January 08, 2011, 08:44:00 AM
Nice looking Big 5 Mudd!   How many Hills are you currently providing room and board for?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Overspined on January 08, 2011, 09:04:00 AM
I shoot a league in winter, some technohunt. I shot my personal best yesterday and was within many wheelie bow shooters' scores!  A 202. I didn't miss a target. 68" 45# redman. I did get antler tips and ebony riser. I like the darker risers but have seen some w snakewood too that r cool! I am finding that I shoot lighter and longer bows about 50 and less easier and more accurately. I can handle more, but not for long
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kevin L. on January 08, 2011, 09:29:00 AM
I know all about it. My favorite at the moment is a 66" Wesley drawing 58@28. In fact, most of my bows are within a pound or two of that draw. Nothing feels like bamboo, whether in a bow limb or a fly rod.

I think every one who buys, sells or trades bows has the one that they wish they had back. Mine was a 68" 58@28 Wesley with clear glass, an ebony riser, dished grip and no tip overlays. That one ended up going to a new home when money was tight way back in the mid '90s and I still miss it.

Right now, the stable is down to the Wesley, a Cheetah and 10 or 11 other assorted longbows, all similar in profile to a Hill. Add in a couple of '50s style recurves and my project next week is to make some racks for bows and flintlocks.

Good choice    :thumbsup:

Kevin
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 08, 2011, 09:33:00 AM
Any pictures Kevin?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: HARL on January 08, 2011, 09:37:00 AM
I always love these threads !!! I am not sure how many fellas I have warned about trying out a Hill bow.Believe me I found out years ago about the Hill Bug !!!!!!!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: RRock on January 08, 2011, 09:39:00 AM
Well, that dose it. I've got a couple weeks left here before the season is out and I'm gonna finish it with my HH Big 5. 55@28" 68". Really like shooting that bow.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Jack Denbow on January 08, 2011, 11:38:00 AM
Why did I look at this thread again? Dern you guys. Ebony, ebony, ebony, now I am going to have to look at the website. I think I am going to get a whipping.
Jack
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 08, 2011, 11:58:00 AM
African Blackwood makes a great contrasting riser wood against lighter colored limb cores. Here is my "Owl" that is Osage/African Blackwood.

  (http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/TradNut/101_0225.jpg)
 (http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/TradNut/101_0227.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 08, 2011, 12:02:00 PM
Outstanding looking bow.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rooselk on January 08, 2011, 12:08:00 PM
Beautiful.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 08, 2011, 12:17:00 PM
Here's a couple more Ebony ones for you guys! It looks really nice with clear glass, but I prefer black glass with mine!

   (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/IMG_0144.jpg)
   (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/HHCarbonTembo.jpg)
   (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/IMG_0114.jpg)

The Hill bug bit me several years ago but he was nothing compared to the latest one that got me - the Sunset Hill Bug....a vicious little critter whose bite causes severe anxiety, hair loss, nail biting, and a rapid loss of available funds!   :help:    Thank goodness the treatments aren't TOO expensive LOL!

Spanky    :thumbsup:  

  (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/WhiteDragon003.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 08, 2011, 01:24:00 PM
Spanky the 2nd picture up is the handle i am getting That looks sweet.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 08, 2011, 01:25:00 PM
And thanks everyone for the pictures.Lets see more  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: smilinicon on January 08, 2011, 05:42:00 PM
those ebony risers are very nice.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on January 09, 2011, 06:37:00 PM
another ebony riser/gray glass.
 (http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy241/davidmitchell_6466/Hill%20string%20follow/BigFivestringfollow001.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 09, 2011, 06:58:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by David Mitchell:
another ebony riser/gray glass.
  (http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy241/davidmitchell_6466/Hill%20string%20follow/BigFivestringfollow001.jpg)
Every time I've seen this bow I've drooled.

I can't imagine trying to hunt with it unless out in a white sand desert or a full on blanket of snow..lol

Thanks for showing it off again.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Cookus on January 09, 2011, 07:13:00 PM
That's a beautiful bow David!   Must resist this ebony temptation...
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 09, 2011, 07:14:00 PM
Mudd, my new Tembo is going to shock you if you like that one! I won't tell ya what it looks like yet, except that David and I share the same taste. Should be here this week some time.    :D
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: BEN on January 09, 2011, 08:02:00 PM
So...are you ready to sell the GOOD MOAB now! LOL!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 09, 2011, 08:29:00 PM
Good try but that bow has sentimental value and i want my son to have it.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on January 09, 2011, 10:51:00 PM
Aww,sell the bow and give Hayden the arrow. It did all the work anyhow!   :laughing:      :archer2:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on January 09, 2011, 10:55:00 PM
Hey spanky,whats the wood in the last riser? Is that verawood?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on January 10, 2011, 08:32:00 AM
Mudd, is there no gray tree bark in your area?  :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: KPaul on January 10, 2011, 08:54:00 AM
That last ebony bow has sent me over the edge!   :help:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 10, 2011, 09:28:00 AM
:wavey:     :campfire:    :campfire:  


The gray tree bark in my neck of the woods appears much darker than the gray of your bow.(which I love to look at btw)

Under the following conditions, yours should work great!

 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Chrstmas%20Eve%202010/DSC01010.jpg)

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 10, 2011, 10:33:00 AM
Mike that is a really nice piece of Myrtle. Here's a couple more views. Nate did a beautiful job on "White Dragon" and it has been become my favorite bow of all time!

Spanky

 (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/WhiteDragon004.jpg)
 (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/WhiteDragon002.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 10, 2011, 11:42:00 AM
Some very nice bows.I told the wife that i ordered the bow  and now im safe.Untill i find another one.  :archer2:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 10, 2011, 11:53:00 AM
Your never safe after this bug bites ya LOL!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on January 10, 2011, 01:09:00 PM
Thanks Spanky. Sure is a purty riser.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on January 10, 2011, 01:10:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by longbowben:
I told the wife that i ordered the bow  and now im safe.   :banghead:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on January 10, 2011, 01:45:00 PM
Actually, Mudd, the limbs on my bow are not as light as they appear in the picture. I should take a better shot of it sometime, but if I do I'm afraid somebody who may know where I live will break in a steal it it's so purty....That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.  :biglaugh:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: RC on January 10, 2011, 02:07:00 PM
Love those Hill bows. Spanky You have got some fine ones and I like the Sunset Hill for sure.I love my Mohawk but I`m starting to want a Hill bow bad. I`ve been thinking about building one.RC
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 10, 2011, 04:29:00 PM
Sounds good RC! Wish I had the tools, talent, and time to build one myself but I'll just stick with Nate...I couldn't improve it if I tried! Keep the Mohawk Bud, but get the Hill you want and keep it this time!!

Spanky
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Cookus on January 10, 2011, 07:15:00 PM
I'm counting the days until my "new to me" Black Bear gets here!   Not ebony, but black none the less!   I've got the 2018 XX75s by the door to give a proper welcoming!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 10, 2011, 07:40:00 PM
Cookus, be sure to post some shooting pics of that Black Bear.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 10, 2011, 10:49:00 PM
Cookus that is a sweet bow i was drooling.When it shows up pics in action. Love the bent limb pictures.Leartherneck just had to tell her when the time was right.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 11, 2011, 06:33:00 AM
i can't take it any more!!!

you guyz are KILLING ME!!!

rang up jason yesterday, custom big 5 on order ..............
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 11, 2011, 06:35:00 AM
Rob, I always said you were a man of class and distinction ...
But c'mon man ... specs ? Don't leave us hanging ...
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 11, 2011, 08:05:00 AM
big 5, 68", 52# @ 28" but tillered to my 29.5" (should be 55# to me), string follow limbset, heat tempered ("carmalized") boo under clear glass, paduak riser and tip overlays, locator handle under a black laced leather grip.  eta, 4 weeks and counting.

i also have a david miller ol' tom on order (eta, months and months and months away), 69", but with all the other same spex as the big 5.

all that's left is a sunset hill, and nate and i will get together on that come the summer, eh nate?  ;)  

this will complete my 'howard hill trifecta' - ekin hill, miller hill, steen hill.  who said life ain't fun .... sometimes!  :D
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 11, 2011, 08:15:00 AM
Rob,
Sounds beautiful ... I love the caramelized 'boo

I am sure you will love the Miller ... mine is about as sweet as it gets . Certainly no barn burner but just seems to put the arrows where I am looking with uncanny accuracy. Dave is great guy to deal with.

I am have this ongoing conversation with .. my Girlfriend , my accountant and Nate Steen ... I'll try and get that done sooner rather than later !

Look foward to pics ...

I'm waiting on ...
a Belcher Union Jack ..my 2nd but this time in a t/d
a Hill "Robin Hood" ...
and as of about five minutes ago I decided to ring Jason and Craig and get them to make me a new 66" T/d for this March's hunting trip to new Zealand... but what woods ?
Maybe Honey locust or elm .. maybe caramalized 'boo ? I'll decide in the next few hours and give 'em a call .. that is if every phone line in Australia ain't cut with all this flooding !
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 11, 2011, 08:25:00 AM
oooo, dat's ALL good stuff, ben!   :thumbsup:  

what's yer draw length?

which t/d sleeve - large or small?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 11, 2011, 08:35:00 AM
I'm just on 27" ... short for my 5' 10"

...but I'm left handed which means although I have a short draw length I am inherently a better shot and better looking than those right handed people who draw over 28" ......    :saywhat:

I have come to prefer the large t/d sleeve . May not feel as good but I shoot them just a tad better .
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 11, 2011, 08:44:00 AM
we'll forgive you for such a short draw length, mate.  ;)

i was gonna order out a t/d sleeve but that would mean a straight grip with no locator ... love me locator.  :)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on January 11, 2011, 08:45:00 AM
Hypothetical question here, If someone whos only shot ref/def longbows wanted to buy a D-bow(HH),what recommendations would you all give to that person to make the transition smoother? Just hypothetical of course.

Rob, shot you a PM.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 11, 2011, 08:49:00 AM
Rob looks like that bug bit you good.And Ben what TD sleeve is in the bow i got off you?And i agree about us lefty's  :laughing:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 11, 2011, 08:50:00 AM
Here's a teaser!!!...lol

 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Bama%20Hill/bows3391.jpg)
 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Bama%20Hill/bows3389.jpg)
 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Bama%20Hill/bows3388.jpg)
 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Bama%20Hill/bows3390.jpg)

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 11, 2011, 08:51:00 AM
Leatherneck ...
I'd just ensure that you have some low stretch strings , at least 9gns per pound [ i prefer 11 ] and just stick with it for a couple of weeks .
You'll be surprised how accurate they are , how much nicer people in the street are to you and how much cooler you'll look in the safari suit with a back quiver !

Get one in a moderate weight and if you don't like it , you could probably sell it in the classifieds pretty quick .
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 11, 2011, 08:52:00 AM
Ben ,
it was the large sleeve .
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Post by: longbowben on January 11, 2011, 08:56:00 AM
Thanks wasn't sure what size but it is very comfortable.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: smilinicon on January 11, 2011, 09:00:00 AM
I go back and forth between R/D longbow (Kohannah Fury), straight grip (HH Redman) and dished (HH Wesley) with no issues.

The R/D LB 'feels' a bit easier to pull and smoother to shoot.

The dished grip feels a bit better to me on the HH's.

I wish I really liked one type more than the other, but I can't bring myself to give up any of the bows. The 62" R/D will be for pop-up blind use and the Hill's are just in my blood now.

Cary
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 11, 2011, 09:32:00 AM
imho, there are many things to consider about 'longbows'.

for the most part and for all their outward simplicity, longbows are far more difficult to design and properly build than one of those 'wired wheel' type 'bows'.

just like acoustic flat top guitars, longbows are ALL unique in one way or another.  even within the same brand and model.  things crafted from copious amounts of organic material (wood!) are just that way,

there are significant differences between 'hill-style', 'mild r/d' and 'aggressive r/d' longbows.  significant.  the differences are manifested mostly in overall performance and the 'feel of the shot'.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on January 11, 2011, 09:35:00 AM
Thanks Ben. I was just asking for a friends,cousins, brothers,nephew that wanted to know.  :bigsmyl:
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Post by: OP-archer on January 11, 2011, 09:39:00 AM
:clapper:  What a great thread!  My son (he's 32)and I  have been discussing getting HH bows.  I will definetely tell him to look at this abundance of information and endorsements.

Rick
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Post by: SpankyNeal on January 11, 2011, 10:03:00 AM
Rob, you and Ben don't need to be talking to Nate as he now has two more to build for me, and I don't want to wait any longer than necessary!  :biglaugh:  I don't know but it seems to me like the Hill bugs are multiplying...might be an epidemic on the way!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 11, 2011, 10:13:00 AM
this is a good bug for a trad bowhunter to have!  ;)
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Post by: David Mitchell on January 11, 2011, 11:06:00 AM
Ben Maher, it is really amazing how few people realize what you have so accurately and cogently stated--that left handed shooters are indeed the best looking dudes out there.....the other thing about being better shooters I shall leave untouched in the case of yours truly here. Man do you ever have the fever.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 11, 2011, 11:14:00 AM
Its a good thing i got mine ordered before everyone got all fired up.For the next few months we will get to see lots of new HH bows   :bigsmyl:  I cant wait to see all of them.
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Post by: leatherneck on January 11, 2011, 11:37:00 AM
quote:
Originally posted by longbowben:
Its a good thing i got mine ordered before everyone got all fired up.For the next few months we will get to see lots of new HH bows    :scared:
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Post by: longbowben on January 11, 2011, 11:42:00 AM
:help:    :help:    :help:
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Post by: Wannabe1 on January 11, 2011, 12:52:00 PM
leatherneck, that's funny right there but, ole Ben would have a coniption waiting! We'd never get a bit of peace!    :laughing:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Steve Clandinin on January 11, 2011, 03:36:00 PM
This HH thing is really catching,before all these new threads I didn't give these bows much thought,since then the desire is fired! Love Bens pictures of downunder,but as it is I HATE WAITING FOR BOWS to be built.My Motto is:"I would much rather be shooting a bow than waiting for it" I noticed most bowyers have bows in stock,now the decision.I truly believe its all Mudds fault !LOL
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Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on January 11, 2011, 04:02:00 PM
Go Rob!   :thumbsup:
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Post by: Wannabe1 on January 11, 2011, 04:18:00 PM
Steve, Craig has a few in stock bows listed on his website. Might give it a looksee to see if he has one in your specs.   :thumbsup:
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Post by: KPaul on January 11, 2011, 04:24:00 PM
bought my Redman(68",53@28) from the stock bows on the website and love it!I have unstrung my other bows.Planning on a wes special with ....Ebony!  Can't decide on the color glass yet.
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Post by: leatherneck on January 11, 2011, 04:29:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Wannabe1:
leatherneck, that's funny right there but, ole Ben would have a coniption waiting! We'd never get a bit of peace!     :laughing:  
\\

You got that right! And you all dont have to live beside him.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on January 11, 2011, 05:01:00 PM
Steve, the neat thing about ordering from Hill is the wait is so short you hardly have time to get antsy.  :)
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Post by: Wannabe1 on January 11, 2011, 05:04:00 PM
That is a fact! I ordered my Tembo on the 15th of Dec. and it's supposed to be here tomorrow or the next day.    :thumbsup:
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Post by: Mudd on January 11, 2011, 05:47:00 PM
I am really getting...I don't know...

I know that my "Robin Hood" is sitting there finished and ready to ship.

I am waiting on two checks to arrive this week so I can finish paying for it.

It is so tempting to just go ahead, write and send my check knowing the other two should be here before mine gets there but should something go wrong I'd be in trouble.

I'm gonna find my birth certificate and try putting "patience" in my name...lol

Thanks for letting me vent a little frustration.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Blueridge on January 11, 2011, 05:51:00 PM
Just got off the phone with Craig and ordered my second HH. Big 5, string follow with carmalized bamboo. 68" 63#@28 and best of all its a lefty.
I had to get another one before i wore my Wesley out. This is gonna be fun!
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Post by: tradlongbow on January 11, 2011, 06:32:00 PM
Hey Gang-

I've been playing with my new Hill for a couple of weeks now, and find it hard to put down. I find myself wanting to hold the bow while watching T.V. This is my first time getting the gloss finish, it really makes the grain in the wood pop.

Darren

 (http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af219/tradlongbow/fam026.jpg)
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 11, 2011, 06:35:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Blueridge:
Just got off the phone with Craig and ordered my second HH. Big 5, string follow with carmalized bamboo. 68" 63#@28 and best of all its a lefty.
I had to get another one before i wore my Wesley out. This is gonna be fun!
craig tell you what the tempered boo color would be?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on January 11, 2011, 06:47:00 PM
originally posted by Rob:
craig tell you what the tempered boo color would be?

Craig told me he buys the bamboo already carmelized; Would it be different shades from the same supplier?

Darren
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Post by: Cookus on January 11, 2011, 06:55:00 PM
Head up Mudd!   Things will work out.   You're old enough to do what's right... Read Matthew 6:34 Brother!   That Robin Hood will be in Sherwood Forest, Missouri in no time!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 11, 2011, 06:58:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by tradlongbow:
originally posted by Rob:
craig tell you what the tempered boo color would be?

Craig told me he buys the bamboo already carmelized; Would it be different shades from the same supplier?

Darren
"carmalizing" means heat tempering.  when i heat temper bamboo with a propane torch, it will turn from light tan/green to amber to orange to chocolate, depending on how long the flame lingers.  the heat will make the bamboo resin rise to the surface and form a 'varnish' coat that changes the molecular structure of the bamboo - makes it incredibly hard, tough and durable.

i spoke with jason about my ordered big 5's tempered boo limbs, they'll be an amber color under clear glass - the edges will also be ambered.
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Post by: Mudd on January 11, 2011, 07:01:00 PM
No worries Cookus!

I know to take every thought captive.

Thanks for the reminder!

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: pauljr on January 11, 2011, 07:06:00 PM
I have a 60lb big five a old friend gifted me with but i just cannot shoot the dang thing. I envy those of you who can.
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Post by: pavan on January 11, 2011, 07:14:00 PM
Mudd - If you need a little help and those checks don't show up soon enough let me know.  Would hate to see that bow get away from you at this stage.
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Post by: Blueridge on January 11, 2011, 07:19:00 PM
Rob, no he did not. Glad you brought that up. I would like it to be a honey/ amber color and assumed that's what it would be, clear glass of course. Jason an I had talked about this a week or so ago. Will give him another call. Thanks
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 11, 2011, 07:22:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Blueridge:
Rob, no he did not. Glad you brought that up. I would like it to be a honey/ amber color and assumed that's what it would be, clear glass of course. Jason an I had talked about this a week or so ago. Will give him another call. Thanks
tell jason you want the same as me - amber faces and edges!  dark amber is best on 'boo!  hope that's what we both get .....
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Post by: Blueridge on January 11, 2011, 07:35:00 PM
Rob, no he did not. Glad you brought that up. I would like it to be a honey/ amber color and assumed that's what it would be, clear glass of course. Jason an I had talked about this a week or so ago. Will give him another call. Thanks
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Post by: Rick Butler on January 11, 2011, 07:35:00 PM
Dang it!  I was hopin' that maybe by some chance, or twist of fate Craig might show up at Kzoo, but the way you guys are ordering bows he's not gonna get out of his shop til next fall.   :archer:
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Post by: Blueridge on January 11, 2011, 07:42:00 PM
Rob , sounds about right. Thanks you're a big help
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Post by: Steve Clandinin on January 11, 2011, 07:49:00 PM
Tw,thanks for the heads up.Just can't make up the mind ,an age thing.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 11, 2011, 07:49:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Blueridge:
Rob , sounds about right. Thanks you're a big help
lemme know what the ekin fellers tell ya .... thanx.
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Post by: Blueridge on January 11, 2011, 08:16:00 PM
Rob , sounds about right. Thanks you're a big help
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Post by: tradlongbow on January 11, 2011, 08:21:00 PM
I spoke to Jason last week, he told me since, I posted the pics of my bow, he's been getting a lot of calls about the caremlized bamboo. And I just got off the phone with Craig, he told me that the orders are coming in as well for the Carmelized Bamboo Hills.

This year is going to be good for Ekins, with the Robin Hood bow and guys wanting new bows with the carmelized limbs.

Darren
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Post by: Blueridge on January 11, 2011, 08:24:00 PM
Not sure why my posts are double???
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Post by: Ben Maher on January 11, 2011, 08:29:00 PM
I have gone on a different tangent and ordered a Hill I have not had before ... and believe me I have had or have orederd for customers just about every wood combo going ...

Be interesting to see how this one pans out !
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 11, 2011, 08:34:00 PM
darren's big 5 w/caramelized boo ...

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/darren1.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/darren2.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/darren3.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/darren4.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/darren5.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 11, 2011, 08:39:00 PM
Drool!

That's another awesome looking Hill you've posted there Rob.

God bless,Mudd

PS: Thank you Pavan for your offer of help and thank you also Rob!

My "Robin Hood" isn't at any risk of being lost though. I am way ahead of my payment schedule with Craig, it's just me that was whining...lol
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 11, 2011, 08:43:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ben Maher:
I have gone on a different tangent and ordered a Hill I have not had before ... and believe me I have had or have orederd for customers just about every wood combo going ...

Be interesting to see how this one pans out !
spit it out man!  what did you order?????
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Post by: Wannabe1 on January 11, 2011, 08:44:00 PM
I wanted a Tembo as I haven't had one yet. Plus, it will be one to stay as I'm dedicating it to my son when he gets old enough to shoot it. All he talks about is shooting bows with his Papa!   :D

Can't say more or I'll be giving away the excitement of getting it.   :)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Cookus on January 11, 2011, 08:48:00 PM
Is anyone adding inlays to their new bows?   Craig does some super work!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Blueridge on January 11, 2011, 08:54:00 PM
Darren that's a great looking bow, what is the riser wood ? CocoBolo? That's what I got on my Wesley and ordered dark Shedua on my B5.
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Post by: Kevin L. on January 11, 2011, 09:09:00 PM
Man, you guys are re-infecting me with the bug    :banghead:

I want a new one, but my best friend and I are trying to get the $$$ together to open a fly shop, so it'll have to wait. I decided if we get it up and running, I'll celebrate the 1 year mark with a new bow.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on January 11, 2011, 09:19:00 PM
Mine's nearly ready for the glue-up!

  :goldtooth:
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Post by: frank bullitt on January 11, 2011, 09:36:00 PM
Oh my Lord, did I read right, pg. 5, Rob has ordered a new Big 5?...Sweet!  :thumbsup:  

This post reminds me of the commercial of the boys, bragging about their broken bones and injuries!  :laughing:  

A toast to all, who Keep Howard's Spirit and Love of this Sport Alive!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 11, 2011, 09:44:00 PM
Frank, I am now 99% a Howard Hill only fan. I do have one recurve from Maddog Archery that I can't let go as it is #1 of his new 60" recurve model.

Went through an enormous amount of different bows just to find that I love and shoot Hills the best. Nothing like a good ole American Classic to sooth the savage beast!    :archer:  

'Course this is only one mans opinion.    :D
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Post by: SpankyNeal on January 11, 2011, 10:08:00 PM
Let's see, Ben probably has either a "Cougar" or a "Ruffed Grouse" coming....what say ye Mate?
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Post by: David Mitchell on January 11, 2011, 10:09:00 PM
Nah, it's two men's opinion at least.  :jumper:
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Post by: Mudd on January 11, 2011, 10:15:00 PM
I am thinking that I might have to get myself a Half breed later in the year.

Inner lams of bamboo and outer lams of yew under black glass with some nice dark riser wood. 68" and around 48-50@28.

I'm sure dreaming is ok!!..lol

God bless,Mudd

PS: Hi My name is Mudd and I'm a "Hillbowahaolic"!!
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Post by: Wannabe1 on January 11, 2011, 10:19:00 PM
Roy, you would cover the beauty of Yew with black glass?!   :eek:
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Post by: tradlongbow on January 11, 2011, 10:38:00 PM
Blueridge-

Yes, That's Cocobola. It looks great under the high gloss finish.

Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Blueridge on January 11, 2011, 10:39:00 PM
Rob just heard from Craig. "dark amber/honey colored, very nice looking!".  Leaving for Tanzania in a week should be ready when I get back.
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Post by: Mudd on January 11, 2011, 10:41:00 PM
Yeah, I think you're right TW.

That would be just... well.. wrong huh?...lol

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: Ben Maher on January 11, 2011, 11:02:00 PM
Spanky... I have had the Ruffed Grouse and Cougar ...

Rob ... You'll really like it

Its got blue glass and foam core ...... heheheh

I ain't telling ya nuthin !

But there is an insect in my office ... its buzzin around ... is it a bee ? No .. i think it may be a W#%^&
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Post by: SpankyNeal on January 11, 2011, 11:05:00 PM
I don't think I have ever even seen a pic of a Wasp there Ben! Make sure you post a few when she gets down under! Conrats!

Spanky
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Post by: Ben Maher on January 11, 2011, 11:18:00 PM
Neither have I Ken thats why i jumped in the deep end and went for something new . If i brought another Redman , Halfbreed or Wesley home my girl would leave me ...
 hang on a minute , if thats the case ...
where did I put Craig's number ... a new Redman t/d would be nice .....
   :D
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Post by: Wannabe1 on January 11, 2011, 11:27:00 PM
Ben, I too would like to see the Wasp. Have yet to see one of those.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 11, 2011, 11:30:00 PM
This bug is real bad.And i thought i had a problem.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 12, 2011, 05:56:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Ben Maher:
... Its got blue glass and foam core ...... heheheh ...
 
:scared:    :scared:    :scared:    :scared:    :scared:    :scared:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on January 12, 2011, 10:25:00 AM
Mudd, black glass over yew limbs!  :scared:  Might as well spray paint the Mona Lisa!  "[dntthnk]"
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Post by: SpankyNeal on January 12, 2011, 10:59:00 AM
Don't be too hard on our ol buddy Mudd there David. Some of the old masters built some mighty fine yew bows with colored glass - it's faster than clear you know, and I think it looks cool!     :thumbsup:    

    (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/ShultzFavorite1.jpg)
    (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/ShultzFavorite3.jpg)
    (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/ShultzFavorite4.jpg)
    (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/ShultzFavorite.jpg)

Like my Mate Ben, i've got a secret surprise coming too but I ain't tellin nothin!     :thumbsup:  
Spanky     :archer:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on January 12, 2011, 12:06:00 PM
Classy looker there Spanky!  :thumbsup:  I like it.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on January 12, 2011, 01:08:00 PM
Spanky-

I like that brown glass. Is the riser Myrtle?

Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 12, 2011, 03:08:00 PM
Lads , my Miller Ol' Tom is brown glass over Yew limbs and looks fantatstic , much like Spanky's bow up top.

I like coloured glass .

Mudd...it would look sweeet !!!!!!!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 12, 2011, 03:18:00 PM
hey ben, what's the spex on yer ol' tom?  

and is it a string follow?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 12, 2011, 03:20:00 PM
"Show-Me!" Ben....lol  

I am from Missouri you know...lol

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: pavan on January 12, 2011, 03:34:00 PM
Spanky, how many of those Schulz jobs would you own right now if they were still being made?  I have two and that Pete George yew/brown glass, I am curious to compare it to my son's Timberline yew/clear glass.  I have a hard time convincing people how hard those old bows shoot.
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Post by: Wannabe1 on January 12, 2011, 03:36:00 PM
I have to concede that Spanky's bow looks pretty sharp. I meant no disrespect toward Roy or anyones personal choice. I myself would not cover Yew as I like to see the color change as it ages but, again, Spanky's bow looks very nice!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 12, 2011, 03:42:00 PM
TW don't worry about anything you said to me.

It's all good!!

I can take a good ribbing any time and even someone questioning my judgment.

Shoot there are lots of times I question it myself...lol

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 12, 2011, 03:51:00 PM
Thanks Mudd, I appreciate that!

Spanky, who built that bow? I did a search for American Longbow but, came up with nothing that resembled the one you have above.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: pavan on January 12, 2011, 04:16:00 PM
With half breeds and colored glass, i think they look nice with the yew in the middle and the bamboo on the outside.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 12, 2011, 05:22:00 PM
Allright lads here she is ...
 (http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp200/benmaher3006/PICT0133.jpg)

Rob, she is 66" 53# @ 27 " and string follow . Perhaps the sweetest bow in my stable . Now I love clear glass over pretty woods as much as the next guy but grew up with black and brown glass on my bows ... they just look deadly in my opinion . The Myrtle Dave uses is the best I have seen .
As for clear glass on my 'curves ... no way !

 (http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp200/benmaher3006/PICT0136.jpg)

 (http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp200/benmaher3006/PICT0129.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 12, 2011, 05:33:00 PM
oooooooo.  so that's what i have to look forward to in about 3-4 months.  cool beans.  man, that myrtle is stunning - what we luthiers call 'quilt flame', real purty.

you switched from boo to yew for the cores?

how's the string follow feel on release and shoot for ya?

bottom line - congrats ben!    :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:    :clapper:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: RC on January 12, 2011, 06:10:00 PM
You guys got it bad....Glad I`m reformed and hav`nt even looked at the hill pics ya`ll posted......RC
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on January 12, 2011, 06:31:00 PM
Ben-

How's that book from Dave Miller?

Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 12, 2011, 06:48:00 PM
Its a good 'booklet' much the same as John Schulz "Hitting them like Howard Hill "
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 12, 2011, 07:35:00 PM
Pavan, if I had the money I would own every model that John built...AND Pete George!! These old bows are some hard hitters and shoot really well.

That is a John Shultz bow called "The Favorite". Yew limb cores, brown glass, Myrtle riser with a string follow profile...a really sweet shooter! American Longbow Company was the name of his business and one of his sons Steve is trying to bring it back.

Thanks for the complements on the Shultz bow guys, but she belongs to another great guy now! That and the Pete George I had were the bows I had to sell last year to fund my sons adoption. I miss them dearly, but they couldn't have been sacrificed for a greater cause!

I have some really, really cool stuff coming this year so stay tuned!   :goldtooth:  

Spanky
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Post by: Ray_G on January 12, 2011, 10:56:00 PM
Spanky,

I got to handle one of them (roughed out) last Saturday.  A blessed man you are! Family and bows.

Ray
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on January 12, 2011, 11:13:00 PM
Sweet looking bow you got there Ben!!!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 12, 2011, 11:16:00 PM
Thank you Ben!! That's a slick looking bow.

God bless,Mudd

PS: I guess I need to get some pictures of my Osage Royale by Chuck Jones. It's another sweet shooting Hill style bow.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 12, 2011, 11:31:00 PM
Thanks Ray! I would have to say your pretty lucky yourself as you get to see and handle those works of art before I do! You'll have to get Nate to fill you in on what we've come up with now...you ain't seen nothin yet Bud!   :goldtooth:  

Spanky
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 13, 2011, 12:37:00 AM
Pics Mudd ! We need Pics !
Always wanted to see one of those back fromback when he advertsied in the old days of TBM .

Spanky, c'mon mate give us a hint !
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 13, 2011, 01:07:00 AM
Can't do it Ben     :goldtooth:    Yes Mudd, we must have pics!

Spanky
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Michigan Mark on January 13, 2011, 01:20:00 AM
Bug nothin its an outbreak.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on January 13, 2011, 08:11:00 AM
Horrible epidemic   :eek:  .  And here I was happy with the rack full of Hills and Northern Mist and Fred Anderson bows I possess (or that possess me).  Now you guys go and talk about Nate's bows and show these Hills like I don't have (yet).  Have you no shame???    :nono:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 13, 2011, 08:24:00 AM
I hope you enjoy seeing this simple beauty.

My Osage Royale by Chuck Jones 66" 52@28.

 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01051.jpg)
 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01052.jpg)
 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01053.jpg)
 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01054.jpg)
 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01055.jpg)
 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01056.jpg)

Thanks for looking.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 13, 2011, 08:25:00 AM
there are SO many good american flat longbow bowyers out there in longbow-land.  way cool!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 13, 2011, 10:13:00 AM
That is a cool looking bow Mudd! Imagine what it's gonna look like after it ages a bit!

Congrats,
Spanky
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 13, 2011, 10:26:00 AM
Hey David, let me go ahead and send ya over the edge Bud!  :D  

 (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/brochure_pics_034.jpg)
 (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/sunsethill42010.jpg)
 (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/sunsethill22010.jpg)
 (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/brochure_4.jpg)
 (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/brochure_3.jpg)

I just ain't right!   :archer:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 13, 2011, 10:34:00 AM
Spankyneal i think i could help you and take some of those leftys off your hands.  :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on January 13, 2011, 10:35:00 AM
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaagh!  Now that just can't be right to do a guy like that.  I even see a lefty Nate Steen bow there--o, the torment!  :banghead:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Jack Denbow on January 13, 2011, 12:45:00 PM
Dern you guys, you all ain't right. I am trying to resist till Denton Hill to fondle and shoot some Hill's before ordering but you all are making it tough to wait. I already have a list started of bows to order. Help.
Jack
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 13, 2011, 12:52:00 PM
This is like being a kid in a candy store! You guys are killing me with these beauties. Love all the pics as they provide great wood combo ideas for future bows!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: blueslfb on January 13, 2011, 01:51:00 PM
no no no - no talk of buying, selling, trading - that's strictly for the classifieds.    :readit:    :campfire:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Nate Steen . on January 13, 2011, 02:03:00 PM
You guys are killin' me....this thread has been fun to watch!    :biglaugh:  

Spanky, if you leak one word, no more rep. status for you!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 13, 2011, 02:05:00 PM
blueslfb That is just sad.

I am sorry that your plan didn't work out for you.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 13, 2011, 02:18:00 PM
Ooooh snap!    :readit:   :notworthy:    :notworthy:    :notworthy:    :notworthy:  

Don't worry guys the first one that Ray fondled will be here shortly with pics to follow as always! This is the best Hill thread we've had in a long time - I love it!

Spanky
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 13, 2011, 02:25:00 PM
Oooops!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: pavan on January 13, 2011, 04:17:00 PM
There is a town near here that had a choice, a university or the state insane asylum, they chose the insane asylum.  When anyone would exhibit traits of OCD everyone would say "they should take you to Cherokee".  Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, OCD, is an anxiety disorder and is characterized by recurrent, unwanted thoughts (obsessions) and/or repetitive behaviors.  
  Apparently, it is addictive.  I almost, almost put in an order for every Hill model available at one time.  Something for the kids to fight over after my wife kills me.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 13, 2011, 04:39:00 PM
Sorry Rob!

I wasn't thinking... just responded with a knee jerk reaction.

I'll watch it closer from now on.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 13, 2011, 05:15:00 PM
nah, no problem at all, roy.   :wavey:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Oliverstacy on January 13, 2011, 06:34:00 PM
Can you still get the grey glass?  That is cool!

Josh
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 13, 2011, 06:56:00 PM
Yes the gray glass is still available! I think it would look really cool on the back with a white belly!

Spanky
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kelly on January 13, 2011, 08:15:00 PM
Was talking to Nate the other day and he told me........!  :)  Guess, I can't say either or he'll take away my "friend" status.

Just think you'll all be "impressed"!  :)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Overspined on January 14, 2011, 12:44:00 AM
I have tried to get a variety. They are so stable and fun to shoot. They just fit me!

1) wesley w/ extra veneer of bacote on back for camo...its a real shooter
2)T/D cheetah matched to the wesley...same arrows for elk! or backpack trips with an elk inlay and extra cocobolo center lam w/ cocobolo riser
3)Redman...all yew..new in November w/ elk tips and black riser! Love it.
4)Redman for the wife
5)An excellent Northern Mist Classic 68". I LOVE this bow too!!! Unbelievably quiet and fast...hard to beat light stained curly maple veneers. If you love HH bows, try one.
6)hill style Black Rhino for the little one
7)Red Bear longbow for the little bigger one
8)XXX Got caught up in a big lay-off at work...so when I get rehired somewhere we will see!

Yup, I am infected. Why do I check the classifieds????
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on January 14, 2011, 01:54:00 AM
I wonder if Ben dropped the string inside in that photo?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 14, 2011, 04:35:00 AM
Mate, are you suggesting that my target panic , whilst at full draw inside the house , might bet the better of me ? ...
No, better not answer that...   :saywhat:
Any word on your delivery date for the new addition?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on January 14, 2011, 04:46:00 AM
Just yesterday, I missed a shrub elephant at thirty metres, and then found myself having to try really hard not to drop the string as I drew and held on various spots out on the oval.

Craig told me it was nearly ready for glue-up a few days ago.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 14, 2011, 04:57:00 AM
Holding and not dropping the string is an ongoing battle for me ...
it's my great white whale ...
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 14, 2011, 10:35:00 AM
a big5 craig built for me a few years back ...

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/hhb52.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Blueridge on January 14, 2011, 10:38:00 AM
Nice Rob, what is the riser wood ? I changed mine at the last minute to Padauk.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 14, 2011, 10:42:00 AM
that was cocobolo.  

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/hhb51.jpg)

the new big5 is paduak, just for something different.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 14, 2011, 10:59:00 AM
Very nice.Im glad the wait isnt that long i might go crazy.Rob is that locator grip comfortable?I have locator grips on my MOAB and thier great i just wasnt sure because thier is lots more wood in the handle.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 14, 2011, 11:11:00 AM
wouldn't have a hill-style without a locator.  i have a moab.  there is a big difference 'tween that handle shape and a hill w/locator.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 14, 2011, 11:20:00 AM
I haven't shot the locator grip but, I do like the dished over the straight. My "Owl" is straight and my "Redman" is dished. The new "Tembo" will have a dished grip also. Hopefully it will be here today!   :pray:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: magnus on January 14, 2011, 11:22:00 AM
I'm so bitten by the HH but unfortunately I can't scratch it. I want one soooo bad! Thanks for sharing all the great pics!

Keeping the Faith!
Magnus
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 14, 2011, 11:23:00 AM
Wannabe1 are you going to be ok or is it time to play sick and wait for the USPS man.   ;)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 14, 2011, 11:31:00 AM
I am playing sick waiting for the USPS man!   :laughing:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 14, 2011, 11:37:00 AM
more hill-style eye candy ...

my used-to-be ol' big5
 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/b5braced.jpg)

st. charles pac yew t/d and busted bunny during a texas hunt (yep, them was woodies i was huntin' with, and ace broadheads) ... i loved that pac yew but at 64" it was too durn short, i need a good 68" hill-style longbow ...
 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/py4.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/py3.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/py6.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/mm2006-rob-bunny.jpg)

a nice hill wesley that came and went ...
 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/wes2.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/wes3.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 14, 2011, 11:40:00 AM
Rob, you don't know how bad I wanted that Wesley! I just didn't have the funds at the time. I wish Jay would make that Pac Yew in 68-70". I'd place an order in a heart beat.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 14, 2011, 11:45:00 AM
Definitely eye candy.And i hope you are going to be all right Wannabe1.I will be looking for pictures when i get home from work tonight lets have some action photos  :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: magnus on January 14, 2011, 11:45:00 AM
Rob what did you not like about the 64"? I tend to favor shorter bows. 50-52" on my curves. Love my 68" R/D long bow too. Just prefer shorter.

Keeping the Faith!
Magnus
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 14, 2011, 11:49:00 AM
I don't know about Rob but, I found mine to be not as stable when shooting like a 68" on up bow. It shot pretty good but, I couldn't get consistent with it so, I let it go.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 14, 2011, 11:49:00 AM
the pac-yew longbow is currently only available in one length - 64".  even though it's got some backset/reflex in the limbs, it's not good for my 29+" draw length.  might get away with 28", but would be perfect for 27".  it is an amazing longbow in both draw and release.  i'm just emailed jay to see if he'd build me a t/d classic at 68".  i ain't holding my breath, though.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 14, 2011, 11:51:00 AM
i'm with tw - for hill type longbows, the design predicates the absolute need for a longer overall bow length, to better work with such a short riser and long limbs.  far more so if there's no backset, and they're straight, or worse yet with bellyset (string follow).
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 14, 2011, 11:51:00 AM
I too pull 29". Rob, let me know what Jay says. Maybe enough of us long draws can get him to build a new form.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 14, 2011, 11:52:00 AM
i'll report back here on this thread ....
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 14, 2011, 12:48:00 PM
I just received these teasers from Craig.

The real hard truth is that I brow beat him into getting these to me..lol Sorry Craig!

 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/bows003.jpg)
 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/bows002.jpg)
 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/bows001.jpg)

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 14, 2011, 12:55:00 PM
That's a real beauty Roy. I'm looking forward to your shooting report. Congratulations!   :thumbsup:    :clapper:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 14, 2011, 01:23:00 PM
Lookin good Roy! That Texas Ebony looks real nice with the Yew!   :thumbsup:  I bet your really chompin at the bit now huh!

Congrats,

Spanky
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 14, 2011, 02:35:00 PM
Roy, it looks okay I suppose ... i know that when mine gets here in a few weeks it will look better though...because it'll be left handed!

Only kiddin'... they look fantastic. I can't wait for mine . For a kid who went to sleep every nite with Images of Errol Flynn loosing Grey goose justice running through his head , and daydreamed of Sherwood adventures it'll be just the ticket methinks.
Thanks for posting the pics Mudd.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 14, 2011, 04:25:00 PM
If you haven't seen my new bow yet, follow the link below.   :thumbsup:

 http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=098932
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: magnus on January 14, 2011, 04:32:00 PM
Mudd that's a beauty. I think I like the Royal better though. Then again what do I know.

Keeping the Faith!
Magnus
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 14, 2011, 07:03:00 PM
There will be more pictures posted once I get it here to "Sherwood" in L.A., MO...lol

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Steve Clandinin on January 14, 2011, 07:34:00 PM
Mudd,That is one nice looking bow !This will definately go with your green outfit!LOL, Roy what are the stats on your new bow?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on January 14, 2011, 07:52:00 PM
Nice bow Mudd! You guys have gotten me in big trouble. I have a HH coming and a Mohawk coming to test drive. I sure hope I don't like them both!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 14, 2011, 08:24:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by leatherneck:
Nice bow Mudd! You guys have gotten me in big trouble. I have a HH coming and a Mohawk coming to test drive. I sure hope I don't like them both!
two very different longbows - don't compare them, love them each for what they are, as the superb individuals they be.  

GET THEM BOTH!  

read that again!     :readit:        :campfire:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 14, 2011, 08:37:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
 
Quote
Originally posted by leatherneck:
Nice bow Mudd! You guys have gotten me in big trouble. I have a HH coming and a Mohawk coming to test drive. I sure hope I don't like them both!
two very different longbows - don't compare them, love them each for what they are, as the superb individuals they be.  

GET THEM BOTH!  

read that again!      :readit:          :campfire:  [/b]
Thanks for the kind words. Now pay heed to what Rob says....lol He's right on the money with his assessment.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 14, 2011, 08:42:00 PM
Rob/Roy are both correctomundo! I had a 68" Mohawk that I got on a trade from Papa Bear(Larry) and I regret to this day ever letting that thing slip from my hands. It was one smooth shooting longbow!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rooselk on January 14, 2011, 09:49:00 PM
I really love the pics of the HH bows you guys have been posting. But I especially appreciate finally seeing a pic of a Hill bow with a myrtle riser. I'm going to be ordering a Hill bow soon and have considered having it made with woods native to the Pacific Northwest where I live. I thought of myrtle for the riser but wasn't sure how it would look with yew limbs.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: RC on January 14, 2011, 10:55:00 PM
Ya`ll did it!!!I`m working out a trade for one now.I`ll have a "Hawk" and "Hill" in the house...Life is good.Thank You Lord.RC
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 14, 2011, 10:59:00 PM
:biglaugh:    :biglaugh:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 14, 2011, 11:07:00 PM
Wow, now there's a big surprise RC...like we didn't know that was gonna happen!   :goldtooth:  
Hope it's a good one for ya!

Spanky
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on January 14, 2011, 11:15:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
 
Quote
Originally posted by leatherneck:
Nice bow Mudd! You guys have gotten me in big trouble. I have a HH coming and a Mohawk coming to test drive. I sure hope I don't like them both!
two very different longbows - don't compare them, love them each for what they are, as the superb individuals they be.  

GET THEM BOTH!  

read that again!       :readit:            :campfire:   [/b]
No,No. Our chat Rob didn't fall on deaf ears. I understand they are completely different. I wanted to try them both and Vince was more than willing to ship me one out. I'm gonna have a fun week next week. Maybe an expensive one to boot.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on January 15, 2011, 12:00:00 AM
I agree, everyone that like longbows should have a hill and a mohawk. Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on January 15, 2011, 12:48:00 PM
OK, I just gotta ask this question--I own five Hill bows--four made by Craig and one by John Schulz.  The Schulz made bow is right on the weight marked, the other four are all 4# heavier than marked weight on my scale and others I have checked them on.  All my other bows (about 14) all weigh essentially as marked on my scale.  A buddy got a new Hill 3 weeks ago and it was the same way when he checked it on his scale--right about 4# heavier than marked.  What gives?  Anyone else found this to be the case?  It has not created a problem for me but could for some people if they are ordering right at their max shooting weight.  I love all my Hills and would order again (and am sorely tempted because of this thread    :D   but I would seriously consider ordering 4# lighter than what I was shooting for I think.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 15, 2011, 12:59:00 PM
it's all a question about the scales used and how carefully you take a weight reading on yer bow.

i use an easton digital scale.  it's extremely accurate.  is use the "clothes pin on the shaft" to check the draw length weight. the shaft is a 32" 5/16" woodie, marked at 26" to 31" in 1/2" increments, from the depth of the nock's throat.

when the clothes pin hits the riser i let down. the scaled weight is retained on the easton scale.  i do this three times, just to make sure.

imo, analog spring scales just aren't as accurate as digital scales.  ymmv.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on January 15, 2011, 01:07:00 PM
I realize that Rob, but my spring scale says my other bows are on target weight...my Hills are 4# above.  Why just the Hills?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 15, 2011, 01:58:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by David Mitchell:
I realize that Rob, but my spring scale says my other bows are on target weight...my Hills are 4# above.  Why just the Hills?
what i said - spring scales just aren't as accurate as digital scales.  easy to calibrate digital ... not gonna happen with analog.  if three bowyers each had analog spring scales, they might get three different readings on the same bow.  it happens far more than we think.  then there's the marketing fudge factor - the bow is marked 55# and shoots a fast arrow, but on a digital scale it reads 59# .... hmmmmmmmmm.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 15, 2011, 02:59:00 PM
I agree with Rob...it's probably just the difference between Craigs scale and others. However I will interject one more thought pertaining to bows in general. When bows are made from natural materials, and built to a formula, weight differences will occur due to variations in the material. Sometimes the weight can be brought in line while maintaining proper tiller, and sometimes not. That's why one bow can have 10lbs shaved off after it's built and the next can only have 2-3. At least that's how I see it.

Spanky
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 15, 2011, 03:05:00 PM
true, spanky, but if i ask for a 60# @ 29" bow, i better not get one tillered at 64# or 56#.  a good bowyer will be able to get within 2# of the target draw length weight, most at less than a pound.  more bowyers are starting to use really good digital scales like the easton (not cheap at around $140).  like i said, there is a bunch of fudging going on with draw/holding weights recorded on too many stick bows.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 15, 2011, 03:20:00 PM
Dave,
that is my experience with Craig's bow too .
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Orion on January 15, 2011, 03:55:00 PM
My experience as well, Dave.  Have owned several Hills over the years.  Most have been 2-3# heavy.  One was right on.  This is on a spring scale on which almost all my other bows, (more than 50 over the years) have come out at weight. Of course, some of those were off a tad, too.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on January 15, 2011, 04:45:00 PM
I'm in BIG trouble guys. I just got a Halfbreed in the mail for a test drive. Now mind you Jason sent this bow out on Thur. and I got it already. Thats fast. Anyhow, it's time to pick out some woods.    :bigsmyl:    
Thanks for everyones help.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 15, 2011, 04:49:00 PM
Ooooh Yaaaah! You done gone and got bit! We'll be looking forward to pics of the new addition soon!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 15, 2011, 04:51:00 PM
Anyhow, it's time to pick out some woods

Well... I'd suggest yew , or perhaps maybe yew or if you are feeling adventurous what about yew ?

Seriously , then caramalised 'boo looks crazy good as does juniper, yew or Elm over bamboo cores . If you straight woods and no 'boo I'd recommend wither yew or elm .

Myself, I'm partial to yew ...   :goldtooth:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 15, 2011, 04:55:00 PM
i'm partial to nothing but 'boo.  maybe the caramalized flavor, too - gotta see how my b5 turns out.    :wavey:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 15, 2011, 04:59:00 PM
I gotta brag on my "Owl" because she shoots very nice. Osage is by far my favorite bow wood. Don't know why I just didn't go for the Crocodile when I ordered it.   :p
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 15, 2011, 05:25:00 PM
for woods, it's gotta be osage or yew for me, in that order.  

but man, the smoooothness of grass limbs is *SO* good!!!   :thumbsup:  

unless the cane or 'boo is stained, it's pretty plain jane looking.  but heat tempering ("caramelizing") really takes the grass coloring to a whole new level.  

i know that first hand from flaming raw bamboo tubes.  it can go from near very light tan or just cut green, to amber or orange or dark chocolate, and at the same time the properties are changed into a completely different substance that's incredibly durable and *stiff*.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on January 15, 2011, 05:27:00 PM
My favourite is yew (my second, better-fitting, Redman is in the works), followed by normal yellow bamboo, and someday perhaps an osage Crocodile will make its way here. Another fellow in town just got a Crocodile, so I am looking forward to seeing that. My preference is for clear glass, and for some reason, I prefer my Hills to be the ones made out of all the same timber in the limbs, rather than mixtures.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 15, 2011, 05:36:00 PM
Ben said
 I prefer my Hills to be the ones made out of all the same timber in the limbs, rather than mixtures.

Great minds think alike ! Me too!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on January 15, 2011, 05:37:00 PM
OK, Ben amd Orion, didn't think I would be only one who experienced this little discrepancy.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 15, 2011, 05:40:00 PM
I too am partial to yew!

I can say it hasn't always been that way though.

There was a time when it was all "grass" but in my opinion yew is.... well it's yew!

God bless,Mudd   :archer:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on January 15, 2011, 05:46:00 PM
My mate Tony, who now owns my previous Redman, weighed that bow and found it to be spot-on. He also weighed other bows to make sure of the readings. They all seemed good.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 15, 2011, 05:54:00 PM
it would be great if there was an easy way to standardize weight scale calibration.  until then, YMMV!   ;)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rooselk on January 15, 2011, 05:55:00 PM
Yew for me as well. I already have a Blacktail recurve and a Blacktail longbow with yew limbs and I see no reason to be switching woods when I order my Hill.

That said, I'm finding it a little troubling to read here that if I order a 54# @ 27" Hill bow I might actually receive a 58# @ 27" bow. Sorry, but that just won't cut it.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 15, 2011, 06:01:00 PM
Rooselk,
it is my experience that the bows will come in at weight or heavier , never lighter. I have had many Hills that came in bang on as requested poundage wise.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on January 15, 2011, 06:13:00 PM
So far this is what I want. 66" 54@27 Wesley Special.
Limbs- I'm leaning toward caramelized boo limbs(I too prefer the amber color).
Riser-locator grip with ??? Not sure of the handle wood. What do you all think Texas Ebony will look like with the amber limbs? Suggestions ?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 15, 2011, 06:17:00 PM
Hey Mike, if ya go caramelized then anything with brown, black or red would be my choice (Cocobolo, TX Ebony, Ebony, Macassar, Bocote, etc.) If ya go with the amber then Osage...yeah baby!!   :thumbsup:  

Spanky
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 15, 2011, 06:22:00 PM
the big 5 i just ordered has caramelized 'boo under clear glass and paduak riser and tip overlays, laced black grip.

paduak
  (http://www.howardhillarchery.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/bcf91fb5f82e6509a16dea865d26e4c4.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Raging Water on January 15, 2011, 07:15:00 PM
Hey Gang,

The bug got me, BIG! I couldn't resist ordering a 68" 55# at 28" Dual Shelf Robin Hood Bow.
Note the Serial number of #50 of 50.

(That does not mean Craig has sold out, I just asked if I could have the last one in the series. He said, Yes!)

I have always wanted a Dual Shelf Bow. My friend, Leo Markert, has told me I need to develop the left side as well as the right side.

So, here she is!

  (http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/hemdell/A%20Dual%20Shelf%20Robin%20Hood/IMG00427-20110115-1227.jpg)   (http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/hemdell/A%20Dual%20Shelf%20Robin%20Hood/IMG00422-20110115-1222.jpg)   (http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/hemdell/A%20Dual%20Shelf%20Robin%20Hood/IMG00423-20110115-1223.jpg)   (http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/hemdell/A%20Dual%20Shelf%20Robin%20Hood/IMG00424-20110115-1224.jpg)   (http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/hemdell/A%20Dual%20Shelf%20Robin%20Hood/IMG00426-20110115-1226.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 15, 2011, 07:19:00 PM
gorgeous!  congrats!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 15, 2011, 07:24:00 PM
Aw! Matt!! You just had to post this one huh?

You dawg!!!!

Not really, congratulations buddy!!

Now tell me how she feels... nothing dirty... just talk to me man!!

I wish you lived a lot closer.

God bless,Mudd

PS: I think we will need some action shots from both sides.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Cookus on January 15, 2011, 07:25:00 PM
That's a beautiful bow Raging Water!   Have you ever shot "lefty" before?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: droz il on January 15, 2011, 07:31:00 PM
Nice, I like the dual shelf. The wait is over for me. My itch has been scratched also.  Robin Hood #11, LH 68" 45@28 showed up today.
Dale
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rooselk on January 15, 2011, 08:17:00 PM
Now THAT is one absolutely gorgeous bow! Congrats.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 15, 2011, 08:38:00 PM
Very cool Matt. I like the dual shelf idea. Makes it more marketable if you decide to pass it along!   :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Raging Water on January 15, 2011, 09:28:00 PM
I bet Ole Robin Hood could shoot lefty and righty. That is what gave me the idea (Plus, Leo's encouragement).

Craig was willing to do it. Thanks, Craig Ekin! Great Fellow!

Plus, since it is #50 of 50 with a Dual Shelf, I thought that would be kind of unique, too.

I hope to get some action shots with my right handed arrows and my left handed arrows. Which end goes on first?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Raging Water on January 16, 2011, 07:41:00 PM
This thread went on forever. How come whenever I make a post the thread dies?

Matt
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 16, 2011, 07:48:00 PM
Aaaah, it ain't dead Matt. Just resting a spell!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 16, 2011, 07:49:00 PM
Matt you said you got the last one!!...lol

Number 50 of 50.

Watch you mail buddy.

God bless, Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 16, 2011, 07:52:00 PM
i predict - heck, i know! - this thread will be resurrected more than a few times as the bows start arriving into our sweaty little hands ....  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 16, 2011, 08:02:00 PM
This is my baby hanging 20 ft in the crisp 20 deg air this evening waiting for a doe they went around me. (http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj10/longbowben/DSC06793.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Steve Clandinin on January 16, 2011, 08:15:00 PM
Rob your right!,I thought I had it all together as to my likes and dislikes in bows ,now these Hill style bows are calling me with the allure,passions and intrigue like I've never felt,almost a primial feeling,hard to explain!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 16, 2011, 08:22:00 PM
Steve, "Hill style bows are calling me with the allure,passions and intrigue like I've never felt,almost a primial feeling,hard to explain!"

I have tried to explain it to some folks but never seemed to get it right.

I can tell you it's  just as much of how the bow makes me feel about myself when I have it in my hand and especially when I'm out in the woods as it is how the bow feels in my hand.

It sure doesn't hurt that they're just beautiful to behold.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 16, 2011, 08:45:00 PM
Well I guess I can add a little more heat to the fire. Here's my lite Sunset Hill.

 (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/QuietPlaces012.jpg)
 (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/QuietPlaces006.jpg)
 (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/QuietPlaces002.jpg)
 (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/QuietPlaces004.jpg)
 (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/QuietPlaces007.jpg)
 (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/QuietPlaces1.jpg)

Can you say caramalized Bamboo!!! What a sweet shooter it is too!

Spanky
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on January 16, 2011, 09:18:00 PM
Spanky,that sure is sweet!!!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Steve Clandinin on January 16, 2011, 09:24:00 PM
Spanky,don't ever bring that bow to Canada,you won't leave with it !LOL Simply beautiful.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 16, 2011, 09:35:00 PM
Hey Ken ..
that is a dandy ! what are the specs ? how do you mean lite ? ###  ?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 16, 2011, 09:49:00 PM
Ben this one is 67" and 47@27. I usually shoot around 55-58lbs so it's a little lighter than I'm used too, but man it draws smooth as silk!

Hey Steve, that would be a heck of a fight Bud!   :biglaugh:  

My new Natural should be here in a few more weeks so I'll have even more fuel to add to this fire...it's gonna be a beauty!!!

Thanks for the compliments guy's...glad you enjoyed the pics!

Spanky
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on January 16, 2011, 10:32:00 PM
Spanky- what riser wood is on that bow?

Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 16, 2011, 10:35:00 PM
Darren that is stained Myrtle.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 16, 2011, 11:20:00 PM
Here some strung profiles of the new Tembo.

 (http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/TradNut/101_0290.jpg)
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Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 16, 2011, 11:27:00 PM
Looks good TW!  :thumbsup:   I think for all around shootability, the Tembo is my favorite model from Craig.

Spanky
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 16, 2011, 11:33:00 PM
I kept hearing the same thing. Everyone that I've read that has owned one, has had nothing but good to say about this model. That's what prompted me to make it my next bow. It pulls very smoothly!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on January 17, 2011, 12:01:00 AM
TW-

I really like the gray glass, That's only the second Hill that I've seen with gray glass. Have you compared the Tembo to a Big Five? I was wondering if there was any differences. Does anyone know how many lams Dave Miller or Nate uses?
I might make my next Hill a stringfollow Tembo with a Myrtle riser.

Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 17, 2011, 12:07:00 AM
The first Hill bow I ever had was a Big5. It shot great and like an idiot, I let it go. Haven't shot the Tembo yet so, cannot compare. Been non stop rain for two days now. Maybe tomorrow.   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 17, 2011, 12:11:00 AM
Nate uses three lams of Bamboo, and so does David in the "Old Tom". Now if you want a heavyweight that might change!

Spanky
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Raging Water on January 17, 2011, 12:42:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Mudd:
Matt you said you got the last one!!...lol

Number 50 of 50.

God bless, Mudd
Roy,

Just to make it perfectly clear, there are still more Robin Hood bows that Craig can make. I just asked for the number 50 of 50.

So, if anyone has a "Lucky" number, and it hasn't been taken, Craig will get it for you.

I wonder? How many, of the 50, Craig has orders for? Anybody know?

Matt
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Steve Clandinin on January 17, 2011, 12:54:00 AM
Hey Fellas all these bows your so graciously showing is so well appreciated,I never realized there were so many options.Life sure is a learning pcocess.
Spanky,I'm to old to fight any more,heck I even try to stay out of heated arguments! LOL.Thru heavy manipulation,bartering and some sutle begging I might win!I know one thing if you ever made it to Canada we'd sure have some fun shootin!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 17, 2011, 06:51:00 AM
TEMBO!!! - definitely a bow in my future ...

68", r/h, 50#@28" but tillered and drawn to 29", sleeve t/d, string follow, caramelized boo, coco riser, coco tip overlays, shelf wood cut to 1/16", locator handle, black laced grip.  

did my 2010 tax return get here yet?  :D
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on January 17, 2011, 07:16:00 AM
Hang-on, Rob, I thought you were dubious about string-follow longbows?

My new Redman will be string-follow; I'm looking forward to finding-out what it's like first-hand.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 17, 2011, 07:25:00 AM
back in the 50's and 60's i had a gaggle of self and composite wood longbows, all with string follow.  they were good shooters out to around 15-20 yards and then they ran outta gas.  the feel in the draw and release was/is quite different than a backset or dead straight longbow, just a treat.  but performance-wise they were dogs, which ushered in my glass/wood era for longbows and recurves.  

i've only messed with a few string follow longbows since those dayze, last was a bamboo backed osage.  close, but still no cigar.  i've heard much differently about the craig's hills, and that the induced string follow ("belly set") is just enuf to make the draw and release sweet, but without sacrificing that much of the performance.  if that be true, bring 'em on!  the big 5 i just ordered has that belly set, i'll see ...
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on January 17, 2011, 07:32:00 AM
My shooting usually runs out of gas past fifteen or twenty yards!

Yep, it'll be fun to see what they're about, eh.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 17, 2011, 07:52:00 AM
I'm in the same boat as you Steve so I guess we would have to thumb wrestle for it....BUT IT WOULD STILL BE A HECK OF A FIGHT MAN....come on, work with me here Bud!    :biglaugh:      :biglaugh:      :biglaugh:  

I'd love to come to Canada someday and hunt some of the great species of game you guys have, and yes we would have great fun shooting our Hill bows....maybe someday!

The modern string follow Hill is the only way to fly IMHO! Can't speak for Craig's, but Nate's are the bomb!!!

Spanky
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Steve Clandinin on January 17, 2011, 08:04:00 AM
Hey Spanks sounds real good,I invited a couple of young fellas from Arkansas to hunt Elk with me last year .It blew there mind,Canada is one big Purty country.real curious about these string follows as thats what I learned on in 1960.I just love the simplicity and subtlness of these bows yet still capable of delivering a devastating blow,Kinda reminds me of my wife!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: 3Under on January 17, 2011, 08:10:00 AM
Hope you "guys" are happy - you've pulled me down with the rest of ya (or up!).

Got a Northern Mist Shelton coming,tempered bamboo(like peanut butter),green glass on belly 'n back, Maccassar(sp?)ebony riser/grip. 66",54 Lbs.@ 28", TD. Should get it by April 2nd or 3rd.

It'll be my 2nd Shelton! Love my first one-a one piece with clear glass Bocote risor 'n trim with same spec's.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 17, 2011, 08:14:00 AM
Green glass and Macassar...that will be a looker for sure!!! We will definately require pics when it arrives!

Congrats   :thumbsup:  

Oh yeah, sorry about bringing ya down with us, but that's what we Hillaholics do you know!   :biglaugh:  

WOW guy's check it out, we almost got 300 posts talking about slow, outdated, shocky bows that are too long to hunt with.....amazing!  :laughing:  

Spanky
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on January 17, 2011, 09:05:00 AM
Yeah, Spanky, the trouble is that those of us who already knew about what a hoot they are will be having to wait longer now to get 'em because of all the guys who have been infected with the desire here.  What have we done???  :confused:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 17, 2011, 09:08:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by David Mitchell:
... What have we done???   :confused:  
boosted howard hill archery's profits, for one thing.

i sure wish they'd have become trad gang sponsors ....
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on January 17, 2011, 09:09:00 AM
I think all you "old" Hill owners need to step aside and call Craig. Tell him that you wish to put all the 1st time buyers to the head of the list. Feel free to use my name!   :bigsmyl:  
I'll tell you all what,I'll just call him for ya and let him know. Thanks guys this is a real nice gesture!   :deadhorse:  
What? Did I say something wrong? I got alot of ugly cyber looks.   :nono:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ricker on January 17, 2011, 09:10:00 AM
Congrats 3under, you picked a great bow made by a real expert bowyer.  If you're new to Hill bows you may want to try to put a few in the hand before Steve shapes your grip.  Some fellas prefer to have the grip a tad rounded where the palm rests against the bow instead of the standard "sharper" feel.
If you can't find some to handle I can always mail you two of my bows so you can see the difference.  Let me know.

NOTE:
Ya'll are gonna let the cat out of the bag bigtime here....next thing you know  the wait time for a "string follow"(deflexed) Hill style bow will be a year or two or more......but I have an idea.    ;)    
We'll get all those bowyers to flip those undesireable "backset" forms upside down so they can be prepared for the next traditional supply and demand crisis.    :bigsmyl:    

Rick
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Blueridge on January 17, 2011, 09:41:00 AM
Craig is gluing up my Big 5 this week. Got my Wesley about a month ago and had to have another one. Sold 2 of my older Widows . Rob I think my Big 5 turned out to be like yours; string follow, Padauk riser, caramelized boo , 68" and 61-63# @28". didn't mean to copy it just turned out that way.
It is a lefty though .  I think number three will be a Redman
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on January 17, 2011, 10:10:00 AM
Number 3!!  :D  Gets a grip on you doesn't it???
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: 3Under on January 17, 2011, 10:45:00 AM
Chupa,
This will be my 2nd Shelton. My first one was the result of the 1st Trad/Prim Expo in Wheeling WV. I went to Denton Hill this past July and shot a bunch of Steve's bows. So I guess Steve Turay is also partially guity too along with David M (as in Michell).
I didn't expect preachers would be guilty of conributing to temptation of his brethern!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Blueridge on January 17, 2011, 10:47:00 AM
I just can't put that Wesley down! I shoot everyday since I got it. outside ,inside at night. Real interested in the string follow and how it will shoot. Craig does a fine job and I am impressed with his work. My plan is to trim down my dozen or so stickbows to 3 Hills and 3 Widows. That should be enough.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ricker on January 17, 2011, 10:49:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by 3Under:
So I guess Steve Turay is also partially guity too along with David M.
I didn't expect preachers would be guilty of conributing to temptation of his brethern!
That's funny...   :biglaugh:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Hatrick on January 17, 2011, 11:04:00 AM
I've been following this thread for a while now with great interest. Most of the talk as been Howard Hill, Nate Steen, and David Miller but like 3Under, I have a NM Shelton on the way with the same 66" 54#@28" specs. I had shot one at Baltimore back in the spring and loved it. Man that bow was fun to shoot.

Mine has been on order for a while now. I spoke to Steve just a couple of days ago and I expect to see it here pretty soon. Right now he's gearing up for Kalamazoo. Kingwood riser, black glass on the back, bamboo core, clear glass with English yew on the belly, antler tips, straight grip with beaver tail leather (I supplied the leather).

Working on some new sitka spruce woodies right now in anticipation of going back "old school" a bit.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Dick in Seattle on January 17, 2011, 11:27:00 AM
One of my plans is to use my reflexed form to build a forward riser pattern... voila!  Instant string follow!   I'm suddenly way behind so who knows when I'll get to that.  Maybe in the spring for my birthday.   Heck of a note when your delivery time for your own bows is longer than for the ones you order!

I took Bamboozle, my newest (extreme string follow and shoot off the hand) to a 3D Saturday.   Both of us had a great time.  I'm really pleased with this one.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on January 17, 2011, 12:24:00 PM
I guess you might say "Another one bites the dust". Just ordered my 1st Hill bow. No use revealing the rest cause I dont have pics to back it up. So you all will have to wait for a minute.
BTW- Anybody got a couch I can sleep on.  :deadhorse:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Dirty Bob on January 17, 2011, 12:35:00 PM
I Just joined trad gang,and ordering my first HH bow tmmrrw. Looking forward to being part of the gang.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 17, 2011, 12:43:00 PM
Looks like you better get the cabin fire going.And Rob our friend just bought your old Wesley Special bow that you sold in December.He also joined tradgang last night. His name is Dirty Bob .
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 17, 2011, 12:53:00 PM
:campfire:  


   God bless,Mudd       :archer:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ricker on January 17, 2011, 01:15:00 PM
Hi Dirty Bob   :wavey:  
In all your excitement ya forgot to tell us all the bow spec's you're ordering from Craig.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 17, 2011, 02:03:00 PM
Yes, do tell the little secret!   :D

Congratulations and welcome to the Howard Hill fan club!   :wavey:    :campfire:    :archer:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on January 17, 2011, 02:13:00 PM
Man, good thing I don't want to order a new Hill...I'd have to wait lots longer than I'm used to for it with all this ordering going on--not that there's anything wrong with that!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 17, 2011, 02:56:00 PM
I think with as much money as members of this site have thrown his way lately, Craig should become a Sponsor here! 'Course they've been in business long enough to not need to but, it sure would be nice.   :D
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 17, 2011, 03:44:00 PM
:archer:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: GregD on January 17, 2011, 07:26:00 PM
Have any of you guys seen carmalized bamboo when it did not work? It looks like irregular shaped bleached out spots on the limb. You may want to discuss with the bowyer what is going to happen if one limb comes out carmelized and the other looks bleached. Voice of experience talking.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Cookus on January 17, 2011, 07:27:00 PM
I called Howard Hill Archery about an hour ago to order some accessories...   There's approximately 28 of the Robin Hood Special Editions spoken for!   The fellow on the phone said they were very busy...
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Raging Water on January 17, 2011, 11:55:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
back in the 50's and 60's i had a gaggle of self and composite wood longbows, all with string follow.  they were good shooters out to around 15-20 yards and then they ran outta gas.  the feel in the draw and release was/is quite different than a backset or dead straight longbow, just a treat.  but performance-wise they were dogs

Rob, I edited some of your quote trying to pin down the key point about String Follow.

I was only able to shoot 6 arrows out of my new 68" 55# at 28 HH Robin Hood. I was impressed by the cast and speed at 15 yards. The weather here has dried up so I will go out Tuesday and see the cast from 20 yards.

Then, I will try it against an R/D bow. I will see about the cast and speed difference at 25 yards.  (no chrono, just getting a feel)

My first impression of my HH Robin Hood with String Follow was impressive. You and I agree that speed is not the ticket but, I have to admit, at first blush, my 55# Robin Hood was pretty fast.

More later.....
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 18, 2011, 06:14:00 AM
matt, i'm hopeful that both of our wood/glass composite string follow hills will not only have that good feel on draw and release, but also won't lose much cast at hunting distances.  

there could be, should be, some serious difference 'tween the all wood longbow string follow dogs of my youth and these fancy schmancy, high tech, space age, modern composite hill string follow longbows produced here in the 21st century.  :D

hope to hear about your testing today!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Steve Clandinin on January 18, 2011, 09:13:00 AM
Matt,I'm very curious about your testing.I learned to shoot with an old string follow longbow and still remember how pleasant it was.Your findings will probably be my decision.I would love to have a bow that was reminisant of the past,and like Rob said with some of todays performances.
Iam really leaning towards a HH Cheetah with Yew instead of Bamboo as cores ,66",around 56#,cocobola riser, clear glass and slight string follow,and seriouly thinking of a double shelf like Matts Robin Hood.I've got a bad fealing Craigs wait time has drastically increased !LOL Ah well.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on January 18, 2011, 09:32:00 AM
GregD, no worries there about the carmelizing of bamboo.  It is done before the bow is glued up with the raw 'boo and the bowyer will be careful to match the limbs to each other.  The fact is that bamboo is not going to have uniform color throughout the entire limb due to the nature of the grain in what is actually a grass rather than wood.  I have a Dave Wallace longbow that has stained bamboo which is gorgeous but the stain takes a bit differently in different places on the limb.  That is part of what makes the limb so pretty--it's not all one color but like many of the exotic woods used in bows there is variation......Dave
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ricker on January 18, 2011, 09:32:00 AM
Hey Leatherneck...I just noticed your reply that you ordered a Hill.  Congrats.  If ya did find a couch and are now rested up can you tell us the spec's?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 18, 2011, 09:46:00 AM
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Originally posted by David Mitchell:
GregD, no worries there about the carmelizing of bamboo.  It is done before the bow is glued up with the raw 'boo and the bowyer will be careful to match the limbs to each other.  The fact is that bamboo is not going to have uniform color throughout the entire limb due to the nature of the grain in what is actually a grass rather than wood.  I have a Dave Wallace longbow that has stained bamboo which is gorgeous but the stain takes a bit differently in different places on the limb.  That is part of what makes the limb so pretty--it's not all one color but like many of the exotic woods used in bows there is variation......Dave
i LOVE the looks of my mohawk's stained cane limbs, where the ground nodes are darkened and show nicely against the 'straw' colored 'boo ...

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/mag7.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/mag6.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Raging Water on January 18, 2011, 10:30:00 AM
Rob,

I love the "Dirty" Bamboo look myself. I had a Great Plains with real dirty boo limbs. It was cool looking.

Matt
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: John Nail on January 18, 2011, 10:41:00 AM
It's gratifying to see so many people who understand that longbows should be LONG. I've had several HH bows over the years, including a 70lb one that Howard made for my dad.
I am romancin' one of Greg Coffee's "American" LBs.
Man, that design is sweeet and 68"  :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 18, 2011, 11:22:00 AM
John lets see that hill that Howard built.  :D
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ricker on January 18, 2011, 11:59:00 AM
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Originally posted by longbowben:
John lets see that hill that Howard built.   :D  
Yes Yes please   x2     :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: GregD on January 18, 2011, 07:02:00 PM
David and Rob, I also would have assumed the bowyer would be careful to match the limbs and not use material that didn't take the carmelization. I am also not talking about variation in the color or visible nodes, I'm talking about irregular shaped areas that are a stark white as if the area had been bleached. The explanation I recieved was it's a natural material and anything can happen. I'm only bringing it up to you guys because if I had any idea that could happen I would have asked about it before the bow was built. Good Luck, Greg
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 18, 2011, 07:10:00 PM
most all bamboo can be "caramelized" - a fancy word for "heat tempering", which i've read is what howard did because it heats up the internal boo/cane resins and changes the molecular structure of the bamboo, making it stiffer, stronger, more durable and more resistant to breaking and taking a set.  

i've heat tempered green bamboo with a propane torch.  this is a fast way to "cure" it and make it lots stronger.  as the resin bubbles up and smokes, the outer boo skin changes color from light green to light tan. longer it's heated, the darker the coloring gets - amber, amber/orange, malt, dark chocolate.  i love the smell of hot bamboo in the morning.    :jumper:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 18, 2011, 07:19:00 PM
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/DSC01079.jpg)
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Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 18, 2011, 07:22:00 PM
mudd's in da hood!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Cookus on January 18, 2011, 07:29:00 PM
Nice shooting Mudd!   Was it worth all of those sleepless nights?... YES!   :archer:    Sherwood Forest is now in Missouri boys!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 18, 2011, 07:31:00 PM
Cookus, where's the pics of that Black Bear?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 18, 2011, 07:33:00 PM
Mudd ... glad its arrived mate . Looks sweet !
Are you gonna cough up a review for us ?

I sent that package today to you .
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on January 18, 2011, 07:39:00 PM
After I bought my Hill with the carmelized limbs, I spoke to Jason at Howard Hill Archery about their supply of carm. bamboo and he told me that the carmelized bamboo is done before he receives it.

Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Cookus on January 18, 2011, 07:50:00 PM
The Black Bear arrived in WV last week TW and I shot it all weekend!   It's headed for Craig's shop in the morning to get 2 inlays (Black bears of course!) and a black laced wrap.   The bow was in pristine condition but I wanted to "spruce her up a bit" before her debut here on Trad Gang!   I think the riser is a nice, orangish cocobolo, but Craig's going to identify it for me.   The contrasting black limbs and orange riser are beautiful!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rooselk on January 18, 2011, 08:06:00 PM
Mudd, if you don't mind me asking, what are the woods of the bow on the left in the first pic? The limbs look like yew. But what about the riser?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rooselk on January 18, 2011, 08:08:00 PM
Oops! Just saw the hat inlay. Must be the Robin Hood.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 18, 2011, 08:09:00 PM
Cookus, she sounds like she's gonna be right down PURDY! Can't wait to see the outcome.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 18, 2011, 08:44:00 PM
Bocote or is it bacote,

I'm not sure of the spelling.

The truth is I think it's beautiful no matter how you spell it..lol

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rooselk on January 18, 2011, 08:47:00 PM
Thanks. And you're right about it being beautiful. Congrats on the bow.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Raging Water on January 18, 2011, 10:16:00 PM
Mudd,

Nice to see your Robin Hood bow. Pretty awesome.

I got the hat so I will post some action pictures later this weekend.

Matt
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rick Butler on January 18, 2011, 10:22:00 PM
Mudd are you gonna make a hat for everyone that gets a Robin Hood bow? lol, Gotta admit that'd be kind of cool!  :biglaugh:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 18, 2011, 10:56:00 PM
Very nice Mudd.  :archer2:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Dirty Bob on January 19, 2011, 07:58:00 AM
Hey ben, Maybe you can shame me into the woods with my new bow next year!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 19, 2011, 08:04:00 AM
Im not that dumb again.  :knothead:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: mississippidave on January 19, 2011, 05:27:00 PM
I love my Wesley Special 66", 50@26.  Quiet as a mouse
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 19, 2011, 05:34:00 PM
who's still waiting on a delivery from craig, david, nate, etc?

i be waitin' on ...

big 5 from craig
ol' tom from david
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 19, 2011, 05:38:00 PM
I just go off the phone w/Jason about an hour ago. He said they are real busy. I let him know it was thanks to these posts!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Steve Clandinin on January 19, 2011, 05:41:00 PM
Rob,I confess a new "Red Cheetah" from Craig.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kelly on January 19, 2011, 05:55:00 PM
A Hill Big Five and Miller Split Bamboo are in the mail as I type this. Both are recent purchases(used) for me and should arrive by weeks end, or sooner.

As far as Sunset Hill's I've owned one since 2005-one of the very first bows Nate made for others. Nate has had it for a couple years now because he was not very happy with the way it turned out-too much string follow after several months of shoting because it had no belly glass, just bamboo. So he is making me a new one that should arrive sometime in the future.

Furthermore, it is going to be something "NEW" from Sunset Hill!  :)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on January 19, 2011, 06:04:00 PM
Rob, a Redman from Craig...
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on January 19, 2011, 06:05:00 PM
This thread is a feeding frenzy for us Hill sharks!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 19, 2011, 06:12:00 PM
been thinking about a redman too, ben.  mmmm, nice!

be interesting to see how much customer traffic is going to howard hill archery via way of this forum and thread ...   ;)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 19, 2011, 06:14:00 PM
Well, if I had to hazard a guess from my conversation with Jason, I'd say a lot. But, that's just my thoughts.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 19, 2011, 06:18:00 PM
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Originally posted by Wannabe1:
Well, if I had to hazard a guess from my conversation with Jason, I'd say a lot. But, that's just my thoughts.
that's what i'm thinking, too .....
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Blueridge on January 19, 2011, 06:21:00 PM
Waiting on a Big 5
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 19, 2011, 06:40:00 PM
Mmm

I am waiting on
My Robin Hood # 13
My T/d Rhino
My Belcher T/d Union Jack [ all yew
My Belcher 1 Union Jack Maple

all these are string Follow
66" 52# /-54 # @ 27 "
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Raging Water on January 19, 2011, 07:18:00 PM
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
who's still waiting on a delivery from craig, david, nate, etc?

i be waitin' on ...

big 5 from craig
ol' tom from david
Rob, Which Nate?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Raging Water on January 19, 2011, 07:22:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
matt, i'm hopeful that both of our wood/glass composite string follow hills will not only have that good feel on draw and release, but also won't lose much cast at hunting distances.  

there could be, should be, some serious difference 'tween the all wood longbow string follow dogs of my youth and these fancy schmancy, high tech, space age, modern composite hill string follow longbows produced here in the 21st century.   :D  

hope to hear about your testing today!
Rob, I shot my new HH Robin Hood String Follow today from 17 yards and 22 yards.

As you mentioned, past 20 yards the arrows started to run out of gas. However, I was just tickled with the 17 yard performance.

Boy, that Robin Hood feels really good!

Also, I shot 16 arrows lefty today. Very pleased with the way it turned out. See my Dual Shelf Robin Hood Post Page 3 for Pictures.

Matt
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 19, 2011, 07:23:00 PM
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Originally posted by Raging Water:
 
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
who's still waiting on a delivery from craig, david, nate, etc?

i be waitin' on ...

big 5 from craig
ol' tom from david
Rob, Which Nate? [/b]
nate steen (sunset hill) - what other nate?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 19, 2011, 07:24:00 PM
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Originally posted by Raging Water:
 
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
matt, i'm hopeful that both of our wood/glass composite string follow hills will not only have that good feel on draw and release, but also won't lose much cast at hunting distances.  

there could be, should be, some serious difference 'tween the all wood longbow string follow dogs of my youth and these fancy schmancy, high tech, space age, modern composite hill string follow longbows produced here in the 21st century.    :D  

hope to hear about your testing today!
Rob, I shot my new HH Robin Hood String Follow today from 17 yards and 22 yards.

As you mentioned, past 20 yards the arrows started to run out of gas. However, I was just tickled with the 17 yard performance.

Boy, that Robin Hood feels really good!

Also, I shot 16 arrows lefty today. Very pleased with the way it turned out. See my Dual Shelf Robin Hood Post Page 3 for Pictures.

Matt [/b]
good 'nuff!

what arrow weights?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on January 19, 2011, 07:28:00 PM
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:


be interesting to see how much customer traffic is going to howard hill archery via way of this forum and thread ...    ;)  
Well,along with checking out longbowbens bow and this thread I have a new Wesley Special on the way.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Raging Water on January 19, 2011, 07:28:00 PM
Awww? Man, I knew you were going to ask that!

Don't ask me about FOC. But the wood arrows were 532 gr. The bow is 55# at 28" so 9.67 GPP.

I did shoot some lighter carbon arrows (I guess 430 - 450 Gr) They flew real well at 22 yards.

Matt
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Cookus on January 19, 2011, 07:47:00 PM
I sent my Black Bear in this morning (add a laced wrap and inlays / modify dished grip to a locator)and Craig confirmed via email the turn-around time for my bow was 4-5 weeks.   The boys are REALLY busy but as TW stated they're taking the time to talk with all of us...   I appreciate that and their cordial customer service   :thumbsup: .   I will shoot the Wesley in the meantime!   Life is GREAT!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 19, 2011, 08:07:00 PM
I'm waiting on:

1. Sunset Hill Natural (no belly glass) 65" 58@26.5 which should be here shortly.

2. Two other Sunset Hills on order for later in the year.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: RC on January 19, 2011, 08:11:00 PM
Spanky, I got a birthday coming up and you got wwaaayyy to many Hills...RC
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 19, 2011, 08:33:00 PM
That's not possible RC...you can never have too many Hills!!

Spanky
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Nate Steen . on January 19, 2011, 09:07:00 PM
Now, now Kelly....no tempting! no leaking.....lol

Spanky,  why don't you tell the guys how 'slow' and out of gas your Sunset is?  This cracks me up......( it is my humble opinion that a well designed String follow bow shouldn't run out of gas...there are other factors to be considered when designing a string follow bow. If the bow is 2 - 3 feet per second slower than a conventional longbow, it wouldn't run out of gas until you shoot somewhere arond 50 yards...)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 19, 2011, 09:14:00 PM
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If the bow is 2 - 3 feet per second slower than a conventional longbow, it wouldn't run out of gas until you shoot somewhere arond 50 yards...)  
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 19, 2011, 09:27:00 PM
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Originally posted by sunset hill:
Now, now Kelly....no tempting! no leaking.....lol

Spanky,  why don't you tell the guys how 'slow' and out of gas your Sunset is?  This cracks me up......( it is my humble opinion that a well designed String follow bow shouldn't run out of gas...there are other factors to be considered when designing a string follow bow. If the bow is 2 - 3 feet per second slower than a conventional longbow, it wouldn't run out of gas until you shoot somewhere arond 50 yards...)
are there any issues with holding weight (and/or perhaps draw length) for string follow longbows?  

is there a threshold of sorts with a string follow longbow where to get decent performance/efficiency you need at least some specified holding weight?

iow, with a pair of string follow longbows that are as identical as possible but of different holding weights @ 28", say 45# and 60#, each using 28" 10gpp arrows, find that the heavier bow has a more than compared higher percentage of efficient performance (call that cast, arrow speed, lowered trajectory, etc) than the lighter bow?    

i know the heavier bow will perform better, but will that performance be proportionally better because string follow longbows "work better" at higher holding weights?

i ask this question to better understand if string follow longbows are worth having for lighter holding weight longbows.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 19, 2011, 09:28:00 PM
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Originally posted by SpankyNeal:
That's not possible RC...you can never have too many Hills!!

Spanky
I gotta say.. he's gotcha there RC...lol

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 19, 2011, 09:41:00 PM
It's funny, Nate and I were discussing this just the other day on the phone. Guys, after shooting "White Dragon" now for a few months I have proven to myself that what Nate says is right on! I've also had this same conversation with Steve Turay a couple of years ago, and he said basically the same thing. I have no experience with Craig's version of string follow, but after owning several straight and reflexed Hills, Kramers, Mists, Shultz's, and string follow Shultz's, Miller's, and Mists I can tell you that a good string follow design will be right there with, if not faster, than the other profiles...the Dragon is faster for it's weight than all of them! It's 58@26.5" which is my short stubby draw and with a 600gr arrow there is NO drop out to a measured 25yrds which I shoot at my local indoor 3D range. After shooting all of these different bows for some time now, I can see no disadvantages at all to a properly designed string follow bow. Add in the advantages of low shock, increased stability, and quiet release and you have the best Hill design ever IMHO!

Rob, I think that bow length in proper proportion to draw length is maybe more critical with string follow than it is with the other profiles. You can get away with a 68" reflex profile for a 26" draw, but the string follow may suffer a little for that draw at that length. The string follow however will feel just as smooth at the shorter length as the longer bow does!

Spanky    :archer:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 19, 2011, 09:45:00 PM
Rob,
i began using my string follows specifically for FITA and IFAA field rounds ... i felt that they performed a bit better and 'easier' when taking those 70 yarders etc on a four arrow end .

So yeah ... I'm sold on them , especially at the lighter weights .
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Nate Steen . on January 19, 2011, 09:51:00 PM
Rob,

I don't own a chrono,  never saw the need.  However, many customers of mine have stated over the years that they are really surprised how fast my bows are, from 45 - 80 pounds.  They are ordering bows that are comparable with the weights they were currently shooting and are comparing arrow speeds with bows that are reflexed or straight.  Most customers are shooting arrows at least as stiff or in many, many cases they are shooting arrows stiffer than they are used to in their other 'hill style' bows.  I think that if the bow is tillered and timed properly, it will shoot well regardless of the weight.

To clarify my previous statement (not to put anyone down, especially other bowyers of whom I send many customers)  I believe that Hill's bowmaking principles have been lost on many people.  Hill also was constantly tinkering with his bows to make them better while still keeping their original form and function.  A good string follow bow shouldn't follow the lead of a backset bow...they are different bows and should have different design attributes, while still conforming to Hill's original principles. This means that a good string follow bow can shoot very comparable with a straight or slightly backset bow for speed, but be much better in terms of shootability. These are my thoughts on the subject based on years of research and bowmaking and aren't in any way meant to demean anyone's bows or bowmaking abilities.  I for one am over the top excited to see such an interest in Straight End longbows, and the renaissance of their popularity.  I have limited bowmaking time available and therefore send many potential customers to Miller, Ekin, and Turay who in the past few years have enjoyed the resurgence in string follow design, carmelized bamboo, and visible-fadeout risers.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 19, 2011, 09:52:00 PM
spanky sez ...
 
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Rob, I think that bow length in proper proportion to draw length is maybe more critical with string follow than it is with the other profiles. You can get away with a 68" reflex profile for a 26" draw, but the string follow may suffer a little for that draw at that length.
i don't understand - a 68" hill style and 26" draw is a mistake no matter what the limb set, or lack thereof.

if the bow length is apropos to the draw length for a 45# string follow and a 60# string follow - let's say a 68" bow and 28" or 29" draw length - which bow will be the better performer with a 10gpp arrow.  do you see where i'm going with this?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 19, 2011, 09:56:00 PM
The reason I said that is because alot of guys like the bow longer than Hills formula, i.e 70" bow and 28" draw, and that's a mistake with string follow bows! I do have a 47@27 Sunset Hill as well and it seems just as fast at the same gpp as the heavier one. I don't use a chrono but I can pick either one up and hit spot on with it at range with no adjustments so they must be real close!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 19, 2011, 09:57:00 PM
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Originally posted by sunset hill:
Rob,

I don't own a chrono,  never saw the need.  However, many customers of mine have stated over the years that they are really surprised how fast my bows are, from 45 - 80 pounds.  They are ordering bows that are comparable with the weights they were currently shooting and are comparing arrow speeds with bows that are reflexed or straight.  Most customers are shooting arrows at least as stiff or in many, many cases they are shooting arrows stiffer than they are used to in their other 'hill style' bows.  I think that if the bow is tillered and timed properly, it will shoot well regardless of the weight.

To clarify my previous statement (not to put anyone down, especially other bowyers of whom I send many customers)  I believe that Hill's bowmaking principles have been lost on many people.  Hill also was constantly tinkering with his bows to make them better while still keeping their original form and function.  A good string follow bow shouldn't follow the lead of a backset bow...they are different bows and should have different design attributes, while still conforming to Hill's original principles. This means that a good string follow bow can shoot very comparable with a straight or slightly backset bow for speed, but be much better in terms of shootability. These are my thoughts on the subject based on years of research and bowmaking and aren't in any way meant to demean anyone's bows or bowmaking abilities.  I for one am over the top excited to see such an interest in Straight End longbows, and the renaissance of their popularity.  I have limited bowmaking time available and therefore send many potential customers to Miller, Ekin, and Turay who in the past few years have enjoyed the resurgence in string follow design, carmelized bamboo, and visible-fadeout risers.
i hear ya, thanx.

now to my question previously posed .. lemme cut to the chase, is it worth getting a string follow longbow of 45#, or will that light holding weight proportionally be that noticeable less efficient than the same bow at 60#?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 19, 2011, 10:01:00 PM
I think we were posting at the same time Rob LOL!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 19, 2011, 10:02:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SpankyNeal:
The reason I said that is because alot of guys like the bow longer than Hills formula and that's a mistake with string follow bows! I do have a 47@27 Sunset Hill as well and it seems just as fast at the same gpp as the heavier one. I don't use a chrono but I can pick either one up and hit spot on with it at range with no adjustments so they must be real close!
what is howard hill's bow length formula?  i read him saying the arrow length (draw length, i'll assume) corresponds to the bow length.  the formula being a 6' longbow for a 28" arrow, and each 1/2" more or less in arrow length is multiplied x 2 and added or subtracted from that 72" bow.  does that pan out with a modern wood/glass hill, sunset, miller, schulz, etc?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Sixby on January 19, 2011, 10:03:00 PM
Excuse the ignorance here but its how we learn. What is a visible =fadeout riser? you can see the fadeout in any riser if you look close enough. Its a term I am un-familar with  Thanks and God bless you, Steve
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Post by: SpankyNeal on January 19, 2011, 10:05:00 PM
Take the last digit of your draw length and add it to 60"...if 30" draw or over add to 70". So a 29" draw would be a 69" bow.
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Post by: SpankyNeal on January 19, 2011, 10:06:00 PM
A visible fadeout riser is where the riser is not covered by the belly lams but is exposed under the clear glass if that makes sense. You can see it on the Robin Hood bow pics and on my light Sunset Hill pics.
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Post by: Nate Steen . on January 19, 2011, 10:09:00 PM
Rob,

because of the different shooting characteristics of the different Hill style bowmakers' longbows, you would have to compare bows within the bowmaker's offerings.  In my bows, if you shoot a 480 gr arrow out of a 48# bow, you will get similar arrow speed and feel as a 600 gr arrow out of a 60#r.  Obviously, you will get better penetration with the heavier arrow.  Craig Ambros aka Fishone just got a 47#r from me, maybe his imput can help.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 19, 2011, 10:09:00 PM
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Originally posted by SpankyNeal:
Take the last digit of your draw length and add it to 60"...if 30" draw or over add to 70". So a 29" draw would be a 69" bow.
where did that formula originate?
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 19, 2011, 10:10:00 PM
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Originally posted by sunset hill:
Rob,

because of the different shooting characteristics of the different Hill style bowmakers' longbows, you would have to compare bows within the bowmaker's offerings.  In my bows, if you shoot a 480 gr arrow out of a 48# bow, you will get similar arrow speed and feel as a 600 gr arrow out of a 60#r.  Obviously, you will get better penetration with the heavier arrow.  Craig Ambros aka Fishone just got a 47#r from me, maybe his imput can help.
now that's what i needed to hear.  thanx.
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Post by: Nate Steen . on January 19, 2011, 10:11:00 PM
Spanky and Rob...

subtract one digit from the bow length in comparison to the draw length...ie.  28" draw..67" bow    27"draw = 66" bow.  However, as my customers know, there are many other factors included in determining bowlength...hand size among them....
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 19, 2011, 10:12:00 PM
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Originally posted by sunset hill:
Rob,

because of the different shooting characteristics of the different Hill style bowmakers' longbows, you would have to compare bows within the bowmaker's offerings.  In my bows, if you shoot a 480 gr arrow out of a 48# bow, you will get similar arrow speed and feel as a 600 gr arrow out of a 60#r.  Obviously, you will get better penetration with the heavier arrow.  Craig Ambros aka Fishone just got a 47#r from me, maybe his imput can help.
69" sunset hill for a 29" draw length?
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 19, 2011, 10:14:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by sunset hill:
Spanky and Rob...

subtract one digit from the bow length in comparison to the draw length...ie.  28" draw..67" bow    27"draw = 66" bow.  However, as my customers know, there are many other factors included in determining bowlength...hand size among them....
oh.  so for a 29" draw it's a 68" longbow?
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Post by: SpankyNeal on January 19, 2011, 10:15:00 PM
Nate is that for string follow only? I have heard the other formula for a long time from many Hill sources.
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Post by: Nate Steen . on January 19, 2011, 10:17:00 PM
Rob,  one of the many confusions concerning Hill's preferences for bowlength is centered on his size comparisons.  He had very large hands, which contorts dimensions in photos and personal accounts, which is one factor in bowsizing.  Hill also determined his drawlength differently than what we do today.  His bow was customized to him, for what worked for him.  If we take the dimensions of bows he preferred and re-size them to fit an average size man, a comparable bow will be much different.  However, the "standard 68"r" has been a standard for so many years that guys don't even know where it came from let alone if that size is correct for them...
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Post by: David Mitchell on January 19, 2011, 10:22:00 PM
Sixby, here is a picture of one of Nate's bows with the visible fade out....
 (http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy241/davidmitchell_6466/Sunset%20Hill%20bows/SunsetHill_brochurepics008.jpg)
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Post by: SpankyNeal on January 19, 2011, 10:24:00 PM
Looks like David's got something on his mind....another bow perhaps? Hummmmh!   :biglaugh:
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Post by: Nate Steen . on January 19, 2011, 10:25:00 PM
Spanky,

the formula did change somewhat over the years due to the advances in bow construction...also Schulz refined that formula in the late 80's with his string follow bows...

Rob,  one of the most critical, if not the most, elements of a proper Hill style bow is limb tiller/bend at full draw.  Compare Hill's limb bend on his personal laminated bows with Schulz's personal bows and they are identical.  This was very important to Schulz in bowmaking.  I try for this same bend in my bows and Schulz has confirmed this to me.  You are an interesting case....you very well might need a shorter bow than you have always thought in order to get that proper limb bend.  But, as I've said, there are many factors in deciding how to build the bow to fit you...not just bowlength, not just grip profile, etc.
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Post by: Wannabe1 on January 19, 2011, 10:27:00 PM
I've been reading along and find this to be most educating. Thank you guys for sharing this info.   :thumbsup:
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Post by: Nate Steen . on January 19, 2011, 10:28:00 PM
David,  since I built that bow many years ago, I've developed the technique to have a radius ended fadout under a flat lam of glass.  In my mind it is much better looking.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Nate Steen . on January 19, 2011, 10:31:00 PM
All this talking....you guys are keeping me out of the bowshop!  lol.lol.
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Post by: longbowben on January 19, 2011, 10:45:00 PM
Wow this got deep today.My heads spinning.
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Post by: SpankyNeal on January 19, 2011, 10:49:00 PM
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Originally posted by sunset hill:
All this talking....you guys are keeping me out of the bowshop!  lol.lol.
Uh oh, that's not good news for me!    :biglaugh:
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Post by: longbowben on January 19, 2011, 11:02:00 PM
Ok someone post a string follow bow so some new  people can see what you are talking about.I didnt understand untill i saw the pictures myself .Thanks
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Post by: SpankyNeal on January 19, 2011, 11:06:00 PM
The limbs bend slightly towards the belly (shooters) side of the bow when unbraced.

 (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/QuietPlaces007.jpg)
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Post by: longbowben on January 19, 2011, 11:09:00 PM
Thanks SpankyNeal.This is a very good topic i just might have to give one a try.Just dont tell my wife what im thinking.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 20, 2011, 06:24:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by sunset hill:
... Rob,  one of the most critical, if not the most, elements of a proper Hill style bow is limb tiller/bend at full draw.  Compare Hill's limb bend on his personal laminated bows with Schulz's personal bows and they are identical.  This was very important to Schulz in bowmaking.  I try for this same bend in my bows and Schulz has confirmed this to me.  You are an interesting case....you very well might need a shorter bow than you have always thought in order to get that proper limb bend.  But, as I've said, there are many factors in deciding how to build the bow to fit you...not just bowlength, not just grip profile, etc.
interesting.  your comments are new to me and go against typical hill style dogmatic thinking and trends.  

i don't have a clue to understanding how hand size fits into the bow length equation.

so, make me a believer - build me a sunset hill.  pm or email me and let's get me into your bow building lineup so i can expect to get it somewhere in 2012, before the world falls apart.     :help:

you have a pm .......
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Post by: David Mitchell on January 20, 2011, 07:01:00 AM
Here is a shot of a Hill string follow (on the right) and a Northern Mist (on the left).  Steve puts a bit more string follow on his bow than Craig does.

 (http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy241/davidmitchell_6466/Hill%20string%20follow/BigFivestringfollow005.jpg)
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Post by: droz il on January 20, 2011, 07:42:00 AM
Really enjoying this topic. Great information. Thanks to all involved.
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Post by: Mudd on January 20, 2011, 08:04:00 AM
I love the eye candy David!! Those are wonderful to behold but I'm betting that they are even more awesome to "be-holding"...lol

Thanks to everyone for the pictures!! Please don't be bashful folks, keep them coming it's out-of-season here and the ground has 8 inches of fresh snow on it this morning so I'm not going anywhere in my little two wheel drive Ranger.

God bless,Mudd

PS: Since my wife is staying with our daughter and granddaughter I think I'll start looking around in here to see if there's enough space for a short indoor range...lol
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 20, 2011, 08:11:00 AM
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Originally posted by Mudd:
... PS: Since my wife is staying with our daughter and granddaughter I think I'll start looking around in here to see if there's enough space for a short indoor range...lol
there's always room to shoot indoors, even in a tiny room.  i did that for years while working on form at 15 feet ... just use a GOOD backstop!  :D
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Post by: tradlongbow on January 20, 2011, 08:39:00 AM
Rob-

I agree about shooing inside; years ago I was working a job almost everyday and lived in a townhouse with a beautiful view of a lake but no back yard to shoot in. So I would shoot from the livingroom through the hall to the frontdoor, and for a treestand I would shoot from the second floor down the stairway into the dining area. When I sold the place, I had to repair the holes in the steel front door. It was fun and I could shoot everyday.

Darren
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Post by: leatherneck on January 20, 2011, 10:58:00 AM
:goldtooth:  Thanks goodness for bowyers.

Pretty interesting reading though.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 20, 2011, 11:32:00 AM
mike, i gotta thoroughly agree with ya.  all this stuff is interesting to me, but we all know that ANY stick 'n' string will kill kritters if we allow them to do so.  we all gotta keep that foremost in mind.
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Post by: leatherneck on January 20, 2011, 11:57:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
mike, i gotta thoroughly agree with ya.  all this stuff is interesting to me, but we all know that ANY stick 'n' string will kill kritters if we allow them to do so.  we all gotta keep that foremost in mind.
:thumbsup:
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Post by: SpankyNeal on January 20, 2011, 01:22:00 PM
I hope I say this right! My understanding is that hand size determines the depth of the grip. The deeper the grip the farther away the limb apex is from your anchor, so the farther the limbs must bend. If you measure draw length to the far side of the shelf, a deeper grip gives you a longer draw requiring the bow length and tiller to be adjusted to maintain the proper arc of the limbs. The position of your wrist never changes, but the draw length measurement will based upon the depth of the grip.

Now that i've totally confused all of you i'm gonna take a nap!     :biglaugh:    

Spanky
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Post by: Greg Skinner on January 20, 2011, 04:47:00 PM
Spanky,before you take your nap could you answer a question for me. Am I to understand that a person with a small hand would then use a shorter bow length than someone with a larger hand?  You may have stated it somewhere previously, but what is the length of your "White Dragon" bow?  

This has been an extremely interesting thread. Just when I thought I knew everything there was to know about Hill bows along comes a thread like this!

My hands are small and my draw length is about the same as yours - 26 3/4, so I like the 66" length for my Hills, but then I've never tried a shorter length.
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Post by: SpankyNeal on January 20, 2011, 05:52:00 PM
Like Nate said there is more to it than that, but in general my impression has been yes. "White Dragon" is 66" long and that is what Nate recommended for my draw and hand size which I guess is about average. It's riser depth is right at 2" and it fits perfectly! I've had a Hill Redman and a NM Classic that both had much smaller risers and they both felt and performed like a longer bow even though they were also 66" in length (slower and felt like the limbs were not loading up enough...just like a 68" bow feels to me). I know that is not a definitive test but it makes sense to me. Steve Turay told me that with his reverse handle bow the Whisper, you could nock off two inches of bow length and have it still feel and perform the same as the longer bow because the reverse handle moves the limbs at the handle 2" closer to the anchor point. Bow length coupled with proper tiller for your draw are critical in a Hill bow....too long and you lose performance, too short and stability and smoothness suffer. So when you pick a Hill bow it's imperative to talk to the bowyer and provide him with an EXACT draw length measurement and tracing of your hand so the bow can be properly built and tillered for you! There is so much difference in a Hill that has been truly custom made for you and one that was not that it's like the difference in night and day!

Spanky
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Post by: pavan on January 20, 2011, 06:59:00 PM
I have been thinking about getting a 70" Hill blank and taking a run to see if I could get it to function at my 26.5" draw.  I would maybe need to reverse trap a very whip ended bow, tempting.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 20, 2011, 07:07:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by pavan:
I have been thinking about getting a 70" Hill blank and taking a run to see if I could get it to function at my 26.5" draw.  I would maybe need to reverse trap a very whip ended bow, tempting.
i would think 70" is overkill for a draw length under 27"?  66" sounds mo' bettah to me ... ?
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Post by: Oliverstacy on January 20, 2011, 07:56:00 PM
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Originally posted by Wannabe1:
I've been reading along and find this to be most educating. Thank you guys for sharing this info.    :thumbsup:  
I have been doing the same today on this!

Very...Very interesting indeed!

Josh
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Post by: on January 20, 2011, 08:12:00 PM
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
 
Quote
Originally posted by pavan:
I have been thinking about getting a 70" Hill blank and taking a run to see if I could get it to function at my 26.5" draw.  I would maybe need to reverse trap a very whip ended bow, tempting.
i would think 70" is overkill for a draw length under 27"?  66" sounds mo' bettah to me ... ? [/b]
Is there any ROT on how to match a certain draw length to bow length.  I have read this lately in various posts....I have a 29" draw...does that mean I cannot enjoy a 66" hill bow?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 20, 2011, 08:18:00 PM
Alot depends on which bowyers Hill bow you are shooting as they are very different! I would try one first to see how it feels, but I think you would be happier overall with a 67-68". We're all different as well so it might work just fine for you.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 20, 2011, 08:24:00 PM
for a hill longbow, and my 29" draw, anything less than 68" is an issue for me.  ask me why i have a 66" longbow on the classifieds now ....  :)

yeah, i'm curious to see how nate can make less than 68" fit a 29" draw.  i know rik hinton's sunset hill is 66" and his draw length is the same as mine, 29".  i hope nate can educate me in that way, too.
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Post by: Nate Steen . on January 20, 2011, 08:27:00 PM
To follow up with Spanky's thread....

grip depth and grip length factor into limb tiller and repeatable hand position/bowhand 'heeling'.  To keep the handle length as short as possible, you need to know the grip length. You need to also to be able to make the working limbs as long as possible while keeping the limb arc correct. Factors like this are what make a truly custom bow...not just what kind of wood and glass color you want.  Most bowyers work off a standard riser length for a particular bow length.  They use standard grip sizes, built for the 'standard' shooter.  However, we all know that all of us are different.  No wonder that guys will shoot brand A well and brand B they can't hit the barn door with. In shooting both bows, it happened to work out that brand A happened to be sized and tillered for their unique characteristics, not that brand B was a bad bow.  The 'standard' 68" longbow with a 16"+- handle has been around so long because it fits most people generically and most bowyers that build for a living must make bows to fit the masses or they go broke. But are we all the same? No.  The sum of all the small things in a bow will add up to make a very custom bow that is built to fit that one person.  To do this you must in a sense throw out the book on standardization.  A bow that is built like the old self bows, tweaking and fitting to the shooter becomes a bow that doesn't get left on the bowrack very much because it's always in use. I try to take the old Hill bowmaking principles and use these to fit the bow to the particular individual's needs.  Why did Hill's longbows work for him? They fit him and his needs.  Schulz was taught personally by Hill yet didn't shoot the same length bows as Hill.  He's about 7" shorter with shorter arms, so his bows were sized to fit him and his needs.  Yet both bowyers built bows based on the same design principles. Photos of them both shooting reveal that each's bows had same limb bend, proportionate handles, etc.  That's customization.  That's what I'm talking about.
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Post by: SpankyNeal on January 20, 2011, 08:29:00 PM
What he said!  :biglaugh:
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Post by: Nate Steen . on January 20, 2011, 08:35:00 PM
Rob,

 a guy with small hands, shooting a tab, needs a smaller handle, and grips a smaller area of bowstring, no matter what length his draw is...a guy like me with big hands, using a double layer leather glove will need a larger handle and grip a larger area of string, again no matter what his draw is.  Rik has small hands, and shoots barefingered....both very important factors in sizing his bow...however he did want a takedown sleeve, so it's non adjusting size had to be taken into account.  But then again Rik doesn't really draw 29" when he shoots...he creeps forward as he settles into the shot and actually shoots about 27".  He uses 29" bop arrows so he doesn't feel the head hit his finger as he overdraws to get back tension....

I'm starting to reveal secrets that only my customers know about...stuff I've learned the hard way....
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Post by: on January 20, 2011, 08:38:00 PM
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
for a hill longbow, and my 29" draw, anything less than 68" is an issue for me.  ask me why i have a 66" longbow on the classifieds now ....   :)  

yeah, i'm curious to see how nate can make less than 68" fit a 29" draw.  i know rik hinton's sunset hill is 66" and his draw length is the same as mine, 29".  i hope nate can educate me in that way, too.
Rob, please clarify "anything less than 68" is an issue for me"

Is it in your accuracy or overall feeling...many here have alluded to this "issue" in one way or another but it is still too vague for me..  I also think understanding the issue will lead me to make a better decision.
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Post by: highcountry on January 20, 2011, 08:39:00 PM
We went down to the BIG city last weekend.  I stopped by my "crack house". The shop owner has a policy, you can't shoot a bow without purchase prior.  My policy is just the other side of the coin. Test drive prior to purchase.  I would of most likely bought a HH if I could of shot them 1st.  He had a Badger I really liked the looks of. Have you guys ever had a archery shop with the same policy? Buy before you can shoot it?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 20, 2011, 08:42:00 PM
hey nate, am i on your list yet?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 20, 2011, 08:44:00 PM
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Originally posted by Macatawa:
 
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
for a hill longbow, and my 29" draw, anything less than 68" is an issue for me.  ask me why i have a 66" longbow on the classifieds now ....    :)  

yeah, i'm curious to see how nate can make less than 68" fit a 29" draw.  i know rik hinton's sunset hill is 66" and his draw length is the same as mine, 29".  i hope nate can educate me in that way, too.
Rob, please clarify "anything less than 68" is an issue for me"

Is it in your accuracy or overall feeling...many here have alluded to this "issue" in one way or another but it is still too vague for me..  I also think understanding the issue will lead me to make a better decision. [/b]
for me, with too short a bow, there are issues of stack, loss of smoothness, instability, and a missing 'feel' on release.  with some longbows, even 68" will be close but no cigar.  

all this isn't rocket science, it's closer to human evolution.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 20, 2011, 08:45:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by highcountry:
We went down to the BIG city last weekend.  I stopped by my "crack house". The shop owner has a policy, you can't shoot a bow without purchase prior.  My policy is just the other side of the coin. Test drive prior to purchase.  I would of most likely bought a HH if I could of shot them 1st.  He had a Badger I really liked the looks of. Have you guys ever had a archery shop with the same policy? Buy before you can shoot it?
without a doubt, a vendor to avoid like the plague.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Nate Steen . on January 20, 2011, 08:46:00 PM
Now I'm leaving...going home to work in the  bowshop...  :archer2:  

Last night I worked on the computer too much and didn't get any 'real' work done...lol.

This has been a great thread guys, I didn't mean to horn in.  Keep it active and remember that information like this is teaching a multitude of longbow shooters what it is that makes true Hill style longbows really work. Better built Hill style longbows are being made today than ever before, and guys are asking more of the bowyers...

Honestly,  a few years ago had any of you ever asked a bowyer for a string follow longbow? or carmelized bamboo?  Honest questions and true answers will help promote our beloved Hill style longbows in a great way....
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Nate Steen . on January 20, 2011, 08:48:00 PM
Yes, Rob,  you're on my list,  but now I'm backed up too long again.  I need to shut my mouth.....
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 20, 2011, 08:55:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by sunset hill:
Yes, Rob,  you're on my list,  but now I'm backed up too long again.  I need to shut my mouth.....
i'm in no hurry.  you keep talking.  talk is cheap and sometimes good.  :)
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Post by: SpankyNeal on January 20, 2011, 09:00:00 PM
Boy, I'm sure glad I got my list in before all this started!    :goldtooth:
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Post by: Canyon on January 20, 2011, 09:43:00 PM
Nate, I want on the list too. Did ya get my email??
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on January 20, 2011, 10:24:00 PM
Macatawa, my experience with a 29" draw and a 66" Hill mirrors Rob's, in that I found that I was a bit hit-and-miss with my accuracy. That's why I sold it to a friend with a shorter draw, who absolutely loves the bow, and am replacing it with a similar bow that is longer.
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Post by: longbowben on January 20, 2011, 10:30:00 PM
Wow i have a 64" wesley and i draw a true 28 1/2 and it feels fine to me.But i ordered a 66 inch this time just thought i would give a longer bow a try.
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Post by: on January 20, 2011, 11:00:00 PM
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Originally posted by Ben Kleinig:
Macatawa, my experience with a 29" draw and a 66" Hill mirrors Rob's, in that I found that I was a bit hit-and-miss with my accuracy. That's why I sold it to a friend with a shorter draw, who absolutely loves the bow, and am replacing it with a similar bow that is longer.
So, you will go with a 68"er?
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Post by: Ricker on January 21, 2011, 01:31:00 AM
Macatawa,
I have a 68" 60#@28 Hill Cheetah that is a straight profiled bow that I'd be glad to send you to try for yourself. I see you're from Michigan so it would be cheap to mail or if you live somewhere near me maybe just personally deliver.
My feeling is if you're a 29" draw 68" is best at a minimum like Ben suggests too.
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Post by: Ricker on January 21, 2011, 01:48:00 AM
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Originally posted by David Mitchell:
Here is a shot of a Hill string follow (on the right) and a Northern Mist (on the left).  Steve puts a bit more string follow on his bow than Craig does.

  (http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy241/davidmitchell_6466/Hill%20string%20follow/BigFivestringfollow005.jpg)
This photo is cool. I think the amount of string follow is merely one aspect of how sweet a bow feels and behaves.  I believe a key factor in the "sweetness" of the "s-follow" design is the limb with radius feels and behaves much better than one that is straight from the fades to the tip.
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Post by: on January 21, 2011, 02:16:00 AM
Rick,
Interesting on the "string follow" thing.  I thought that was a down-side of these bows. Apparently it can be a plus??

Thanks for the offer!  I will not be back to the states until mid-june sometime.  Will look you up when I get back..

Take care...Tony
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Post by: Ricker on January 21, 2011, 02:19:00 AM
Sounds good Tony.
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Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on January 21, 2011, 03:21:00 AM
Nope, a 70" bow. I already have a 70" Wesley Special, and really enjoy that length.
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Post by: MikeM on January 21, 2011, 06:01:00 AM
I also have a 29" draw. Started with a 66" Hill years ago. Didn't like anything about how it felt and I am sure that affected how I shot it so I got rid of it. It was awhile before I shot a Hill again but when I did I got a 68" on Craig's recommendation. It was much better than the first. Subsequently I tried a 70"er. That was the best so I got rid of the 68" and now all my Hill bows are 70".
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 21, 2011, 06:15:00 AM
yes, i agree ... i haven't found a "hill style" longbow less than 68" ntn that felt "right" on the draw, hold and release for a true 29" draw (to the front of the shelf).  depending on the design and build, sometimes 68" and sometimes 70".  all depends on the parameters and TILLERING.
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Post by: on January 21, 2011, 06:53:00 AM
That's good info...wisdom in a multitude of counsel for sure...saved me from a disappointment.

I waded into this with the preconceived idea that I "needed" a 66"er.  You all have educated me well!

Thanks a bunch!!   :notworthy:
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Post by: David Mitchell on January 21, 2011, 08:12:00 AM
Looks like Nate and Craig are doing quite well as a result of this thread.    :bigsmyl:   446 posts about Hill style bows--gotta love it.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 21, 2011, 08:22:00 AM
not to mention there are other current hill threads.

interesting that pretty much none of the bowyers involved are trad gang sponsors.

nothing like free word-of-mouth advertising, eh?
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Post by: Blueridge on January 21, 2011, 09:33:00 AM
Thanks guys this has been a great read , very interesting . No signal where I'm going for 2 weeks but Craig said my Big 5 will be on it's way just as I get back. This topic could be it's own category.
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Post by: Davesea on January 21, 2011, 10:47:00 AM
According to Howard Hill Himself he would never use a bow shorter than 69" with his 28" draw.  

I saw a nice quote in one of the trad gang signatures...

"Fear the man with one bow"
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Post by: Blueridge on January 21, 2011, 12:01:00 PM
Thanks guys this has been a great read , very interesting . No signal where I'm going for 2 weeks but Craig said my Big 5 will be on it's way just as I get back. This topic could be it's own category.
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Post by: 3Under on January 21, 2011, 08:01:00 PM
Don't stop now!!
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 21, 2011, 08:03:00 PM
it'll pick up when the bows start rolling in ....
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Post by: Ben Maher on January 21, 2011, 08:22:00 PM
Rob said...
 
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 it'll pick up when the bows start rolling in ....  
mine are getting posted Monday .....   :goldtooth:
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Post by: Ben Maher on January 21, 2011, 08:34:00 PM
Re the number of posts ... Ain't a sponsor in site for nearly any of the bowyers who get mentioned which is a great pity.

Perhaps if Hill style bow enthusiasts had there own forum here on TG we could get some on board ...

On such a T'Gang Hill users forum we could talk discuss ...
*Plaid      :rolleyes:    
*Why we are cooler than everyone else ...     :smileystooges:    
*Why we are considered 'the kids who sit up the back of the bus ' and what our bad boy image means to us and the women who want us  ...     :saywhat:    
*How we ain't overly interested in the words letters 'fps' or carbon but very intersted in the words like 'back quiver' , stability , Redman and hog hunting ...  and elevated rests        :nono:    
*That long is better ... And that by definition 'short longbows' are for nancy boys       ;)      

I can think of a few guys who could admin the forum ... lol

In all seriousness I'd always prefer to give my $$$ to sponsors so if we can do anything to get them here i think it would be of great benefit to everyone .
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Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on January 21, 2011, 09:10:00 PM
Ben Maher: Too funny! You have the madness, but I agree, and so therefore must also be mad!
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Post by: RC on January 21, 2011, 09:10:00 PM
BIG FIVE in the house. Worked a deal with Thomas aka Hogdancer and got a fine Big Five. I did`nt get home till after dark so I strung her up and shot her in the house. About 15 yards and I was wearing out a golf ball size spot. HAPPY.
  It has action boo limbs with an extra lam of yew in the middle under clear glass with a Texas Ebony Riser. I will post pics tomorrow.Life is good,Thank you Lord.

 Ben, I did sit in the back of the bus...and my Grandson thinks I`m cool and....RC
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Post by: Mudd on January 21, 2011, 09:29:00 PM
Alright RC!! I look forward to seeing pics.

Give a few more details like length, draw weight, ect.

Inquiring minds want to know...lol

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: RC on January 21, 2011, 09:36:00 PM
Mudd, Its 66" long and 52@27. Shoots the samw arrows I was shooting from my Mohawk like bullets. I put a big Magnus I on and it shot perfectly.Gold tip trad 35/55 with 250 grains in the nose.Kinda cool. The Mohawk at my draw is bout 5 pounds less but with the Hill not cut as deep they shoot fine. Kinda good cause I bought 24 from a TG member a while back.RC
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Post by: longbowben on January 21, 2011, 10:38:00 PM
Cant wait to see it .Congrats  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Ben Maher on January 21, 2011, 10:44:00 PM
Thnx for arrows heads up RC !
Looking foward to seeing you bow with some hogs pics ...
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Post by: droz il on January 21, 2011, 10:49:00 PM
Congrats, can't wait for the pics.
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Post by: SpankyNeal on January 21, 2011, 11:00:00 PM
Sounds like a purty one RC...can't wait to see it!  :coffee:
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Post by: Ricker on January 21, 2011, 11:58:00 PM
way to go RC!!  post it up when u can.
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Post by: tradlongbow on January 22, 2011, 01:14:00 AM
Last night I took out my copy of Hitting them like Howard Hill by John Schulz, in chapter 5 page 34 Mr. Schulz says that his favorite hunting bow is 68" long, and his draw was 26".     I beleive it is a preference what length one uses but i prefer my bows to be 68" or 70" long.                                                                                     Darren
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Post by: on January 22, 2011, 05:44:00 AM
Darren,
According to what Schultz has for a preference, I can't imagine that even a 68"er will be good for me as I draw 29"+ depending on what bow I am shooting.

Does it seem logical then for me to order a 70"er?  I think Rob shoots 68" and we both have the same draw.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 22, 2011, 05:52:00 AM
with me and hill style longbows, depends on the individual bow.  it's mostly in the tillering.  typically, 68" lengths are fine for me.  a few weren't and should have been 70".  when in doubt, i'd go 70" for a 29" draw.  the big 5 i just ordered is 68", the miller tom is 70".  got both bases covered.  

after all, it's only money and time ....     :saywhat:       :cool:
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Post by: on January 22, 2011, 06:01:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
yes, i agree ... i haven't found a "hill style" longbow less than 68" ntn that felt "right" on the draw, hold and release for a true 29" draw (to the front of the shelf).  depending on the design and build, sometimes 68" and sometimes 70".  all depends on the parameters and TILLERING.
Rob, based on the parameters you suggested for me in your PM, and considering my 29" (heavy sometimes) draw, should I be thinking of a minimum 70" in the Tembo or the Wesley Special?
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 22, 2011, 06:13:00 AM
fwiw - after the 68" big5 and 70" ol tom arrive, and now that i'm a bonafide member of nate's loooong sunset hill list   :saywhat:     :)  , my next longbow will be a 70" t/d tembo.  i had a 68" tembo years ago and really liked it lots, and a t/d sleeve will be practical for my yearly flyaway hunts.

stay tuned later this year, the classifieds will have some longbows peppered here and there.   :D
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Post by: SpankyNeal on January 22, 2011, 08:20:00 AM
....considering my 29" (heavy sometimes) draw, should I be thinking of a minimum 70" in the Tembo or the Wesley Special? ...


Go by the selected bowyers recommendations. Based on my experience I would say that 70" would be fine with bows from Craig or Steve Turay as they use much longer risers, thus have shorter working limbs, than bows from Nate, or David Miller. The bowyer should steer you right based upon what you want out of the bow!

Spanky
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Post by: Ricker on January 22, 2011, 08:57:00 AM
Tony, I think the answer you are looking for is a bow that is tillered with the limbs whip ended will present them selves with a steep string angle at full draw giving it a feeling of stacking.  A person with your longer draw length would be better served with a limb tillered with much less movement in the tips.  More of a crescent look at full draw.

Rick
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Post by: on January 22, 2011, 09:06:00 AM
Spanky, I'll do just that when I get home.  I have learned tons of important stuff in the past two days that might just rekindle my love for the longbow as it was in the days I embraced the tradition.  

And, of course it really does not matter the cost if I can manage to capture that "perfect" one..

I have owned and shot so many different bows in my life but have always felt a kinship with the one Howard shot....crazy I know, but true indeed!

The only other bow I consider truly priceless was one that my friend OL Adcock made for me years ago.  Not because it was a good shooter (it truly was a blast to shoot) but because it was made by a good friend.

I am happy to have had the chance to meet you all here.  Will follow you guys around like a puppy 'till I can truly shoot 'em like Howard.
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Post by: tradlongbow on January 22, 2011, 10:30:00 AM
Macatawa-
 For your draw I would go with the 70", you could shoot the 68" but the 70" will be perfect.

Someone told me this one time about long limbs:

They said, If two kids are on a see-saw, and one of the kids is fat, it would be much easier to pickup the fat kid with a longer see-saw then a short see-saw.

Howard Hill talks about longer limbs on his bows in Hunting the Hardway. His book has lots of useful information; it covers the bow design, his style of shooting and hunting. I've had my copy for almost 20years and I still go through it and reference what Hill actual said.

Darren
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Post by: Mudd on January 22, 2011, 11:27:00 AM
I'm on here looking for the pictures of RC's new-to-him Hill bow.

Has anyone seen it yet?

I hope he isn't waiting until later today until after he's killed a couple of hogs and a few deer long with a mess of squirrels before he posts pictures...lol

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: longbowben on January 22, 2011, 11:32:00 AM
:laughing:
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Post by: Wannabe1 on January 22, 2011, 11:33:00 AM
I pull 29" and my Owl and Tembo both shoot just fine. My 70" Redman now, she's as smooth as butter! A little lighter in weight but on the pull, I can feel the difference.
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Post by: newtotrad on January 22, 2011, 11:36:00 AM
I have to say that this forum is awesome and the wealth of information/insight has helped me immensely over the two years since my forage into traditional archery.  This thread is no exception.  

I am in the market for my first Hill Style longbow and have been on the fence for a while largely due to deciding bow length.  I have decided on a Tembo and want it built with stringfollow.  I am 5'8" with small hands and a 26" draw and find myself going back and forth between a 64" length or a 66". Any suggestions?

Craig.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 22, 2011, 11:37:00 AM
much as we'd like to see them a bunch shorter like their mild r/d cousins, without a doubt longer is better with hill style longbows.  short risers + long limbs = overall goodyness.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 22, 2011, 11:38:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by newtotrad:
I have to say that this forum is awesome and the wealth of information/insight has helped me immensely over the two years since my forage into traditional archery.  This thread is no exception.  

I am in the market for my first Hill Style longbow and have been on the fence for a while largely due to deciding bow length.  I have decided on a Tembo and want it built with stringfollow.  I am 5'8" with small hands and a 26" draw and find myself going back and forth between a 64" length or a 66". Any suggestions?

Craig.
my advice is if yer ridin' the length fence, always opt longer for the safer bet.
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Post by: newtotrad on January 22, 2011, 11:52:00 AM
Rob,
Thank you for the advice. I think leaning to a longer length is probably the best.
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Post by: tradlongbow on January 22, 2011, 01:26:00 PM
newotrad-

John Schulz has a 26" draw and prefered a 68" bow in his book Hitting them like Howard Hill.

Darren
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Post by: GMASIUK on January 22, 2011, 01:29:00 PM
I have owned both 68" and 70" Hills, draw 30" and perfer the 68" over the 70". The 68" just feels more crisp on release to me. But this is really splitting hairs. Either way you can't go wrong. I have owned at least eight Hills in one model or another and all one piece / locator grips. With that said, my most recent Hill is the Cheetha in a take down with the small sleeve that I really like the best so far. And I'm more of a recurve shooter so that says something for the t/d straight grip. Good luck and have fun with whatever you decide, most likely you buy more than one anyways LOL
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Post by: David Mitchell on January 22, 2011, 03:09:00 PM
newtotrad, I agree totally with Rob's advice   :thumbsup:
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Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on January 22, 2011, 03:13:00 PM
I took the Flu Shot, I'm good for HH bugs this year.
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Post by: longbowben on January 22, 2011, 04:08:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Cyclic-Rivers:
I took the Flu Shot, I'm good for HH bugs this year.
Not me im full blown sick   :laughing:
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Post by: newtotrad on January 22, 2011, 05:35:00 PM
Thanks for all the input guys.
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Post by: Blake Dustin Adams on January 22, 2011, 06:16:00 PM
Sixby if you want to start making this style let me know I'm really starting to want one with Osage and Yew limbs with a Walnut or Black Locust riser.

You guys are going to ruin my bank account.  I'm going to have to stop overpaying my monthly due on my truck so I can have money to buy more bows.
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Post by: Wannabe1 on January 22, 2011, 06:41:00 PM
Well, we finally got a break in the rain and 'ole Mr. Sunshine decided to peak in on us. So, the obvious thing to do was take a break from the arrow building and go shoot my "Owl".
 (http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/TradNut/101_0315.jpg)

I LOVE THE BEND OF A STRAIGHT LIMB "D" BOW!   :goldtooth:
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 22, 2011, 06:45:00 PM
nice form, tw - good arm extensions and everything is lined up parallel with the shaft.  now where's yer bow cant?  :)

and yeah, the bent "D" limbs and the back quiver are "traditional bowhunting".  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Wannabe1 on January 22, 2011, 07:04:00 PM
Rob it's just the angle. The bow is canted but, not real exaggerated. If you look closely at the lower limb, you will see it's actually outside of my left leg. Thanks for the compliment, coming from you, that means a lot.    :notworthy:
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Post by: longbowben on January 22, 2011, 07:07:00 PM
Thats what im talking about.Nice picture  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Wannabe1 on January 22, 2011, 07:30:00 PM
Not to tie this thread in with the carbon arrow thread but, those are AD Trad Lites with approx. 190gr up front and, they were flying straight and hitting pretty darn hard. I had to change the point weight when I first started but, it worked like a charm!   :thumbsup:
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Post by: RC on January 22, 2011, 07:33:00 PM
How bout my new to me Big Five...One hard shooting rascal.RC

 (http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/IMG_1326.jpg)

 (http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/IMG_1327.jpg)

 (http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/IMG_1325.jpg)
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Post by: longbowben on January 22, 2011, 07:36:00 PM
I knew you where out playing, any pigs too show us?
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Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on January 22, 2011, 07:39:00 PM
Good to see some photos, lads!
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Post by: RC on January 22, 2011, 07:46:00 PM
No pigs. thats the swamp behind my house where I go stumping.Going on a two day hunt tomorrow for pork and treerats.RC
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Post by: SpankyNeal on January 22, 2011, 07:46:00 PM
Nice looking Big 5 RC...congrats!  :clapper:  

Spanky
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Post by: Wannabe1 on January 22, 2011, 07:51:00 PM
Great looking bow RC! Look forward to some bacon pics when you return.   :thumbsup:    :clapper:
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Post by: longbowben on January 22, 2011, 08:05:00 PM
Yes great looking bow.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: on January 22, 2011, 08:15:00 PM
RC
Dandy!!!

Could use some specs and a little more on your impression...how does it compare with your other bows?  :help:
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Post by: Cookus on January 22, 2011, 08:41:00 PM
Nice looking bow RC!   I'm sure tomorrow will be awesome!   Take your camera and post some pictures!   By the way, are you shooting 2016's out of her?
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Post by: RC on January 22, 2011, 09:02:00 PM
Thanks Guys. It is a fine bow. First time I`ve had one with a staight grip. It feels good but I think I would rather have a slight locator. Regardless it shoots where I`m looking.
Its 55@28 and 66" long. I`m shooting goldtip trads 35/55 With 250 grains up front. Not as heavy as I like for this kinda bow. I`m gonna get some wood arrows of some sort I think. Its been a while since I`ve hunted with wood but I`m kinda wanting to. I got some Ace 200 grain heads on the way I want to put through a big boar.I`ve found two Big Mature pigs and I`m gonna be after them .RC
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Post by: Mudd on January 22, 2011, 10:52:00 PM
RC you done good buddy!! Awesome looking bow!

Pictures of yours made me get an indoor range set up. Actually I set up two one I can only get 4-5 yards and the other is 9 yards.

I'm used to shooting a lot at 33 yards so this is a challenge.

"Keeper Kat" is as sweet at short distances as she is outside...lol

Thanks for sharing RC.

I look forward to seeing the pig(s) that get introduced to your new bow.

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on January 22, 2011, 11:13:00 PM
Good luck, RC!
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Post by: leatherneck on January 23, 2011, 12:27:00 AM
Great looking bows fellows!
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Post by: stik&string on January 23, 2011, 12:57:00 AM
Thanks to everyone for the vast amount of information shared in this thread. That "Hill Bug" has biten me pretty badly, and now I feel I can make a more educated choice.
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Post by: newtotrad on January 23, 2011, 01:00:00 AM
I'll second what stik&string just stated.
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Post by: RC on January 23, 2011, 01:17:00 AM
I hear Big Jim is gonna work up a Hill style bow in a little while.I`ve done got dibs on the first one..RC
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Post by: tg2nd on January 23, 2011, 02:54:00 AM
My drawlength is 25", heigth is 5'10", Glove Size is "S". My Hill/Hill-Style bows are 62" to 65" with riserlengths of 13" to 14". The shorter ones work better for me.
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Post by: Bent Rig on January 23, 2011, 10:08:00 AM
why isn't any of this stated in the catolog or online - how to fit the correct bow to one specific DL for maxiumum performence ? It seems to me that there are an awful lot of people whom didn't know these facts and bought the wrong length bows . Even , I presume that they called and talked to a bowyer when they made their orders , unless they just made what the customer wanted without advising otherwise . So for example , I pull 27.50"to 28" - by what I have read on hear I would want a 69"(thats what Howard used) bow - what would be the nock to nock length on that bow - 67" ? Help !
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 23, 2011, 10:18:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Bent Rig:
why isn't any of this stated in the catolog or online - how to fit the correct bow to one specific DL for maxiumum performence ?

good question.  some bowyers/companies offer guidelines for draw length versus bow length, some don't.

It seems to me that there are an awful lot of people whom didn't know these facts and bought the wrong length bows .

absolutely true, but less so from a private bowyer who more than likely would contact the buyer should the spex show a 29" draw for a 66" hill style longbow

Even , I presume that they called and talked to a bowyer when they made their orders , unless they just made what the customer wanted without advising otherwise . So for example , I pull 27.50"to 28" - by what I have read on hear I would want a 69"(thats what Howard used) bow - what would be the nock to nock length on that bow - 67" ? Help !

firstly, bow lengths should be as ntn.  that would be an amo given.  second, some archers have no problem with a 29" draw and a 66" hill longbow.  all hill longbows are not alike, not all have the same limb widths, core depths and tillering.  without trying an example of a bowyer, yer playing money and time games.  when in doubt, ALWAYS go longer.  i have a 29" draw and a 68" craig hill longbow works just fine.  i've got a miller ol' tom on order and that WILL be 70" ntn.  hope this helps.
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Post by: SpankyNeal on January 23, 2011, 10:29:00 AM
Guys the facts are that alot of Hill bows today are built to a formula for the masses! Riser length, limb tapers, and tiller all have to be adjusted to an archers EXACT draw, hand width, and grip depth and not just to bow length in order to get the proper arc in the limbs for EACH archer! You absolutly will not fit to the same length bow from one bowyer to the next and get optimum performance from each. A 68-69" bow might work fine for you from one bowyer, but from the next it either stacks or is too slow and thumpy! As I stated previously, the difference in a Hill bow that has truly been fit to you and one that has not, is like the difference between night and day...there is NO comparison! As for the stuff printed in older writings from Hill and Schultz, they didn't write everything they knew and they continued to refine there bows after those texts were written. The later information was passed only to a select few people especially from John who was very tight-mouthed about his designs. In his later years as John refined his designs and started to incorporate different profiles, he actually shot bows much shorter and lighter than he did early on! I say all this to remind us all that designs and materials continue to evolve making your bowyer the only true source of accurate up to date information for what you need now!

Spanky
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Post by: rollin on January 23, 2011, 10:31:00 AM
Ive only shot recurves and with my DL=27.5" will I lose some DL going to a bow like this?
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Post by: SpankyNeal on January 23, 2011, 10:33:00 AM
If you shoot with proper Hill form you may lose up to an inch of draw, depending upon how straight your bow arm is with the recurve.

Spanky
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Post by: rollin on January 23, 2011, 10:41:00 AM
Thought I had read that somewhere.Thanks.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 23, 2011, 10:53:00 AM
i could care less about hill, schulz and 'hill form'.  i don't want 'hill form', i don't like 'hill form' at all.  i like MY form.  

MY form is all that matters and that means having an american flat longbow that WORKS.  for me.  not you.  or hill.  or schulz.  

the bold truth is that longer limbs and good tillering make for a good american flat longbow.  can it be better than that?  i think so, if the bowyer does take into consideration unique qualities of the archer.

the rest is, well, subjective rhetoric and diatribe.  imho.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 23, 2011, 11:13:00 AM
as a personal observation over the last 55 years of messing with archery and bowhunting, guys that start off with too short and too heavy a holding weight stick bow ALWAYS increase their draw length when they up the bow length and lower the holding weight.
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Post by: leatherneck on January 23, 2011, 11:38:00 AM
Bent Rig-If you contact Jason or Craig at HH they will walk you right through the process. Nobody asked me what the size of my hand was or anything like that. I gave Jason my draw length(27 to 27.5)and the weight I wanted(54#'s) and he made the recommendation for me(64 to 66"bow). Never owning a Hill bow before I took his advice and ordered a 66" Wesley Special 54@27. These guys know how to build a bow and know whats best for the customer.
As far as all this technical stuff guys are talking about it is very interesting to me. It has taught me alot about bows in general. But I buy a bow to hunt with and thats it. So my opinion is if MY Hill bow shoots where I want it too and it's comfortable to me then thats all that matters. If I want to use a stay puff marshmallow grip and it works then thats what I'll use. Point is,this is all good stuff here and teaches people what COULD go into choosing a bow. As for me,I let the bowyer tell me what size I need and they haven't failed me yet. This is all my opinion of course.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 23, 2011, 11:46:00 AM
the additional things i request when ordering out a craig hill longbow, any model ...

* narrow throat locator handle, non-tear drop cross section

* shelf plate wood cut no more than 1/16" proud of the limb centerline

* tiller to 30" (1" past my draw length)

* thinned limb tip overlays
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Post by: leatherneck on January 23, 2011, 11:48:00 AM
I did also pick my grip and limb tips.

Hey Rob, are you tryiong to get my specs from me to ruin my surprise?  :nono:  

I'm still not telling what I ordered.
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Post by: tradlongbow on January 23, 2011, 12:11:00 PM
Rob, I agree with you,

"the bold truth is that longer limbs and good tillering make for a good american flat longbow. can it be better than that? i think so, if the bowyer does take into consideration unique qualities of the archer."

Like I pointed out in John Schulz is book Hitting them like Howard Hill, Mr. Schulz's favorite bow was 68" for his 26" draw.

For almost the last 20years, I shot bows that where 66", 68", 69" and 70" at my 28"draw very well, but I tend to prefer the longer lengths 68" thru 70.

Darren
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Post by: Bent Rig on January 23, 2011, 12:35:00 PM
Thanks Guys , just trying to get as much info as possible so when the time comes I'm ready with all my spec's and questions for the bowyer when called upon . I don't have a problem with longer .  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Kelly on January 23, 2011, 12:37:00 PM
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
as a personal observation over the last 55 years of messing with archery and bowhunting, guys that start off with too short and too heavy a holding weight stick bow ALWAYS increase their draw length when they up the bow length and lower the holding weight.
Amen!

Just an FYI learned from experience my first entrance into the "longbow" world came about in 1994 after 30 years shooting recurves. Was shooting a 66" 68# Gamemaster Jet at that time and had been shooting recurves of that weight, or thereabouts for over 20 years.

So, because of all the R/D trend at that time I tried a 70# 60" Pronghorn longbow. Never ever did get to a similar accrucay with that bow as my recurves because it stacked(was way too short) for my nearly 29" draw. Many said you can not shoot a longbow the same way you shoot a recurve-one had to shoot quickly, not delibertly like with a recurve. Well, I tried it that way and it was worse for me.

As the years progressed I could never get it out of my mind that the "longbow" had beaten me. Sure every other year or so I'd try another one-whatever was the latest, greatest since sliced bread model but the results were always the same.

Fast forward to 2010 and the "longbow" bug and my personal defeat with it are still forefront in my memory so decided to give it one last try. Always loved the simplicity of a "stick and string", wood arrows in a back quiver and just wondering through hill and dale ala "Witchery of Archery" style.

So what will be different with this foray into the "longbow" world this time you might ask? Well, I'm treating this venture like I've nver shot a bow before and starting with a 64", 30# @ 26" Howard Hill Big Five to learn the correct ways of the "longbow"! As I progress into this adventure there will be a Miller all bamboo and a Sunset Hill(new model) waiting to fulfill my dreams. Yep, even after 49 years of shooting the bow one can still have dreams.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kelly on January 23, 2011, 12:55:00 PM
Here is my Hill Big Five, 64" 30# @ 26".

 (http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee200/kelly1049/CB-lnwBWkKGrHqZi4E0F777CgLBNJnfbmoT_12.jpg)

Here is my Miller all bamboo, 66" 50# @ 28".

 (http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee200/kelly1049/100_0036.jpg)

My Sunset Hill, a project in waiting but will get you a picture as soon as I receive it, will be 66" and around 42# @ 28".
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 23, 2011, 01:07:00 PM
real longbows. just gorgeous.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: leatherneck on January 23, 2011, 01:21:00 PM
Nice Kelly, real nice!
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Post by: leatherneck on January 23, 2011, 01:28:00 PM
Rob, I will say this, I went ahead and stayed with the locator grip. And maybe a couple other suggestions you made.
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Post by: longbowben on January 23, 2011, 01:29:00 PM
Very nice   :archer:
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Post by: Wannabe1 on January 23, 2011, 01:30:00 PM
Great looking bows Kelly! I like the looks of the Miller.   :thumbsup:
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Post by: SpankyNeal on January 23, 2011, 01:33:00 PM
Lookin good Kelly!
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Post by: pavan on January 23, 2011, 02:29:00 PM
I need to clarify the statement about John's favorite bow from the early 70s.  The 68" 'Big Enough', although it was his favorite length at that time, later he shot 66" and when he went to his string follow and all wood designs he was shooting 64". he maintained his 261/4" draw.  I have shot bows from 96 down to less than 40 pounds and I also shoot a little over 26" draw on all of them.  I tried 27" for a while with an 89 pounder and 72 pound bow, I was advised by Schulz that I was over drawing and went back to cutting my broadheads to 263/4" to the back of the blade. I pull the blade to my finger when I shoot, giving me about a 261/4" draw.  I have seen a bunch of guys over bowed with heavy longbows that would jam their bow arm, collapse in the shoulders and loose draw length; if you start out light and maintain that bent bow arm and shoulder control while going up in bow weight, your shooting and your shoulder will be better off.  Two of my favorite bows is a 68"Halfbreed blank tillered to a whip end for my short draw and the Timberline myrtle handled yew that I just picked up which is also 68".
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Post by: Mudd on January 23, 2011, 03:31:00 PM
I may have to give the locator grip a try.

On the other hand, we all know the old saying "If it ain't broke....."..lol

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 23, 2011, 03:42:00 PM
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Originally posted by Mudd:
I may have to give the locator grip a try.

On the other hand, we all know the old saying "If it ain't broke....."..lol

God bless,Mudd
it's all subjective personal preference, as with most things in life.  no such thing as a better or best grip, bow, arrow, etc.

hey, are we havin' fun ............ yet?!  :D
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Post by: Ricker on January 23, 2011, 03:47:00 PM
Pavan that is a great reply.  I like how you mentioned you whip end shaped your blank to enhance your personal draw length.  Of course Schulz enjoyed the freedom to experiment and for one reason he chose a certain length and limb arc vs another.  He didn't necessarily choose one length bow at his draw length to be the one and only perfect bow, but he did know how to achieve what was the best  ntn length for the way he wanted to tiller a particular bow.  The difference in the limb arc does not need to be a large amount different to produce fine results.
Target style (lighter arrows) vs hunting weight arrows perform better with differently a shaped limb arc, but when you tiller a bow a certain way you must change the length nock to nock to maximze efficiency and overall feel.
It is my opinion through this great thread we are all enjoying the one critically important piece of information for having a bow that is the correct length and shape is  "what weight is my preferred choice of arrow".


Some like EFOC others like lighter arrows etc.
That's where the journey begins....
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Post by: pavan on January 23, 2011, 03:54:00 PM
On my yew Hill, I have given it a locator that is a copy, although deeper, of the grip off my 50s 72" Bear Kodiak. I tweaked it until I need to do nothing with my bow hand to shoot. When the grip is right, it's right.  I have another one that is due for tweaking when the time comes for refinishing. I am wondering how difficult it would get, when ordering, to really get fussy on particular subtleties of shape to the locator grip.  Quite often when someone loves or hates a bow, it starts and ends with the grip.
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Post by: Cookus on January 23, 2011, 07:17:00 PM
Okay... We've waited patiently.   We need details of the Big 5's escapades in the swamp today RC!
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Post by: on January 23, 2011, 09:26:00 PM
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
as a personal observation over the last 55 years of messing with archery and bowhunting, guys that start off with too short and too heavy a holding weight stick bow ALWAYS increase their draw length when they up the bow length and lower the holding weight.
Yes..this is the truth.  When I shot the "all to short" bear recurves for too many years, I trained myself to pull against the stacking. It was all we had...did not know there were actually bows with longer limbs.  Years later, when I found there were actually more comfortable (appropriate) bows to shoot, I found myself drawing a full 32"...no kidding.     :p  

Took a couple years with good bows to rectify this problem..now shooting 29" pretty consistently.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on January 23, 2011, 09:42:00 PM
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Originally posted by SpankyNeal:
Guys the facts are that alot of Hill bows today are built to a formula for the masses! Riser length, limb tapers, and tiller all have to be adjusted to an archers EXACT draw, hand width, and grip depth and not just to bow length in order to get the proper arc in the limbs for EACH archer! ......

Spanky
Dang..if this is true, then I best not ever consider buying a used bow in the classifieds...

Bummer!!     "[dntthnk]"
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Post by: RC on January 23, 2011, 10:17:00 PM
I would`nt hesitate to buy a hill bow in the classifieds or any bow I wanted and could afford for that matter.A lot of "proper" fitting can go into a bow but truth is one thats the correct length for your draw or close will shoot plenty good.RC
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Post by: Mudd on January 23, 2011, 10:21:00 PM
X2 what RC said.....!!

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: David Mitchell on January 23, 2011, 10:25:00 PM
I'll ditto that RC.
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Post by: on January 23, 2011, 10:27:00 PM
Thanks RC...that is good to know.  I was counting on a "good deal"  

Rob suggested that I talk with the bowyer - give him parameters and have one made for me.  I'll prolly do that up front 'till I feel more at ease to pick-up a good used one tho..

It does seem there are a few experienced Hill boys here that don't agree on this issue.. not surprising.

I am at the beginning of my learning curve here.  Just beginning to weigh these considerations.

Thanks again..
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 24, 2011, 10:01:00 AM
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Originally posted by SpankyNeal:
Guys the facts are that alot of Hill bows today are built to a formula for the masses! Riser length, limb tapers, and tiller all have to be adjusted to an archers EXACT draw, hand width, and grip depth and not just to bow length in order to get the proper arc in the limbs for EACH archer! You absolutly will not fit to the same length bow from one bowyer to the next and get optimum performance from each. A 68-69" bow might work fine for you from one bowyer, but from the next it either stacks or is too slow and thumpy! As I stated previously, the difference in a Hill bow that has truly been fit to you and one that has not, is like the difference between night and day...there is NO comparison! As for the stuff printed in older writings from Hill and Schultz, they didn't write everything they knew and they continued to refine there bows after those texts were written. The later information was passed only to a select few people especially from John who was very tight-mouthed about his designs. In his later years as John refined his designs and started to incorporate different profiles, he actually shot bows much shorter and lighter than he did early on! I say all this to remind us all that designs and materials continue to evolve making your bowyer the only true source of accurate up to date information for what you need now!

Spanky
i don't believe that at all.  not in my experience after getting a glut of craig built hills, and a few by other far lesser known bowyers.

the real problem is that a LOT of hill style longbow archers don't know what they're ordering or what to specifically request.

there COULD BE some esoteric nuances that a 'bow-tique bowyer' could offer over a more 'mass produced' bow such as what craig offers.  in fairness, craig is NOT a mass producing production line bow company, he WILL listen to you and in most cases he'll accommodate your longbow needs and requirements.  this is true for the very vast majority of bowyers.  you just need to know what to order.  for you.  not for me.

so what's really left?  

overall bow design, materials, craftsmanship, tillering, finishing.  pick a bowyer and get yer feet wet.  we've all been there and it's all a crap shoot of sorts.  just look at the classifieds.

lets also put all of the bow design, bow materials, length vs width, "what's best for me", yadda yadda yadda stuff in perspective - if you think that these "slight nuances" are gonna be deal makers or breakers for you to bring home the bacon, yer definitely nuttier than me, and i'm a bona fide nut case when it comes to longbows.    :D

the arrow is still the god of archery - NOT the bow.
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Post by: on January 24, 2011, 10:13:00 AM
Rob said:
"and i'm a bona fide nut case when it comes to longbows."

Rob...I figured....HA!  That's the real reason I bend your ear.  Maybe I am too picky...yeah, I am but it is the "nuances" that I like....and that is why I can take your "nutcase" list to craig and get what I want.

Rob, buddy...don't forget to take your meds..     :eek:
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Post by: Buckwheaties on January 24, 2011, 11:52:00 AM
All of these "nuances" have got me wondering?? I have a Robin Hood "in the mail" to me. I talked to Craig b4 I ordered it. I told him that I have a 27" draw and a tight fitting work glove size hand. (a tight medium/ a little loose large) He suggested a 66" or 68" bow. Ok I ordered it @ 66" with a slightly smaller dished grip. I am under the impression that shooting a Hill is different than shooting most other longbows, so if that's the case, won't "I just learn to shoot it the way it is?" Like, get use to it and learn to like it? How can someone decide what's right for them without shooting alot of other Hill style bows to figure out the "nuances?" I hope my info to Craig was enough to get me in the ball park? Oh, one other question.. Can I turn a dished grip into a locator grip if I want to or is the dished design wrong to allow it?
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Post by: WESTBROOK on January 24, 2011, 11:57:00 AM
What a great thread this has been! Lots of great info and Purdy bows!

Rob, I think you'll be pleased with the string follow bows. You'll find its not same as a bow that has "taken set". It'll be a sweet shooter and still push an arrow with the best of them, I know mine dont run out of gas at 20 yds!

Macatawa, you'll be fine with a 68" bow.

A Hill bow, handfull of woodies and walk in the woods...Its good for what ales ya!

Eric

 (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h121/mandoman_2006/DSC01974.jpg)
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Post by: SpankyNeal on January 24, 2011, 01:22:00 PM
Rob, I guess I don't understand exactly what I said that you don't agree with, but I did not mean that Craig or anyone else for that matter, were mass producing bows! The more nitpicky the bowyer is about your various measurements, shooting style etc. and the more you are as well, the better the bow is going to work for you. If you go to a trad expo and pick a bow off the shelf that is tillered for a 28" draw, that bow was designed for a generic, average person with a 28" draw....will it work for you maybe, maybe not! The nuances are not a make or break deal, they simply can turn a good experience into a great experience!

As for used bows, unless the bow is tillered very close to my 26.5" draw I don't buy it...works fine with other bows, but not Hills.

Spanky
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Post by: Nate Steen . on January 24, 2011, 02:51:00 PM
Rob,  I'm going to politely disagree with you, no hard feelings...

Back when Hill wrote his books, he was writing to the masses, and still using mostly unfiberglassed bows.  He preferred longer bows and they fit him because of his size and draw and the durability of a longer unfiberglassed bow.  His bow formula with reflex worked for a longer bow.  He taught bowyers how to build his style of bows with these specs in mind.  At that time, he preferred those specs......

fast forward to the 70's...John Schulz was building bows how he was taught,  long and with much reflex, and his preferred bow was 68" for a 26" draw...but his bows at that time were heavily reflexed and the longer length kept them stable yet very fast shooters...but in the back of his mind, he remembers Hill tutelage about string follow bows, and he gradually changed his bowmaking to follow Hill's personal instruction.  Schulz's personal bows became much shorter...the bow in his video is only 64", because he was departing from the radical reflex bows to a softer string follow style as per Hill's instruction.  His bowmaking was modified to take advantage of Hill's preferences in bowdesign and modern materials like good fiberglass and his later bows built for Hill himself used this thinking....

fast forward to the 90's...Schulz is now only making all bamboo/wood bows following Hill's early bowmaking principles, but allowing for current technology  and making short bows sized to the individual shooter.  He shot bows as short as 62"...

I'm stating this to say that as time has progressed, the Hill style bows design as made by Hill and Schulz (his ace student) also progressed.  If we make a static statement concerning Hill's or Schulz's bow preferences,  we need to look at the time period and bow design that statement refers to, or we are in the wrong context of the statement.

Rob,  You have stated numerous times that you have had a gaggle of Hill style longbows.  I don't know how many you have now, but I wonder how many you've sold because they weren't 'right' for you....not in cosmetics, but in shooting characteristics.  You've had a chance to specify how you like the bow to be made, and yet they still might not fit you.  I've seen a photo of your bowform...in my opinion it is very much a target/recurve form.  That is not a bad thing at all. It is YOUR form.  However, I've seen way too many guys with a target/recurve form not be able to shoot a Hill style bow well, not because of the bow, but the style of shooting wasn't conducive.  The Hill style bow has it's own nuances in shooting and it's more critical of those nuances than recurves or r/d bows are.  Maybe the reason you've not found the holy grail of Hill style longbows is that your shooting style is more conducive to a r/d bow or recurve...that statement is not meant in a demeaning or derogatory way, nor does it reflect on your joy of holding and shooting a hill style longbow... it's just food for thought.  Discussions like this help newbie Hill style longbow shooter think about their choices and what fits best for them.
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Post by: tg2nd on January 24, 2011, 03:33:00 PM
I know a bowyer who has learned from Schulz. If he's in the right mood he tells you the true storys about riser length, bow length, etc. But only if he's in the right mood! I think that's the point with a lot of people. There are not "secrets", but little, tiny details. These details can make a huge difference in a bow.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 24, 2011, 03:44:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SpankyNeal:
Rob, I guess I don't understand exactly what I said that you don't agree with, but I did not mean that Craig or anyone else for that matter, were mass producing bows! The more nitpicky the bowyer is about your various measurements, shooting style etc. and the more you are as well, the better the bow is going to work for you. If you go to a trad expo and pick a bow off the shelf that is tillered for a 28" draw, that bow was designed for a generic, average person with a 28" draw....will it work for you maybe, maybe not! The nuances are not a make or break deal, they simply can turn a good experience into a great experience!

As for used bows, unless the bow is tillered very close to my 26.5" draw I don't buy it...works fine with other bows, but not Hills.

Spanky
basically, your initial statement ...

   
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Originally posted by SpankyNeal:
Guys the facts are that alot of Hill bows today are built to a formula for the masses! ...
as i've stated, most bowyers will make at least some accommodations to their designs, but in most cases, you gotta know what you want and know what to ask about.

the rest are all about the nuances - short or medium or long riser, every aspect of limb design, tillering, shelf design, handle and grip, and ad naseum.
 
let me repeat - the bow is not nearly as important as the arrow.  when a bow "fits" you well, then yes, that can and typically will enhance accurate consistency.  but it is NOT a panacea for criticality.  

to those who think the bow is THAT critical, you are officially absolved of your worry and pain.  go forth with a friendly longbow and your best arrows and kill something good for suppers.  

put this all into proper perspective.  we are traditional bowhunters and our weapons range from a simple rasped and scraped stick of wood to a laminated carbon/wood/glass/foam/whatever thing that has little resemblance to that primordial stick.

it DOES matter, but not that much.  really.  trust me on this.  getting a longbow that puts you in the ballpark for feel and performance isn't as difficult as some would have you believe.  really.  we all can have a tendency at times to obsess over minutiae.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 24, 2011, 03:58:00 PM
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Originally posted by sunset hill:
Rob,  I'm going to politely disagree with you, no hard feelings...
no, not at all, sir!  it's fine and good to disagree and debate.

i'll be blunt yet again.  i don't care at all about how howard hill made or shot his longbows.  

i care about the looks of an american flat longbow, the long, narrow and thickish limbs, the short riser and well bent limbs.  this is mostly about aesthetics and not cast performance because most any decent r/d "longbow" will outperform the best "hill style" longbow, pound for pound of holding weight with the same arrow.

to those who wish to emulate howard or john or any other howard-like disciple, cool.  have at it.  i will tell you this - you are better off working on your own form, as it applies to your physique than someone else's if you wish to excel at trad bowhunting.  

and for the record, nate, i do NOT have a "target/recurve form".  you want to discuss the nuances of that, pm me.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 24, 2011, 04:19:00 PM
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Originally posted by tg2nd:
I know a bowyer who has learned from Schulz. If he's in the right mood he tells you the true storys about riser length, bow length, etc. But only if he's in the right mood! I think that's the point with a lot of people. There are not "secrets", but little, tiny details. These details can make a huge difference in a bow.
no no no, those differences MIGHT make some kinda difference in a bow.  maybe.  

there are *SO* many variables in a piece of wood 'n' glass that to think a human can clone that precise goodness from bow to bow is like believing in the tooth fairy.  i'm a luthier, i equate bow building with acoustic quitar making - if someone knew how to clone either *perfectly*, every time, they would be ... GOD.   :cool:  

however, a good bowyer should be able to make your bow journey easier in many ways, and deliver a bow to you that, for the very most part, will make you a happy archer and hunter.
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Post by: tg2nd on January 24, 2011, 04:41:00 PM
Perhaps i believe in the tooth fairy?? (brought me some money as a child)   :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 24, 2011, 04:42:00 PM
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Originally posted by tg2nd:
Perhaps i believe in the tooth fairy?? (brought me some money as a child)    :bigsmyl:  
yeah, and ya know what pt barnum said?  :)
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Post by: tg2nd on January 24, 2011, 04:54:00 PM
Sorry, but I don't know pt barnum or what he said. Hope you tell me.
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Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on January 24, 2011, 05:01:00 PM
PT Branum said "A Sucker born every minute"
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Post by: pavan on January 24, 2011, 05:11:00 PM
My first hill longbows were made by Schulz, then Schulz went on to make his own trimmer line.  The next Hill bows I got were not made by Craig or Schulz.  One made by Meggs was quite different than either one, not a bad bow.  One day I made a tiller board and took a 66" Schulz and traced it at different draw lengths.  When comparing the two i noticed quite a difference in how they bent.  The Meggs bent much more at the handle, so I changed it to match the Schulz and then went a little further.  I flight shot the bow many times before I did this.  In the end I reduced the poundage of the bow by 8 pounds and it did not slow down at all.  It shot the same arrow, with same authority, the same distance.  I had another longer much heavier Hill, not built by Craig, I was tempted to try something with that one, but the tips were nearly as thick as the rest of the limb.  But I did flight shoot it.  it would not shoot as stiff a spine as the 64 pound Schulz, which was 25 pounds lighter nor would it shoot any arrow as far. I sold it to someone that thought he had to have.  Todays hills are more like those first hills, with a gentler reflex than the Meggs i had or the other ones.  I say all this to point out that a little change here and there in the Hill style bows that I have seen over the years can make a substantial difference.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 24, 2011, 05:19:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:
...I say all this to point out that a little change here and there in the Hill style bows that I have seen over the years can make a substantial difference.
and i do believe you and that you are correct, sir.

however, i consider that a "substantial difference" be put into the grander scheme of things, to whit, is it so large a difference as to be night and day, or at the other end is it a subtle difference?  and to who - me or you or ... ?  what does all of this really mean to the average trad bowhunter?

iow, each of us are 'experiments of one' when it comes to subjective stuff like longbows.  and each of us has likes and dislikes, and some of these qualities are poles apart.  

in the end, all that matters is bow that is a joy to the eyes, feels good in the hand, pulls sweetly, releases gently, and helps your good arrow to hit the mark and bring home the game.

it's not rocket science, nor does it ever need be.

all the rest is curious interest.
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Post by: Ben Maher on January 24, 2011, 05:40:00 PM
Rob stated ...
 
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 in the end, all that matters is bow that is a joy to the eyes, feels good in the hand, pulls sweetly, releases gently, and helps your good arrow to hit the mark and bring home the game  
Sums it up nicely !
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Post by: pavan on January 24, 2011, 05:58:00 PM
I should have added that I think that the bows available from Craig Ekin are quite simply great bows.  It must be pointed out as well that this little tillering trick works for a 26" draw, the same bow had less than a two pound per inch build up out to 27 inches and only two pounds from 27 to 28 inches. The difference in this case was substantial, because the bows performance remained the same and the person that is now shooting it could not handle it at 50 pounds, but she can shoot it all day at 42. The person who has that bow now won't let anyone touch it, and i bet it would stack past 27 inches. i was in a hurry my wife left the interior lights on in my Suv and needed a jump.
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Post by: on January 24, 2011, 07:43:00 PM
:bigsmyl:  

Feed me!!  This is ALL good!!    :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:    

Interesting historical perspective blended with a lot of personal experience and preference..

Someone once said: "too many cooks spoil the soup" but that is not the case here..not at all.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Nate Steen . on January 24, 2011, 07:50:00 PM
Rob,

I agree with you,  this longbow shooting should be a simple, enjoyable process.  It's not rocket science.  That said, there are reasons why some bows shoot better for some people than other bows.  It is these reasons that we discuss openly on this forum, so that people can learn information that has been held 'secret' for so long.  Maybe someone is learning something that will help them purchase a bow that will fit them and their shooting style.

These simple longbows are great in that they are so simple.  However, they are not just a 'pull 'er back and let 'er fly' thing.  If that is the approach one wants to take, then that is their perogative, and one of the joys of this sport.  However, there are so many small things that can be adjusted, from limb tiller to handle size, to bow length, etc. that make the bow shoot as well as possible for that individual....very much the same as a ILF recurve bow can be adjusted in limb tiller, handle length, bow length, etc. to make it shoot as well as possible.

Why do we as archers accept that a tournament or other style recurve or R/D bow has umpteen ways to get it shooting and feeling perfect while a Hill style longbow must always feel thumpy, slow, and 'get used to it or sell it'?  These "simple" straight end longbows can be made to perform splendidly....and all this 'forum chatter' helps further that end.

Nate
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 24, 2011, 08:32:00 PM
nate, i couldn't agree more with you, sir.

there are those who will ask for a bow built by model, length and draw weight, with no other input.  and they may be happy hunters with said bow, and kill tons of game for decades.  or too soon, as the newness wears off, the bow becomes a dog to them, and it ends up in the classifieds.  either way, more input to and from the bowyer is always a good thing.  there is always the element of luck with a new bow, no matter who the bowyer or what the parameters.  less chances are taken when you can work with a knowledgeable bowyer.  

and, imo, a specific type of stick bow (i.e., hill straight or backset or string follow, or mild r/d or aggressive r/d, etc) does not dictate a specific shooting form be required, in order to reach its maximum potential.      


however, if specific stick bow parameters are employed, as they apply to the archer in question, there is far greater a chance the resulting bow will be a better shooter.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on January 24, 2011, 10:19:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:

 
.....however, if specific stick bow parameters are employed, as they apply to the archer in question, there is far greater a chance the resulting bow will be a better shooter.
I am by nature, a lot like Rob I think.  Can be happy with something good but, if it can be better, even a little bit, I am interested.  

Years ago my job was to eliminate process variation in aircraft fuel systems manufacturing. That in itself has nothing to do with trad archery but the mindset applies to all of life, imo.

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it" is a good place to start but in my own insanity, I can't help but to tweak it a bit, especially if it doesn't cost more and the end result translates to my own personal view of perfection...in this case...perfect simplicity and historic beauty.

So, as Rob suggested, I will feed the knowledgeable bowyer with as much info as he   "employs the specific stik bow parameters" to ensure that there is a better chance that my first of many will be a good shooter.

Not rocket science here...just good sense, imo
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 25, 2011, 12:30:00 AM
This thread needs to get back to the basics i think people try to make this too difficult.I can give a bow to leatherneck and he can pound a bullseye with most bows very quickly from recurve to a hill.This is a picture of Dirty Bob first day shooting and shooting great all ready with his new to him Wesley Special. (http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj10/longbowben/DSC06795.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 25, 2011, 12:31:00 AM
(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj10/longbowben/DSC06798.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 25, 2011, 12:32:00 AM
Welcome to the gang Dirty Bob   :clapper:
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Post by: tg2nd on January 25, 2011, 12:36:00 AM
Rob, thanks for not telling me.
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Post by: SpankyNeal on January 25, 2011, 12:37:00 AM
And welcome to the Hill clan!  :clapper:  

Ben, those of us that have been shooting them for a while get bored with the usual stuff, so we get picky!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 25, 2011, 12:48:00 AM
I just wanted to get back on track.There are lots of hill bows being built right now and i cant wait to see them all.What one person thinks is right is wrong to another we are all individuals and like things different from others.I would love to see your collection of hill style bows.Do you live close to pelee island if so i will be their in july 23-30.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 25, 2011, 01:03:00 AM
Onya Dirty Bob !
nice lookin stic mate !
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on January 25, 2011, 03:03:00 AM
Nice bow, Dirty Bob!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: GingivitisKahn on January 25, 2011, 06:54:00 AM
Man, that's a nice looking bow!

   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 25, 2011, 07:05:00 AM
yeah, enuf of this esoteric stuff.  

another big 5 i had a few years back ...

  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/b5braced.jpg)

  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/b5handle2.jpg)

  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/b5tip.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 25, 2011, 07:11:00 AM
ah yes. an abbott! with really loooong fadeouts ...

  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/ab11.jpg)

  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/ab1.jpg)

  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/ab6.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 25, 2011, 08:08:00 AM
Rob, Dirty Bobs bow should look familiar to you.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on January 25, 2011, 09:26:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by WESTBROOK:
What a great thread this has been! Lots of great info and Purdy bows!

  (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h121/mandoman_2006/DSC01974.jpg)
Now that is a postcard pic if I ever saw one.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on January 25, 2011, 09:41:00 AM
You know something just ain't right when three guys come home from work and are shooting Hills in the dark at midnight!! In teen weather to boot!!! Or should I say it was all tooooo right. I just could not wait to try Dirty Bobs new to him Wesley. It's 68"  50@28. Some may say this bow is too long for my 27" draw but I think the target will disagree. Man this bow was smooth! I didn't want to put it down. Dirty Bob was starting to give me dirty looks after about a dozen arrows.

And did it ever fit into my hand. Rob I'm loving that locator and I'm glad thats what my bow will have.

Dirty Bob shot this bow quite impressive. First day with it and he was smashing bulls at 10 yards. Now mind you he hasn't shot a trad bow since he was a kid. You would have thought he's been shooting for a year or so.
 
Bunnies at GORH better look out!!!!!    :scared:

Congrats Bob on an awesome bow. You did good.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 25, 2011, 10:37:00 AM
And i was left out to just drink beer because im a lefty.If that bow would have been 5 lb heaver i think leatherneck might have stolen that bow.Keep your eyes out Dirty Bob  :p
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Post by: leatherneck on January 25, 2011, 10:40:00 AM
I might steal it anyhow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 25, 2011, 05:13:00 PM
We had another decent day of no rain today so, I took the "Redman" out to work on my form a little. Rob had noticed that I was leaning into my shots so, I wanted to practice and try and break that habit. I had a shoulder injury when I was deployed and I think that is what's causing me to lean in a little. The "Redman" is easier to practice with as it is only 45# @ my 29" draw. I shot at about 10yds just keep it simple.
  (http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/TradNut/101_0345.jpg)
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Post by: leatherneck on January 25, 2011, 05:23:00 PM
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on January 25, 2011, 05:23:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by leatherneck:
[QB]
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
[qb] hmmm, i think this was an adirondack?  really loooong fadeouts ...

   (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/ab11.jpg)


Thats a sweet looki ng bow Rob.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 25, 2011, 05:29:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Wannabe1:
We had another decent day of no rain today so, I took the "Redman" out to work on my form a little. Rob had noticed that I was leaning into my shots so, I wanted to practice and try and break that habit. I had a shoulder injury when I was deployed and I think that is what's causing me to lean in a little. The "Redman" is easier to practice with as it is only 45# @ my 29" draw. I shot at about 10yds just keep it simple.
   (http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/TradNut/101_0345.jpg)
real good "inline" form, tw.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 25, 2011, 05:33:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by longbowben:
 (http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj10/longbowben/DSC06795.jpg)
real nice form, ben.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 25, 2011, 05:34:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by WESTBROOK:
What a great thread this has been! Lots of great info and Purdy bows!

   (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h121/mandoman_2006/DSC01974.jpg)
just a real purty winter's day picture!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 25, 2011, 06:53:00 PM
Nice form TW... i have the problem of leaning into my shots. A combination of being blind in one eye , a previously crushed shoulder and too much # as a youngster. I remedied it with reinforcing proper head position ... draw to my anchor...not move my anchor to my hand !
Ain't nuthin better than seeing a well drawn Redman ! Good stuff ...

Great pics fella's !
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Post by: Wannabe1 on January 25, 2011, 06:58:00 PM
Rob/Ben, thanks for the comments. Ben, I think I might have been doing the same. I mean, moving my anchor to my hand. I also noticed that I am utilizing my back muscles more when I practiced today. Rob brought that point up on a PM to me a few days ago.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Molson on January 25, 2011, 08:00:00 PM
You guys are not helping the bow disease with all this Hill bow talk.  Now I find myself reading Hunting the Hard Way and Hitting 'Em Like Howard Hill again.  It looks like Craig has a stock bow that's just about perfect.  Hmmm...    :banghead:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: chubber on January 25, 2011, 08:15:00 PM
Rob,that adirondack looks alot like an abbott with those long fades.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 25, 2011, 08:21:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by chubber:
Rob,that adirondack looks alot like an abbott with those long fades.
yup, i agree, that's an abbott.  thanx!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 25, 2011, 08:22:00 PM
Molson...just do it ! Then you can sit up the back of the bus with the rest of us bad boys!
Which bow are looking at ?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Molson on January 25, 2011, 08:46:00 PM
I'm looking at that 66" 55@26 Halfbreed with the Ebony Riser and black glass.  Of course the 66" 55@27 Halfbreed with Chechen Riser and clear glass wouldn't be bad either!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Steve Clandinin on January 25, 2011, 08:54:00 PM
All this talk and no help from Rob and Mudd FORCED me to order a bow from HH,I made a new model a RED CHEETAH, 66", 56# @28",Basically a Hill Cheetah but instesd of Bamboo I got Yew cores with slight string follow .There is something about Yew.
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Post by: Orion on January 25, 2011, 08:56:00 PM
Wannabe:  Nothing wrong with leaning into the shot a little.  Take a look at pix of Howard Hill shooting.  He leaned in.  Straight up stance is more of a target stance.  Will lengthen your draw length, but there's nothing particularly magical about it. Do what works for you.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 25, 2011, 09:03:00 PM
Jerry, it's funny you should say that as I was just looking at one of my HH catalogs, and there is a 3 step draw sequence that Howard goes through. In the sequence, he looks like he is leaning a lot into the shot.

With that being said, I am not utilizing the full weight of my bow at my 29" draw, if I'm not pulling it to 29". It's something I am working to fix.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 25, 2011, 09:09:00 PM
i've read that howard leaned into the bow because he knowingly shot too short an arrow.  he even wrote about that.  looking at his height, his overall physique, the length of his arms and width of his shoulders, he could/should have been shooting 29" at the minimum, maybe more.  

leaning in shortens the draw length and makes it harder to use the back muscles.

not leaning into the bow is not a 'straight up target stance'.  none of this has anything to do with 'target archery'.  i played the target game for over 20 years - that and bowhunting are two different animals.   ;)    

but it is very true - do whatever works best for you as long as you have consistent good accuracy.
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Post by: leatherneck on January 25, 2011, 09:10:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Molson:
I'm looking at that 66" 55@26 Halfbreed with the Ebony Riser and black glass.  Of course the 66" 55@27 Halfbreed with Chechen Riser and clear glass wouldn't be bad either! [/QUOTE


I'm here to tell you,this bow is gorgeous!!!(66" 55@27) Jason sent it to me to try out cause I wanted to try a Hill bow. The yew on this bow was stunning. It just did not have the specs I wanted or it would not have gone back. I only shot about a dozen arrows through it and sent it back. Then I called in my order. You wont go wrong with this bow if it's one you want.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 25, 2011, 09:14:00 PM
Rob, your advice is good and it worked for me. By focusing more on my form, I was able to utilize the back muscles better and my draw seemed smoother. Don't know if that makes sense but, that's what it felt like to me.

Before, I think I was using the arm muscles more, and this was affecting my shoulder problem. Using the back muscles, made it easier to get to my full draw length.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 25, 2011, 09:20:00 PM
Maybe for the Shooters forum or off topic but as we are on the here , there is a BIG difference between leaning the body into a shot and leaning the head forward to meet the anchor... there is a bunch of Hill pics showing him NOT overtly leaning forward ...

I don't buy the 'upright is target form' argument ... I swing draw and if i need to lean into a shot it is done from the waist , that way everything stays aligned and lets me , albeit unconsciously, still use my back muscles.

Steve, that bow sounds gorgeous !
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 25, 2011, 09:26:00 PM
More imortantly...my bows got shipped today !

Robin Hood #13 will be making his Australian debut here on Tradgang at some stage over the coming weeks. To ensure he isn't lonely, he is bringing a friend with similiar specs ... T/D Mr Rhino ...
As a welcoming committee , there are a bunch of newly fletched douglas fir, tapered cedars and 2016's waiting their arrival ...

First stop on the Aussie tour will be my favourite stumping/roving mountain ...
Question is ... do i make myself one of Mudd's hats ?


Stay Tuned
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Raging Water on January 25, 2011, 11:47:00 PM
My Robin Hood Dual Shelf Bow.

1st picture is Righty and 2nd is Lefty. Oh, the Hat was made by Roy "Mudd" Williams. I am officially one of his Merry Men.

Matt "Little John Raging Water" Hamilton

  (http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/hemdell/A%20Dual%20Shelf%20Robin%20Hood/CIMG6656.jpg)   (http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/hemdell/A%20Dual%20Shelf%20Robin%20Hood/CIMG6658.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 25, 2011, 11:55:00 PM
Nice form, how is the lefty shooting going?
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Post by: Raging Water on January 25, 2011, 11:57:00 PM
I only shot 3 arrows lefty today and 6 righty. No time, man, no time.

I really hope to get some serious left handed practice in this weekend.

Interesting comment. Shooting lefty really makes me think about form and focus.

I think it is really going to help my right side the most.

Matt
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Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on January 26, 2011, 12:15:00 AM
Oooh, Ben, you lucky fellow! I'm looking forward to seeing the photos! And yes, I think you do need a hat!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on January 26, 2011, 11:03:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Ben Maher:
[QB] More imortantly...my bows got shipped today !

You lucky dog!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on January 26, 2011, 11:10:00 AM
Just looked back on a pic from earlier in the year and I lean a little in my shots. My back elbow could stand to be a touch lower but I'm bending at the waste. I would also have to take into consideration that I'm just drawing for a photo and not a shot so I'm kinda looking at the ground. I dont know,seems to work for me.Critique?

 (http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd312/sargeyriley/007-5.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Tommy D on January 26, 2011, 11:47:00 AM
I got the HH bug a few years ago, finally ordered a 70" Wesley Special back in Dec. of '07.

I shot it "ok" but I shoot my selfbow better, so it has spent the last 2+ years hanging on the bow rack.

Nice bows, just never quite got the hang of 'em.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: stik&string on January 26, 2011, 01:08:00 PM
I am officially asking permission to blame you guys when my wife questions what is in the "big box" that will arrive in a few weeks.  :jumper:    :laughing:    :laughing:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 26, 2011, 01:13:00 PM
Ya, I'm thinking they may need to start a forum for the "Wives of Hill Fans". That way they have a place to console each other and plot against us!   :D
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Molson on January 26, 2011, 01:24:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by leatherneck:
Just looked back on a pic from earlier in the year and I lean a little in my shots. My back elbow could stand to be a touch lower but I'm bending at the waste. I would also have to take into consideration that I'm just drawing for a photo and not a shot so I'm kinda looking at the ground. I dont know,seems to work for me.Critique?

   (http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd312/sargeyriley/007-5.jpg)
I never had problems shooting, and then for some dumb reason, I started worrying about my elbow being a little high to the point I gave myself a nice case of TP. As long as it's not up and out, and you're pulling with back tension, don't worry about it.  It might just be the way you shoot do to your body.

I will offer this Critique....  If you're killing things and you're happy, just shoot the bow!    :)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 26, 2011, 02:04:00 PM
Howards form was terrible according to others...nuff said!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: pavan on January 26, 2011, 02:34:00 PM
Hill form is doing all the same wrong things that Hill did and reducing down to match the individuals size and strength.  That quartering, goose necking, stick the butt out thing is not part of the form.  Actually Hill said that Swineheart was a better size for shooting longbows than he was. Hill perhaps reduced his draw some intentionally, sometimes he even drew less than 27", unintentionally.  As stated, Hill thought a 27" arrow was the best length arrow. Good thing his bow forgave him, for all that bad form.  Those bad form things did seem to work, for him and me.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 26, 2011, 02:47:00 PM
it's been said oodles of times before and worth re-iterating - as long as you can consistently hit what yer aiming at, yer shooting form is just fine, whatever it is.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kapellmeister on January 26, 2011, 02:50:00 PM
This bug is really contagious!   :eek:

(I just ordered an in-stock 68" Half Breed 55#@28" backset / yew on back & belly / bamboo core lams / walnut riser w/ laced elk hide)    :rolleyes:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 26, 2011, 02:54:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Kapellmeister:
This bug is really contagious!    :eek:  

(I just ordered an in-stock 68" Half Breed 55#@28" backset / yew on back & belly / bamboo core lams / walnut riser w/ laced elk hide)     :rolleyes:  
oooooooo, dat sounds nice!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 26, 2011, 03:13:00 PM
Pics when it arrives please!   :D    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Orion on January 26, 2011, 03:36:00 PM
Rob D. "it's been said oodles of times before and worth re-iterating - as long as you can consistently hit what yer aiming at, yer shooting form is just fine, whatever it is."

Rob:  That's the point I was trying to make. When I commented on leaning in, I was thinking more a slight tilt of the head than the body, but advice is the same regardless.  If it works, don't worry about it.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on January 26, 2011, 04:40:00 PM
kapellmeister-

We need pics when it arrives?

Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: pavan on January 26, 2011, 04:58:00 PM
Someone tried to sell me an old Tembo a while back that had a four pin sight on it, the side bracket kind. I was pretty certain those filled holes would drive me crazy, after i threw the sight away.  Some things are anathema.  While I don't care how anyone shoots their Hills, except one with a sight on it just brings a sarcastic devil out of me. An expert, with three whole years of compound experience, he never even tried to shoot it without the sights, nor could he get it back.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 26, 2011, 06:30:00 PM
Quote
 Someone tried to sell me an old Tembo a while back that had a four pin sight on it  
:laughing:    :laughing:    :laughing:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 26, 2011, 06:40:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by pavan:
Someone tried to sell me an old Tembo a while back that had a four pin sight on it, the side bracket kind. ...
that's like a harley with training wheels.    :eek:    :D
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 26, 2011, 07:02:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ben Maher:
 
quote:
 Someone tried to sell me an old Tembo a while back that had a four pin sight on it  
:knothead:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: pavan on January 26, 2011, 07:14:00 PM
The worst part was he wanted $20 more than he paid for it because of the cost of the sight.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on January 26, 2011, 07:17:00 PM
Now that part right there is real funny!  :laughing:    :laughing:  Not that the whole story isn't.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: K.S.TRAPPER on January 26, 2011, 07:28:00 PM
Are Hill bows a sponser??

If so can you tell me what there sponser name is so I can look them up  :D  

Tracy
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 26, 2011, 07:32:00 PM
i've sent emails to craig and talked with jason about supporting trad gang ... have never gotten an answer back.  

maybe they're all just too busy filling out trad gang member orders.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 26, 2011, 08:18:00 PM
Dan Toelke of Montana bows is a sponsor and he makes a very fine Hill style longbow. The fit and finish is as fine as I have ever seen and , although slightly reflexed his bows have minmal thump at the shot ... I mean really minimal..
Quick and quiet too !

Dan also has a great turnaround time much akin to Craig at Howard Hill.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kapellmeister on January 26, 2011, 08:25:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Wannabe1:
Pics when it arrives please!    :D      :thumbsup:  
Will do! Should be next week... can't wait!    :p
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kapellmeister on January 26, 2011, 08:27:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
i've sent emails to craig and talked with jason about supporting trad gang ... have never gotten an answer back.  

maybe they're all just too busy filling out trad gang member orders.
FWIW, right after I placed my order with Craig today I emailed him and mentioned all the good press he's getting here and that my order was heavily influenced by that as well... and encouraged him to become a sponsor.  We'll see...
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 26, 2011, 08:28:00 PM
I had a Half Breed last year I let go of.   :knothead:  It had a Bubinga riser with ebony limb tips. One smooth shooting bow!

Look forward to your thoughts on it.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on January 26, 2011, 08:31:00 PM
Bit me a while ago, so I can relate for sure. Just love the simplicity.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 26, 2011, 08:52:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Kapellmeister:
 
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
i've sent emails to craig and talked with jason about supporting trad gang ... have never gotten an answer back.  

maybe they're all just too busy filling out trad gang member orders.
FWIW, right after I placed my order with Craig today I emailed him and mentioned all the good press he's getting here and that my order was heavily influenced by that as well... and encouraged him to become a sponsor.  We'll see... [/b]
real kind of you to do that, gene - thanx!  :wavey:     :campfire:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Cookus on January 26, 2011, 09:28:00 PM
I mentioned the site as well last week when I ordered some strings...
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Raging Water on January 26, 2011, 09:34:00 PM
I am sending Craig the link to this thread.

I am going to push him to be a sponsor or I will quit buying Howard Hill Bows.

Nah, he'll never believe that!  :archer:  

Matt
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: stik&string on January 27, 2011, 12:10:00 AM
I also mentioned that if it wasn't for this site I would not have placed my order today.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Steve Clandinin on January 27, 2011, 12:12:00 AM
I also placed my order last week because of our site.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 27, 2011, 12:49:00 AM
I have mentioned tradgang to Craig at least once and have sent him some different links from here for his reading pleasure..lol

God bless,Mudd

PS: The truth be know I wouldn't have ordered the "Robin Hood" if it weren't for some things I read on here.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Buckwheaties on January 27, 2011, 01:28:00 AM
I talked to Craig this morning concerning my Robin Hood bow and after discussing our business, I told him about the 40+ pages on Trad Gang concerning his bows and how so many people loved them. I mentioned that alot of the orders he was receiving were from member on here. I tried to see if he was getting more work than his small business could handle?, and that maybe he didn't need any more advertising? but seeing as that wasn't really any of my business, he didn't comment one way or the other.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on January 27, 2011, 03:38:00 AM
While waiting on more juicy pics of the corporate addiction, I have a question.  

It is common knowledge that bamboo is the most suitable material for limbs (core/backing) but what is the true net benefit (or deficit) of any of the exotic woods when they are sandwiched between glass?  Does it really matter that much?

I truly love the look of Yew in a longbow like the "Robin Hood" Hill bow.  Someone posted about ordering a "half breed" of Yew outer lams with two lams of boo for the core...I think that would be a beaut but wonder about performance.

Lately I have been polling a few of you and it seems that, generally speaking, you cannot see much if any difference between your Hills.

Still leaning toward a Tembo or Big 5 but mostly because, in my ignorance I feel the bamboo is much better performance wise.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 27, 2011, 06:55:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Macatawa:
While waiting on more juicy pics of the corporate addiction, I have a question.  

It is common knowledge that bamboo is the most suitable material for limbs (core/backing) but what is the true net benefit (or deficit) of any of the exotic woods when they are sandwiched between glass?  Does it really matter that much?

I truly love the look of Yew in a longbow like the "Robin Hood" Hill bow.  Someone posted about ordering a "half breed" of Yew outer lams with two lams of boo for the core...I think that would be a beaut but wonder about performance.

Lately I have been polling a few of you and it seems that, generally speaking, you cannot see much if any difference between your Hills.

Still leaning toward a Tembo or Big 5 but mostly because, in my ignorance I feel the bamboo is much better performance wise.
i love the typically smooooooth feel of all bamboo/cane limbs on the draw.  in the long run, imo a bow is also about the design and crafting execution, and lesser about the limb materials, and almost nothing about the riser materials.

my next immediate longbow will be a craig tembo t/d ... i vow that the fun will never ever end until i've been dusted and sprinkled.   :)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: GingivitisKahn on January 27, 2011, 07:08:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Wannabe1:
I had a Half Breed last year I let go of.     :knothead:    It had a Bubinga riser with ebony limb tips. One smooth shooting bow!

Look forward to your thoughts on it.
Sounds beautiful.  I'll bet it was hard to part with.  Did you at least trade for another Hill?

    :bigsmyl:

For no good reason, here's an older pic of my Halfbreed...
 (http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff187/GingivitisKahn/20081213_ac_hh04.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: K.S.TRAPPER on January 27, 2011, 07:16:00 AM
Thanks Ben for the info I will check it out   :thumbsup:  

I love the Hill style bows and it's to bad it Sounds like Craig doesn't want to join Tradgang at all. This thread has gone on a long time and helped his business I'm sure.

Has anybody added up how many bows have been ordered because of several threads about his bows. That might help him change his mind  :)  

Tracy
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 27, 2011, 07:25:00 AM
i just found an email from craig, that he sent very late last night.  i think we're starting a dialogue about howard hill archery becoming a trad gang sponsor.  we'll see ...
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on January 27, 2011, 08:39:00 AM
It's funny, I spoke to Jason last week at Howard Hill Archery and told him about the thread. I also told him about the interest in my new bow with the carmelized limbs.
 
Rob-
Could Howard Hill Archery have a meeting place on the site. Somewhere that us Hill enthusists can sit by the camp fire and share hunting stories,and videos, about with our Hill bows.

Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 27, 2011, 10:44:00 AM
perhaps a 'hill style longbows' forum?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 27, 2011, 11:34:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
perhaps a 'hill style longbows' forum?
I like the idea but would want to be sure we didn't come off as being elitists just because of the style of bows we choose to shoot.

We aren't any better or worse than any others who choose to shoot bows other than "hill style" bows.

Just thinking out loud.(so to speak)

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: WESTBROOK on January 27, 2011, 11:53:00 AM
Quote
perhaps a 'hill style longbows' forum?
Now your talkin!

and ditto what Mudd said.

Eric
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: WESTBROOK on January 27, 2011, 11:57:00 AM
I'm gonna talk with Steve Turay at Kzoo this weekend and lean on him a little about being a sponsor.

Eric
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 27, 2011, 12:08:00 PM
Jim, I didn't trade it off. I sold it for some personal reasons. It was hard to let go of as it was a perfect specimen of a Hill bow. 69", 45# @ 29" and a real pleasure to shoot. I'll have another some day maybe.    :D  I've posted this pic several times but, here it is again. Me shooting the Half Breed.

 (http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/TradNut/2009_0124TW090003.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Molson on January 27, 2011, 12:29:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
perhaps a 'hill style longbows' forum?
Yeah but then you miss the spontaneity of a 40 page Hill thread showing up on Pow Wow for all to enjoy!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 27, 2011, 12:34:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Molson:
   
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
perhaps a 'hill style longbows' forum?
Yeah but then you miss the spontaneity of a 40 page Hill thread showing up on Pow Wow for all to enjoy! [/b]
that is so true.  however, it would be nice to collate and save these kinda threads for posterity at the least, and reference at the best ... ?

if so, a read-only 'hill style longbows' thread archive forum might be more viable ... ?

or perhaps, an 'American Flat Longbow' forum?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 27, 2011, 12:43:00 PM
:cool:  Sounds like a good idea.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 27, 2011, 01:13:00 PM
I have suggested the idea before but agree that American flat bow archive forum would be better, more inclusive and I agree with the ever wise Mudd

Amercian Flatbow Archive forum ... heck yeah !   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on January 27, 2011, 05:21:00 PM
Oh, yeah....I agree with that idea too.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 27, 2011, 05:26:00 PM
Sounds like a winner!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Cookus on January 27, 2011, 06:03:00 PM
I like the idea of an "American Flat Longbow" forum!   I also agree with Mudd's logic on this issue.   You've assembled the troops Rob... So how soon do we charge?   :)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on January 27, 2011, 06:09:00 PM
Add Me to the Hill list. I just Got a Jerry Hill (http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=099583)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 27, 2011, 06:51:00 PM
Welcome to the campfire Sal! It's gettin bigger all the time!  :clapper:  

Spanky
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 27, 2011, 06:57:00 PM
From Rob...
Quote
i just found an email from craig, that he sent very late last night. i think we're starting a dialogue about howard hill archery becoming a trad gang sponsor. we'll see  
... Cool !
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Raging Water on January 27, 2011, 09:49:00 PM
I like the idea of an Amreican Flat Bow forum. Good Idea!

Matt
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Raging Water on January 27, 2011, 09:51:00 PM
On second thought. I'd like to pay tribute to Howard Hill.

So, I vote for Hill "Style" Longbow Forum

Matt
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on January 27, 2011, 09:59:00 PM
I think the idea of an archive is a great idea.  
I do agree with Mudd's comment as well.  

Personally, if this thread was not found within the general "mix" of the PowWow, I would have never seen it and surely would have missed this opportunity.  

You guys have taken me back many years - to where it all began.  I am almost as excited about shooting a Hill as I am about returning to America.

I think all of the TG'ers are great but somehow I feel at home with you guys..  Really looking forward to meeting many of you.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on January 27, 2011, 10:05:00 PM
Rob, you are the Trad Techie...I have a question: Is it possible to have a thread accessed (not just "read only") from two different forums?  Can you mirror this one to be alive in two places?

That would be too cool!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Swiftspeed10 on January 27, 2011, 10:11:00 PM
:campfire:  I wish I was taller so I could shoot a huge 70" longbow hehe.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: droz il on January 27, 2011, 10:51:00 PM
I would also like to have a Hill Style or American flatbow forum.
Dale
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 27, 2011, 11:06:00 PM
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: pavan on January 27, 2011, 11:32:00 PM
How about a Howard Hill forum and all bows are welcome.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Claymore on January 28, 2011, 01:59:00 AM
(http://P1000501.jpgpictur) Howard Hill Cougar. Paduk Riser Honey Locust and Bamboo limbs.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SteveL on January 28, 2011, 02:01:00 AM
Count me in on an American Flatbow or Hill Style Fourm. I never have as much fun shooting a bow as I do when I pick up my Hills or Northern Mists. Pure playful joy I say.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Claymore on January 28, 2011, 02:13:00 AM
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k586/Claymore51/P1000501.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Claymore on January 28, 2011, 02:17:00 AM
It's real pretty. You  Will just have to take my word for it.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on January 28, 2011, 02:56:00 AM
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k586/Claymore51/P1000501.jpg)

Here you go; too many [IMG] thingies.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 28, 2011, 03:40:00 AM
Northern Ben , which one is that ?
 A new one ?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Claymore on January 28, 2011, 03:49:00 AM
Cocobolo riser Wesley.   (http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k586/Claymore51/2007-07-22004.jpg?t=1296203971)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on January 28, 2011, 04:35:00 AM
No, no, Southern Ben! It's Claymore's! My new one is still in the works, I s'pose.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on January 28, 2011, 04:35:00 AM
Nice bows, too, Claymore!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 28, 2011, 05:05:00 AM
Right ,,, a bit slow I am !
Yep..sweet sticks Claymore !
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 28, 2011, 05:15:00 AM
something old but new headed my way ...

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/DSCF1185.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/DSCF1184.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/DSCF1186.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/DSCF1187.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/DSCF1188.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 28, 2011, 05:19:00 AM
Black glass Big Five ...
Can you say "classic " ?
It just symbolizes what i consider to be a ' longbow'..
Specs Rob ? Looks like an older one .....
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 28, 2011, 05:26:00 AM
And if ya'll get Craig here at Tradgang ... tell him I'll order me a new t/d Redman just to celebrate it ...
And if that is the case ...
after nearly 700 posts on this thread alone .....
perhaps a group order special edition ?    :bigsmyl:    

My vote would be a
Redman
String Follow
Ebony Riser ...

What say you fellow Hillsters ?    :coffee:    

Is this extortion by Longbow purchase power ?       :goldtooth:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 28, 2011, 05:37:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Ben Maher:
Black glass Big Five ...
Can you say "classic " ?
It just symbolizes what i consider to be a ' longbow'..
Specs Rob ? Looks like an older one .....
yep, and old one - 68", 50# @ 29", handle reworked from the old wedge/teardrop to rounded, bow refinished after adding a lace-up elk hide grip and arrow shelf plate.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 28, 2011, 05:41:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Macatawa:
Rob, you are the Trad Techie...I have a question: Is it possible to have a thread accessed (not just "read only") from two different forums?  Can you mirror this one to be alive in two places?

That would be too cool!
it would be cool, but not possible since a true mirrored thread would need simultaneous updating and this, or any other forum software, couldn't do that.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: cacciatore on January 28, 2011, 05:48:00 AM
It looks that  HH is the most popular brand here!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on January 28, 2011, 06:34:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
 [/qb]
it would be cool, but not possible since a true mirrored thread would need simultaneous updating and this, or any other forum software, couldn't do that. [/QB][/QUOTE]

Oh...too bad!
Well, I haven't been here long enough to have a vote - y'all do your thing and don't forget to leave some directions. This is the first thread I look for and sometimes the only one..

My wife thinks I am nuts.  Staring at pictures of what she thinks is the same bow...over 'n over. I agree with her...LOL    :p
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Claymore on January 28, 2011, 07:08:00 AM
Thanks Rob and Ben for the help.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 28, 2011, 07:11:00 AM
lovely bow there, clyde - my paduak risered big 5 due to ship next week.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Claymore on January 28, 2011, 07:22:00 AM
Can't wait to see it myself.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kevin L. on January 28, 2011, 07:30:00 AM
Nice Cougar!! I've never tried honey locust in a bow before. How does it compare to the other wood/bamboo combo limbs from Craig?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Roger G on January 28, 2011, 07:31:00 AM
This Houard Hill site has been around for some time, and is excellent   http://www.howardhillshooters.com/
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 28, 2011, 08:02:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Roger G:
This Houard Hill site has been around for some time, andd is excellent    http://www.howardhillshooters.com/  
that's trad gang member dick wightman's site, which mirrors to his  www.howardhilllongbowmen.com (http://www.howardhilllongbowmen.com)  - one of the best hill sites on the web, and dick is one of the biggest hill fans around, not to mention a fine bowyer of hill style longbows for his own muse and pleasure.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 28, 2011, 08:07:00 AM
Rob and claymore beautiful bows.Claymore could we see the limb pictures?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: sorefingers on January 28, 2011, 08:18:00 AM
I have had some D bows but never owned or shot a HH yet. Must be something to them guess I will have to check it out. Never know I may get bit too
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 28, 2011, 08:23:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by sorefingers:
I have had some D bows but never owned or shot a HH yet. Must be something to them guess I will have to check it out. Never know I may get bit too
imo, there is a significant difference 'tween r/d "D" and "hill style D" longbows.  this has been covered already in a topic that compares mohawk and howard hill longbows ...

 hh and mohawk (http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=098514#000000)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 28, 2011, 08:35:00 AM
I have been doing a little bow trading....again!!..lol

Two more are headed my way. Both are the 70", my longest yet.

Wesley Special 70" and 50 @28, the other is a "Cheetah" 70" and 50@28.

These are samples...lol I'll get some pictures up when they arrive.
 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/DSCF1181.jpg)

 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Howard%20Hill%20bows/004600x450.jpg)

Hi my name is Mudd and I'm a "Bowaholic"!!

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 28, 2011, 08:38:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Mudd:
... the other is a "Cheetah" 70" and 50@28.
...
AHAH!  it was you that snagged mike's cheetah!  :D   :thumbsup:

i got his big 5! heheheheh!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on January 28, 2011, 08:47:00 AM
Gluttons!!   :p
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 28, 2011, 08:52:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Macatawa:
Gluttons!!    :p  
guilty as charged!  :D
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on January 28, 2011, 09:08:00 AM
Claymore- Nice looking bow you have there.

Rob, I like the shelf on that old one. I almost ordered my Wes with the Paduak as well but......

Mudd-Thats a pretty deep looking locator on that bow. Me likes!!!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Claymore on January 28, 2011, 09:32:00 AM
Nice Cougar!! I've never tried honey locust in a bow before. How does it compare to the other wood/bamboo combo limbs from Craig?

Kevin my Cougar has 3 lambs of Bamboo between the outer lambs of Honey Locust. It is very smooth. Probably not quite as smooth a my Wesley. Bamboo is going to be hard to beat.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Claymore on January 28, 2011, 09:34:00 AM
longbowman I will post some pics of the Honey Locust for you tonight.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 28, 2011, 09:53:00 AM
Thanks.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 28, 2011, 10:00:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
[qb]     Originally posted by Macatawa:
    Gluttons!! [Razz]

guilty as charged! [Big Grin]
   :D       :thumbsup:  
____________________________________________________
Dang it, You got me too!!    :rolleyes:      :p  

God bless, Mudd     :archer:        :goldtooth:  

    :biglaugh:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 28, 2011, 10:12:00 AM
back to the thoughts of a 'hill style' forum ...

in the long run, there'd be little benefit to such a category as the content would be more sizzle than beef, for a number of reasons.  

what???  

well, in perusing this thread there's about 20% of content that's worthy of archiving - pics of bows, analysis of design and different bowyers, good input from lots of members - the rest is pretty much 'fluff', which is great banter but not stuff worthy of a meaningful archive.

the powwow is the main campfire, where everyone is drawn to and eventually gets to see and participate in all threads of relevant meaning.  whenever a new topic forum splinters off, the activity there dwindles and, more importantly, new member input is missing 'cause the topic is not in the mainstream view (powwow).

if such a forum were archival read-only, that would require a snapshot of the powwow hill topic be taken and loaded to the new forum.  since this thread is now in it's 47th page and is going on a month old, when will it end ... if ever?

perhaps when this thread begins to peter out a few months from now (???) it will be archival worthy.

your thoughts?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on January 28, 2011, 10:39:00 AM
I totally agree Rob. It is in the mainstream while on PowWow. I think if it's moved it will dwindle down. It's been fun surfing on here and going back and forth to other threads. Not to mention lets see how far it actually goes. Does it really matter if we move it? It seems to be working just fine where it is.IMO.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 28, 2011, 10:47:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by leatherneck:
I totally agree Rob. It is in the mainstream while on PowWow. I think if it's moved it will dwindle down. It's been fun surfing on here and going back and forth to other threads. Not to mention lets see how far it actually goes. Does it really matter if we move it? It seems to be working just fine where it is.IMO.
I know it's cliche" but it's so true, "If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it!"

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on January 28, 2011, 10:52:00 AM
Claymore- I like the bows, especially the one with the cocobola riser, love cocobola.

Mudd- The bows look good, what riser material is in the 2nd bow picture?


Rob- One of the reasons that I mentioned the Hill forum, was to have a place where you can go for only information on the Hill style longbows. It would be a place for the experienced and the unexperienced Hill shooter, it would be a place to post pics of Hill bows, and pics of gatherings of Hill hunters. It would be a Hill archive.

The thread would also provide the link/web-address to Dick's site the  www.howardhilllongbowmen.com (http://www.howardhilllongbowmen.com)  because Dick's site is already established with lots of useful information for the Hill enthusist. The website is loaded with information about Howard Hill and Hill's bows, it's a Hill history book and a Hill manuel.

Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Raging Water on January 28, 2011, 11:40:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by leatherneck:
I totally agree Rob. It is in the mainstream while on PowWow. I think if it's moved it will dwindle down. It's been fun surfing on here and going back and forth to other threads. Not to mention lets see how far it actually goes. Does it really matter if we move it? It seems to be working just fine where it is.IMO.
:clapper:  

I have reversed my view and I agree with this point.

Not to knock other styles of bows but "Hill Style" bows are about as Traditional as it gets.

Matt
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 28, 2011, 11:47:00 AM
With all the bows to come this thread is going to go for a while,Im 1 to 2 weeks away.  :archer:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 28, 2011, 11:51:00 AM
I may be called "wishy-washy" but tradlongbow makes a great argument for something that is worth at least looking into further. (IMHO)

I can be convinced(maybe) and if that becomes true then my opinion and about 2 bucks will get you a cup of coffee in some places...lol

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 28, 2011, 12:03:00 PM
48 pages and going strong! So, let me brag a little about my Wesley Special, which is sorta "special". It has five laminations of laminated bamboo or "lamboo" and is carbon backed. Lamboo is not a cataloged item and you have to ask Craig about it. He glues up his bamboo lams, cures it, and then cuts new laminations from the edge side. Add in the carbon and you get a totally different feel and performance level. Neat, huh? Anyway, here are some pics:

 (http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/bard9l/IMG_0696.jpg)

And it has Water buffalo horn tip overlays.

 (http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/bard9l/IMG_0686.jpg)

And it makes for very thin laminations, very quick recovery, very fast too.

 (http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/bard9l/IMG_0682.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 28, 2011, 12:12:00 PM
Ooooh, man that is one sweet looking Hill! Very nice.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 28, 2011, 12:13:00 PM
Man!  Wowshers!!

Danny that is an awesome looking Hill!!

I hope that you and I get to shoot together sometime in hopes that i could talk you into just letting me handle it. I would be asking too much to fling an arrow from something of that caliber.

Thanks for sharing.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on January 28, 2011, 12:20:00 PM
Danny-

One of the first things that I noticed when I saw the side view of the limbs were how much thinner they are then the typical Hill bow. Craig must use much thinner laminations with the carbon and lamboo together. I really like the profile of the limb tips as well. Is that an Ebony riser?

Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 28, 2011, 12:22:00 PM
Mudd -
It is an awesome shooting bow, and I'd be honored and happy to have you shoot any bow that I might have in the stable.

Darren -
Yes, that is ebony. Here is a pic with a scale. You can tell that each lam is right at a 32nd of an inch.

 (http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/bard9l/IMG_0688.jpg)
Danny
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 28, 2011, 12:24:00 PM
What a looker, congrats on a great bow.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on January 28, 2011, 05:32:00 PM
That is a sweet bow indeed.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Claymore on January 28, 2011, 05:35:00 PM
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k586/Claymore51/P1000499.jpg)

Honey Locust
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Claymore on January 28, 2011, 06:54:00 PM
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k586/Claymore51/P1000504-1.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: RC on January 28, 2011, 07:19:00 PM
Ric O`shay, My Big Five is made out of the lamboo you have in your Wesley. A Fine bow.RC

 (http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/IMG_1325.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 28, 2011, 07:21:00 PM
RC -
Yes sir, that lamboo makes one (in this case two) fine bows!

   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on January 28, 2011, 07:23:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Raging Water:
 
quote:
Originally posted by leatherneck:
I totally agree Rob. It is in the mainstream while on PowWow. I think if it's moved it will dwindle down. It's been fun surfing on here and going back and forth to other threads. Not to mention lets see how far it actually goes. Does it really matter if we move it? It seems to be working just fine where it is.IMO.
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Molson on January 28, 2011, 09:56:00 PM
Well we're on our way back from Kzoo.  Made the mistake of stopping at the Northern Mist booth and shooting the Sheldon and the Classic.  Ordered me a 68" Classic and ordered my son one too!  Those Northern Mists are mighty fine shooters!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 28, 2011, 10:10:00 PM
Molson, look forward to pics of the Classic. I've often wondered how they shot. Almost got one year before last but, backed out at the last minute.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 28, 2011, 10:34:00 PM
Thats one fine looking bow  :D
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 28, 2011, 10:44:00 PM
Here's a few pics of a NM Classic that I had with Macassar and Myrtle. Beautiful bow and a nice shooter, unfortunately the grip turned out to be too small and I couldn't shoot it well so it moved on. Steve builds a very nice bow for sure.

Spanky

 (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/Northern%20Mist%20Classic/IMG_0151.jpg)
 (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/Northern%20Mist%20Classic/IMG_0150.jpg)
 (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/Northern%20Mist%20Classic/IMG_0158.jpg)
 (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/Northern%20Mist%20Classic/IMG_0159.jpg)
 (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/Northern%20Mist%20Classic/IMG_0155.jpg)
 (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/Northern%20Mist%20Classic/IMG_0157.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Raging Water on January 28, 2011, 10:58:00 PM
Here are three Hills. I love them.

  (http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/hemdell/Howard%20Hill%20Bows/CIMG6226.jpg)


My Standing Bear 68" 80# at 28"

  (http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/hemdell/Howard%20Hill%20Bows/CIMG6227.jpg)  (http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/hemdell/Howard%20Hill%20Bows/CIMG6228.jpg)

My Black Badger
  (http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/hemdell/Howard%20Hill%20Bows/CIMG6224.jpg)

My Black Badger Riser with Silver Cross Inlay
 
  (http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/hemdell/Black%20Badger/HHBadgerCross.jpg)

My 66" 85# at 28 Half Breed

  (http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/hemdell/HH%20Half%20Breed/CIMG5611.jpg)   (http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/hemdell/HH%20Half%20Breed/CIMG5601.jpg)   (http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/hemdell/HH%20Half%20Breed/CIMG5610.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Okie man on January 28, 2011, 10:58:00 PM
I came down with a bad case of the HH bamboo flu about 6 years ago. It is a pesky virus that attacks the brain. I was having delusions of grandeur that made me believe if I shot a Hill style bow that someday I could shoot like Mr. Hill. The symptoms subsided somewhat or the virus morphed when I shot a JD Berry Vixen. It is Mr. Berry's version of a Hill style bow and it has yew limb cores. I bought it used and have sold my Hills. Now I have the JDB yew flu. This has been a bad flu season.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 28, 2011, 11:04:00 PM
Dang it! I need to get one of those plastic covers for my key board.

Slobbers and electronics don't mix all that well..lol

Thanks for sharing.... I think!

God bless,Mudd

PS: photos like these gives a "bowaholic the shakes too!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on January 29, 2011, 04:06:00 AM
Mudd said:
PS: photos like these gives a "bowaholic the shakes too!

Calling all hands!!  Keep a sharp eye on Mudd, I think he just fell off the wagon again.  

Poor fella.       :p
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: JEFF B on January 29, 2011, 05:15:00 AM
man you guys aint right in the head to many Bows LOL!!!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on January 29, 2011, 08:56:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by RC:
Ric O`shay, My Big Five is made out of the lamboo you have in your Wesley. A Fine bow.RC

  (http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/IMG_1325.jpg)
RC, is that "lamboo" the same stuff most bowyers use in their limbs?  The pic looks like the strips are much wider.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on January 29, 2011, 09:53:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by SpankyNeal:
Here's a few pics of a NM Classic that I had with Macassar and Myrtle. Beautiful bow and a nice shooter, unfortunately the grip turned out to be too small and I couldn't shoot it well so it moved on. Steve builds a very nice bow for sure.

Spanky

  (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/Northern%20Mist%20Classic/IMG_0151.jpg)
  (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/Northern%20Mist%20Classic/IMG_0150.jpg)
  (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/Northern%20Mist%20Classic/IMG_0158.jpg)
  (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/Northern%20Mist%20Classic/IMG_0159.jpg)
  (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/Northern%20Mist%20Classic/IMG_0155.jpg)
  (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/Northern%20Mist%20Classic/IMG_0157.jpg)
Spanky-Next time you want to get rid of a beautiful bow like that,please call me first!!!!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Raging Water on January 29, 2011, 01:42:00 PM
There is another Hill Trhead gowing. I think it says "Hill style bows... why all the sudden?".

The post largely centers on performance bows and that kind of stuff. This was my last post on that thread.....

I have a 64" 83# at 28" one PC Mild R/D Pronghorn. I have a 66" 85# at 28" Howard Hill Half Breed.

The R/D Pronghorn is definately faster and hits the target like a mule. But, my Half Breed groups are tighter.

Maybe its the arrow, maybe its the length, maybe its the grip, WHATEVER? The end result is, I still grab my HH first. Don't know why. Just do.

Matt
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Molson on January 29, 2011, 06:01:00 PM
Wow that Myrtle is nice!  All these bows look great. I just went for the classic black glass with American Elm limbs and a Shedua riser.  Got the green glass on my son's bow.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 29, 2011, 07:38:00 PM
Man I love green glass on one side or the other. Ever since I saw a Hill Centennial the first time I knew I had to have one with green glass...awesome!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Raging Water on January 29, 2011, 10:00:00 PM
I realized that I was spending way too much time discussing why I like Hill Style bows.

I stopped typing. I grabbed my HH 85# Half Breed, HH 55# Dual Shelf Robin Hood, 83# Mild RD Pronghorn, and my D Shaped 74# BamaBow.

I spent the next two hours shooting all four bows and had a great time. I must have shot well over 200 arrows.

I spent most of my time going from the 85# HH to the 55# Hill. The Pronghorn is faster and amazingly I was more accurate with my BamaBow (that bow and I get along real well).

But, at the end of the day, the Hill’s were still my favorites.

BTW, after shooting at least 60 arrows thru my 85# HH Half Breed, I was amazed at how easy it was to draw the 55# HH Robin Hood.

Less typing, more shooting!

Matt
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Raging Water on January 29, 2011, 10:02:00 PM
Oh, and the Dual Shelf String Follow HH Robin Hood is making it easy for me to learn to shoot lefty.

At 55# at 28", I am overbowed shooting lefty. I know that. But, give me a couple of weeks and it will be easy.

Matt
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SteveL on January 29, 2011, 10:39:00 PM
My Hills are like my dachshunds to me. I love the rascals but don't necessarily recommend them. I think compared to some newer designs, especially the mild and more radical f/d bows, a true hill type can be more difficult to master. But once you have it, you have it and there is no turning back it seems.

I go through periods where I hear the siren song of a sexy recurve or a snappy radical reflex deflex bow and hang the Hill on the wall. It never lasts long though and all of a sudden I'm back with my straight end bows. I'm not sure it's rational but the pleasure and fun I get out of good ol straight end bow is in a whole nother ball park.

Here are a couple of pics of my favorite and most shot bow of all. It's a 69" 53@28 clear glass belly and back, Howard Hill Big 5. Just put a new handle wrap on her too.

 (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff43/Reddog_300/110_1057.jpg)
 (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff43/Reddog_300/110_1054.jpg)
 (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff43/Reddog_300/110_1056.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on January 29, 2011, 10:47:00 PM
Nice bow, Steve!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SteveL on January 29, 2011, 10:50:00 PM
Thanks! Ben
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 29, 2011, 10:53:00 PM
Steve, that is a good looking bow. Looks like you've been taking real good care of her.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 29, 2011, 11:12:00 PM
Real nice Steve!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on January 30, 2011, 01:30:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Raging Water:
Oh, and the Dual Shelf String Follow HH Robin Hood is making it easy for me to learn to shoot lefty.

At 55# at 28", I am overbowed shooting lefty. I know that. But, give me a couple of weeks and it will be easy.

Matt
Matt, I have read you several times as you mention shooting "lefty".  I have never considered doing that - maybe because I never had a bow that would accomodate that effort.

Seems a difficult challenge to me...do you just want to be a switch-hitter?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tg2nd on January 30, 2011, 02:40:00 AM
50 pages! Unbelievable!
Go on!!!!!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: pavan on January 30, 2011, 04:04:00 AM
Dem dare d style bows is funny lookin'.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on January 30, 2011, 04:14:00 AM
Steve, I like you "Big 5"

The grip is dang near straight - maybe a hint of locator.  Did you order that special?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 30, 2011, 06:09:00 AM
maca - it's good to work the opposing muscles for 'balance', so a few times a week i'll pull a bow lefty (i'm a righty).
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on January 30, 2011, 09:58:00 AM
Maca-That looks like the dished grip on Steves bow. But I could be wrong.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on January 30, 2011, 10:28:00 AM
Rob...

Thanks!  You are an endless source of info...perfect timing for me..I appreciate it.

---------------------------------
Leather...

 Yeah that is what I thought when I first looked at it but it seemed straight up to a point about an inch below the shelf.  I am just so curious about every detail of these bows...thanks!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on January 30, 2011, 10:38:00 AM
Actually the bow I test drove had a dish and I had to look real close to tell the difference from the straight. Thats why I ordered the locator grip. Keep in mind I'm used to a R/D bow grip so Hill owners might see the difference easier than I did. But it did not appear that much different.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Raging Water on January 30, 2011, 10:57:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Macatawa:
 
Quote
Originally posted by Raging Water:
Oh, and the Dual Shelf String Follow HH Robin Hood is making it easy for me to learn to shoot lefty.

At 55# at 28", I am overbowed shooting lefty. I know that. But, give me a couple of weeks and it will be easy.

Matt
Matt, I have read you several times as you mention shooting "lefty".  I have never considered doing that - maybe because I never had a bow that would accomodate that effort.

Seems a difficult challenge to me...do you just want to be a switch-hitter? [/b]
Well, Like Rob says it develops both sides of your muscle groups. I did it because, my friend Leo Markert, said I woud improve my overall shooting and you never know if you'll need that skill.

I am so right handed that my right arm is made of steel compared to my left. Interestingly, it was not my left "string arm" that was "getting tired" it was my right arm from holding the bow up and out. That suprised me.

In the end, it don't want to be so unbalanced in muscle strength. I can draw 90# righty so I better be able to work up to around 75# lefty (some day).

Matt
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kevin L. on January 30, 2011, 03:06:00 PM
OK, we got some good weather today, so I went out and took some pics.
L-R: 1. HH Wesley Special, 66" 55@27, cocobolo riser and overlays. Dished grip.
2. HH Cheetah 66" 58@28, extra lam of bamboo so 3 bamboo and two juniper,cocobolo riser and tips, glossy finish. Slight locator grip.
3. Appalachian Archery Middle Mountain longbow by Dave Guthrie, 68" 60@28, elm limbs and walnut riser and overlays (I think). Locator grip.
4. Another Appy Middle Mountain, 66' 57@26, 4 lams of juniper and cocobolo riser and overlays. Locator grip. This was my first trad bow and has been over the river and through the woods more than once. I should get it refinished sometime soon.
5. Bighorn Tamarack #36 by Ron Maulding, 68" 57@28, 4 lams of tamarack with a maple riser. Brown 'glass, no tip overlays. Locator grip.

 (http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d47/Kevinl2067/Bows/DSCF2039-1.jpg)

 (http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d47/Kevinl2067/Bows/DSCF2040-1.jpg)

 (http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d47/Kevinl2067/Bows/DSCF2042-1-1.jpg)

 (http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d47/Kevinl2067/Bows/DSCF2043-1.jpg)

The Wesley is the smoothest but the Appy that I started this trail with is still my favorite.

Kevin
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 30, 2011, 03:53:00 PM
Those are some beauties Kevin!

Spanky
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Cookus on January 30, 2011, 05:28:00 PM
Those are some beauties Kevin!   I took my Wesley (52# @ 26... I shoot 28") for a walk this afternoon in the snow and worked on form.   I'm currently playing with some 2018's with 225 grain field points and I think I've got a winner!   My best shooting partner (the Mrs. of course!) was unable to attend or take pictures since we're expecting in April.   The other 4 kids turned their back on their Maddog pups as well as dad for the excitement of sled riding!   What a great Sunday afternoon spent after church!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kevin L. on January 30, 2011, 06:14:00 PM
Thanks guys, I'm really partial to that style.

Kenny, where in WV are ya from? I'm originally from Wayne Co. and have family over in the Huntington area.

Kevin
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Cookus on January 30, 2011, 07:18:00 PM
I'm from Martinsburg in the eastern panhandle... Just north of you down I-81.   The smallmouth fishing in your neck of the woods is awesome!   Ever try to rig one of your Hills to blast gar on the James River or Stuarts Draft?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kevin L. on January 30, 2011, 08:14:00 PM
Nope, never did. I'm pretty partial to chasing those little Brookies up on the Blue Ridge with a bamboo rod. But I have been known to take a canoe and a box of poppers chasing those smallies between my place and yours.

Let me know if you get down this way, we'll shoot some.

Kevin
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Cookus on January 30, 2011, 08:28:00 PM
Sounds good Kevin!   On the same note fellas, who bowfishes with their Hills?   C'mon don't be shy to show us your setups!   It's almost the season (we're praying!!!)...   Hero shots will do!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 30, 2011, 09:08:00 PM
I didn't want to start another thread but, I would like to know what broad heads folks are shooting from their Hills?   :help:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on January 30, 2011, 09:11:00 PM
160 Glue on snuffers
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 30, 2011, 09:17:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Wannabe1:
I didn't want to start another thread but, I would like to know what broad heads folks are shooting from their Hills?    :help:  
honestly, as long as it's a coc broadhead, it really doesn't matter, there are dozens of great broadheads out there in varying weights from 100 to well over 250 grains each.  

same thing for the shaft material - try one type, try 'em all.  

bet if howard was alive right now, and in his hey-day top physical condition, he'd have a ball with all the tackle he could be playing with ...
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 30, 2011, 09:22:00 PM
I wish I could afford to try them all!   :D  I like 2 blade heads as they are easier to remove from the back quiver. I am going to use the Stos head and was looking to see how many used that head.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 30, 2011, 09:34:00 PM
I like a head that has the back edge cut at an angle like the Tusker or Abowyer for singles and just about any of the double edge heads as they seem to come out of the quiver better. It could just be the way I draw the arrows out as I'm sure there are many other folks that have no problems, but I sometimes have a problem with Grizzly's and the STOS trying to dig into the leather.

Spanky
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on January 30, 2011, 09:35:00 PM
TW,  I have had good results with 160gn Stos, Ace, Ribtek and Tuskers...

easy to get out of a back quiver too !

I have a bunch of three blades i'll use for turkeys this coming March ....
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 30, 2011, 09:39:00 PM
I have some 175gr Terminators but, they are difficult to pull out of my back quiver. I'm not willing to give up hunting with a back quiver just to use them.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on January 30, 2011, 09:55:00 PM
sigh
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: RC on January 30, 2011, 10:08:00 PM
Zwickey no mercy, woodsmans and Mag I`s for me.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on January 30, 2011, 10:35:00 PM
http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac144/timwsmith/Hillgroupriserandserials-1.jpg
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Swiftspeed10 on January 30, 2011, 10:39:00 PM
love that last one far rider, ebony is gorgeous on bows.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on January 31, 2011, 01:45:00 AM
Don't have a hill yet (dang it!!)     :banghead:
 
I have, however, hunted with my other longbows in the past....

Most recently one I build myself, before that a Dwyer, and prior to that a non-acs bow built by OL Adcock.  The 68" Dwyer was the closest to a Hill that I have ever come but not a Hill for sure..

Used Snuffers and most recently - Ace 125s  
I will continue using ACE with my new Hill bow when I get back...
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: GingivitisKahn on January 31, 2011, 06:59:00 AM
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Originally posted by Cookus:
Sounds good Kevin!   On the same note fellas, who bowfishes with their Hills?   C'mon don't be shy to show us your setups!   It's almost the season (we're praying!!!)...   Hero shots will do!
I didn't set out to bowfish with mine but did some impromptu carp hunting last year.  The turkeys refused to play along but I found a bunch of carp in a flooded creek so I spent a couple of hours plinking them with a couple of Ace Hex Head tipped arrows.

Didn't have any bowfishing gear so I just had to take shots where I was pretty sure I'd get my arrow back.  Anyway, here's a pic or two...

   (http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff187/GingivitisKahn/20100515_ac_07.jpg)

I'd like to do more this year with a proper setup.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 31, 2011, 11:00:00 AM
I used a gadget attachment(3 Rivers) so I could use my longbow with a reel set up for bow fishing.

Nice fish Jim.

Thanks for sharing.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 31, 2011, 01:05:00 PM
a new/old arrival, big 5, 68", 46#@28" - shoots SO nice!

 (http://www.tradgang.com/rob/hill/hillb5.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kevin L. on January 31, 2011, 01:11:00 PM
Nice one Rob. I like the look of all of the lams on the back of the riser.

Kevin
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on January 31, 2011, 01:19:00 PM
Rob one word comes to mind..."Sweet!"

Thanks for sharing it with us.

God bless,mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on January 31, 2011, 01:22:00 PM
Very nice Rob!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: RC on January 31, 2011, 01:40:00 PM
Cocobola Riser?

 What cedar spine do you fellas recommend with a 26 1/2" draw and 52 pounds.28.5 arrow and 125 grain head?RC
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on January 31, 2011, 01:50:00 PM
55-60 should be good..
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: pavan on January 31, 2011, 01:55:00 PM
That is about what my yew/myrtle is. I shoot 27" 40-45 with 125s and 45-47 tapers with 160s. My yew is fairly fast and my sight window is 3/16". I would not be surprised if the same spines would apply at 28.5".  I think it is always better with Hills to error on the light side.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 31, 2011, 03:13:00 PM
limbs are back set.  the glass is not black, but an extremely dark chocolate.  the bow is labeled 46#@28", but my easton digital scale reads 48#.4@28" and 52#.1@29" (typical overweight for hills).  real nice shooter with 585gr woodies, will be better still with a new string.  the handle was reshaped oval, but with a very rounded belly side.  perfect in every way 'cept wish it was a t/d.

   (http://www.tradgang.com/rob/hill/hillb53.jpg)

   (http://www.tradgang.com/rob/hill/hillb52.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 31, 2011, 03:18:00 PM
I really like that dark chocolate color for the glass. Wonder if that was a different brown than what he uses now?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Dick in Seattle on January 31, 2011, 04:19:00 PM
Don't know what Craig is using now, but I got some brown from Kenny last year when I made Sweet Georgia Brown.  It's lighter than the brown on my older Big Five.  I like it better.  It was gorgeous and I ordered some more I have tucked away.  Kenny posted a notice that's he's not shipping for a bit, has to recover from some surgery, but I'm sure he'll be back up and going in as soon as he can.

Sweet Georgia Brown:   http://dickwightman.com/archeryactivity/bowbuilding/gallery/sweetgeorgiabrown/sweetgeorgiabrown.html
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 31, 2011, 04:27:00 PM
CPT, that brown looks similar to the brown that was on my Wesley. Pretty close in shade. Very nice looking bow you built.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: GingivitisKahn on January 31, 2011, 05:34:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Mudd:
I used a gadget attachment(3 Rivers) so I could use my longbow with a reel set up for bow fishing.

Nice fish Jim.

Thanks for sharing.

God bless,Mudd
Thanks sir - I'll look into it because as it turns out... bow fishing is kind of fun.   :D
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on January 31, 2011, 06:05:00 PM
Dandy!

I like dark chocolate.

I will look for this girl in the classifieds!  You gotta sell it Rob, you know you do!  ;)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 31, 2011, 06:32:00 PM
just a very classic craig hill longbow.

you can see the slight limb backset, and see how the handle's 'teardrop' nose was significantly ground off and rounded to make a wonderfully comfy, hand fitting grip.  mike did a craftsman's job on the handle rework and the stitched elk hide grip and shelf plate.

the handle looks dished because mike rolled the top and bottom of the leather, which adds about a 1/32" bulge that's easy to see, but gives the straight handle that dished look.  best hill grip i've had yet, and it's not a locator!  wow!!

i had asked jason about the new hill riser cross sections, how i hated that damn tear drop and he assured me none are no longer 'pointy'.  i asked him to round it off even more.  we'll see by late next week.

 (http://www.tradgang.com/rob/hill/hillb54.jpg)  (http://www.tradgang.com/rob/hill/hillb55.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 31, 2011, 06:35:00 PM
There's a 66" Scirocco on the Classifieds right now.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 31, 2011, 06:51:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Wannabe1:
There's a 66" Scirocco on the Classifieds right now.
need a 27" draw or less for that puppy.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on January 31, 2011, 08:24:00 PM
Hey, I shoot 27". Hmmmmmm  :saywhat:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 31, 2011, 08:26:00 PM
Leatherneck, only 50 of them bad boys made. That would be one for the collection.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 31, 2011, 08:28:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by leatherneck:
Hey, I shoot 27". Hmmmmmm   :saywhat:  
dang, if i had a 27" draw i'd be on that like flies on u-know-what!  :D
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Cookus on January 31, 2011, 08:47:00 PM
I wish that Scirocco on the Classifieds was just a  l..i..t..tle heavier draw!   Somebodies going to get a classic and nice shootin' bow there!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kapellmeister on February 01, 2011, 02:02:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
i had asked jason about the new hill riser cross sections, how i hated that damn tear drop and he assured me none are no longer 'pointy'.  i asked him to round it off even more.
I just got my new Half Breed from Craig yesterday and was shooting it for the first time this morning!  (I'll take some photos and post them soon.)  At 55# it's the heaviest bow I have at this point and I seem to be able to shoot it well. But....

I think I'm understanding what you're talking about here... the only thing I'm not crazy about is that the grip really digs into my palm... is that the "point" you were referring to?  I do wish it were rounded off more.  (It was an "in stock" bow.)  Before I call him, do you think he could modify it?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on February 01, 2011, 02:14:00 PM
Kapellmeister there is a quick fix that you can try before having to give up your bow while it's off getting the handle re-worked(which BTW can be done)

I had a similar problem with what I called a "tomahawk" grip, it was just too sharp to be comfortable.

I took a piece of leather, shrived the edge and put it under the handle wrap. Problem solved!

It may not work for you but it sure did for me.

Good luck!

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kapellmeister on February 01, 2011, 02:17:00 PM
Thanks, Mudd!  That's a good idea to start.  (I was thinking maybe a padded glove... (?)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on February 01, 2011, 02:30:00 PM
It's too easy to lose or forget a glove....lol

If you shave the sides of the leather you put underneath the only way anyone will know its there is if you tell them..lol

But you can tell the difference immediately.

Now let me in on another little secret.

I traded the bow that I fixed the grip on and later on down the road I traded for another Big % that had that same identical style grip. That didn't bother me because I knew I had a fix for it that was easy to do.

Well before I got around to fixing it I started shooting the bow a little and for whatever reason the grip didn't bother me in the least. In fact, I love it!! Go figure!!...lol

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 01, 2011, 02:42:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Kapellmeister:
 
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
i had asked jason about the new hill riser cross sections, how i hated that damn tear drop and he assured me none are no longer 'pointy'.  i asked him to round it off even more.
I just got my new Half Breed from Craig yesterday and was shooting it for the first time this morning!  (I'll take some photos and post them soon.)  At 55# it's the heaviest bow I have at this point and I seem to be able to shoot it well. But....

I think I'm understanding what you're talking about here... the only thing I'm not crazy about is that the grip really digs into my palm... is that the "point" you were referring to?  I do wish it were rounded off more.  (It was an "in stock" bow.)  Before I call him, do you think he could modify it? [/b]
that's the teardrop cross section hill handle.  yuk.  craig should be able to round it off.  i've done it to every keeper hill bow i have/had.  if you go back to the page before this one, and look at the used big5 i just got, you can see that a good portion of the depth of the handle was removed by mike (the previous owner), and rounded off.  this does a buncha wonderful things (for me) - makes the belly side of the grip nice 'n' rounded, decreases the handle depth for a narrower 'throat', thus greatly reduces torque during release.  

i asked jason to round off the handle considerably on the forthcoming new big5 ... i don't have my hopes up, and one reason for having a lace-on grip instead of full glue-on.   ;)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on February 01, 2011, 04:57:00 PM
I love the tear drop grip.  The key is to grip the bow like a suitcase--that is, rotate your hand around just a bit to the left (if you're a right handed shooter) and let the center of the grip be just off the knuckle at the base of your thumb and the back of the grip be right under your finger joints as if you were carrying a suitcase or bucket of water. Really helps prevent torque and gives a good repeatable grip. I always have Craig give me a rather pointy tear drop.  Didn't like it when I first encountered it, but after learning the proper grip on a straight limbed longbow, I don't want them any other way. I know other guys on here feel the same way--obviously Rob will disagree.    :D        ;)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kapellmeister on February 01, 2011, 05:15:00 PM
After shooting it some more today (with my cold weather hunting mitten on), I will concede that the teardrop grip does lend itself to consistent positioning in the hand.  I just don't think it's comfortable... it just concentrates the pressure into a smaller area of the hand.  I can't help but wonder if that's the reason why so many people complain about the recoil from these bows... because the recoil is concentrated in that "thinner" swath of the palm.

Well, before I even think about making any changes, I think I'll just bear with it for a while and see how I adjust.  I'm not giving up on it though, that's fer sure!  Maybe it'll be like it was for me switching from a glove to a tab... it didn't feel as good at first but after using it for a while, I like it much better.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kevin L. on February 01, 2011, 05:41:00 PM
I had a SUnset Hill with that teardrop cross-section to the grip and really didn't like it. I gave it to a buddy of mine and he thinks it's the best grip ever made.

Give it a while and see if it grows on ya.

Kevin
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 01, 2011, 06:01:00 PM
when it comes to handle shapes, and if yer a seasoned trad longbow archer, first impressions are usually correct and the main reason for either modding the wood or chucking it over to the classifieds.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: RC on February 01, 2011, 07:01:00 PM
I like the Straight grip with the teardrop. Puts my hand in the right place everytime. But I would never modify my style to fit a bow. Took to long to make it happen without thought.RC
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kapellmeister on February 01, 2011, 07:03:00 PM
I hear ya, Rob... I'm definitely not a seasoned trad shooter but I have shot a self bow for a few years.  I was kind of expecting the Hill straight grip to be more like the self bow's.  Well, we'll see...

I appreciate everyone's input!  :notworthy:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on February 01, 2011, 09:39:00 PM
RC, Rob,
Is the "pointy" only more noticeable on the straight riser?  I will order a locator with a "fat" grip....my hands are way too big.

These are good things to know before I place an order...thanks!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Raging Water on February 01, 2011, 11:21:00 PM
Gene,

My 68" 85# at 28" Half Breed has the same "pointed" grip. I got some tennis racquet grip tape and used that to soften and round the grip. Since then, I have taken that off and I now really enjoy the "pointed" grip. It just took some getting used to. Now, it is my favorite grip.

Matt
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on February 01, 2011, 11:28:00 PM
The teardrop is also my favorite! The pointy edge does help me repeat my hold alot better than a rounded one.

All the dished and locators I have seen were not pointy at all. I think that it gets rounded some during the shaping of those two styles.

Spanky
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on February 01, 2011, 11:42:00 PM
Rob that's a beautiful bow!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Overspined on February 01, 2011, 11:48:00 PM
I like the teardrop straight grips too, easy positioning and comfy when you get used to it, or if your hand is shaped for it. Too pointy and I say "uncle".
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Overspined on February 01, 2011, 11:49:00 PM
that doesn't look all that pointy from the pic though.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on February 02, 2011, 04:34:00 AM
G'day lads,

I got a beaut surprise when I got home from work this afternoon, as I had no idea it was finished or on its way! The sight of the long box, that we know and love, really made my day. I rang Craig a day shy of four weeks ago today.

It is a string-follow 70" Redman, with locator grip, bubinga riser and tillered for three-under shooting. It is 60# at 28", although I draw 29". I didn't choose the tip overlay option, as I quite like the plain Jane tips. The string it wears was made a few weeks ago, and is fourteen strands of TS+, padded to twenty at the loops.

The Douglas fir I ordered from Surewood Shafts arrived just today, so before I shoot it I will have a few busy days of making arrows. I suppose I could be tempted to shoot some arrows that will be too stiff for it...

Here's "Sunburnt Redman":

 (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l164/b_kleinig/Archery%20Gear/IMG_2876.jpg)

 (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l164/b_kleinig/Archery%20Gear/IMG_2862.jpg)

 (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l164/b_kleinig/Archery%20Gear/IMG_2873.jpg)

 (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l164/b_kleinig/Archery%20Gear/IMG_2869.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on February 02, 2011, 04:37:00 AM
(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l164/b_kleinig/Archery%20Gear/IMG_2863.jpg)

 (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l164/b_kleinig/Archery%20Gear/IMG_2865.jpg)

 (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l164/b_kleinig/Archery%20Gear/IMG_2872.jpg)

 (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l164/b_kleinig/Archery%20Gear/IMG_2870.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on February 02, 2011, 04:40:00 AM
I need to mow my lawn, eh. It's a weekly event at this time of the year, at four to six inches per week. This bow, with our strong Aussie dollar, is the lowest-cost new bow I've ever bought; Hills really are good value, and a lot of bang for your buck.

 (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l164/b_kleinig/Archery%20Gear/IMG_2866.jpg)

 (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l164/b_kleinig/Archery%20Gear/IMG_2868.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on February 02, 2011, 04:55:00 AM
Absolutely stunning Ben !

What a beutiful looking bow ! I am jealous as all get out !
I bet you have a ripper time with "Sunburnt "...termite mounds and hogs watch out !
Great stuff mate ...

Looking forward to your opinions on string follow .

I'm still waiting for mine to clear customs ....
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 02, 2011, 05:51:00 AM
WOW, what a beauty, ben!  congrats on the new edition!

   :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:    :clapper:    :clapper:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 02, 2011, 05:59:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Macatawa:
RC, Rob,
Is the "pointy" only more noticeable on the straight riser?  I will order a locator with a "fat" grip....my hands are way too big.

These are good things to know before I place an order...thanks!
i've had lots of hill straights and a few dishes - all had the damn wedge-in-yer-palm.

i ask that the new big5 get that wedge taken off and severely rounded, along with a locator.  it's due in next week, so will report back here with words and images.  i doubt it'll be much different from the teardrop.  

on the big5 i just got from mike, he took of 3/4" from the handle depth in order to round off the teardrop wedge.  it's the best straight hill handle i've ever held.

those deep, wedged handles offer noticeable torque for me on the release and that wedge edge knifes into the small spot of the hand (the left fleshy part of the upper thumb base) that hasta take the brunt of the holding weight.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Bowana on February 02, 2011, 09:10:00 AM
Very nice Ben!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on February 02, 2011, 09:36:00 AM
Aw Ben!! That looks so sweeet!!

Thank you!! I needed a bow fix this morning and yours filled the bill for me.

I really appreciate you sharing with us.

God bless,Mudd

PS: I really enjoy seeing your green grass and warm sunshine!!
Everything is one color here right now... white!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on February 02, 2011, 10:19:00 AM
Ben,
Gorgeous!  Love that color...
I am also waiting for a report..
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rooselk on February 02, 2011, 10:21:00 AM
Beautiful! Yew and bubinga make a stunning combo.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on February 02, 2011, 10:29:00 AM
Very nice congrats.  :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 02, 2011, 11:14:00 AM
some questions please, ben ...

that handle looks rounded and not wedged, true?

why so many strands of ts+?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 02, 2011, 11:19:00 AM
Congrats Ben. That is a beautiful bow and I like how the colors blend well! Look forward to a shooting report.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on February 02, 2011, 11:49:00 AM
Super nice combo mate...congrats!  :clapper:  

Spanky
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on February 02, 2011, 01:31:00 PM
Ben-

The bow looks great! When the box arrives at the house, I love that feeling too. It was so funny the other day when Mudd mentioned that his friend worked at the airport and was looking out for the box, because I do the samething, I even call up the Post Office and tell them that I'll pick it up. If I wait for it to be delivered it won't arrive until 2:00pm.

Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 02, 2011, 02:08:00 PM
For you Lefties, there's a HH Big5 on the Classifieds right now. 70", 63# @ 28".
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Raging Water on February 02, 2011, 02:12:00 PM
You know, the only other HH bow I have a real hankering for is the HH Sirocco. I know there is one on the classifieds (too light).

I just can find one in 65# plus weight.

Matt
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on February 02, 2011, 04:10:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
some questions please, ben ...

that handle looks rounded and not wedged, true?

why so many strands of ts+?
G'day Rob,

The handle is certainly bigger than my previous two Hills, and the description of being rounded certainly fits. I'm a fairly flexible fellow when it comes to bow handles, and I'm sure that I'll get used to it. It fills my hand more. But I really did like the grip on my Wesley Special, which seemed a bit more narrow.

As for the string, I made it some weeks ago riding on the back of a scare I had with some Black Widow limbs. I am actually thinking of scrapping the string before I even shoot it, and padding the loops to eighteen instead of twenty, so that they sit in the nocks a little better, and also making the top loop smaller, because I worry about it jarring off completely just by looking at the angle and how close the string sits to the edge. Heck, I might even go down to twelve strands for the actual string, new territory for me! The existing string might end-up becoming a string keeper!

Cheers,

Ben
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on February 02, 2011, 04:15:00 PM
So as not to damage the limb tips, and keeping in mind my longish draw and the weight of the bow and that there are no limb tip overlays, what are people padding the loops to for such a bow as this, with low-stretch string material?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tg2nd on February 02, 2011, 04:43:00 PM
My HH "Cougar",64", stringfollow, no tip overlays, 62#@25" has an 8 strand BCY 452X string, loops padded with 8 strands B50.
My Schulz "Trophy Hunter", 69" reflex (72#@28") 61#@25", no tip overlays has also 8 strands BCY 452X, loops padded with 8 strands B50.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tg2nd on February 02, 2011, 04:50:00 PM
all my bows have this string material. I make 8 strand strings padded with 8 strands B50 for bows from 45# to 60# and 10 strand strings padded with 6 strands B50 for bows from 60# to 75#
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on February 02, 2011, 04:50:00 PM
"Cheetah"   70" and 50@28
  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Howard%20Hill%20bows/DSC01121.jpg)
  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Howard%20Hill%20bows/DSC01120.jpg)
  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Howard%20Hill%20bows/DSC01119.jpg)
  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Howard%20Hill%20bows/DSC01118.jpg)
  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Howard%20Hill%20bows/DSC01117.jpg)
  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Howard%20Hill%20bows/DSC01116.jpg)

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on February 02, 2011, 04:59:00 PM
Ha! That's snow! At first glance, I thought you'd held it up against the sky, with big tropical thunderstorm clouds building up!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on February 02, 2011, 07:03:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ben Kleinig:
[QB] I need to mow my lawn, eh. It's a weekly event at this time of the year, at four to six inches per week.

  :smileystooges:  

It's freezing here with snow blowing sideways. Thanks for the green grass Ben.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: droz il on February 02, 2011, 10:26:00 PM
Congrats on the new bow Ben. It's a beauty.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 03, 2011, 07:59:00 PM
I'm looking forward to the shooting results from Mudd and Ben's bows. I keep looking at that Redman thinking how much more unique it looks compared to mine.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on February 03, 2011, 08:57:00 PM
Yeah, me too TW.

I know  Mudd is a bit sidetracked now but will fill us in when he gets the chance.

Ben is probably still makin' his arrows..

Yesterday I read through this thread from page one to the end.  Incredibly informative.  I think it'll give birth to a new wave of Hill'ers.  

I am one of those for sure
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on February 03, 2011, 09:42:00 PM
Thanks Tony for covering for me.

Things are pretty bad here right now.

One of my favorite hunting dogs had to be put down
after being hit by a car.

I'll get back on track soon and give you guys in depth report on the new-to-me Cheetah.

The preliminary report is all good!

Smooth, accurate and a pleasure to shoot.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 03, 2011, 09:49:00 PM
Roy, sorry to hear about your dog! I had no idea. Obviously there are some things that are more important.   :thumbsup:
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Post by: on February 03, 2011, 10:02:00 PM
No problem Roy!  I know it is a tough time for you.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Raging Water on February 03, 2011, 10:40:00 PM
Roy,

So sorry to hear about your beloved friend. My heart goes out to you.

Matt
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on February 03, 2011, 11:19:00 PM
Roy, Hope your ok mate . My dogs are my family sO I have a hint at what your going through .

My thoughts are with you bro !
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on February 04, 2011, 12:00:00 AM
Should have asked this question seperately from my post above brother...sorry about that!     :(  

My question was:  My experience with the shorter R/D longbows and some recurves is the draw weight will increase approximately 4# per inch of draw.  That being said, how does that compare to these 70"  bows?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on February 04, 2011, 06:03:00 AM
Sad for ya, Roy.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on February 04, 2011, 07:11:00 AM
Mudd- Our thoughts are with you.

Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kevin L. on February 04, 2011, 08:14:00 AM
Sorry to hear about your buddy Roy. They do become one of the family, don't they?

Kevin
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on February 04, 2011, 09:53:00 AM
Sorry for your loss Roy!

Spanky
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on February 04, 2011, 09:59:00 AM
Thank you everyone! I appreciate you kind thoughts and prayers.

Now let's get back on the track of these beautiful bows.

I got an e-mail this morning with a tracking number.

You'll be impressed when I post pictures. (Of course it has to arrive 1st...lol)

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: ny state land on February 04, 2011, 10:57:00 AM
I just sent HH archery a MO for an in stock Half Breed! 68" is a little longer than i am used to but i am hoping it will provide some stability. I talked to Jason and he is going to dish the grip for me and i should get the bow next week. All i need now are my turkey feathers from stringstretcher to some in and my footed fir shafts from Great Basin will be in my quiver and the set up will be complete! Will post pics when all is here! thanks for wearing me down and i am sure HH archery has appreciated this thread. Roy sorry to hear about your pet i have been there and know it can be a tough one.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: canopyboy on February 04, 2011, 11:03:00 AM
First, my congrats to longbowben for starting a thread that is already at 57 pages.  I'll have to go read 30-40 pages I missed since it started.

Second, my HH Owl blank is throwing arrows now.  68", 55# at 29".  I added antler tip overlays, twisted up a string, cut the shelf and have been slowly shaping the grip.  I think I have it where I want it now.  Time to finish it.  Problem is that the grain in coco riser is so darned purdy I can't bring myself to cover it up with a wrap.  Anyone just leave their handle bare?  Or maybe texture the wood a bit?
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Post by: on February 04, 2011, 11:27:00 AM
Stacy, way to go man!  I have been lookin at those in stock bows too.  I think the half breed is beautiful...love the yew.  Kinda torn between the half breed and the Tembo...we'll see.  It's all fun!

Will be lookin for the pics...
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Post by: Raging Water on February 04, 2011, 12:09:00 PM
David,

I love the look of a HH bow with no grip wrap. I have seen a very few pics here on TG.

Go for it. Be unique! Plus, you can always add the wrap later.

Matt
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Raging Water on February 04, 2011, 12:12:00 PM
Tony,

My first HH bow was a stock Half Breed. I was hooked after that. Now, I have 4 of the dang things!

It is like an addiction. I need serious intervention!

Matt
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: stik&string on February 04, 2011, 12:55:00 PM
My "stock" Half Breed should be at my house when I return from the Super Bowl. I ordered the 66" 55 @ 26 Half Breed and it has 5 lams (3 bamboo, 2 yew) instead of the usual 4. Can't wait to get home and shoot it, hopefully I can be satisfied with just 1 for a while.
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Post by: Raging Water on February 04, 2011, 01:08:00 PM
I love the Yew and Bamboo on my 68" 85# at 28" Half Breed.

Smooth draw, hard hitting, quiet and fast, what more can you ask for?

Matt
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Post by: Wannabe1 on February 04, 2011, 01:10:00 PM
Quote
Smooth draw, hard hitting, quiet and fast, what more can you ask for?
Winning number to the lottery so, I could buy one!   :D    :rolleyes:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: pavan on February 04, 2011, 02:52:00 PM
Many are waiting for the winning lottery number. save your money I just bought the winning ticket.
Just kidding, I hope the obsession for beautiful bows comes after the family and future financial needs. With food and energy prices running up because of business practices of those we have no control over, it could make future purchases more difficult for many.  Perhaps getting bows while things are still affordable may be good timing.  Until I am too old and feeble to manage the longbows I have, the wall of bows will remain unchanged. Unless of course I actually did buy that lucky ticket, how many hundreds of millions to one are those odds? I think I would have a better chance at catching a solid gold meteor next spring out turkey hunting.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 04, 2011, 03:21:00 PM
Not to worry, family always comes first around here! I'm happy with what I've got. That comment was just a jab at fun.   :D    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: pavan on February 04, 2011, 04:10:00 PM
While I know the wanting can be quite often better than the having, I was tempting myself with buying one model of every Hill style bow available from three different makers at one time with the same specs. Just crazy on my part.  I got over it and I am feeling better now. But, I know of a Frederickson guitar that is for sale, they are only asking $21000 and looks better than one I almost bought that was $45000. Just crazy, but I got over it and I am feeling better now.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 04, 2011, 06:54:00 PM
Hey folks, my HH Redman has some (checking/crazing?) going on, on the back of the limbs. Should I be worried? If not, I was thinking of saving some money and having the limbs snake skinned 'cause I don't like the looks of what's going on. Any thoughts on what might be causing it? I tried to get as good a pic as possible without the flash messing up the image.
  (http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/TradNut/101_0366.jpg)
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Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 04, 2011, 07:04:00 PM
finish checking at best, glass chrysling at worst.  looks more like it's in the finish.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on February 04, 2011, 07:08:00 PM
send a pm to either/both the real bowdoc & whip and ask them..
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 04, 2011, 07:13:00 PM
I sent one to Craig but, he hasn't responded as of yet. Just wondering if anyone else has had this and should I be worried?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Brad_Gentry on February 04, 2011, 07:16:00 PM
Wannabe,
Looks like finish checking to me. My Big 5's got the same thing on it. I wouldn't worry about.
Brad
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Post by: pavan on February 04, 2011, 07:25:00 PM
i have a Schulz that I have refinished three times since the 70s for the same thing.  The finish lasts for a five or six years of hard shooting.
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Post by: Wannabe1 on February 04, 2011, 07:26:00 PM
Ok, thanks Brad. That's what I was hoping for.   :thumbsup:

Any thoughts on what this bow would look like with skins on it to cover that up?   :D
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on February 04, 2011, 07:47:00 PM
I heard those wondeful words from Craig today.
"Your bow shipped out yesterday"!!! Wont be long now.
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Post by: SpankyNeal on February 04, 2011, 07:57:00 PM
I know what you mean Mike. Nate emailed me today to say that my Natural was next to be finished so it should be in my hands in a couple of weeks...and so the anticipation builds!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on February 04, 2011, 08:20:00 PM
I have a feeling that there is going to be 2 bows in this box. Longbowben and myself live beside each other and he ordered his before mine. I told Jason if they got done at the same time save a buck and ship them together. Sooooooooo you will porbably see 2 new ones here in a day or two.

Uh Oh, wonder whos house they are going to go to?  :dunno:  I better keep an eye on Bens mailbox looking for that yellow slip. Dont you guys tell him our bows are done.  :nono:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on February 04, 2011, 10:38:00 PM
:jumper:    :jumper:    :jumper:  Looks like we better go to the post office in the morning!!!!!
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Post by: ny state land on February 05, 2011, 08:42:00 AM
Does anyone know what the handle wood is on the Redman on the HH longbow page?
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Post by: longbowben on February 05, 2011, 08:51:00 AM
Didn'T come in today   :smileystooges:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on February 05, 2011, 09:07:00 AM
Stacy...my guess would be Texas Ebony.  It's a nice piece of wood for sure.  You have a bow comin' right?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on February 05, 2011, 09:09:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by longbowben:
 :jumper:      :jumper:      :jumper:   Looks like we better go to the post office in the morning!!!!!
You guys were not supposed to tell.lol
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Post by: straitera on February 05, 2011, 02:55:00 PM
59 pages? You peaked some interest Ben. Had to check in to see what's going on. & Guess you know what's coming below? Sorry.., couldn't help it.

  (http://i.imgur.com/i2w1C.jpg) (http://imgur.com/i2w1C)

Continue gentlemen.
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Post by: RC on February 05, 2011, 04:19:00 PM
Rained in today but planning a two day hunt next weekend with Marty /Apex at Fort stewart . He lives kinda close too so we`ll have a blast. Should be about 12-15 trad archers there.RC
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on February 05, 2011, 04:33:00 PM
Don't forget your camera RC as you never know, one of you might actually kill something!    :biglaugh:  Lookin forward to the pics bud!
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Post by: Mudd on February 05, 2011, 04:38:00 PM
Hey TW.... I'm home on a food break from the UBM in JC.

You'll never guess what I found there...lol I didn't have may camera then but when I go back it'll be in my pocket.

You are gonna drool when you see pictures....lol

Normally when you talk about diamonds the ladies just love it.. I bet Killie will like these diamonds as will you!

Try to picture in your mind a 66" "Cheetah" 55@28 dished grip, limb tip overlays and back with some very pretty diamondback rattler skins(buzz worm skins)..lol I read that one somewhere and loved how it sounded.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: ny state land on February 05, 2011, 04:41:00 PM
Tony,
yes, should be the middle of next week. That "Texas Ebony really does it for me" Got me all ready thinking about building one with it!
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Post by: Wannabe1 on February 05, 2011, 05:22:00 PM
Roy, you done gone and got me excited! I got an email back from Craig and he stated it looked like it was just in the finish. He told me nothing to worry about and just shoot it. Sounds good to me but, I'm still thinking on skinning it to cover up the finish blemishes.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: GingivitisKahn on February 05, 2011, 06:05:00 PM
My son snapped this pic of me posing with the HH Halfbreed this (very rainy) morning.  Last day of this deer season for me.  :(

 (http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff187/GingivitisKahn/20110205_dc_d04.jpg)
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Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on February 05, 2011, 06:13:00 PM
Now that is a classic bowhunter photo! I know I've worn brand-name break-up pattern clothing with my Hill, but that was before I truly listened to what my Hill was trying to whisper to me.
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Post by: Mudd on February 05, 2011, 08:05:00 PM
Here's is my latest quarry.

No! I did not buy it.. well, the truth is I didn't bring it home but I did make a down payment on it...lol

Here you go TW!

Howard Hill "Cheetah" w skins, 66" and 55@28.

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  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/DSC01130.jpg)
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  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/DSC01125.jpg)
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  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/DSC01122.jpg)

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: SpankyNeal on February 05, 2011, 08:17:00 PM
Somebody needs to put Roy on a 12-step before he loses control!   :biglaugh:  Nice Cheetah bud!
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Post by: Wannabe1 on February 05, 2011, 08:33:00 PM
Oooooooh, that is too cool looking! I wonder how they would do the skins on my Redman? It doesn't have limb tip overlays to skin up too.

Roy, that is a keeper for sure. Good luck with her and we look forward to a full report once she's home.   :)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: GingivitisKahn on February 05, 2011, 08:37:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ben Kleinig:
Now that is a classic bowhunter photo! I know I've worn brand-name break-up pattern clothing with my Hill, but that was before I truly listened to what my Hill was trying to whisper to me.
Lol thanks - I was *very* glad for the wool.  It's my buddy.

   :bigsmyl:
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Post by: Cookus on February 05, 2011, 09:15:00 PM
Beautiful Cheetah Mudd!   No better camo than snake skins IMHO!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on February 05, 2011, 09:39:00 PM
That's a pretty bow Roy!  I can't wait to see your collection face-to-face!
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Post by: Mudd on February 05, 2011, 09:48:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SpankyNeal:
Somebody needs to put Roy on a 12-step before he loses control!    :biglaugh:   Nice Cheetah bud!
Unfortunately Spanky I think that ship has sailed!...lol

I'm a hopeless "bowaholic" and loving it!..lol

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on February 06, 2011, 09:01:00 AM
Hey Mudd we're all on that boat right there with ya man! I've got two Sunset Hills at home now, one on the way, and two more ordered...we're a hopeless bunch for sure!  :thumbsup:
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Post by: RC on February 06, 2011, 10:49:00 AM
Us Hill addicts should plan a hunt. I know some prime public ground "all I hunt" that would support a big group. Primitive camping , near good fishing,small game , deer and pork. Lots of stumping ground and NO SNOW. Sorry Ben and Ben no goats but ya`ll welcome to come.RC
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Post by: straitera on February 06, 2011, 11:01:00 AM
Dang good idea RC! Sure would like to get together w/a group of likeminded hunters. TG has them. This year if I go anywhere it will be after elk in KY or Oregon. Hope to post a thread soon as the KY draw results are in. Guess it wouldn't hurt to start early. RC, think you & Marty might want to chase some elk? How about you other folks? BTW, we have agreat spot in Texas w/2 different kinds of goats, deer, & hogs plus small game.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: straitera on February 06, 2011, 11:19:00 AM
Gingivitiskahn, that's me dude! Can't picture a more perfect walk in the woods rain included. Your pic set me off! Excellent!

Badaz bow Muddster! What's up? You trying to stack up more Hills than me? Stay out of the kid's college fund.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on February 06, 2011, 11:43:00 AM
I'm there with ya RC...sounds like a great time!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rooselk on February 06, 2011, 12:48:00 PM
Here's a pic of my "Hill-type" bow. It's a 68" (58# @ 27") Skookum longbow built by Fred Anderson.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v105/Rooselk/Outdoors/Archery/Trad%20Bows/June-09073.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on February 06, 2011, 01:19:00 PM
If I remember correctly, the Skookum was a very popular longbow.  Long risers.  

Rich, Do you have a pic of it strung?  I love to see the profiles of these bows.

Looks like it would be a good one for an elk hunt.  So you shoot it much?
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Post by: Mudd on February 06, 2011, 01:32:00 PM
I like your idea RC!

Tony, question? What's with the new handle? or maybe a better question, why did you ditch your handle?

Should I follow suit?...lol J/K

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: pavan on February 06, 2011, 01:48:00 PM
In Iowa there is no place left anywhere near here, where I can set up my wall tent, and in the morning load my longbow, walk out and go hunting.  It would be grand if there was a place where longbow shooters could camp and hunt and have the type of adventures like Hill went on, without getting run over by the modern crowds. I wanted to put up a longbow only park in Iowa, where longbow shooters could camp and hunt for free, at least three hundred acres. With today's land prices and the touchy economy it is not going let that happen any time soon.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rooselk on February 06, 2011, 02:26:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Tony Van Dort:
If I remember correctly, the Skookum was a very popular longbow.  Long risers.  

Rich, Do you have a pic of it strung?  I love to see the profiles of these bows.

Looks like it would be a good one for an elk hunt.  So you shoot it much?
I don't have a pic of the bow strung. But I'll take one later today and post it. I picked up this bow a few years ago in the TG classifieds and then sent it to Real BowDoc to be restored.
I am just now beginning to shoot it. It took me quite awhile because I had to work up to that draw weight.

You're right about the bow being a good one for elk hunting. That has been my intent all along. That bow needs to be in the elk woods.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Steve Clandinin on February 06, 2011, 02:33:00 PM
Pavan,If Saskatchewan ever offers non-resident deer hunting in the south,I'll invite the whole darn Gang to come up .So much country,great hunting,EVEN hogs and no competition.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on February 06, 2011, 02:36:00 PM
Rooselk that is a very pretty bow.Man im having problems knowing my bow should be here tomorrow morning   :help:  And MUDD you better start your 12 step program you are hopeless at this point!!!!!!!!!  :laughing:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rooselk on February 06, 2011, 03:35:00 PM
As requested, here's a pic of my Skookum strung:

  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v105/Rooselk/Skookum-2-1.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: WESTBROOK on February 06, 2011, 03:50:00 PM
I like RC's idea!  I realy dont mind snow cuz that means no snakes!

Eric
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rooselk on February 06, 2011, 04:01:00 PM
I also like Stratera's idea of an Oregon TG elk hunt with Hill bows. If this idea turns into a serious proposal I'll certainly be interested.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: bicster on February 06, 2011, 04:02:00 PM
Georgia sounds fun to me RC. What time of year?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 06, 2011, 04:17:00 PM
Roos, that is a good looking bow! I too like the idea of a Hill style elk hunt. If something comes of it and my work situation will allow for it, I'd be interested. You guys keep me in the loop please.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Sam McMichael on February 06, 2011, 04:31:00 PM
O.K. All this talk and all these pics are about to get me in trouble - again. I have admired (read: "coveted") either a Redman or Halfbreed, or both, for some time now. I am getting weak and may just be forced to cave in and order one. I have read the warranty on Hill bows, but I sure wish the guarntee included a good divorce lawyer, 'cause at the rate I'm going I may need one. My wife just does not understand that 5 Hills don't make a collection, they only make a fair beginning of one.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: pavan on February 06, 2011, 04:38:00 PM
Sam you don't have a Redman or a Halfbreed? Sounds like there is a need for some consoling, if your wife won't allow it.  I could offer you one of mine but my wife is only allowing me to give away recurves these days.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Joe Subler on February 06, 2011, 05:46:00 PM
Good idea RC--hog hunting with Hill style bows!!

Joe
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Raging Water on February 06, 2011, 05:54:00 PM
I wonder if this thread will hit 1000 posts?

I get my HH Elephant Bow back from Craig this coming week. I will post some pictures.

Matt
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 06, 2011, 06:01:00 PM
Never heard of this bow company but, his bows look exactly like a Hill.

MOKELUMNE RIVER LONGBOWS

Can't put the link in here but, do a search and it will give you the link to the website.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: RC on February 06, 2011, 06:45:00 PM
Ga. has excellent public land to hunt. If I were a fella that did`nt have a lot of hunting opportunities I would come down late september or October. Good deer hunting and pigs.License run for a year so you could plan a hunt and come back next year for the price of gas.Lot of Northern fellas want to hunt in Jan and feb to escape the cold but it is the worst time here for hunting.If you guys want to put something together I will help with the where.RC

 (http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/IMG_1360.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: RC on February 06, 2011, 06:47:00 PM
The "before" pic. He was a bit slow off the log...RC

 (http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/IMG_1359.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kevin L. on February 06, 2011, 06:51:00 PM
I tell ya RC, right now a hog hunt sounds good. I'll keep an eye out and see how it goes. That's a hunt I've always wanted to do.

Kevin
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on February 06, 2011, 06:52:00 PM
Good shooting RC!

That one looks like he could make a the main entree all by his lonesome...lol

Thanks for sharing RC.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Cookus on February 06, 2011, 09:28:00 PM
That's a BIG squirrel RC!   I too like the sounds of a HH hunt in Gawgia!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on February 06, 2011, 09:31:00 PM
RC,
A Hill hunt sounds to me like a great idea!  Same for Buddy's OR elk hunt.  Any kind of hunt anywhere as a group would be awesome!   Maybe it could become an annual event - who knows.  

This group here is like being around a campfire with friends and family.  Don't get me wrong, the rest of the gang is awesome as well.  You guys took the time to pull me back into my first love of archery - the Hill-style longbow.  You're a great bunch!     :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on February 06, 2011, 09:47:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Rooselk:
As requested, here's a pic of my Skookum strung:

   (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v105/Rooselk/Skookum-2-1.jpg)
Rich,  
Thanks for posting the pic!  That "Skookum" is a handsome some feller  indeed!  I see we are the same age! - just weeks apart.  1953 was a good year...LOL
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rooselk on February 06, 2011, 10:28:00 PM
Glad you liked the pic. The elk didn't. When I went outside to take the pic there were several roosey cows in the backyard. Wish I could have got the pic with them in the background. But it wasn't to be. They hopped the fence and went to the cow pasture next door.   :D  

And, yes, 1953 was a very good year. It marked the 75th anniversary of the publication of The Witchery of Archery by Maurice Thompson and the 30th anniversary of the publication of Saxon Pope's classic book, Hunting with the Bow & Arrow. In addition, Howard Hill's book, Hunting the Hard Way, was first published in 1953.
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Post by: GingivitisKahn on February 07, 2011, 07:51:00 AM
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Originally posted by straitera:
Gingivitiskahn, that's me dude! Can't picture a more perfect walk in the woods rain included. Your pic set me off! Excellent!
Thanks much!  I've got to credit my son ( Squirrelbane here ) for the photography.  The kid's got an eye.    :)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: RC on February 07, 2011, 11:00:00 AM
This mornings outing...RC


 (http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/IMG_1362.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on February 07, 2011, 11:12:00 AM
RC, your skill amazes me...you are a natural with that bow!
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Post by: Mudd on February 07, 2011, 11:23:00 AM
I'd sure hate to get within your range if I was a critter that was on your list RC.

I could take a few lessons from you for sure.

Thanks again for sharing with us via your camera.

God bless, Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: JohnHV on February 07, 2011, 03:24:00 PM
A question for all you HH longbowmen.

I've never had the pleasure of shooting a HH, but I own and shoot a 65" BamaBow straight-limbed LB.  

For those of you who have shot both, how does shooting a HH compare with the BamaBow?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: RC on February 07, 2011, 03:35:00 PM
Never shot a Bama bow but if its straight limb its got to be close.RC
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Post by: JohnHV on February 07, 2011, 03:52:00 PM
Thanks RC.

Always enjoy your posts.
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Post by: Mudd on February 07, 2011, 03:53:00 PM
I have two Bamas, one 64" and one 68". I like them both and shoot them right along beside my Hills.

God bless, Mudd
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Post by: JohnHV on February 07, 2011, 04:15:00 PM
Thanks Mudd.

Thought that was the case, but there is no substitute for actual experience.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on February 07, 2011, 05:28:00 PM
Guess what came in the mail this morning:)

I'm at work so you all will have to wait.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on February 07, 2011, 05:49:00 PM
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Originally posted by leatherneck:
Guess what came in the mail this morning:)

I'm at work so you'll all have to wait.
:campfire:

God bless,Mudd   :archer:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: JCJ on February 07, 2011, 08:02:00 PM
I just received a 68" 45# @ 28" David Miller "Old Tom" today. It is a used bow built in March 2010. It shoots well and is crafted nicely.
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Post by: SpankyNeal on February 07, 2011, 08:06:00 PM
You forgot something Jay...PICS, we need pics man!  :readit:
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Post by: Wannabe1 on February 07, 2011, 08:21:00 PM
Ya, what gives?! PICS MAN!   :D
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Post by: JCJ on February 07, 2011, 08:35:00 PM
My first David Miller bow. I have had several other Howard Hill and Hill style bows by top builders. This is a nice bow. Here are photo's:
   Trad Gang (http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=087021)
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Post by: Wannabe1 on February 07, 2011, 08:40:00 PM
I really liked that bow the first time I saw it! That Myrtle riser is the bomb. My next Tembo is going to have a Myrtle riser. I hope to find some here in Oregon and have it sent it to make the riser out of. If I remember correctly, Myrtle wood is only found in a few places in the world and Oregon is one of them.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on February 07, 2011, 08:43:00 PM
That's a beauty!!

You done good!

Enjoy it and can I call dibs?...lol

God bless, Mudd
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Post by: JCJ on February 07, 2011, 09:42:00 PM
Mudd gets first dibs if I sell!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on February 07, 2011, 10:35:00 PM
My bow is done just waiting on strings.Craig is having problems getting strings  :confused:
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Post by: longbowben on February 07, 2011, 10:36:00 PM
And leathernecks bow looks great!!!!!  :bigsmyl:
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Post by: leatherneck on February 07, 2011, 10:42:00 PM
But you all need to wait until tomorrow for pics. Sorry, I need to take them outside.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on February 07, 2011, 11:08:00 PM
:campfire:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Raging Water on February 07, 2011, 11:49:00 PM
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Originally posted by JohnHV:
A question for all you HH longbowmen.

I've never had the pleasure of shooting a HH, but I own and shoot a 65" BamaBow straight-limbed LB.  

For those of you who have shot both, how does shooting a HH compare with the BamaBow?
I have a 65" 74# at 28" Bama Bow. I love it, too. It shoots great. I am very accurate with my Bama Bow. I highly recommend Nate Steele's bows.

But, (Just like Mudd) I will also take out one of my Hills and shoot them side by side.

The Hill has a cool factor. So, I gotta shoot a Hill whenever I can.

Matt
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on February 08, 2011, 10:05:00 AM
Heres a couple teasers. Other pics on my post. Dont want to duplicate too much and hog up server space.
66" 54@27 HH Wesley Special. Bacote riser,carmelized bamboo limbs,horn tips,locator grip. My first Hill bow and I love it!

 (http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd312/sargeyriley/003-10.jpg)

 (http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd312/sargeyriley/004-7.jpg)

 (http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd312/sargeyriley/019-5.jpg)
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Post by: on February 08, 2011, 10:14:00 AM
Mike...love that riser!  Beautiful bow!!
I'll go have a look on your post.

Congrats man!   :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:
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Post by: leatherneck on February 08, 2011, 11:30:00 AM
I've just been humbled and taught a valuable lesson by my Wesley. It said "Treat me like a kid,I'll shoot like a kid. Treat me like a man and I'll shoot like a man".
I started off with a couple different arrows to see what it liked. Around 575grains. 2-3" left on the average. Tried different arrows and the same outcome. Went up a little in weight and not much difference. So I said,I'll teach you. I loaded up a 160 grain snuffer(+ 15 grain lead),125 grain steel BH insert,and a 50 grain brass insert. 665 grain GT with(350 up front) Went out to the target and said"Now take that"! My bows response was-a bullseye!!! Next shot-1" right. 3rd shot-bullseye. Dropped back to 25 yards to see how much drop-2" drop but centered. I have some tinkering to do yet but looks like this one loves heavy arrows.
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Post by: WESTBROOK on February 08, 2011, 12:00:00 PM
Yep, they sure do like heavy arrows!

For those that are familiar with Dave Millers bows, have any of you shot his model called the "Expedition"? It has a concave/convex limb..meaning that the bamboo is not ground into flat laminations but is left in its curved profile and laminated.

I talked with Dave at K'zoo alittle about it. He told me that some older Hill bows were made that way. According to Dave it makes for a stiffer/lighter limb, similar in theory to the Adcock limb.

Just wondering if any one has tried one..

Eric
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: ny state land on February 08, 2011, 12:33:00 PM
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Originally posted by longbowben:
My bow is done just waiting on strings.Craig is having problems getting strings   :confused:  
Mine also! Let me know if you here that they ship!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on February 08, 2011, 11:53:00 PM
I just had him send the bow out today without a string leatherneck had a spare.He said he would send the other two strings when they show up.Thanks leatherneck
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on February 09, 2011, 12:04:00 AM
My new-to-me HH Wesley Special got here today.

It's 70", 50@28.

 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Howard%20Hill%20bows/100_1409.jpg)
 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Howard%20Hill%20bows/100_1410.jpg)
 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Howard%20Hill%20bows/100_1411.jpg)
 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Howard%20Hill%20bows/100_1403.jpg)
 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Howard%20Hill%20bows/100_1408.jpg)

Sweet is just about as perfect a word I can think of to describe how it feels and shoots.

I came so close to ruining a couple of nocks with my 1st 3 arrows.

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on February 09, 2011, 03:29:00 AM
Sweet bow, Roy!
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Post by: on February 09, 2011, 05:38:00 AM
Roy.  I really like that one!  It's long enough and not too heavy...purrrrrrfect   ;)  
I get first dibbs!

Looks to me that she likes you too much tho..hah.. the story of my life.
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Post by: leatherneck on February 09, 2011, 08:43:00 AM
Mudd- Sweet addition to your collection!
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Post by: WESTBROOK on February 09, 2011, 11:30:00 AM
Beaut of a Bow Roy

You my friend have got it BAD!!

Eric
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Post by: OP-archer on February 09, 2011, 12:15:00 PM
Well, after 64 pages of entries I just had to get my .02 cents worth.  Last week I called Marty Thompson (Apex Predator - a TRADGANG Sponsor) and ordered a Cumberland (68" 48@28 Purple Heart/Satinwood riser with bamboo cores and lams under clear glass).  But with all this great information, I can now address my needs, trust his judgement and get a better fitting Hill-style bow that specifically suites me.  Thanks to everyone who contributed.  This has been an absolutely informative thread and has made me a more informed consumer and hopefully a satisified customer which every bowyer wants.  Rick
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Post by: Wannabe1 on February 09, 2011, 12:24:00 PM
OPRick, Marty is a great guy to deal with. He'll take care of you and that Cumberland model has already proved itself on deer and hogs. Make sure to post up some pics when she arrives!   :thumbsup:
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Post by: Kevin L. on February 09, 2011, 01:49:00 PM
Roy, beautiful Wesley. Ain't nothing that feels like bamboo.

OPRick, sounds like a winner. Be sure to post up some pics when it gets to ya.

Kevin
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Post by: David Mitchell on February 09, 2011, 03:13:00 PM
Wow, never heard of a bowyer having to hold up delivery due to no strings.  Somehow I just figured they made their own.  I would just have it shipped and make my own! Strings aren't hard to come by.
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Post by: droz il on February 09, 2011, 03:42:00 PM
Another beauty Roy, CONGRATS.
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Post by: Wannabe1 on February 09, 2011, 04:11:00 PM
Roy, that's another great bow to add to the collection! Congrats.   :thumbsup:
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Post by: RC on February 09, 2011, 06:32:00 PM
Nice quiver , I`ve been wanting one myself. May have to order one.
 Fine longbow Brother Mudd!!

OPRick, You`ll be very happy with the longbow Marty builds for you. It will be flawless and shoot good as it looks. RC
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Post by: Mudd on February 09, 2011, 06:49:00 PM
RC let's see your Super "D" bother.

Thanks for all the kind words.

I Need to thank TommyD for letting have his Wesley.

It is so sweet Tommy just as you said.

God bless,Mudd


PS: I think there's been another added to the ranks. Is that correct Montauks ?
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Post by: Tique on February 09, 2011, 08:08:00 PM
Nice bow Mudd; hope my Tempo looks as good. Now I gotta look at HH back quivers?? Lucky my wife doesn't look at this site.
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Post by: Tommy D on February 09, 2011, 08:42:00 PM
Glad it's working for you Mudd.

 Dont blame me for the busted nocks, that's on you.  :)
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Post by: Montauks on February 10, 2011, 08:30:00 AM
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PS: I think there's been another added to the ranks. Is that correct Montauks ?
Yep that's right, I had a Big 5 a few years ago and sold it, now once again thanks to Mudd I have another Big 5, 68" 50@28 BTW you won't find another person better than Mudd to deal with, one in a million, thanks Mudd

Gene
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 10, 2011, 08:49:00 AM
oh how the hills will be moving as the natives are quite restless ...  :D
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Post by: Kevin L. on February 10, 2011, 08:57:00 AM
Yeah Rob, it's too bad us Hill folks are scattered all over. It would be nice to have a get together and swap meet, save the brotherhood a lot of postage.
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Post by: Montauks on February 10, 2011, 08:58:00 AM
Yeah Rob, quite restless, time to make some arras for this bow!
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 10, 2011, 09:16:00 AM
gene, the minute there's a break in the weather i gotta get out to mahwah and stump - got a hog hunt coming up in april and wanna work the hill big5 into it if i can.
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Post by: on February 10, 2011, 09:24:00 AM
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Originally posted by Montauks:
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PS: ... BTW you won't find another person better than Mudd to deal with, one in a million, thanks Mudd

Gene [/b]
I think so too!  The Muddster has a heart of gold......and millions of bows to boot!  Methinks he will always be at the hub of the hill feeding frenzies.    :p
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Post by: Montauks on February 10, 2011, 09:41:00 AM
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 gene, the minute there's a break in the weather i gotta get out to mahwah and stump - got a hog hunt coming up in april and wanna work the hill big5 into it if i can.
Sounds good to me Rob I'm still in the Twp.  
   
Quote
The Muddster has a heart of gold.  
Yes he does, he sent me the Big 5 just to try out and use with no worries
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Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on February 10, 2011, 09:49:00 AM
WOW, 65 Pages and still going. It looks like the BTH (Brotherhood of the Hills) is growing nicely..
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Post by: Blueridge on February 10, 2011, 10:06:00 AM
My new Big 5 should be here in a day or two, minus the string [no big deal, i can use the string from my Wesley]  can't wait to see how the string follow shoots.
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Post by: longbowben on February 10, 2011, 11:46:00 AM
Wow this is the first time getting a bow 66" and i cant believe that it is 58lbs,This thing feels like a bow much lighter the other HH bow that is 64" and it pulls tight.Ok you guys made a believer out of me on longer is better.So here are a few pictures of my new baby. (http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj10/longbowben/DSC06826.jpg) (http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj10/longbowben/DSC06827.jpg)
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Post by: longbowben on February 10, 2011, 11:49:00 AM
I will post more pictures when someone is here to take some action pictures.Im in love!!!!!!!!!And my wife seen the look in my eyes,that's alright i can sleep in the hunting room!
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Post by: Mudd on February 10, 2011, 11:53:00 AM
Sweet looking bow Ben.

Is that white sand you're standing in?

I'd truly love to be standing on a beach of white sand about now.

I just came in from doing some more shoveling and it's a balmy -6 outside, the windchill is way below that.

I'll continue doing my shooting at short range here in the house.

God bless,Mudd

PS: Congratulations on the new bow Ben.
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Post by: stik&string on February 10, 2011, 11:54:00 AM
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that's alright i can sleep in the hunting room!  
I Know that feeling    :biglaugh:
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Post by: Wannabe1 on February 10, 2011, 12:09:00 PM
Congrats Ben! Look forward to more action pics.   :thumbsup:    :clapper:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on February 10, 2011, 12:23:00 PM
Ben you lucky dawg...she's gorgeous!
   :thumbsup:    :jumper:    :jumper:
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Post by: longbowben on February 10, 2011, 12:42:00 PM
No not sand SNOW and im tired of it.Thanks everyone she likes 30 1/2 inch 5575 with 285 up front.
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Post by: ny state land on February 10, 2011, 01:47:00 PM
Man that was super fast shipping and a real beauty! I just called HH and they said mine is shipping today and i should get it Monday!
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Post by: droz il on February 10, 2011, 01:58:00 PM
Nice bow Ben, congrats.
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Post by: Mudd on February 10, 2011, 02:01:00 PM
Ben I really can see better than to think that is sand but I figured I might gets us both thinking warm thoughts...lol

I am always, each and every time struck by the simple beauty of these bows.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kevin L. on February 10, 2011, 02:22:00 PM
Beautiful bow Ben. My first Hill was a Wesley with ebony riser and black 'glass. Things got tight and I ended up selling it. I'd love to find that one again.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on February 10, 2011, 03:25:00 PM
Nice Mate ! Ebony and 'boo under clear glass is hard to beat .

Wait til ya get a 68" ... then you'll be unable to miss.
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Post by: leatherneck on February 10, 2011, 04:13:00 PM
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Originally posted by Ben Maher:
Nice Mate ! Ebony and 'boo under clear glass is hard to beat .

Wait til ya get a 68" ... then you'll be unable to miss.
I just told him that same thing this morning. I think my next one I'll try a 68". He got a sweet looking bow. Too bad it's shelf is on the wrong side.   :bigsmyl:
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Post by: canopyboy on February 10, 2011, 04:57:00 PM
Ok, I picked up my Owl blank in person back in January.  It was cool meeting Craig and Jason, but they were so busy with y'all's orders that I didn't want to steal much of their time.  Just glad I got my order in when I did.  The blank was ready in less than 2 weeks.

I liked the idea of the blank for several reasons, the most important of which was that I could play with the handle design until it was perfect before finishing.

Well, I'll post some pictures when it's all done, but here are some of the current progress.  Reading all 60 some-odd pages the last couple days makes me want to post something.  I've got the spray equipment out for the wife's new bathroom cabinets, so it only made sense to get a couple bows sprayed at the same time.

The Owl is 68", 55# @ 29", Coco riser.  I ended up with essentially a locator grip, but shaped to my hand including some slight indents for the fingers.  I love the riser wood so much, it seems a shame to wrap it.  So I'll keep shooting it without the wrap for now.  When summer comes and the hand starts to sweat I may have to rethink though.

Here it is strung and sanded, awaiting the finish:
  (http://images.imagelinky.com/1297374659.jpg)
Here is the lower (I think) tip.  I applied my own antler overlays just for giggles:
  (http://images.imagelinky.com/1297374151.jpg)

And the handle, sorry for the poor cell phone pic quality:
  (http://images.imagelinky.com/1297374747.jpg)

And finally the whole bow being sprayed.  (It's the one in the background, the only way I could get the whole bow in the pick.  Plus my daughter's handle looks cool....):
  (http://images.imagelinky.com/1297374804.jpg)
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Post by: leatherneck on February 10, 2011, 04:59:00 PM
canopyboy-Sure looks like it was done by a pure professional. Awesome looking bow!
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Post by: Wannabe1 on February 10, 2011, 05:01:00 PM
That is way cool! Can't wait to see the whole bow finished. Was it hard applying the antler limb tips?
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Post by: SpankyNeal on February 10, 2011, 05:07:00 PM
Real beauties guys! I had a Tembo and a Wesley with Ebony and black glass, and they were sweet! I love that combination, but after seeing Ben's I think it looks great with clear as well...excellent choice Ben, and a great job on that owl blank too canopyboy!   :clapper:
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Post by: Kevin L. on February 10, 2011, 05:10:00 PM
Nice job on the Owl Canopyboy    :thumbsup:
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Post by: Mudd on February 10, 2011, 05:28:00 PM
I concur, you did an outstanding job on your Owl Hill.

I wish I had the guts to get a blank and finish it but it would be a very expensive lottery ticket...lol

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 10, 2011, 10:10:00 PM
hill bucket list item #3 - tembo t/d bow blank.  :)
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Post by: Wannabe1 on February 10, 2011, 10:14:00 PM
I'm actually contemplating a bow blank myself. I sent Craig an email and got some answers to a couple of questions that I had. Got to get a couple of things squared away first though.   :rolleyes:
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Post by: stik&string on February 10, 2011, 10:50:00 PM
I just want to take a moment to again thank everyone that has contributed to this thread. The info found in these pages led me to buy my first Hill bow, a in-stock Half Breed. I got it a few days ago but today was the first time I could shoot it. To say that I am hooked is an understatment. I shot the thing for a few hours until my back was screaming for mercy. I have bows that may be quicker and but none that are "cooler" or more accurate. The only problem is now I have to order one a little closer to my specs  :banghead: .
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on February 10, 2011, 10:53:00 PM
Giddyyuuuppp!
Good stuff Stik&string ...
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Post by: canopyboy on February 10, 2011, 10:54:00 PM
wannabe1 - antler tips were easy.  I roughed 'em out, flattened the bottom, and used epoxy to adhere.  Then ground, shaped, and sanded to the final shape.

Yeah, and I can't wait to see the whole thing finished myself.   Needs a few more coats though.

I learned that if you're not in it for the fun of doing it yourself, it's not worth it simply to save the money.  There's a lot of work still involved to get a bow blank finished out the rest of the way.  That said, I'd have a hard time not finishing the next one myself too.  Dual shelf sounds fun....
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Post by: Wannabe1 on February 10, 2011, 10:57:00 PM
I'd definitely be in it for the fun. I have others to shoot while working on it so, I'd take my time and do it right. I don't have sprayers so, what would be a good way to put the finish on?
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Post by: canopyboy on February 10, 2011, 10:58:00 PM
You know, reading through all   60+ pages in a row was interesting.  Some memorable quotes in there too.

But the best part was having the proof for my wife that things could get a lot worse than they are here....  I've only bought two bows so far.  (Well, three if you count one for my youngest daughter.)  Some of y'all have a serious problem.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 10, 2011, 10:59:00 PM
stik&string: we need pics of your Half Breed!   :D    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on February 10, 2011, 10:59:00 PM
Well, let me just say this. Before my Hill bow I shot(and still do) a high end bow. I will add this about speed if it's your thing. The same draw weight,arrow,etc.,and with the naked eye I believe my Hill is faster. So to say that speed is a flaw in a Hill bow is beyond me.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on February 10, 2011, 11:01:00 PM
Holy cow,I was the 1000 post on this thread. Rob,wheres my gold watch? OK, I settle for one of your HH bows.  :bigsmyl:
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Post by: canopyboy on February 10, 2011, 11:01:00 PM
I've brushed other bows.  Depends on the finish you're applying.  If you want to get rid of brush marks (often the right finish with the right amount of the right thinner makes for no marks) you can always do a final wet sand and wax.  I think there's a thread or two on the subject if you search the bowyer's bench forum.
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Post by: canopyboy on February 10, 2011, 11:04:00 PM
Congrats leatherneck....  That's an honor right there.

Of course, I just now figured out how to tell what post I'm on.  Guess I had 998 and 1002.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: stik&string on February 10, 2011, 11:06:00 PM
Wannabe: Pics will be coming when it is not -30 outside  :biglaugh:  

Leatherneck: I just reread my post and I didn't want the speed thing to sound that way, I really don't care about the speed and it is an unfair comparsion on my part. My Hill is 55 @ 26 and most of my other bows are 75-100 so of course the Hill will be slower.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on February 10, 2011, 11:24:00 PM
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Originally posted by stik&string:
Wannabe: Pics will be coming when it is not -30 outside   :biglaugh:  

Leatherneck: I just reread my post and I didn't want the speed thing to sound that way, I really don't care about the speed and it is an unfair comparsion on my part. My Hill is 55 @ 26 and most of my other bows are 75-100 so of course the Hill will be slower.
No brother, my comment was not from your post. Sorry if it seemed that way. I was more or less just making a statement in reference to the non-believers.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on February 10, 2011, 11:26:00 PM
Holy cow!!!  75-100-You just made my shoulder hurt.lol
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 11, 2011, 08:54:00 AM
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Originally posted by Wannabe1:
I'd definitely be in it for the fun. I have others to shoot while working on it so, I'd take my time and do it right. I don't have sprayers so, what would be a good way to put the finish on?
i doubt one could beat a min-wax wipe-on polyu finish.  i would always suggest gloss instead of satin - the gloss formula is just better and the last coat can be wooled down to a satin or matte finish if need be.  the wipe on formula is self leveling, leaving a very smooth, glass-like finish.

with oily woods such as cocobolo, they need to be sealed and prepped before any finish can be applied.  i use water thin cya, spread *quickly* with a folded cotton pad (wearing a surgical glove!).  a few coats of that, with 0000 wooling in between should suffice before moving on to whatever clear coats.

another good finish is the 'massey' - slow set epoxy diluted with acetone.  a weak slurry is mixed up and wiped on with a cotton pad, 0000 wooled between coats.

but still, imo, very hard to beat good ol' min-wax gloss wipe-on polyu - yes, ONLY the resin based clear, and NOT the water based stuff.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Molson on February 11, 2011, 09:08:00 AM
I think this might have been answered but I can't find it...

On the Hill site it mentions the 115 fps plus bow weight as the average speed.  This would suggest that overall performance goes up with bow weight without regard to the arrow weight ratio.  I don't see how that can be correct unless there actually is a design flaw that shows itself in the lower weights.  Now I don't think that's the case, but I am curious as to how Craig came up with that statement.  Is it based on a specific weight arrow shot from different weight bows?  That would make perfect sense.  Does anybody know?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on February 11, 2011, 09:14:00 AM
Ding! Ding! Ding!

If I counted correctly leatherneck made post number 1,000...Wow!!!!!

Great thread!!!

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 11, 2011, 09:14:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Molson:
I think this might have been answered but I can't find it...

On the Hill site it mentions the 115 fps plus bow weight as the average speed.  This would suggest that overall performance goes up with bow weight without regard to the arrow weight ratio.  I don't see how that can be correct unless there actually is a design flaw that shows itself in the lower weights.  Now I don't think that's the case, but I am curious as to how Craig came up with that statement.  Is it based on a specific weight arrow shot from different weight bows?  That would make perfect sense.  Does anybody know?
one would assume and hope it's based on a constant gpp, such as a base of 10.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Molson on February 11, 2011, 09:30:00 AM
Rob if that's the case, then the problem is you are actually losing ratio performance at lower weights. I would hope a 500 grain arrow from a 50# bow shoots more or less about that same as a 600 grain arrow from a 60# bow.

If it was based on a constant arrow weight, like 600 grains shot from 50#, 60#, 70# then I could see the 115 fps plus bow weight as being accurate and there wouldn't be any issue.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on February 11, 2011, 09:39:00 AM
Be carefull...you guys are gonna throw us back into that "does the bow fit you properly" thing with a question like that!    :campfire:      :coffee:

Too many variables so that's why it's an average. I've personally seen a Wesley get that speed with 7.5gpp, and a carbon Wesley get it with 9gpp so the materials used in the bow, and the fit to you, do matter in that respect.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 11, 2011, 09:47:00 AM
hmmm, lessee ...

bow = arra = speed    
45# = 450gr = 160fps
55# = 550gr = 170fps
65# = 650gr = 180fps

can those numbers be believed? (nope, i say)

what does all that mean?   :dunno:   probably squat.

there are a lotta factors to consider, particularly between human and mechanical bow 'speed tests'.  actually, i could really care less.  no hill style longbow is ever gonna be a speed demon, nor close to even a good mild r/d longbow.  they is what they is.  and that's a very good thing, imo.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on February 11, 2011, 09:49:00 AM
Simplicity, simplicity, simplicity.....

If it goes beyond this then we must be talking about something else....lol

God bless,Mudd

PS: There is another bow that reminds me of a miniaturized Hill. I owned and wish I had another Martin "The Stick". It was so cute and deadly!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on February 11, 2011, 09:52:00 AM
Hill bucket list-
Tembo with stringfollow.

The new Big Five 50# bow with carmelized limbs that I received in January is really sweat shooting; I can't get over how much more faster this bow is then my 55# Hill bow.

Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 11, 2011, 09:53:00 AM
anyone have a t/d sleeve craig hill longbow???  

looking to get the length of the separated limbset, versus the connected length.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 11, 2011, 09:57:00 AM
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Originally posted by tradlongbow:
...

The new Big Five 50# bow with carmelized limbs that I received in January is really sweat shooting; I can't get over how much more faster this bow is then my 55# Hill bow.

Darren
ok, for comparison purposes - for each bow of those 2 bows ... length, holding wt, limbset (back, straight, string follow) ... please?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: pavan on February 11, 2011, 10:42:00 AM
Darren, I have read on here that the caramelized bamboo can be quicker.  I was told that same thing from Schulz regarding proper heat tempering.  I have been part of longbow shooters gathering around a set of chronographs, comparing bows. It can be a rather painful thing to witness.  They don't all shoot the same predictable speeds.  I myself am guilty of giving bows away and getting out the file and sand paper because of it.  Rob says that even a mild r/d will be quicker, the last bow I gave away was a 68" Ballenger custom job unlike the 7 Lakes bows of today.  It is a magnificent bow, it was quicker than a heavier Hill bow, shooting the same arrows at the same draw by a good margin and in many ways even more forgiving.  It was nearly identical to a yew Hill style bow I have of the same weight, which was also faster than the heavier bow. All of these bows bows were tested with both B50 and fast flight strings.  I felt bad about the whole thing, the heavier Hill was a gift from me, until the comparisons were made, the fellow I gave the bow to, thought he had the most devastating deer killing tool he had ever had.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Molson on February 11, 2011, 10:46:00 AM
I'm all about simplicity and don't mean to turn it into any technical talk.  There's far more to a good hunting bow than just its speed.  I'm really just curious as to how Craig came up with that. It had to come from somewhere and I figured one of you guys had asked him before.

There's no doubt two bows, even though they are "the same", can be quite different.  My 60# Osage Bushbow does not shoot as fast as the 56# Hickory Bushbow I had.  I still like the Osage better.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 11, 2011, 11:03:00 AM
heat tempering bamboo/cane ("caramelizing") always increases stiffness, compression and durability.  

as an example, if 2 tembos were built to the precise same spex, but one had the boo heat tempered to the point of changing the pith color (and molecular composition), the heat tempered limbed bow will be higher in draw weight.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Montauks on February 11, 2011, 11:14:00 AM
For what it's worth i'm pretty sure all the bamboo in hill bows is "Tempered" is caramelizing just taking it further or a different process?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 11, 2011, 11:20:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Montauks:
For what it's worth i'm pretty sure all the bamboo in hill bows is "Tempered" is caramelizing just taking it further or a different process?
yes.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: canopyboy on February 11, 2011, 11:27:00 AM
I read a great scientific paper on heat treating bamboo.  Titled "Bamboo in the Laboratory" by Wolfram Schott.  I'm an engineer and this helped me put my hands around all the anecdotal evidence out there.  Google it, it should still be available as a .pdf.

The stuff was centered on fly rods, but it really came down to drying out the bamboo if I remember.  Air drying gets rid of most of the free water, or water within the cells.  But there is also water tied up in the cellular walls and tissues themselves that don't really leave until heated to higher temperatures.  And when the water leaves these trapped areas, it doesn't come back even in a humid environment.  This is where the real effect of heat treating is seen.  

I think that it is also the same mechanism for heat treating other woods as well.  The trick is to get drive it to the optimum point before the tissues actually start to break down (then it's a little too dark.)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: canopyboy on February 11, 2011, 11:28:00 AM
Carmelizing is the same process as tempering.  It just heats it a little further, darkening the wood and driving out more of the trapped moisture.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 11, 2011, 11:31:00 AM
i 'heat temper' bamboo to the point of 'caramelizing' - this bubbles the resin, changes the molecular structure, and can color the boo from light tan to chocolate brown, depending on how much heat and how long.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on February 11, 2011, 11:40:00 AM
pavan, that's the problem I have seen before with speed comparisons.  A guy may be perfectly happy with a bow until he gets a number in his mind!  Then can't get over that number.  I read a comment by Dick Robertson a few years ago--he had made a self bow and was really shooting it well and planned to hunt with it that fall....until he decided to shoot it through a chrony.  He was surprised and disappointed in the "performance" and hung the bow up for a while  until he thought it over.  He decided not to let a number stop him from using the bow he had previously been completely happy with.  I think there is something there we need to think about.  I am a little concerned with the increasing interest in speed in traditonal circles.  Just my thoughts.  ;)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Montauks on February 11, 2011, 12:18:00 PM
Dave I think I found it    HERE (http://www.powerfibers.com/BAMBOO_IN_THE_LABORATORY.pdf)  probably more than anyone would want to know..lol
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: canopyboy on February 11, 2011, 12:24:00 PM
I'm never sure of the rules for posting links, so I generally don't.  But yeah, you found it.

If you don't want to try to digest 29 pages of technical mumbo-jumbo, aim for the conclusions on page 20.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: WESTBROOK on February 11, 2011, 12:42:00 PM
Rob said it best

 
Quote
what does all that mean?  probably squat.
If speed is your game you should probably back up to square 1 and pick a different style of bow.

Other than that, enjoy them for what they are.

Eric
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on February 11, 2011, 01:00:00 PM
All you need is enough to give sufficient penetration, with a hunting weight arrow, to cleanly harvest your intended quary...anything more than that is just extra dirt on your arrows!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Montauks on February 11, 2011, 01:13:00 PM
Don't get me wrong i'm not interested in speed numbers i was just curious as to what "tempered bamboo" means I think if we were all obsessed about speed pertaining to an arrow we would be shooting the compound arrow launching devices
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 11, 2011, 01:20:00 PM
I like to watch the flight of my arrow!   :D
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: canopyboy on February 11, 2011, 01:24:00 PM
The refresh rate on my eyes is a bit slow.  About the only time I really get to watch the flight of the arrow is when I throw it....
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 11, 2011, 01:30:00 PM
My Tembo was fast enough yesterday that this one didn't get out of the way!     :biglaugh:     15yds and all most got my first Robin Hood.

  (http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/TradNut/101_0382.jpg)
  (http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/TradNut/101_0383.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Montauks on February 11, 2011, 01:31:00 PM
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I like to watch the flight of my arrow!  
Me too especially in archery golf, point the arra high and let er fly!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on February 11, 2011, 04:38:00 PM
Rob Said ...
 
Quote
  anyone have a t/d sleeve craig hill longbow???

looking to get the length of the separated limbset, versus the connected length.
 
Not sure how you mean Rob But I'll measure mine up this arvo for you .
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 11, 2011, 04:41:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ben Maher:
Rob Said ...
   
Quote
  anyone have a t/d sleeve craig hill longbow???

looking to get the length of the separated limbset, versus the connected length.
 
Not sure how you mean Rob But I'll measure mine up this arvo for you . [/b]
thanx ben - need to know bow length, then separate the limbs and measure each limb from end to end.  need to get a feel for how long it is broken down for air travel.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on February 11, 2011, 04:44:00 PM
Rob, longbowben has one. I know the bow length is 64". When he gets home from work I'm sure he'll see this and measure it for you.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: MikeM on February 11, 2011, 05:09:00 PM
Rob I have 70" Hill take-downs. The upper limb includes the sleeve and is 39" the lower limb slips into the sleeve and is 35"
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on February 11, 2011, 06:54:00 PM
Rob-

To answer your question, both bows are 68" long with a 28"draw,cocobola risers, one is 55# and the other is 50#'s. The difference is 5#'s and without using a chronograph the carmelized seems to be quicker as the arrow doesn't drop until I'm further away from the target. I usually buy my shafts between 340-360grain, but I haven't grain weighed these shafts yet.

I was just noticing a difference with the new bow that I'm very pleased with. The carmelized limbs seem a little stiffer almost like how carbon on the limbs of a bow feels. On another thread I asked Leatherneck what he thaught of his new bow with carmelized limbs, since he doesn't have another Hill to compare it with he couldn't make a comparison, but he did say that he is very happy with the bow.

My next bow will be a Tembo stringfollow with a carmelized limbs.

Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on February 11, 2011, 07:03:00 PM
Rob-

About 12years ago I had a bow made with the takedown sleeve and it was great for traveling. However, Whenever I drew the string back to anchor, you would hear the metal sleeves clicking. I tried everything from oil to wax, but it didn't help. I really like the hinge system much better that Vince uses on his Mohawks. I would check with Craig and see if he can use the hinge on a Hill, it might be a better way to go. You can always buy one and send it to him.

Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 11, 2011, 07:04:00 PM
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Originally posted by MikeM:
Rob I have 70" Hill take-downs. The upper limb includes the sleeve and is 39" the lower limb slips into the sleeve and is 35"
good scoop, thanx mike.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 11, 2011, 07:12:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by tradlongbow:
Rob-

About 12years ago I had a bow made with the takedown sleeve and it was great for traveling. However, Whenever I drew the string back to anchor, you would hear the metal sleeves clicking. I tried everything from oil to wax, but it didn't help. I really like the hinge system much better that Vince uses on his Mohawks. I would check with Craig and see if he can use the hinge on a Hill, it might be a better way to go. You can always buy one and send it to him.

Darren
yeah, all my 'hawks are connexion t/d's - what a great system.

i had a pac yes sleeve t/d, worked just fine, perfect fit - not loose or tight - but i do know sleeves can be a problem times.

i don't think i'd like the look of connexion hill, and the riser would need to be modified to accept the long hinge plates.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 11, 2011, 07:13:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by tradlongbow:
Rob-

To answer your question, both bows are 68" long with a 28"draw,cocobola risers, one is 55# and the other is 50#'s. The difference is 5#'s and without using a chronograph the carmelized seems to be quicker as the arrow doesn't drop until I'm further away from the target. I usually buy my shafts between 340-360grain, but I haven't grain weighed these shafts yet.

I was just noticing a difference with the new bow that I'm very pleased with. The carmelized limbs seem a little stiffer almost like how carbon on the limbs of a bow feels. On another thread I asked Leatherneck what he thaught of his new bow with carmelized limbs, since he doesn't have another Hill to compare it with he couldn't make a comparison, but he did say that he is very happy with the bow.

My next bow will be a Tembo stringfollow with a carmelized limbs.

Darren
ok, which weight bow has the caramelized limbs?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on February 11, 2011, 07:25:00 PM
Rob-

The new bow with the carmelized limbs is 50#. That's why I'm so impressed with it.

Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: RC on February 11, 2011, 07:26:00 PM
I got some cedars for my Big 5 yesterday. The 2016`s shoot good ,the carbons shoot good....but the cedar wins out. I have not hunted with a wood arrow in several years but Its kinda drawing me. Gonna hunt Lord Willing tomorrow with the carbons I been shooting but some cedars and no mercy heads are gonna get tuned up.

  To be longbows that jar out your teeth and ain`t suited for hunting just nostalgic this shore has been a long thread.....I ain`t a good speller by the way.RC
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 11, 2011, 07:31:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by tradlongbow:
Rob-

The new bow with the carmelized limbs is 50#. That's why I'm so impressed with it.

Darren
the new big 5 w/caramelized string follow limbs is due in next week (?), 68", 50#@28" - but knowing that almost all hills are heavier than labeled, at my 29" it'll probably read closer to 55# on my digital scale.

real interested to see these limbs, for both the ambered boo and limbset.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Raging Water on February 11, 2011, 07:32:00 PM
Wood Arrows and Hill Bows just go together, nuff said.

Matt
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 11, 2011, 07:34:00 PM
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Originally posted by Raging Water:
Wood Arrows and Hill Bows just go together, nuff said.

Matt
+1  :thumbsup:   ;)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 11, 2011, 07:44:00 PM
This may be true but, I gotta say something about my AD Trad Lites! They seem to shoot better than my wood shafts.    :)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on February 11, 2011, 08:40:00 PM
Wannabe1-

I tried the AD lites many years ago when they first came out; they shot good, and I liked them but as I remember they were too expensive for me. How much do they go for these days?

Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on February 11, 2011, 08:45:00 PM
I still reckon Ben Maher owes us some pictures.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 11, 2011, 08:54:00 PM
Darren, I'm still shooting the same dozen I got 5yrs ago. Just busted the nock on one yesterday with dang near my first robin hood. I got them cut to length, nocks and inserts installed and fletched. Not sure what they'd go for these days.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: stik&string on February 11, 2011, 09:38:00 PM
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To be longbows that jar out your teeth and ain`t suited for hunting just nostalgic this shore has been a long thread
:bigsmyl:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on February 11, 2011, 10:36:00 PM
Rob my 64" takedown has a bottom piece is 32" and the top is 36" .
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: WESTBROOK on February 12, 2011, 12:09:00 AM
Here ya go Rob, a Hill style with a connection hinge, dont even know its there.

 (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h121/mandoman_2006/Northern%20Mist%20bows/DSC01514.jpg)
 (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h121/mandoman_2006/Northern%20Mist%20bows/DSC01515.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on February 12, 2011, 01:15:00 AM
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Originally posted by WESTBROOK:
Here ya go Rob, a Hill style with a connection hinge, dont even know its there.

  (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h121/mandoman_2006/Northern%20Mist%20bows/DSC01514.jpg)
  (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h121/mandoman_2006/Northern%20Mist%20bows/DSC01515.jpg)
I have been diggin' for info and pics on the connection.  Rob posted a pic of one done that was not too beautiful, you could see the hinge poking out a bit which messed up the leather and I would think feel that thing every time you grabbed ahold of the grip...hence he mentions is concerns there...same as mine till I see your post...nice installation!  I really like the concept of the :hinge"  simple, solid.  I hate the sleeves.

Maybe Rob will post that pic for us all to compare.

I ordered a bow from Craig a couple days ago and asked him if he ever did the hinge...response was "tried it once...didn't like how it turned out so I am sticking to the sleeve"

Westbrook, who did your hinge?  I hope to find a competent bowyer to retro-fit my incoming bow.  I would PM you about this but maybe everyone here interested in t/d systems can learn as well...if there is anything to learn.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on February 12, 2011, 01:24:00 AM
Awesome news on your order Tony!!

Tell me about it.

Inquiring minds want to know...lol

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on February 12, 2011, 01:51:00 AM
Mudd!  Its got to be 2:30am there!  
You are as crazy as I am - fun isn't it??  HA!

Ok - I had made my decision last week to buy a Tembo but I could never get the concept of the Half Breed out of my mind.  I know and can appreciate the bamboo but I also learned that Yew can also be efficient while adding a smoother feel.  So I pulled the trigger on the Half Breed...thinking the combination of caramelized boo enveloping two lams of yew would be the ticket.  I really am tired of the "hyper performance" thing...just want a good bow that'll dance with me..(I did not say beau)

Stats:  Stringfollow 69" - 57@29", tillered at 30".  Craig will mark the actual draw weight at 28" on the bow (thanks Rob...good advice)

Cocobolo riser, moderate locator, with black Elk stiched wrap.  
Black glass on the back, clear glass on the belly over Caramelized Bamboo.
Bamboo limb tips (delicate)

A while back, you were wondering what happened to my handle "macatawa"....I gave it to my bow.  Macatawa means "black water" in Native American tongue.  I grew up on the shores of Lake Macatawa and, way back then I learned about Howard Hill...sweet memories.


Now....get some sleep!    :cool:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on February 12, 2011, 05:26:00 AM
Sounds like a jewel in the making.

It's been one of those nights where sleep is evading me.

The knee is making sure that even if I thought about it(which I haven't..lol).. well let's just say it's not gonna happen most likely unless I break down and take a real pain killer pill.
I actually hate taking those, they just about wipe my slate clean.

Thanks for taking your time to tell me all about what you've ordered.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Tique on February 12, 2011, 09:20:00 AM
I'd like to know who did the "hinge" on Westbrooks bow too. When I ordered my Tembo I wanted a 2 piece but since I don't like the sleeve design I ordered a 1 piece. Having the option to retro-fit a "hinge" later would be nice.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Bent Rig on February 12, 2011, 10:57:00 AM
Do the 2 pieces on that "connexion" hinge come apart - like a quick hook connect hinge or just hinge back on itself ?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on February 12, 2011, 11:03:00 AM
Are there more than a couple of designs of hardware for making two piece takedowns.

The one that was on my BW wasn't either the sleeve nor the hinge but I don't know the name.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on February 12, 2011, 11:09:00 AM
Westbrook's bow is a Northern Mist. Steve uses the hinge exclusively and it's a good design! It comes apart into two pieces for transport unlike the GN hinge that does not. I owned a Liberty Contender with the hinge and liked it very much! There are some other systems like the bow bolt, and some that require tools to assemble, but some of them are also not compatible with the narrow Hill risers.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 12, 2011, 11:25:00 AM
for me, the best 2pc hinge is still the connexion, as on my 'hawks.  

a t/d sleeved 68" hill wouldn't fit into my coleman 36" luggage. but a connexion 68" hill would just fit.  maybe i just need to cut up a hill and do it myself ... to a tembo bow blank.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: WESTBROOK on February 12, 2011, 11:55:00 AM
Kens right, its a Northern Mist Classic, Steve put the hinge in it when it was built. The overlays on the front of the riser
(normally not on a Classic) allow the hinge to appear flush. I could not even feel it there. This was my absolute favorite bow to shoot, it seemed I could do no wrong with it.

BUT..It made a  "clap" noise at the time of the shot, which turned out to be the handle opening and closing real quick(as you would open it to take it apart). The hinge was installed properly, operateted smoothly with ZERO slop. I tried every thing I could think of to put between the handles, leather, cork, gasket material..It all worked for a little while but always came back.

I attribute the noise to nothing other that a combination of a 30" draw, limb mass of a 68" Hill style bow and low tension at brace height of a Hill style bow. Your bending alot of wood on a 68" Hill bow with a 30" draw, with all that energy moving forward and coming to an abrupt stop, the low brace tension was allowing the handle to open up. And yes, I shoot heavy arrows, that all I got. I could also draw the bow 3-4" and dry fire and make the same noise.

In no way what so ever do I question Steves wormanship or methods, he's done alot of these with no issue, If he suspected anything he would have fixed it without hesitation. I just dont think the hinge is best suited for this (my)scenario.

But anyway, thats my story. I was ready to put a 3" deck screw through the handle and make it a 1 piece, it shot so well.

Eric
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 12, 2011, 12:01:00 PM
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Originally posted by WESTBROOK:
... I was ready to put a 3" deck screw through the handle and make it a 1 piece, it shot so well.

Eric
yep, that's an easy, quick fix - and still have it function as a viable t/d.  why not just do it?  recess for a small allen bolt and make that the last part of the t/d assembly function.  that's what i'd do, for sure.
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Post by: on February 12, 2011, 12:12:00 PM
interesting...and a bit disappointing.

An "extra bolt" would not bother me a bit for the convenience of the system.  I just can't imagine a good way/place to put the bolt without turning the bow into a cobble job.

I don't think it would be a difficult installation but it would be nice to do it as a part of the build like Eric said.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 12, 2011, 12:24:00 PM
for an experienced woodworker, not all that difficult to accomplish.  drill a 5/16" forstner bit hole from just below the bottom of the handle, where the leather grip meets the riser, at about a 15deg angle for about 1/2" to 5/8".  into that hole drill a 1/8" hole to connect the two halves of the riser.  tap the wood for a long allen bolt screw thread.  wick in thin cya to harden the wood threads - allow to thoroughly harden.  wax the bolt and screw it in.  or just use a dry wall screw - the forstner bit recess covers the screw head.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Tique on February 12, 2011, 06:57:00 PM
maybe i just need to cut up a hill and do it myself ... to a tembo bow blank.

Go ahead Rob, practice on your blank. When your done and have the technique mastered, I'll send my Tembo to you for the conversion.
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Post by: Ricker on February 12, 2011, 10:58:00 PM
I ordered a Northern Mist Shelton at the Kazoo show and Steve is going to do a socket type take down for me.  I ordered it 65#@28 66" long.  I recently picked up a 57 pounder with the same specs on the classifieds and I really like it, but I would like more pounds and the ability to break it down so that one will have to go pretty soon.
Steve said he has done the socket type before but has mostly done the connection hinges.  Me personally, I much prefer the socket to anything I have ever used or shot.  If you weren't told it was there I doubt a person could tell by merely looking at the bow.
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Post by: on February 12, 2011, 11:18:00 PM
Rick, when you say "socket" is that the same thing as a "sleeve" - where the lower half of the bow is pushed into the upper half..??
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Post by: Ricker on February 12, 2011, 11:38:00 PM
Tony,
It is the style Black Widow, Big Jim and Abe Penner at Cari-Bow builds....Nate Steele is doing them at Bama Bow and also Jack Harrison.  To answer your question, yes it slips together in the middle.
Very nice as it leaves the bow looking exactly like a one piece more so than the brass sleeve and I think it looks much cleaner.  The bowyer can also easily make any type of grip you prefer vs. a broomstick style that most get with a sleeve.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Greg Skinner on February 12, 2011, 11:38:00 PM
I've been following this thread since its beginning and have a few comments regarding several of the topics discussed.  

First of all about the bow blank and the connexion hinge.  In my opinion the HH blank is really the route to go.  I did my first one about 9 years ago on a 66" Cheetah blank.  There had been a thread on another forum in which someone had installed the hinge on his Wesley Special, so I decided to try it on the blank.  It turned out great and wasn't that tough to do, nor was the finishing of the blank itself.  I felt the advantage of doing it myself was that I could shape the handle exactly the way I wanted it.  I never had any trouble whatsoever with the hinge system and it was one of my favorite bows - it was about 53# @27" - too bad it got burned in a house fire 6 years ago.

After I lost that bow and the shop with which to build another, I ordered a HalfBreed from Craig, finished with a small sleeve.  I ordered it 53#@27".  Unlike Rob's experience, when I checked it on my scale it checked at 49# @ 27", which was a little lighter than I wanted.  

So, when I ordered my Tembo blank a couple of years ago I figured to get a final weight of 53-54 # I should order a couple pounds over.  So I ordered a 66" Tembo with the carbon strip on the back covered with black glass to be 56# @27".  The blank came to me marked 56# + 5.  When I checked it, sure enough it was 61# on the money.  I did alot of sanding to get it down to 57#, which was about the most I wanted to pull. I went ahead and finished it, using the Massey epoxy wipe-on finish, which, incidentally was easy to apply, is extremely tough and has proven to be a great finish.

I have been shooting that bow for two years, now, and it is hands down my favorite bow.  The only downside is it is not a TD.  So I am chomping at the bit to order another blank with which to create a TD.  I purchased a Hinge when I got that blank, but I didn't have all the equipment to install it, so I just finished that blank as a one-piece. Also, when Craig roughed out the handle he rounded the back a little too much for the width of the Hinge.  If you think you want to try the Hinge I would recommend telling Craig to leave the back side of the handle square so you have plenty of width for the Hinge.

I really like the shooting characteristics of the Tembo with the carbon and black glass.  It seems a bit snappier and faster with that set up, but the new one I order will be with either lamboo or the carmelized bamboo.

This has been a great thread and very informative.  The other area of discussion covered on previous pages was the relationship between bow length and draw length.  My draw length is right at 26 1/2 and the 66" length has been great for me.  The 68" Cheetah I got from Mudd in a trade (it is marked 60#@28" but measures 53# @27")is a very smooth shooter but I definitely notice more thump at the shot than with my Tembo. It is an older model with more back set than what Craig is using now - at least it has more than my Tembo.  Also, it feels as though I'm not getting as much out of that length of bow at my draw length as I do with the 66". I've never tried a 64" and would like to, but don't want to buy one at that length in case I don't like it.

I have some pics of the Tembo I finished but never could figure out how to post them.  I'd be glad to e-mail to someone if he would be kind enough to post them for me.
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Post by: on February 13, 2011, 01:36:00 AM
Greg, great info.  I am looking at the back of a Craig-finished riser...typically narrow and comfortable.  Take a look at the hinge take-down on the bow that Rob is holding in the pic of his profile.  He did not install it..and I'm sure he has the same thing in mind as you..start from scratch..Rob will do it up right, talented boy he is!

I also learned a metric ton of good stuff here.  This has been a great resource for many.  Interesting about the carbon...does Craig use it and, if so, what is the cost to add it?
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Post by: bicster on February 13, 2011, 06:35:00 AM
I would like to thank everybody for their input on here. I have been shooting a 64" 50@28" HH Longbowman's Choice for 2 years now. I have a 26.5" draw and wanted a 66" straight grip TD bow for some time to try out. After saving my money and reading these threads I found a 66" Shelton that was owned by Okie Man and before that by Mudd. I bought this bow to try out the longer lenghth, straight grip, and string follow characteristics. I absolutely love it. I don't know if it is the grip or the string follow but I seem to be more consistent from day to day with it. Now I know what I would like to order when I get enought cash saved up again.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on February 13, 2011, 06:55:00 AM
You guys are so bad.. for me...lol

Maybe I'm easily swayed but now you've got me thinking about a take-down model.

That can't be good as it means I'll need to find one or have one of mine fixed. (more money gone!)

I thought I was in trouble when I started trying the different grips other than straight and now this.....lol

I love it!!!..lol I doubt I'll run out of new things to try for a very long time.

Thank you folks!!

PS: If any of you know of a miniaturized version of a hill style bow like a Martin "The Stick" you might point me in that direction.
Had one and and now it's memory keeps popping back up. I loved how it shot and felt. "A dwarf Hill style!"
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 13, 2011, 07:14:00 AM
the connexion hinge on my 'hawk ...

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/conn1.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/conn2.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/conn3.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/conn4.jpg)
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 13, 2011, 07:20:00 AM
another 'hawk with a connexion and a rubber roll-down grip ...

  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/M6-1.jpg)  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/M7.jpg)

  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/M8.jpg)  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/M9.jpg)
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Post by: Tique on February 13, 2011, 07:44:00 AM
Rob, that looks like a real solid design. Does it make any noise or ever need adjustment?
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 13, 2011, 07:59:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Tique:
Rob, that looks like a real solid design. Does it make any noise or ever need adjustment?
zero noise or adjustment, no matter what.

i'll add - unlike a sleeve, the hinge fits perfectly every time with no fumbling or worry about dirt, debris, air temps.

talked myself into it - tembo bow blank and connexion hinge.  :thumbsup:   ;)
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Post by: Mudd on February 13, 2011, 08:10:00 AM
Rob "talked myself into it - tembo bow blank and connexion hinge."

When you do this project is it possible you could do it as a "build along"?

Not that I would ever try it myself(too much at risk) for my shaky hands.

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 13, 2011, 08:18:00 AM
yep, it'll be a 'build-a-long' for sure.  gonna do it the super simple way - external and not recessed.
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Post by: on February 13, 2011, 08:38:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Mudd:
When you do this project is it possible you could do it as a "build along"?

God bless,Mudd
Good deal!!  I suspect this will be "down the road" a bit, eh?  I guess for a build along the "simple" was would be best.

...but...Rob, I know you can tuck that thang flush into the riser...not too difficult and it will be killer!!

Been studying it a bit more...no biggie, especially if you have all the tools.

Either way it'll be a great show!    :thumbsup:
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 13, 2011, 08:56:00 AM
no, not that difficult to mortise the hinge in, just takes a jig and a router with carbide bit, after the hinge "hole" is created.  however, a simplistic installation will make it more accessible to the masses using "hand" tools.  

also, instead of recessing the hinge plate it could be "covered" with a riser overlay veneer (as done on mohawks).  this method insures that narrow throated handles don't lose any integrity/strength, and i like that kinda handle/grip.
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Post by: Mohawkbows on February 13, 2011, 09:22:00 AM
The hinge clap referred to in this thread is something that I have heard about but only seen once and it was caused by a long draw [30"] and extremely light arrows resulting in too much energy staying with the bow instead of transferring to the arrow, once a reasonable arrow weight was used it stopped in that case. It could be that there are bows out there that just may leave too much energy with the bow for the hinge to work well.
I tend to use thinner leather than most do because most of my TD's are ordered with locator grips and by the time that I overlay the hinge the riser gets pretty deep resulting in a larger grip, I like thick leather because it will help greatly with "perceived" or felt handshock as well, if I build a Hill style grip I use a thicker Elk hide.  The thin leather will move to the side a little more where the hinge slides together, maybe that's why it looks "not as beautiful" to some....or maybe it's just not as beautiful! But they do work well for me. Strong, no tools for takedown and you don't know its there when you have it in your hand. Look forward to your build along Rob.
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Post by: Tique on February 13, 2011, 09:23:00 AM
I can't wait for the "build along" to begin! If it looks like something I can do I'll have to buy a Tembo blank and give it a try.
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Post by: on February 13, 2011, 09:40:00 AM
Hi Vince.  Didn't mean to put your work down..yes, it is the thin leather bunching up...the leather not your bow!!

You do beautiful work...I hope to own one of your creations some day.     :thumbsup:
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Post by: Mohawkbows on February 13, 2011, 10:04:00 AM
No problem Tony.......I been beat up by every expert that comes down the pike and I'm gettin pretty thick skinned! I think everybody that has this obsession of ours should build at least one bow.....I built my first one 18 years ago and haven't said a negative word about anyone's product since. Have fun.
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Post by: canopyboy on February 13, 2011, 10:08:00 AM
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Originally posted by Mohawkbows:
I think everybody that has this obsession of ours should build at least one bow.....I built my first one 18 years ago and haven't said a negative word about anyone's product since. Have fun.
Absolutely!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Greg Skinner on February 13, 2011, 05:38:00 PM
"no, not that difficult to mortise the hinge in, just takes a jig and a router with carbide bit"

My question is, would mortising have a possible consequence of weakening the strip of fiberglass across the back of the handle, or is the flex in that area minimal or non-existent?  Since I like a straight grip I don't think it would create a weak area in the grip, but I would not want the fiberglass to lift at the mortised spot.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 13, 2011, 05:46:00 PM
greg, as to whether or not to mortise the hinge, for me that would depend on the depth of the handle.  for a standard wedge/teardrop hill, not a problem.  i like narrow handles, so not mortising is the way to go as i feel that would compromise riser strength at a critical point.  what vince does with mohawks (which have nice slim, narrow handles) is to inlay the hinge into the riser's back overlay.
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Post by: Greg Skinner on February 13, 2011, 05:59:00 PM
Thanks, Rob. The one I did on the Cheetah blank nine years ago I did not mortise and it worked fine. My Liberty by Allen Boice is done the same way Vince does his, within the overlay.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 13, 2011, 06:06:00 PM
i'm ordering the tembo blank tomorrow.  i'll include special requirements for the handle back to be left squared up.  got a line on a connexion hinge for a good price, too.  

like i need another project added to the looooong list.    :rolleyes:
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Post by: RC on February 13, 2011, 10:20:00 PM
Had a good day and a half hunt ,Just got home. Saw Turkeys everywhere it seemed,a few deer, missed at least a dozen shots at squirrels but did kill a small porker.Anybody can hit a big one....With a Hill Big 5 of course.RC

Midday nap. I had a flock of hens walk up within 15 yards of me while I was laying in the grass napping.Snored em up I guess. Skyward pic..

 (http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/IMG_1363.jpg)

Drone of some sort...

 (http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/IMG_1365.jpg)


grill pig. My first with a wood arrow in 5-6 years..RC

 (http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/IMG_1366.jpg)
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Post by: Ben Maher on February 13, 2011, 10:34:00 PM
Onya RC !!! A hog that size is just about perfect for eating .

and wood arrows rock !!!!!
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Post by: Mudd on February 13, 2011, 10:41:00 PM
Hoorah! Good shooting RC.

Thanks for sharing brother.

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: RC on February 13, 2011, 10:50:00 PM
Gotta have a pic of the bow...RC

 (http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/IMG_1364.jpg)
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Post by: leatherneck on February 13, 2011, 10:54:00 PM
Once again RC,table fare. Good shootin!!!
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Post by: Wannabe1 on February 13, 2011, 11:37:00 PM
:thumbsup:     :clapper:
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Post by: droz il on February 14, 2011, 12:02:00 AM
WTG RC, good hunt.
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Post by: on February 14, 2011, 12:17:00 AM
RC...man, the squirrels are huge in GA!  LOL
Looks to be a tender one for sure!  At least somebody is havin' fun...   :thumbsup:
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 14, 2011, 04:37:00 AM
biggin's for braggin',  li'l ones for eatin'!

good day for ya, rc!  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on February 14, 2011, 05:27:00 AM
Nice one, RC, nice one.
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Post by: Kevin L. on February 14, 2011, 06:43:00 AM
Very nice RC!!
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Post by: Tique on February 14, 2011, 10:57:00 AM
Very nice!   :thumbsup:
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Post by: RC on February 14, 2011, 12:40:00 PM
Turkey season is right around the corner here. any of you guys gonna get after a Gobbler with your Hill bow?RC
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Post by: Tique on February 14, 2011, 03:55:00 PM
Our turkey season doesn't open until May. I'll have my Tembo tuned and ready to go by then.
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Post by: 2treks on February 14, 2011, 04:24:00 PM
That is a fine shot RC, Cool stuff buddy. Way to go.
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Post by: Mudd on February 14, 2011, 05:23:00 PM
Here is a few pictures of Greg Skinners' Tembo.

 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/012.jpg)
 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/011.jpg)
 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/010.jpg)
 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/009.jpg)
 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/008.jpg)
 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/007.jpg)
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Post by: Greg Skinner on February 14, 2011, 07:53:00 PM
Thanks for posting those, Roy. This is the bow I described a couple of pages back that I finished from the blank. Bocote riser, black glass over carbon backing. I used bocote for the tips, too, but those pieces didn't match the riser real well.
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Post by: leatherneck on February 14, 2011, 09:13:00 PM
Great looking bow Greg.
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Post by: on February 14, 2011, 09:46:00 PM
Nice Greg!  You do good work.  

The bow I ordered will look very similar to yours....great choice of riser material.  A beautiful piece of bocote.

"Carbon" - now that is something I didn't think of...I'll bet she's peppy..

Very Cool!     :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:
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Post by: straitera on February 14, 2011, 10:48:00 PM
Great job RC! Saw 10 hogs again yesterday after church but they were running after a volley of rifle shots must have killed their leader/s.

Hope your Tembo is what you wanted Greg. Mine sure is.

Tony, guess you don't need to borrow my Hill now huh? Good for you bud!
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Post by: Blueridge on February 15, 2011, 10:23:00 AM
Got my Big 5 in on saturday. Carmalized bamboo, padauk riser, 61# at 28 with string follow. Shoots like a dream. Rob can I email you pictures to post? not sure how to do that with photo bucket. Craig did a fine job on this one.
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Post by: on February 15, 2011, 10:35:00 AM
Awesome Blue!  I think there are lots of guys that can help you with that (I don't know either)  Mudd does this routinely - maybe he'll chime in.

Congrats!!  Can't wait to see her..
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Post by: Blueridge on February 15, 2011, 10:54:00 AM
I think it's a him. More of a "man" than my Wesley at 56#. But it shoots real good
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Post by: Mudd on February 15, 2011, 11:22:00 AM
Hey Blue get the pictures to me and I'll gladly get them up for you.

God bless, Mudd
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Post by: Blueridge on February 15, 2011, 11:34:00 AM
thanks Mudd, on the way shortly
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Post by: Wannabe1 on February 15, 2011, 12:08:00 PM
We need a ringing hands in anticipation icon!   :D
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Post by: Mudd on February 15, 2011, 12:16:00 PM
Here it is Blue.

 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/IMG_0491.jpg)
 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/IMG_0494.jpg)
 (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/IMG_0498.jpg)

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: Wannabe1 on February 15, 2011, 12:19:00 PM
Oh yes, that's a beauty for sure. I like the color of that Padauk. Congrats on your fine looking stick!   :thumbsup:    :clapper:
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Post by: on February 15, 2011, 12:21:00 PM
Dandy!!  Another masterpiece!   :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:
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Post by: Gerardo on February 15, 2011, 12:30:00 PM
Had there been a longer thread? This is amazing!!!!
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Post by: Kevin L. on February 15, 2011, 12:55:00 PM
Nice bow BR, I like the look of those limbs.

Kevin
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Post by: tradlongbow on February 15, 2011, 04:28:00 PM
Blue-

It's a looker for sure! What arrows are you shooting with it?

Darren
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Post by: SpankyNeal on February 15, 2011, 04:31:00 PM
Gorgeous bows guys...congrats!!  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Blueridge on February 15, 2011, 04:49:00 PM
Trad, I am shooting 70-75 spine poc , 2018 alum, and a gt 3555 with 240 gn  up front. I draw 28.5 and it shoots all of these just fine. My cedars are right at 10gpi with 160 blunts .
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Post by: longbowben on February 15, 2011, 09:37:00 PM
Im sending my new HH bow back to get the handle reworked i dont like the pointyness on my palm.Going to copy my takedown handle.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 15, 2011, 09:57:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Mudd:
Here it is Blue.

  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/IMG_0491.jpg)
  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/IMG_0494.jpg)
  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/IMG_0498.jpg)

God bless,Mudd
HEY!!!  NO FAIR!!!!  that's a mirror image of MY bow!!!!!   :)
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 15, 2011, 09:59:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by longbowben:
Im sending my new HH bow back to get the handle reworked i dont like the pointyness on my palm.Going to copy my takedown handle.
i'm with you - i hate that dang 'wedge teardrop' handle.     :mad:      :D
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 15, 2011, 10:03:00 PM
i don't need no steenkin' red devil yew!  just look at the beautious hue of those caramelized limbs ... i'd say there's gonna be a lot more orders for that flavor of 'boo, craig best stock up ...

  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/IMG_0494.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on February 15, 2011, 10:30:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
i don't need no steenkin' red devil yew!  just look at the beautious hue of those caramelized limbs ... i'd say there's gonna be a lot more orders for that flavor of 'boo, craig best stock up ...

   (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/IMG_0494.jpg)
:thumbsup:  I'll second that.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Steve Clandinin on February 15, 2011, 11:16:00 PM
Blue,That is a nice looking bow,I can't wait for mine!I think its great how they can pour caramel now on bamboo to make it look like that beautiful Yew! LOL
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on February 15, 2011, 11:37:00 PM
Purrrrrrfectly delicious.  

Probably would have never known this about boo except for this educational, inspirational, and highly addictive thread.

I have the same thing comin' my way....now where is that "wringing of hands" icon..   :D
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Blueridge on February 16, 2011, 10:22:00 AM
Rob, sorry about that I had ordered a Shedua riser but changed my mind at the last moment.
I really like the string follow, very smooth.
Does everyone shoot a B-50 dacron string? If not
what do you use? Craig has a string shortage problem and i'm open for suggestions. I like the
D97 strings on my Widow lb's but not sure if they will harm the HH's.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 16, 2011, 10:32:00 AM
hey stan, that's a beauty of a bow, hope mine looks as good.

i use a padded 8 strand endless d'02 string for all my bows.  definitely for the hills, too.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: canopyboy on February 16, 2011, 01:24:00 PM
Blueridge -- I asked Craig that question when I was there last month.  He said his bows will do any of the low stretch strings.  But then he said that a bow has a certain number shots in it essentially, and you cut that number in half with low stretch strings in his opinion.  Of course, the majority of people won't wear out their bow regardless of string type or half life.  If you only get 5 million shots instead of 10, will it really matter to a person who won't take into the 7 digits period?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on February 16, 2011, 02:02:00 PM
If a selfbow will last years with a FF string, then a laminated glass Hill with a tip wedge should last a couple of lifetimes! I use D97 and D10 on all of mine.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on February 16, 2011, 02:09:00 PM
I used to only use Dacron, but decided to be a bit daring with my latest Hill, and make up a TS1+ string, twelves strands with loops padded. I really like the feel and the silence. Not that it was bad before, but I think it is even better now.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on February 16, 2011, 02:27:00 PM
This weekend I got out to the range and shoot some 3-D's, It was about 10 tradionalist. We had a good time, so, thought I share some pics. The weather was great around 60-65 degrees then it got into the 70's after lunch.

Darren

Focusing on the shoot  :)  
 (http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af219/tradlongbow/3-d/100_2004.jpg)


 (http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af219/tradlongbow/3-d/100_2018-1.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Blueridge on February 16, 2011, 02:59:00 PM
i guess I need an education; the only strings I have ever used are b50 on my old Bears and now the Hills and FF and  D97 on my Widows.
not familiar with d02,d10 etc....
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on February 16, 2011, 03:06:00 PM
I have some BCY8125 that I bought last year that I haven't used yet. A fella told me yesterday that Dave Wallace uses the BCY8125 on his bows.

I might just stick with B-50, It's cheap to buy, doesn't damage the bow, and very quiet....

Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 16, 2011, 03:06:00 PM
That's a beauty of a bow Darren! Thanks for sharing that with us. Wish it was 70 degrees here.   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on February 16, 2011, 03:08:00 PM
Blue-

Do a search for BCY, they make string material just like Brownell.

Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Blueridge on February 16, 2011, 03:09:00 PM
Good pic's Darren, something cool about the longbow at full draw.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: canopyboy on February 16, 2011, 03:13:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by tradlongbow:
I might just stick with B-50, It's cheap to buy, doesn't damage the bow, and very quiet....
That's my current thought.  If it's quiet and the arrow goes where it's supposed to, what else matters?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on February 16, 2011, 03:14:00 PM
Wannabe1-

That's the new bow that I got in January, It's the first bow that was posted with the carmelized limbs and cocobola riser with no lam up the sweep.

I shot with a guy name Tom 2 years ago from Oregon, I forgot his last name, good people though. The weather's nice here, but you have Mountain views, everything here is flat.

Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 16, 2011, 03:20:00 PM
I am hoping to get out to the hills again this weekend. I'll post up some pics if the weather cooperates.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 16, 2011, 04:05:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by canopyboy:
 
Quote
Originally posted by tradlongbow:
I might just stick with B-50, It's cheap to buy, doesn't damage the bow, and very quiet....
That's my current thought.  If it's quiet and the arrow goes where it's supposed to, what else matters? [/b]
string stretch and elasticity, that's what matters most to me.

string speed?  mass string weight?  could care less.

dacron (polyester = b50, b55) has lots of stretch and creep.  it never ever goes away, 'cept just before it breaks.

hmpe (polyethylene = d'97, d'02, ff. etc) has lots less stretch/creep, therefore the string is far more stable (no changes in brace height before, during and after shooting).

i use less strands of hmpe not for speed, but to better balance a compromise of stretch/creep.  less strands of this stuff is less resistant to stretch/creep than more strands, but significantly more resistant than a wad of dacron all twisted up.  as a by-product, noise levels are less with low strand count strings.

ymmv.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Blueridge on February 16, 2011, 05:09:00 PM
Thank you Rob. That clears it up for me
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Blueridge on February 16, 2011, 05:29:00 PM
Thank you Rob. That clears it up for me
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on February 16, 2011, 06:26:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
[/qb]
string stretch and elasticity, that's what matters most to me.

string speed?  mass string weight?  could care less.

dacron (polyester = b50, b55) has lots of stretch and creep.  it never ever goes away, 'cept just before it breaks.

hmpe (polyethylene = d'97, d'02, ff. etc) has lots less stretch/creep, therefore the string is far more stable (no changes in brace height before, during and after shooting).

i use less strands of hmpe not for speed, but to better balance a compromise of stretch/creep.  less strands of this stuff is less resistant to stretch/creep than more strands, but significantly more resistant than a wad of dacron all twisted up.  as a by-product, noise levels are less with low strand count strings.

ymmv. [/QB][/QUOTE]


Rob- Very true the brace height is more consistent with hmpe, but if you know your brace height, you could check it from time to time. that's what I used to do. Dacron has worked well for decades before the new stuff came out. Also, Dacron will be less stressful on the bow as well, but I know guys don't keep bows that long anyway    :knothead:    I'm guilty of that. I like dacron on my Hills and wood arrows only, maybe it's that traditional thing.    ;)    

Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: canopyboy on February 16, 2011, 07:00:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
string stretch and elasticity, that's what matters most to me.

string speed?  mass string weight?  could care less.

dacron (polyester = b50, b55) has lots of stretch and creep.  it never ever goes away, 'cept just before it breaks.

hmpe (polyethylene = d'97, d'02, ff. etc) has lots less stretch/creep, therefore the string is far more stable (no changes in brace height before, during and after shooting).

i use less strands of hmpe not for speed, but to better balance a compromise of stretch/creep.  less strands of this stuff is less resistant to stretch/creep than more strands, but significantly more resistant than a wad of dacron all twisted up.  as a by-product, noise levels are less with low strand count strings.

ymmv.
I'll give you creep.  But I haven't found it to creep enough that I need to check it all that often.  Of course, if you're shooting high draw weight bows, maybe it's more of an issue.

Elasticity is what makes dacron slower and quieter.

But back to my point.  If it's quiet and the arrow goes where I want, what else matters?  

Creep only means I need to make an adjustment if the arrow isn't going where I want.  I find I make adjustments elsewhere more often than I have to tweak my brace height.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 16, 2011, 07:09:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by canopyboy:
....
Creep only means I need to make an adjustment if the arrow isn't going where I want.  I find I make adjustments elsewhere more often than I have to tweak my brace height.
by the time you make yer adjustment i'd have killed the dang critter with one well placed arra from my noiseless, hmpe strung, longbow.  :D   :campfire:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: canopyboy on February 16, 2011, 07:33:00 PM
I'm glad you've found what works for you.


       :clapper:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 16, 2011, 07:39:00 PM
Kenny Cookus's Wesley and Black Bear. I'll let him chime in with specs and such.   :D  Fantastic bows Kenny!   :thumbsup:

 (http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/TradNut/2011_0241.jpg)
 (http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/TradNut/2011_0321.jpg)
 (http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/TradNut/2011_0361.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on February 16, 2011, 07:42:00 PM
I like Dacron ... because i have a bunch of it and i am very cheap !
I realy like low stretch and with silencers attached it is my preferred hunting string ...
Oh the choices !

As a side bar ... i had Craig send me a bunch of 66" strings [ 11 in all ] so the delay in strings may be my fault ...  :scared:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on February 16, 2011, 07:43:00 PM
Kenny-

What riser wood is on your Wesley, it looks brown? I like it.

Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 16, 2011, 07:43:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ben Maher:
I like Dacron ... because i have a bunch of it and i am very cheap !
I realy like low stretch and with silencers attached it is my preferred hunting string ...
Oh the choices !

As a side bar ... i had Craig send me a bunch of 66" strings [ 11 in all ] so the delay in strings may be my fault ...   :scared:  
you buggah you!!!  :D

not so my big5, it's in the mail as of yesterday ...  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on February 16, 2011, 07:51:00 PM
Rob ... I reckon we could get these Hills a chasin Elk in 2012 .....
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 16, 2011, 07:58:00 PM
ben, that would be a dream hunt!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on February 16, 2011, 08:44:00 PM
Rob- Now get ready, it's time to call the local Post Office, ask them to give you a call when a very long box comes in from Montana. That way you can pick it up at 9am, post pics and start shooting...  :archer:  

Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 16, 2011, 08:46:00 PM
haven't got the big5 and already planning a tembo.  i need help .... please.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Nate Steen . on February 16, 2011, 08:52:00 PM
Darren,

just curious, seeing your photo...what's your draw length and arrow length bop, and your bow poundage at 28"..?  thanks.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Cookus on February 16, 2011, 09:25:00 PM
Darren,
     The Wesley Special's riser is bacote (64" bow that's 51 lbs. @ 26").   The Black Bear's riser is cocobolo (68" bow that's 55 lbs. @ 28").   Both bows tune and shoot wonderfully with a 2018 cut to 30" BOP.   I draw 28" and use 225 grain fieldtips or a 200 grain Woodsman Elite broadhead.   Wraps on my arrows are by our own Onestringer.   Both bows also shoot beautifully and tune well with a 2016 pushing a 145 grain fieldpoint... I prefer the slower and heavier 2018 for hunting!   Thanks for posting the pics for me TW!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on February 16, 2011, 09:52:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by canopyboy:
[/qb]
If it's quiet and the arrow goes where it's supposed to, what else matters? [/QB][/QUOTE]
*******************
Wow, you guys have been busy!!

In essence, my feelings are the same as Canopy here - but....

My bow will be here (there) in three weeks so, just to pass time, I have been looking for arrow options, especially woodies.  Playing with Stu's calculator and I found myself constantly tweaking to try to squeeze the best "performance" out of my selection - one obvious tweak is changing the new stock dacron string to FF.

Now, in reading y'alls comments it seems there are endless choices of materials, some padded, some fewer stands, etc.  My how things have changed in the past ten years.

Without getting into a full-blown discussion, can you guys give me a "best choice" range for the string?  

Love the pics gentlemen!!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on February 16, 2011, 09:57:00 PM
Tony ... I'd start with the string Craig send with the bow . You can get him to either send b50 or low stretch .

To be honest I don't notice a huge difference between strings , in so much as soon as I put silencers on my low stretch 12 strand it shoots exactly the same place with the same arrows as my B50 without silencers out to 30/35 yards .
YMMV
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on February 16, 2011, 10:12:00 PM
Thanks Ben!!  Sounds like a good plan.  

I suspect if B50 was not a good string, Craig would not supply it with a new bow but I know he has FF strings too.  Don't know what is his default is.

I also know that there are many good/great string options out there but I can't make them myself (yet)..

Rob, since you have nothing to do,  can you do a "string-along" for us all?      :p    

Again...I'm just hangin' and learnin...day by day..

Thanks y'all...


     :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on February 17, 2011, 03:19:00 AM
I am absolutely flat-out at work, and as buggered as I was late today, I still made time for twenty-five arrows out of the new Redman, and it sure was therapeutic!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 17, 2011, 07:54:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Tony Van Dort:
T...

Rob, since you have nothing to do,  can you do a "string-along" for us all?      ...
been there, done that already ...

 spinning a padded loop endless hmpe bowstring (http://www.tradgang.com/videos/rob/es1.wmv)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: canopyboy on February 17, 2011, 07:57:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Ben Kleinig:
I am absolutely flat-out at work, and as buggered as I was late today, I still made time for twenty-five arrows out of the new Redman, and it sure was therapeutic!
Exactly.  It's days like that when I make the extra effort to get a few shots off.  I've been known to use headlights to light up the target on an especially bad day.

It's funny that the new Hill bow you all talked me into and the woodies I got to go with it have turned out to be more therapeutic than what I was shooting previously.  At times like that I don't even care where they hit.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on February 17, 2011, 08:08:00 AM
Rob,
   :thumbsup:

I should have known...ha!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on February 17, 2011, 08:51:00 AM
Tony I don't have any of the new low stretch material but I do have B-50.

I can twist up good functional strings and I am starting to learn to do a better job serving them too.

If you have need of one just let me know.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Blueridge on February 17, 2011, 09:56:00 AM
I used to know how to make a flemish string and made my own in the 90's , have a jig made out of a 2x4 and nails.  I can't remember how but will see if it comes back to me. It was kinda fun
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: canopyboy on February 17, 2011, 12:35:00 PM
If you did it before, it'll probably be like riding a bike.  Twist right, wrap left...  or something like that.

It's a lot of fun, something to do in the evening in front of the fire.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 17, 2011, 12:50:00 PM
twisting strings - yuka-doo!    :thumbsup:  

ah, the new big 5 has arrived    :jumper:   pix comin' ...
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 17, 2011, 02:06:00 PM
Again, ringing of hands in anticipation icon needed here!   :D
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: canopyboy on February 17, 2011, 02:08:00 PM
Congrats on the new arrival!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 17, 2011, 02:35:00 PM
oooooo it's niiiiiiiice, too.  the caramelized boo is THE way to go for me.  pix and full review in the making ...
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kevin L. on February 17, 2011, 03:05:00 PM
C'mon Rob, bring it on. Need my daily dose of eye candy.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rik on February 17, 2011, 03:42:00 PM
DON'T DO IT ROB!

DON'T DO IT!

Do not show pictures of the new Carmelized Big Five. There are many reading this who are staggering on the very precipice of ordering a new Hill bow for spring, and I fear that those pictures are all it would take to push them right over the edge.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 17, 2011, 04:23:00 PM
oops, sorry rik and fellas ....    :D  

68" big 5, labled as 50@28, it's 51.2@28 and 54.4@29 (my draw length).  padauk riser and tip overlays, caramelized boo limbs, string follow, locator handle, laced black leather grip.  

this is by far the most comfortable craig hill handle yet - it's absolutely *perfect* for me.

mostly interested in comparing this big 5's string follow against my other big 5's slight backset (68", 52.8@29, backset boo, modded straight handle).  

after about 35 shots through each bow with a pair of woodies, they're too close to call at about 10 yards in terms of feel of draw and release.  if the weather warms for tomorrow, as they say it should, i'll get to fling some at 20 and 35 yards.

both of these big 5's sorely need some skinny strings, as well.

    (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/hhb53.jpg)

    (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/hhb54.jpg)

    (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/hhb55.jpg)

    (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/hhb56.jpg)

    (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/hhb52-1.jpg)

    (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/hhb51-1.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 17, 2011, 04:26:00 PM
Man, that is a beauty! I really love the looks of that Padauk on a Hill bow. Congrats Rob.   :thumbsup:    :clapper:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: droz il on February 17, 2011, 04:33:00 PM
Real beauty Rob. Congrats
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Blueridge on February 17, 2011, 04:39:00 PM
Hey! That looks familiar. Congrats Rob, I should have let you show your bow first. Thats a great looking combination.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rooselk on February 17, 2011, 04:41:00 PM
That's a great looking bow! Congrats.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 17, 2011, 04:56:00 PM
i just can't rave enuf about the "new and improved" craig hill locator grip - it's SO comfy and perfect for "web" shooters like me.  :thumbsup:   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Cookus on February 17, 2011, 05:03:00 PM
That's a nice looking bow Rob!   Congratulations!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on February 17, 2011, 05:32:00 PM
I don't say it lightly but the paduak and caramalised 'boo is about as nice I have seen . Rik was right , you shouldn't have posted pics 'coz bow I'm gonna ......

Good stuff mate !
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Steve Clandinin on February 17, 2011, 05:58:00 PM
I have to admit,with even that Candy Wood that is one nice looking bow ,Kudus my friend.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Joe Subler on February 17, 2011, 06:27:00 PM
Great looking bow Rob!!

Joe
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: RC on February 17, 2011, 06:32:00 PM
Mighty purty.RC
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Tique on February 17, 2011, 07:21:00 PM
Real nice looking bow Rob! Glad you like the grip.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: straitera on February 17, 2011, 07:32:00 PM
Very nice woods on that HIll Robert! Excellent choice.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on February 17, 2011, 07:38:00 PM
OOOOO!  Nice!

You weren't kidding when you said "mirror image".

Good news on the "new" locator - what is new Rob..  aside from missing the "pointy"?

Craig did himself proud again.   :thumbsup:    :jumper:  
   
********

Roy, thanks my friend!  I'll take you up on that offer!   How sweet it is....
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 17, 2011, 07:52:00 PM
There is a beautiful Half Breed on the classifieds right now! All the perfect specs.   :D
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on February 17, 2011, 07:58:00 PM
Wannabe1, all the right specs 'cept one--taint a lefty!  :(
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 17, 2011, 08:03:00 PM
You wanna know what the crazy thing is? I'm left handed but, do all my shooting right handed. Go figure!   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on February 17, 2011, 08:38:00 PM
Sweet looking bow Rob!!!!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 17, 2011, 08:51:00 PM

i got a chance to compare both big 5's, the slight backset and the string follow, at 27 yards.  couldn't tell the difference with 10.4gpp woodies.  they both drew and released just fine, and grouped about the same at that distance.  

iow, the string follow limbs held their own against the slight backset limbs at a 27 yard distance - that is, there wasn't an increased trajectory that required my 'gray bowsight' to recalculate the bow hand hold for both bows.  

not at all a 'controlled scientific' test, there many parameters left to consider testing, and i'm sure some differences will surface over time.  just nothing glaring after flying almost 70 arrows from each longbow.  
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on February 17, 2011, 08:53:00 PM
That's a looker Rob...congrats!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Steve Clandinin on February 17, 2011, 09:01:00 PM
Rob,Thanks ever so much for the comparrison,I'm patiently waiting for my new HH Red Cheetah with string follow and that was my major concern.Did you notice it easier to shoot and or any differance in accuracy,just curious.Thanks again
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on February 17, 2011, 09:02:00 PM
Rob , I do a fare bit of roving /stumping at longer ranges and I have not noticed any real difference where I'd have to 'calibrate ' differently .... Mind you my 'reflex/backset' Hills are 68 " and my string follows are 66"
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on February 17, 2011, 09:17:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:

i got a chance to compare both big 5's, the slight backset and the string follow, at 27 yards.  couldn't tell the difference with 10.4gpp woodies.  they both drew and released just fine, and grouped about the same at that distance.  

iow, the string follow limbs held their own against the slight backset limbs at a 27 yard distance - that is, there wasn't an increased trajectory that required my 'gray bowsight' to recalculate the bow hand hold for both bows.  

 
Now that's interesting...  Prolly the biggest two questions I have pondered is the percieved  differences in feel and where the arrow ends up at any given distance.  IMO 27 yards is a perfect distance to judge, especially at 10+GPP.  Now I'm happy to have ordered the string follow.  

It'll be interesting to hear about the subtile differences you realize over time..

Who cares (really) about the "scientific" aspect of this initial test...the proof is in the pudding.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Terry Green on February 17, 2011, 09:33:00 PM
81 pages?????  HOW COOL.

They just became a sponsor.....that's dandy!!!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on February 17, 2011, 09:36:00 PM
Awesome Terry !
My favourite bowyer just became a sponsor on my favourite archery website .....


Cool !
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on February 17, 2011, 09:39:00 PM
YES!!!  Great news....was hoping that would happen some day...

Awesome..   :wavey:   Welcome Craig and gang!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kevin L. on February 17, 2011, 09:42:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Terry Green:
They just became a sponsor.....that's dandy!!!
Nice to hear. Other than Appalachians by Dave Guthrie, Hills are my hands down favorite bows.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Cookus on February 17, 2011, 09:49:00 PM
Howard Hill Archery spans / endures the test of time and still produces!   Welcome (and thanks) Craig!   You're customer service is second to none!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: GingivitisKahn on February 17, 2011, 10:03:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Terry Green:
81 pages?????  HOW COOL.

They just became a sponsor.....that's dandy!!!
Rock on!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 17, 2011, 10:07:00 PM
Outstanding!   :thumbsup:    :clapper:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Steve Clandinin on February 17, 2011, 10:08:00 PM
Craig probably noticed a slight interest in HH bows,81 pages,unbelievable !
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on February 17, 2011, 10:29:00 PM
Wahoo!

Welcome aboard Howard Hill Archery(Craig, Evie, and Jason, thank you for becoming one of our sponsors.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on February 17, 2011, 10:47:00 PM
Rob great contrast on the woods.I want to here the long term test on the two bows.Congrats
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Raging Water on February 17, 2011, 11:44:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Mudd:
Wahoo!

Welcome aboard Howard Hill Archery(Craig, Evie, and Jason, thank you for becoming one of our sponsors.

God bless,Mudd
Absolutely Fantastic. Love the bows and love them as a sponsor!

Matt
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on February 17, 2011, 11:46:00 PM
Terry-

I'm glad the deal is sealed. Last week, I was talking to Jason and he told me that they were moving forward with being a sponsor. I was telling Jason about the thread, and how much interest there is in the Hill bows on this site. Also, I added that Capt. Dick did a wonderful job with his Howard Hill shooters web-site and the information that it offers, but what I liked about Tradgang is it brought all the Hill shooters together at one place, where we can go to share our experiences with the Hill bow on one thread.

Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on February 17, 2011, 11:54:00 PM
Rob-

I love the bow,Congrats! The question that I have is do you find that the carmelized bamboo stiffer then regular bamboo? The reason that I'm asking is that I find my bow with carmelized bamboo to be stiffer and also faster. If it's not the carmelized bamboo that's stiffer, it must be a few pounds more than the 50#'s that it's marked. I haven't checked the poundage on my scale yet, I will tomorrow. I thought maybe it was the carmelized bamboo that was making the difference.

Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on February 18, 2011, 12:49:00 AM
(http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac144/timwsmith/Hillgroupriserandserials-1-1.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 18, 2011, 06:47:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by tradlongbow:
Rob-

I love the bow,Congrats! The question that I have is do you find that the carmelized bamboo stiffer then regular bamboo? The reason that I'm asking is that I find my bow with carmelized bamboo to be stiffer and also faster. If it's not the carmelized bamboo that's stiffer, it must be a few pounds more than the 50#'s that it's marked. I haven't checked the poundage on my scale yet, I will tomorrow. I thought maybe it was the carmelized bamboo that was making the difference.

Darren
at this point, other than for looks i can't tell the difference 'tween the standard heat tempered and the "candy wood".

i've yet to find a craig hill that tested out at the inked draw weight - all have been heavier by at least 1.5#, with some lots heavier (almost 4#).  i use a "usps calibrated" easton digital bow scale.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kevin L. on February 18, 2011, 07:10:00 AM
I haven't tried a Hill with carmelized bamboo yet, but in making bamboo flyrods, the browning or carmelization, does increase the quickness of the rod for the same taper. How this compares to a bow lamination, I couldn't say, since we're talking about a completely different application, but the difference in a fly rod is distinct.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on February 18, 2011, 07:23:00 AM
Rob, my experience with the weight of my Hills as well--all have been 3-4# heavier than marked.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on February 18, 2011, 07:35:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by David Mitchell:
Rob, my experience with the weight of my Hills as well--all have been 3-4# heavier than marked.
Dave,Rob, I learned about Craig's propensity for slightly heavy finished weights in recent readings here in this mega-thread.  I am hoping that will be fairly consistent because I ordered mine three pounds lighter than my target.  Looking for 60ish at 29" and ordered 57#.  

Has anybody discussed this with Craig?   Several years ago I built a few mild r/d longbows and used a mechanical (spring) scale...it was consistently heavier than when other's pulled them on their scales. Maybe this is par for the course.. If his scale indicates heavy (consistently) I should I'll be okay...     :rolleyes:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on February 18, 2011, 07:38:00 AM
Nice bow, Rob. I haven't weighed my second two Hills, but my first (I think I mentioned) was spot-on on my mate's scales.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 18, 2011, 07:54:00 AM
there are analog and digital weigh scales.  there are known reference weights for calibration of all scales.  imo, all analog scales are inaccurate in one weigh (pun intended) or another.  some are grossly inaccurate.  digital scales, once calibrated, are extremely accurate.  like comparing an 8 track audio tape to digital mp3.  

also important is how the bow weight is measured.  i use a 32" arrow shaft with nock, measure from the nock groove to make 26, 27, 28, 29, 30 inch marks right on the shaft.  simply put a clothespin at the 28" mark, nock the shaft, pull 'till the clothespin touches the riser front.  humans doing this weight check thing will find digital variances of between 2 and 4 ounces.  i make 6 pulls and take the average.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on February 18, 2011, 08:42:00 AM
I think my new bow is to light im going to have him check that also before he changes the handle.And i talked to craig on the carmelized bamboo he said there is no difference in performance they are both heat treated.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 18, 2011, 09:05:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by longbowben:
....And i talked to craig on the carmelized bamboo he said there is no difference in performance they are both heat treated.
yep, both heat tempered, but not alike.  

i've heat tempered lots of locally grown bamboo taken from large groves around my town ... really excellent stuff that i use for crafting flutes.  i've even made a few arrows from it.  imo, this is bow quality boo.  dunno the specific genus of my boo, but there are over 1600 varieties of boo/cane around the globe.    

the culm sheath (outer skin) changes color and stiffness with the intensity and duration of heat, as the internal grass resin heats up and forms a hard varnish coating over the sheath.  in the process, huge amounts of steam is generated as any internal moisture is vaporized.  

i flame the green boo with a propane torch and can easily change the color from light beige to amber to chocolate brown/black.  the longer it's flamed, the darker the color and stiffer the boo gets ... that is, it's harder to bend, for sure.  i haven't done any scientific tests, but with the added stiffness it appears there's a loss of elasticity that brings the grass somewhat closer to the threshold of snapping.  now, this is with tubular, sheathed boo.  grinding the sheath off the culm to expose the pith is another story i would think and i have no experience with that.

so, is the long tempered boo faster/stiffer than the short tempered boo?  imo, probably.  can that difference be measured?  probably.  can that difference be perceived in comparable longbows.  i think not.  ymmv.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Blueridge on February 18, 2011, 10:08:00 AM
On bow wts. Can anybody really tell the difference in 2 or 3 pounds. Sounds like a diff in scales,  Just shoot em !   ;)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 18, 2011, 10:14:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Blueridge:
On bow wts. Can anybody really tell the difference in 2 or 3 pounds. Sounds like a diff in scales,  Just shoot em !    ;)  
oh yes indeedy, sir.  but for me it don't matter all that much.  rather have more weight than less.  with craig hill bows, if you want 55@28, order it as 53@28.  :D
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on February 18, 2011, 10:35:00 AM
I can tell instantly that a bow is 2 or 3 lbs off.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Blueridge on February 18, 2011, 11:00:00 AM
I agree, a few pounds more is more better.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 18, 2011, 11:46:00 AM
And yes, you can feel the difference. My Owl is 51# @ 29" and it feels more like 55#. My Tembo is 51# @ 29" and it feels spot on or possibly a pound lighter.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tg2nd on February 18, 2011, 12:52:00 PM
All three of mine are spot on.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on February 18, 2011, 01:26:00 PM
Rob- When is Howard Hill Archery going to get a cool advertising spot on Tradgang?

Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 18, 2011, 01:36:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by tradlongbow:
Rob- When is Howard Hill Archery going to get a cool advertising spot on Tradgang?

Darren
that's pretty much up to craig, and when banner ad space becomes available - we're full up right now on the big stuff.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on February 19, 2011, 09:53:00 AM
SpankyNeal-

Did you get your new SunSet Hill?


Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: canopyboy on February 19, 2011, 10:30:00 AM
So you guys got me thinking.  I know some of you pull sizeable weights all the time.  But I've only ever shot a Hoyt 45# recurve.  My new Owl blank that I finished recently seemed a lot bigger of a jump than what I thought my requested 55# @ 29" should have been.  (The recurve is a bit heavy and comes in at almost 50# at 29".)

So I weighed the Owl this morning.  Used tape instead of a clothes pin.  First I checked my draw and had my daughter mark it.  Average 28-7/8".  Close enough for government work.  Marked 29" from where the string would sit in the nock, and pulled until the tape touched the riser.

Any guesses?

How about 62#?  I guess if Craig is a few pounds heavier on a finished bow, there's a few more on top of that at the blank stage and I didn't take enough off.

I checked my digital scale with NIST traceable calibration weights at work.  So I'm pretty sure the reading is accurate.

I still love the bow.  I just need to keep eating spinach!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 19, 2011, 10:54:00 AM
Ouch! Not sure spinach would cut it for me. I'd re-sand it and try and take more off if it was me. Good luck and make sure you don't hurt your shoulder! You will have problems later, trust me.   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: straitera on February 19, 2011, 10:58:00 AM
62# will sling an arrow pdq. Exercise yourself into fit & you may be sorry you didn't do it before. JMHO. Best of luck.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: canopyboy on February 19, 2011, 12:26:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Wannabe1:
Ouch! Not sure spinach would cut it for me. I'd re-sand it and try and take more off if it was me. Good luck and make sure you don't hurt your shoulder! You will have problems later, trust me.    :rolleyes:  
Well, on the yardstick of life I'm only about half way.  I'm generally still pretty fit and my shoulders are still ok. I just need a bit of strength training.  The other bow made me sore a bit at first too, but now I can hold steady at full draw for quite awhile if need be.  I figure this will be the same.

 
Quote
Originally posted by straitera:
62# will sling an arrow pdq. Exercise yourself into fit & you may be sorry you didn't do it before. JMHO. Best of luck.
Yup.  Was hoping to work up to the 65-70 range some day anyhow.  I just was planning on a couple steps in between, not one.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: canopyboy on February 19, 2011, 12:32:00 PM
Just a new thought though...

Arrows.  Bought them spined for 55#.  They're also about 550 grns, or real close to 10 gpp based on where I thought I was.  Now I guess they're a bit light.  That's about 8.9.  Hmmm....

They still seem to fly ok, but I've still got some tweaking to do. Now I have a better idea as to why.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 19, 2011, 12:47:00 PM
Let us know how things turn out.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 19, 2011, 01:23:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by canopyboy:
So you guys got me thinking.  I know some of you pull sizeable weights all the time.  But I've only ever shot a Hoyt 45# recurve.  My new Owl blank that I finished recently seemed a lot bigger of a jump than what I thought my requested 55# @ 29" should have been.  (The recurve is a bit heavy and comes in at almost 50# at 29".)

So I weighed the Owl this morning.  Used tape instead of a clothes pin.  First I checked my draw and had my daughter mark it.  Average 28-7/8".  Close enough for government work.  Marked 29" from where the string would sit in the nock, and pulled until the tape touched the riser.

Any guesses?

How about 62#?  I guess if Craig is a few pounds heavier on a finished bow, there's a few more on top of that at the blank stage and I didn't take enough off.

I checked my digital scale with NIST traceable calibration weights at work.  So I'm pretty sure the reading is accurate.

I still love the bow.  I just need to keep eating spinach!
i'd heard from more than a few folks that hill blanks are a good 5# over the ordered target weight.  you are expected to do a fair amount of final sanding, through a variety of grits.  i suspect sanding is where one can easily get in trouble with messing up the tiller. if i wanted a 50# target weight i'd order out 47#, and do far less sanding and only in fine grits of 220 .
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: pavan on February 19, 2011, 02:56:00 PM
The ones I have have done ended up a couple of pounds over as well.  I gave it then a rounded trap and a narrower profile towards the ends of the limb and left the width of the limb as is near the fade outs.  Rounding  into a a belly side trap and getting the limb width to 3/8" at the string groove will reduce it about four pounds.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on February 19, 2011, 03:28:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by straitera:
62# will sling an arrow pdq. Exercise yourself into fit & you may be sorry you didn't do it before. JMHO. Best of luck.
***********

X2 - My thinking exactly!  I am hoping mine will come in at 59-60, roughly 5# more than my bows are now.  In the end, if I decide to go lighter, as Paven said, it is no big deal to shave 4#...any more than that can be risky depending on the bow.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kapellmeister on February 19, 2011, 04:57:00 PM
'Boo & Yew and Walnut, too!

I finally took some pictures of my new Hill 68" Half-Breed 55# @ 28" backset longbow that I got from Craig a couple of weeks ago.  Walnut riser with a straight grip and laced elk wrap.  The more I shoot it, the more I love this bow!

   (http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc515/KapellmeisterCherrytree/Archery/IMG_2829.jpg?t=1298152309)

   (http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc515/KapellmeisterCherrytree/Archery/IMG_2830.jpg?t=1298152309)  

   (http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc515/KapellmeisterCherrytree/Archery/IMG_2831.jpg?t=1298152309)

   (http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc515/KapellmeisterCherrytree/Archery/IMG_2832.jpg?t=1298152309)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 19, 2011, 05:19:00 PM
real nice, gene - me like.   :)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 19, 2011, 06:17:00 PM
I agree! I'm liking the looks of that Half Breed.   :D
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on February 19, 2011, 06:47:00 PM
Wow! Yew...and...bamboo!!!!

The best of both worlds!

Great looking bow.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on February 19, 2011, 06:54:00 PM
Darren i've got a couple more weeks left on it I think, but it is the bow Nate's working on right now so it shouldn't be too much longer. You can bet it will show up on this thread, and have one of it's own when it arrives!    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on February 19, 2011, 07:04:00 PM
Spanky, when you get done playing with it, you can send it to me.  :D  I promise I'll give it a good home.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 19, 2011, 07:32:00 PM
spanky, what are all the spex for yer new-to-come sunset?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: droz il on February 19, 2011, 07:45:00 PM
Another nice Hill. Congrats Gene.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on February 19, 2011, 09:58:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Kapellmeister:
'Boo & Yew and Walnut, too!
..... The more I shoot it, the more I love this bow!
 
**************
Gene, she's a beauty!
   :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:    

Yeah!  I really like the contrast between the dark boo and light yew limbs...pretty, and it shoots to boot!!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on February 19, 2011, 10:09:00 PM
Nice bow!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on February 19, 2011, 10:46:00 PM
Hey Mudd, what's the wood on your Big 5 riser. I have it's twin at home.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on February 19, 2011, 10:50:00 PM
I think Craig told me it was Paudka or Paduak(not sure of spelling)

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on February 19, 2011, 11:41:00 PM
I already listed the new one in my signature (got the ants in my pants ya know) it's named "El Tigre" after the Jaguar Howard took in Mexico. This is a new one for Nate in that it has glass on the back only like the Schulz Naturals. It is 65" long and should finish out around 58@26.5" with brown glass on the back, caramelized lams, and according to Nate, a stunning Myrtle riser.

The shorter length works to keep the cast up, and works fine with this style bow...John liked his Naturals at 64" for his 26" draw. The difference is this one is setup for modern strings! This style of bow naturally has more string follow than a glass bow which makes them even softer at the shot, and more stable, just not quite as fast which really doesn't matter much to me anyway.

I think it's going to do a great job of replacing my Pete George natural that I had to sell last year, and I suspect that it's going to be even better!     :thumbsup:  

David, this one won't work for you beautiful people...the shelf is on the wrong side!   :biglaugh:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Owlmagnet on February 20, 2011, 11:32:00 AM
I currently own and enjoy a pair of 66" Wesley Specials, one with backset, the other with string follow.  Love'em.  I am getting inspired by Dick Wrightman's fondness for the shelfless, shoot off the knuckle, HH longbow.  I assume I would have to drop the spine of my spruce shafts five or ten pounds to get around the riser.  Anybody else working with a shelfless Hill?  If so, how's it working for ya?  Thanks, guys--I've been lovin' this thread.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Joe Subler on February 20, 2011, 03:30:00 PM
Just curious if anyone who knows who got Robin Hood #1?

Joe
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Claymore on February 20, 2011, 04:56:00 PM
I have heard that Craig has a customer that get all the #1. Can't remember where I read that.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Claymore on February 20, 2011, 06:07:00 PM
Dick Wightman I believe will know. I don't know if he knows the person or not.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on February 20, 2011, 06:29:00 PM
Shoot! Why go through Dick when Craig is now one of our sponsors and we can ask him directly.

Unless that person doesn't want that fame it shouldn't be a problem getting a name, assuming the story is true to begin with.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kelly on February 20, 2011, 06:29:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SpankyNeal:
I already listed the new one in my signature (got the ants in my pants ya know) it's named "El Tigre" after the Jaguar Howard took in Mexico. This is a new one for Nate in that it has glass on the back only like the Schulz Naturals. It is 65" long and should finish out around 58@26.5" with brown glass on the back, caramelized lams, and according to Nate, a stunning Myrtle riser.

The shorter length works to keep the cast up, and works fine with this style bow...John liked his Naturals at 64" for his 26" draw. The difference is this one is setup for modern strings! This style of bow naturally has more string follow than a glass bow which makes them even softer at the shot, and more stable, just not quite as fast which really doesn't matter much to me anyway.

I think it's going to do a great job of replacing my Pete George natural that I had to sell last year, and I suspect that it's going to be even better!      :thumbsup:  

David, this one won't work for you beautiful people...the shelf is on the wrong side!    :biglaugh:  
As far as I know the Schulz Naturals never had any glass in them. They were all bamboo backed with either bamboo, or yew or osage cores-no glass.

I'm expecting a new Sunset Hill sometime this Spring. Hope it arrives in time for Spring Bear.  :)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on February 20, 2011, 06:37:00 PM
Thanks Kelly, I always thought that was the Grandpa's and Tonkins...shows how much I know LOL! I'm still learning about all the different models John made! Someone who knows John's bows should pipe in and fill us in!

Hope yours gets there in time for your hunt!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on February 20, 2011, 06:51:00 PM
(http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac144/timwsmith/02-20-11172-1.jpg)

Did a little Hill stumpin' today.

 (http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac144/timwsmith/02-20-11183-1.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: RC on February 20, 2011, 07:22:00 PM
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: RC on February 20, 2011, 07:23:00 PM
I`m prolly gonna have to trade this sweet Big 5 with an extra lam of yew in the middle for one 4-5 pounds less weight.Its 55@28 and 66 long with straight grip.I`ve tried ti "build" up but as I get older I find I "tear" up.

no wheelin or dealin on the powwow please

   (http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/IMG_1364.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on February 20, 2011, 07:45:00 PM
Far Rider that's a beauty!

Thanks for sharing.

God bless,Mudd

PS: Apologies Rob!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on February 20, 2011, 07:50:00 PM
RC-I have a GORH t-shirt I'll trade ya!!!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: RC on February 20, 2011, 07:53:00 PM
Thanks for the Shirt Brother. I`ll wear it to a few shoots Lord Willing.I`m not sure its a good trade though...lol.RC
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on February 20, 2011, 08:00:00 PM
It was worth a shot!

 I'll get it out to you tomorrow.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 20, 2011, 08:08:00 PM
please guyz - no sellin or horse tradin on the powwow, classifieds only - thank you
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on February 20, 2011, 08:12:00 PM
Rob can you post a closeup picture of that modified locator grip on your new bow.Thanks
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 20, 2011, 08:18:00 PM
ben, that's not a modified grip, that's the way craig is now shaping them, according to jason.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/hhb53.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/hhb54.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/hhb55.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/hhb56.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on February 20, 2011, 08:22:00 PM
Your probably right Rob,that looks identical to my new one.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on February 20, 2011, 08:23:00 PM
Thanks im going to give that grip a try.I didn't like that pointy straight grip so i sent it back to round it off, but im going to ask for that grip.Thanks again   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Raging Water on February 20, 2011, 09:06:00 PM
Gents,

Got this 100# HH from Joseph Garvon, originally owned by Leo Markert.

THe grip was huge. For those of you that know Leo, he is a big man. I am only 5' 9" so I don't have big hands.

Anyway, the Riser is covered with Elephant Skin.

I sent the bow to Craig to reduce the grip and make it dished. While, Craig was at it, he added the Elephant Silver Inlay.

What do you think?

Here is the original HUGE Grip!

   (http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/hemdell/100%20LBS%20HH/Grip1.jpg)

Here is the re-sized Grip!

   (http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/hemdell/100%20LBS%20HH/Grip2.jpg)

Original Straight Versus Dished

   (http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/hemdell/100%20LBS%20HH/IMG00414-20110101-1358.jpg)    (http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/hemdell/100%20LBS%20HH/P1010213.jpg)

No Inlay and with the Elephant Inlay

   (http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/hemdell/100%20LBS%20HH/IMG00414-20110101-1358.jpg)    (http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/hemdell/100%20LBS%20HH/P1010224.jpg)    (http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/hemdell/100%20LBS%20HH/P1010240.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: RC on February 20, 2011, 09:07:00 PM
Sorry Rob.RC
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on February 20, 2011, 09:25:00 PM
Thanks Roy, it was my first custom made bow. Had Craig make it. I found some really nice claro walnut for the riser, some curly maple for the outer lams, along with some mastodon ivory for the tip overlays. Then I just shipped to Craig and he did the rest. She's a real sweet shooter too. 53# @ 30 1/2"
 (http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac144/timwsmith/customwesley6.jpg)

 (http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac144/timwsmith/customwesley15.jpg)

 (http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac144/timwsmith/customwesley2.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on February 20, 2011, 09:46:00 PM
Matt,
that bruit of a bow is beautious!  The elephant is cool too.  I like the wood in the riser..

************

Tim,
Craig did an EXCELLENT job on your custom bow..
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: canopyboy on February 20, 2011, 10:38:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Joe Subler:
Just curious if anyone who knows who got Robin Hood #1?

Joe
I held it in my hands when I was there.  Craig said he was keeping it for himself.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on February 21, 2011, 04:28:00 AM
I said it before, but I'll say it again here: Far Rider, your bow is absolutely stunning! Well-done on those great choices!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on February 21, 2011, 04:30:00 AM
Matt, I can't quite tell from the pictures: What are the limb veneers? Some timber under clear glass? Or brown glass?

I am a sucker for bocote. Does anybody know if Craig would put bocote veneers over bamboo, with a bocote riser?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on February 21, 2011, 04:32:00 AM
Matt and Far Rider, I do NOT need or wish to be pushed over the edge again so soon, but your pictures aren't helping! I will resist... Until next time...
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on February 21, 2011, 05:42:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Ben Kleinig:

I am a sucker for bocote. Does anybody know if Craig would put bocote veneers over bamboo, with a bocote riser?
*****

Ben,
Me too!  Most of the Bocote I see lately on these bows has been gorgeous...dark and deeply figured - Another tribute to Craig - he puts absolutely no junk into his craft.
     :thumbsup:    

There's a pic of a beautiful bow on this thread (far rider) showing a Craig built using specially hand picked materials by the customer including a lam of curly maple on the belly...I would think he would/could/has....thought about that too.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on February 21, 2011, 08:19:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Ben Kleinig:
I said it before, but I'll say it again here: Far Rider, your bow is absolutely stunning! Well-done on those great choices!
x2!!! Beautiful bow.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on February 21, 2011, 09:50:00 AM
Yes x2 would be an understatement.Congrats
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: ErikT on February 21, 2011, 11:06:00 AM
Northern Mist?
Who happens to know how deep the shelves are cut on a NM long bow?  I ordered a Whisper and trying to run a spine calculator to see what spine to start with but I'm not sure how deep the riser is cut.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: RC on February 21, 2011, 11:07:00 AM
What brace height do you guys run on your 66" Hill Bows?RC
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Buckwheaties on February 21, 2011, 12:03:00 PM
Craig recommends 6 1/4" on the 66"er. That works well for me.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 21, 2011, 12:50:00 PM
Ben, Craig has and will do Bacote veneers. I talked to him about a week and a half ago and he says he has some in stock veneers.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kevin L. on February 21, 2011, 01:08:00 PM
RC, mine vary from 6 1/8"- 6/1/4". These seem to be the "sweet spot" for mine.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on February 21, 2011, 01:23:00 PM
Yep, 6 1/8" - 6 3/8" for the ones i've had.

Craig built a bow that came with Bacote veneers at one time, but I can't remember the name of it, "Wapiti" I think. He is pretty open to your desires as long as it will work.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on February 21, 2011, 02:19:00 PM
Wow! Thanks guys, I appreciate the compliments. I have to hand it to Craig, he sure was patient with me while I simmered over my choices. Was over a year in the making, but for sure, there were no disappointments. Thanks again, and likewise, I have seen a number of truly stunning Hill bows in this thread.

Tim
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Nate Steen . on February 21, 2011, 02:23:00 PM
Spanky,

a clarification on the Schulz bow thing...

John's Trophy Hunter's were glass faced and backed and in the 64" range for his 26" draw..ie. the one in his video.  His Naturals were in the 60 - 62" range for his draw.  The bow I'm building you is glass on the back only, to replace the bamboo backing.  Similar to what Steve Schulz made and is going to be remaking.  David Miller is making the all bamboo/bamboo backed bows right now, per Schulz's instruction.  These bows are generally a little shorter than the glass faced/backed bows.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on February 21, 2011, 04:17:00 PM
Far Rider I stand corrected. Here's what I learned from Craig. "I am guessing that the riser is bubinga (a reddish colored wood)".

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: huntinoly on February 21, 2011, 04:37:00 PM
Someone want to see Bacote on a hill bow. This is mine 52# @ 28" 70" ntn  \\

images no wider than 640, please


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Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rooselk on February 21, 2011, 04:44:00 PM
Wow! Very nice indeed.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Overspined on February 21, 2011, 04:47:00 PM
I was shooting one of my NM classics at the bunny stomp in MI this past weekend and one of the guys turned around and said "did you just shoot? It barely makes a sound!" I replied that it allows me to shoot a quiver full of arrows at animals before they escape!

Truth is, all of my hill and hill style bows are extremely quiet so long as the arrow mass is sufficient. I prefer 68", and all I hear is the swoosh of the string!

I will have to post a pic of my current herem...
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: MJB on February 21, 2011, 04:49:00 PM
huntinoly
 
  :eek:  That's beautiful
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 21, 2011, 05:02:00 PM
Greg, that is one of the best looking Hills I've seen in a while!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on February 21, 2011, 05:02:00 PM
Super nice bow, mate! Thanks for sharing that.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Montauks on February 21, 2011, 05:34:00 PM
This thread gets better and better!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on February 21, 2011, 06:33:00 PM
Hey Greg, very nice "Jungle Cat" there man...love the Zebra grip!  :thumbsup:  

Thanks Nate for straightening me out on that one. I guess I got the Natural thing from Steve's website and assumed that is how John's were made. Can't wait to get it bud!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on February 21, 2011, 06:56:00 PM
huntioly, very nice, love the scrimshaw tigress. Very nice and very unique.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on February 21, 2011, 06:57:00 PM
Bubinga, got it, thanks Mudd!

Tim
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: GMASIUK on February 21, 2011, 07:00:00 PM
Hey far rider, I really like that maple and walnut Hill of yours. Very classy! It's almost too nice to hunt with!

Glen
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: RC on February 21, 2011, 07:07:00 PM
MMYYY GGOOODNESSSS what a purty bow!!RC
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on February 21, 2011, 07:10:00 PM
Thanks, the key being "almost" too pretty to hunt with!    :archer:  Just can't leave it on the rack, she shoots way to sweet!

huntinoly, love the outer lams on yours!

Tim
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Raging Water on February 22, 2011, 10:30:00 AM
Wow, this thread finally made it to the second page of Pow Wow after 1300 + posts. Amazing.

Oops, now it's back on top. Dang!

Matt
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 22, 2011, 01:51:00 PM
This bow might look familiar 68" Big 5.   :D  3rd set of three at approx 15yds. Surewood cut 30" bop, 145gr tip.

 (http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/TradNut/101_0396.jpg)
 (http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/TradNut/101_0397.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 22, 2011, 02:11:00 PM
SEE THE CLASSIFIEDS!   :D
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Oliverstacy on February 23, 2011, 04:30:00 PM
All this HH talk has finally gotten to me also and the bug is dug in deep!  So I sit here trying to figure out exactly what I want.  I wanted Wannabe1’s bow but can’t swing the money right now so I think I’m going the order and pay over the build time approach.

I have it narrowed down to 2 bows that are completely different one is plain the other would be fancy:

Bow Option #1   68” Wesley Special with the lams caramelized, Grey Glass, Myrtle riser and laced leather wrap and Myrtle tip overlays.  Might add a Whitetail inlay but I’m not sure yet.

Bow Option #2 68” Redman (edited)  :knothead:   all yew…riser and lams under clear glass with a laced leather wrap with antler tip overlays.

I’m looking for a straight limb model with a standard grip and around 53 @ 29” but will have the weight on the bow at the 28” mark.

Got the bug bad!

What do you think?

Josh
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 23, 2011, 04:37:00 PM
I'd like to see bow option #1.   :D
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 23, 2011, 04:42:00 PM
josh - ultimately, it's yer bow and yer call. if you have a true 29" draw, a 70" length will be noticeably smoother when pulling string. my 68" big 5 with caramelized boo and string follow is a tad under 55@29 and pulls ok, but i shudda got it at 70". hmmm, i hear the classifieds calling ....

personally, i prefer all boo for the limbs and i'm liking the caramelized flavor even better.

i just ordered a tembo blank, 70", 47@ 29 (knowing full well the bow will finish well over 50#), tillered to 30", caramelized boo limbs, slight string follow, clear glass, plain reinforced ends, cocobolo riser. will install a connexion hinge.

the fun never ends, as it should be   ;)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on February 23, 2011, 04:54:00 PM
Isn't the Cheetah made of Juniper and bamboo?

Personally, I like the looks of plain bamboo under clear glass, and think that it isn't too gaudy for the bush at all.

And, going for the 70" bow was the best thing I ever did to improve my ability with Hills. However, I jumped from 66" to 70", without ever trying the 68". The 70" bow is fine in the bush - no problems.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kevin L. on February 23, 2011, 05:07:00 PM
Ben, you're right. A Cheetah is Juniper and bamboo. All yew is a Redman and yew and bamboo is a halfbreed.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Oliverstacy on February 23, 2011, 05:32:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Kevin L.:
Ben, you're right. A Cheetah is Juniper and bamboo. All yew is a Redman and yew and bamboo is a halfbreed.
I knew whatever I picked was going to be wrong...didn't have the site in front of me and thought the Redman was the Juniper and the Cheetah was the yew.

So option #2 would be the Redman...sorry about that!  I'm going to get edit that!

 
Quote
josh - ultimately, it's yer bow and yer call. if you have a true 29" draw, a 70" length will be noticeably smoother when pulling string. my 68" big 5 with caramelized boo and string follow is a tad under 55@29 and pulls ok, but i shudda got it at 70". hmmm, i hear the classifieds calling ....  
Rob...I do draw to 29 to 29.5 if I remember to hit anchor...my shooting accuracy suffers if I short draw so I know when I'm not hitting my anchor.  Concentrating on a full draw with good back tension helps me shoot the best!


Josh
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kevin L. on February 23, 2011, 05:34:00 PM
Josh, don't sweat it. I have to write down little things like my address and phone #, but I have the Hill lineup memorized    :help:

Kevin
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on February 23, 2011, 05:38:00 PM
Oliver, definitely go 70" length.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Oliverstacy on February 23, 2011, 06:09:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by David Mitchell:
Oliver, definitely go 70" length.
I have a 66" Cumberland and if I go with 70" it's going to be a 2-piece!

Josh
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: MikeM on February 23, 2011, 06:10:00 PM
Ditto on going with the 70" length
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on February 23, 2011, 08:13:00 PM
Josh, by your draw your right in the middle of the two lengths so i'm going to offer something different. Some folks are fine going longer, and others are perfectly happy going shorter. If you can't shoot both lengths then I would suggest that you think seriously about which is most important to you in this bow, smoothness (70") or performance (68") then make your choice accordingly. When it all comes down to it, either will work JMHO!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on February 23, 2011, 08:16:00 PM
Oliverstacy-

I spoke with Craig a few months ago about a Myrtle riser. Craig has plain Myrtle, not the burl or fiddleback fancy stuff. You might want to order the fancy Myrtle and have it shipped to Craig. I think he said he needed 18x2x2.

Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Blueridge on February 23, 2011, 09:03:00 PM
Just sold one of my old Widows, trying to figure out what to get to go with my Wesley and Big 5.  Thinking about a Redman, comments welcome about this all Yew bow.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on February 23, 2011, 09:34:00 PM
I love my Redman ! But I also just got a t/d Rhino that is a sweet shooter .
I thinks perhaps though that the Robin Hood Special Ed is the pic of the bunch . It just shoots so very very nice ... Some lovely Yew with a backing of 'boo .
sweeeetttt!!!!!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on February 23, 2011, 09:44:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SpankyNeal:
Josh, by your draw your right in the middle of the two lengths so i'm going to offer something different. Some folks are fine going longer, and others are perfectly happy going shorter. If you can't shoot both lengths then I would suggest that you think seriously about which is most important to you in this bow, smoothness (70") or performance (68") then make your choice accordingly. When it all comes down to it, either will work JMHO!
*********

Just a thought - Craig is making mine at 69". Guess you could do that...

I don't have the experience to share on whether or  not sure that one inch would make a difference either say but I learned within this thread that it could so, with my draw at 29" I opted for 69"er.  

Obviously, the consensus here has always been to go longer if there is any question.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Blueridge on February 23, 2011, 09:55:00 PM
Hmmm, lot a choices!  How does all yew compare to all bamboo.  My Wesley is 4/boo lams with a lam of yew on the back and very smooth. The Big 5 is all boo w/string follow . Both shoot great but the Big 5 is 6# heavier (61@28) and my favorite to shoot.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 23, 2011, 10:02:00 PM
though there are exceptions, for the most part i agree about the bow length for 29" - you can easily get by with 68", but there can be a tad more smoothness at the last inch with a 70" length.  dunno that you can feel that at 69".  i think these little nitty gritty things come down to the bowyer, you, and ... luck.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Joe Subler on February 23, 2011, 11:01:00 PM
I've always wondered, and maybe someone can answer, if combining different woods on bow limbs kinda defeats the purpose of the core lams.  For instance, on a Cheetah with 2 bamboo lams and 2 juniper lams, will the juniper (as beautiful as it may be) take away some of the smoothness/performance of the bamboo since the juniper has different characteristics from the bamboo?

Cheers
Joe
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on February 23, 2011, 11:37:00 PM
Aside from maybe Osage I have never noticed any difference in how any of the woods shoot .
Bamboo seems to have a feel of its own and after many years I have come to prefer shooting yew, elm and osage over 'boo .
Mixing and matching seems to make no diffrence to me but some bowyers will add that mixing woods etc ain't a good thing and prefer single species / type and glass rather than the mix and match .
My halfbreed sure does shoot nice but !
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Steve Clandinin on February 24, 2011, 12:02:00 AM
Blueridge,Today the delivery man brought a "Long Box" to the door.It is in my opinion THE nicest looking longbow I have ever seen.A HH Red Cheetah,Yew cores with Juniper veneers,Cocobolo Riser and tips ,It has an antique look and is absolutely stunning.Shes 66",56@28" with a slight string follow and smooth as Butta.Check out the Yew and juniper combo.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 24, 2011, 12:14:00 AM
Steve, without pics, I just can't believe ya!   :D
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Steve Clandinin on February 24, 2011, 12:47:00 AM
Tw I'll send em to you tommorrow as I'm computer challanged ! (Spelling too!)I know you'll post for all to enjoy !LOL.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on February 24, 2011, 02:07:00 AM
Nice Steve ...
looking foward to pics , great sounding combo !
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: GingivitisKahn on February 24, 2011, 06:51:00 AM
Yep - that's a pretty flimsy description.  Better show us some pics just to be safe.   :D
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Steve Clandinin on February 24, 2011, 07:57:00 AM
Pics Sent to TW for posting.I just had Spine Surgery three weeks ago and am not suppose to even string my bows,according to my Dr., the Surgeon,My wife,My son and daughter.
( My God she draws Smooth !)To things I don't do well LISTEN and work a Computer !LOL
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kevin L. on February 24, 2011, 08:01:00 AM
Ooohh! That sounds like a nice combo Steve. Can't wait to see it. Can you give us more info on the "antique" finish? I've had the matte and hand-polished gloss, but I never heard of this one.

Kevin
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Steve Clandinin on February 24, 2011, 08:18:00 AM
Kevin,I don't think its the finish (Matte) as much as its the matching of the Wood combos.The Cocobolo riser blending with the Juniper limbs and Yew cores.I notice reg. bamboo is very white and compared to the Yew looks very Bright and New looking.The grain of the Juniper skins is just fantastic,no camera can capture that look.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Blueridge on February 24, 2011, 08:27:00 AM
Can't wait to see her Steve,don't mess your back up though .
Leaning toward a Redman, all yew, don't really need another bow but this will be something different.
Rob I can't believe you are selling that beauty of a bow!!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kevin L. on February 24, 2011, 08:46:00 AM
OK, I gotcha. Sounds like a nice combo, can't wait to see it.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on February 24, 2011, 09:09:00 AM
Haven't seen the Cheetah done with Yew cores, I'm intrigued! Sounds very nice. T.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 24, 2011, 12:42:00 PM
Sorry for the delay folks. We had a dumping of snow which is unusual for my area. Been out with the son playing. Steve's Red Cheetah

 (http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/TradNut/100_1310.jpg)
 (http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/TradNut/100_1311.jpg)
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Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 24, 2011, 12:43:00 PM
(http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/TradNut/100_1313.jpg)
 (http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/TradNut/100_1314.jpg)
 (http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/TradNut/100_1315.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Steve Clandinin on February 24, 2011, 01:00:00 PM
Tw,Thanks a million my friend,Iowe you !
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Blueridge on February 24, 2011, 01:11:00 PM
that is a great looking bow, is that a locator grip?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on February 24, 2011, 01:44:00 PM
Not at all Steve. That bow sure is a beaut!   :thumbsup:    :clapper:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on February 24, 2011, 02:11:00 PM
beautiful bow for sure!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Steve Clandinin on February 24, 2011, 02:11:00 PM
Blue,yes its a locator grip,fits like a glove,like I said pics don't do this bow justice, it is stunning.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Blake Dustin Adams on February 24, 2011, 02:16:00 PM
You guys are killing me.  I already bought three bows this year and now I want another two or three.  Just got a Paxton Talon as my first D-bow but haven't had a chance to take it out.  Now I'm really wanting a combo of a Redman and a Crocodile.  Also a Black Cougar would be nice, you know Black Locust instead of Honey locust.

It's all murder on my bank account as I'm saving to take my girlfriend on vacation while I'm stationed over here.  I gotta say she's great though.  We were talking about our faults last week and I mentioned wanting bows.  She asked if there was something I wanted right then. "Yeah" I said, "buy it" she said.  I think I need to marry her, plus she wants to shoot with me, bow buying for her too.  I'd be maybe too lucky.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on February 24, 2011, 02:19:00 PM
Ha!  Marry the girl ASAP.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on February 24, 2011, 04:16:00 PM
Sounds like a great girl, Blake!
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Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on February 24, 2011, 04:18:00 PM
Nice bow, Steve!
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Post by: OP-archer on February 24, 2011, 04:32:00 PM
Holy Moley - 91 pages! Who'd a' thought?  Great stuff and beautiful bows.
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Post by: Steve Clandinin on February 24, 2011, 05:06:00 PM
Thanks Ben,Its all those pctures of you,your mates and all that hunting that got me stoked again with these bows.Memories of simpiler times and the way things should be ,so glad to be back aboard.
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Post by: cacciatore on February 24, 2011, 05:14:00 PM
Congrats Steve,very nice HH.I love Juniper veneers,I think those are native from MT.
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Post by: Ben Maher on February 24, 2011, 05:16:00 PM
Steve ... wow mate !
I knew it would look nice but ... just awesome ...
Now we need some pics afield eh !
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Post by: far rider on February 24, 2011, 06:38:00 PM
Man, sweet combo! Really sharp bow.
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Post by: Steve Clandinin on February 24, 2011, 06:55:00 PM
Ben,Iwould love to be in the field right now,most days in my mind I'm there,but spine Surgery 3 weeks ago is kind of slowing it down,plus today was -39 degrees,It'll come !
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Post by: Steve Clandinin on February 24, 2011, 06:58:00 PM
Felix,lots of Juniper in Alberta and British Columbia where I'm from along with Yew,thats why these two combos.I remember years ago hunting with my Dad and he'd point out the differant trees,lots of memories !My friend we have so much to talk about around a campfire !LOL
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Post by: Cookus on February 24, 2011, 10:10:00 PM
That's a beautiful bow Steve!   I wish you well in your recovery... Take your time!   Look forward to finding the perfect shaft...   You've got a wonderful spring ahead!
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Post by: on February 24, 2011, 10:29:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Steve Clandinin:
Thanks Ben,Its all those pctures of you,your mates and all that hunting that got me stoked again with these bows.Memories of simpiler times and the way things should be ,so glad to be back aboard.
"simpler times and the way things should be"  
Exactly my feeling!  This is refreshing!!

Steve, hoping for the best regarding your recovery - take your time, you'll be rompin around the woods before you know it!
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Post by: far rider on February 24, 2011, 10:55:00 PM
Look what showed up at the post office today!

 (http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac144/timwsmith/HalfBreed2.jpg)

Half Breed! Boo and Yew, what's not to love. I'll try to get a better pic tomorrow.
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Post by: longbowben on February 24, 2011, 11:02:00 PM
HH Archery sure has been busy building  Some beautiful bows!!
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Post by: far rider on February 24, 2011, 11:10:00 PM
Like most of mine, I bought it second hand, but this one is as new as it can be for a used bow. I just couldn't pass it by. It's a sickness! I wonder if there is a 12 step for Hill owners?
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Post by: longbowben on February 24, 2011, 11:14:00 PM
I look every day for left hand hill bows.Im sick
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Post by: Ben Maher on February 24, 2011, 11:25:00 PM
Nice going Far Rider !

My first Hill was a halfbreed and day in day out it has managed to take game all over Australia ...

Awesome choice !
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Post by: Mudd on February 24, 2011, 11:27:00 PM
Far Rider,"It's a sickness! I wonder if there is a 12 step for Hill owners?"

If there is such a program I might be in need of a sponsor...lol

God bless,Mudd

PS: Would someone please post some pictures of ugly Hills so all of these beauty's that have been being posted lately can be flushed from my brain.
I could also use some kind of moisture absorption stuff to dry out the drool from my keyboard..lol
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Post by: Steve Clandinin on February 24, 2011, 11:52:00 PM
Far Rider,that is one nice stick! I always thought that would be a great combo,sorta the best of both worlds,All the best with her.
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Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on February 25, 2011, 03:24:00 AM
Nice one, FR!
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Post by: GingivitisKahn on February 25, 2011, 06:31:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by longbowben:
I look every day for left hand hill bows.Im sick
That's a very specific malady.  Bet there's no name for it.  I name it Longbowben's Disease.  Tada!
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Post by: Kevin L. on February 25, 2011, 08:15:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by far rider:
I wonder if there is a 12 step for Hill owners?
Lordy, I hope not. It's way too much fun being sick!
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Post by: SpankyNeal on February 25, 2011, 08:40:00 AM
Two beautiful new Hills...congrats guys!   :thumbsup:  I'll have one to show here pretty soon...I'm really starting to get itchy for this one!
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Post by: David Mitchell on February 25, 2011, 10:06:00 AM
I'm with Kevin....if there's a cure for this PLEASE don't tell me about it.   :bigsmyl:
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Post by: tradlongbow on February 25, 2011, 01:44:00 PM
TW-

The bow is really nice, I like the cocobola riser on the cheetah. It also looks like you got the gloss finish. I had Craig put gloss on my last Hill, the grain in the wood really pops.

Darren
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Post by: Wannabe1 on February 25, 2011, 02:04:00 PM
Darren, that's Steve Clandinin's bow. Not mine. I just helped out so that others could see it. In fact, he didn't read the fine line where I get first dibs on all Red Cheetahs that I have to post!   :laughing:    :laughing:
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Post by: Blueridge on February 25, 2011, 02:13:00 PM
This is getting out of hand !! someone make me stop !!
LB Ben and Dave, you aren't the only lefty's on the prowl.
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Post by: David Mitchell on February 25, 2011, 03:20:00 PM
Blueridge and LongbowBen--maybe we should set up a system as to who gets to go first when one comes up.  I know, let's do it by member number, yeah, that would work for me; how about you guys?  Lowest number gets first dibs!  :readit:    :laughing:
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Post by: Steve Clandinin on February 25, 2011, 05:07:00 PM
Tw gets first dibs on my bow...BUT... I hope hes not holding his breath gonna be a long time !LOL.In all honesty they all have such a unique look ,thats why guys like us keep buying them.So many combinations.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 25, 2011, 05:36:00 PM
the madness continues, just ordered a 2nd tembo.  :D     :smileystooges:
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Post by: Wannabe1 on February 25, 2011, 05:40:00 PM
Steve, I was just razzin ya!    :D   66" is to short for me anyway. I hope she bring you many hours of shooting enjoyment.    :thumbsup:

Rob, is this one gonna be a 1pc?
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Post by: Oliverstacy on February 25, 2011, 05:40:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
the madness continues, just ordered a 2nd tembo.    :D         :smileystooges:  
Congrats...I'm very close to ordering!

I'll call tomorrow and see if I can pull the trigger.

What did he say the current wait time was?

Josh
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Post by: Wannabe1 on February 25, 2011, 05:41:00 PM
Josh, they are not open on Sat.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 25, 2011, 05:45:00 PM
it's a 1pc tembo, 70", 50@28, candy boo under clear glass, string follow, plain tips, coco riser, locator handle, black laced grip.

wait time is now 5-6 weeks - and counting.   :)  

the tembo blank is due to me inside 3 weeks.

plus another 'hawk t/d ordered as well.

yeah, the fun just never ends ......  :thumbsup:    :notworthy:    :campfire:
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Post by: far rider on February 25, 2011, 06:34:00 PM
WOW, This has been a pretty good thread for Hill buying, selling or in my case.....buying!    :help:  
Rob, Mudd myself and a few others are considering a support group called HillLongbowManiacsR-Us anonymous! You in?
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Post by: Steve Clandinin on February 25, 2011, 06:56:00 PM
Might as well sign us all up,I'm sure we've all done crazier things! LOL
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Post by: Ben Maher on February 25, 2011, 06:58:00 PM
Rob...haha !
I am going to try a new one with the same grip as you ordered . I'm normally a straight grip fella but if I can get a well rounded one I can see it gracing a new Redman or crocodile ...

I'll call them this week , those new sponsors of ours !

I am thinking a new Redman or Crocodile
66" 55# @ 27 "
no limb tips ....

Mmmmmm ?
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Post by: stik&string on February 25, 2011, 07:19:00 PM
Wow guys I thought I got it bad as I just ordered a Robin Hood. Craig told me about 5 weeks, and I also like the looks of Rob's grip so I ordered that as well. Jeez maybe I need the support group too.
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Post by: Ben Maher on February 25, 2011, 07:24:00 PM
Stik, you will love the Robin Hood ... man is it a sweet shooter ! I am tempted to order another one .
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Post by: RC on February 25, 2011, 07:25:00 PM
I`ve decided with my Wifes prodding to send my Big 5 to Craig and get a weight reduction as its a bit to stout for me. I`m also gonna get him to turn the straight grip into a slight locator like the one Rob had posted of his.I had thought about swapping with Brother Mudd..actually decided to swap then changed my mind. Sorry Brother I`m gonna keep this one a bit but thank You for your trouble. Should get it back in a couple of weeks. Just in time whack a swamp rooster.

 Is this thread some sort of a "record"? We are all sick. Nothing a big gathering around a campfire for a few nights and some trips through the swamp will not heal though....RC
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Post by: GMASIUK on February 25, 2011, 07:48:00 PM
I just ordered a new Tembo today also! It's gonna be a long 5 weeks. It should have a different look. At least I haven't seen one with this combo.

Glen
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 25, 2011, 07:54:00 PM
you guyz will LOVE the new locator - totally revamped and no longer that dang wedge-in-the-hand, she's all nice and rounded REAL COMFY.
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Post by: GMASIUK on February 25, 2011, 07:54:00 PM
I know what ya mean Rob, bows coming in from all directions. Two weeks ago I received another BW PCHX, yesterday my lost creek Life-Ender showed up and, in 5 weeks a new Hill Tembo! So many bows and so little time.

Glen
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Post by: on February 25, 2011, 08:20:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
the madness continues, just ordered a 2nd tembo.    :D         :smileystooges:  
LOL!!      :bigsmyl:  

Stark ravin' madmen...every one of you!  A pitiful but happy group...slurrp...
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Post by: Blueridge on February 25, 2011, 08:53:00 PM
Dave, I don't think that is a good idea at all. You have more than I do!
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Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on February 25, 2011, 08:56:00 PM
Yep, that new shape to the locator has grown on me, and I really like it.
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Post by: longbowben on February 25, 2011, 10:38:00 PM
I sent mine back to get the locator grip.Now im having problems sleeping.Man i didnt think thier was that many leftys looking for HH bows   :help:
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Post by: Steve Clandinin on February 25, 2011, 11:14:00 PM
That locator grip is the cats meow.My hand just fell into the grip.
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Post by: on February 26, 2011, 03:56:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Ben Kleinig:
Yep, that new shape to the locator has grown on me, and I really like it.
Ben, did you have to ask specially for the "new and improved" locator?  

I gave Craig some pretty good dimensions to work with because I have very large hands and ordered a the locator but did not know there was "lack of pointy" option..
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 26, 2011, 05:28:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Tony Van Dort:
 
Quote
Originally posted by Ben Kleinig:
Yep, that new shape to the locator has grown on me, and I really like it.
Ben, did you have to ask specially for the "new and improved" locator?  

I gave Craig some pretty good dimensions to work with because I have very large hands and ordered a the locator but did not know there was "lack of pointy" option.. [/b]
the "new and improved" rounded grip is now the standard.  no more pointy-wedge-teardrop.  amen.
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Post by: on February 26, 2011, 05:52:00 AM
Cool! (amen) I never had to experience that displeasure..

BTW, has any of your recent Hills been string follow?  And if so, have you been able to shoot enough to get a feel for the difference?
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 26, 2011, 05:57:00 AM
as i've noted elsewhere ...

"there is a feeling on the release with string follow longbows that i can only best describe as 'soft' and 'forgiving'. some like it, some don't - most do. i do, too."

is string follow slower than backset/reflex?  probably.  didn't notice that in a big5 comparison (both 68" and 50#, string follow and backset) @ 27 yards.
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Post by: on February 26, 2011, 06:49:00 AM
Yeah, I remember reading the first part recently...must have missed the "comparison"  thing..

Thanks Rob!
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Post by: canopyboy on February 26, 2011, 08:55:00 AM
Wow, looks like there was another round of bow buying.  Some of you guys are ordering machines!  Rob, I'm looking your way....

Can I ask people to post how many Hills they own/ordered?

I'm at 1/0.  (And thinking there's something wrong....)
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Post by: David Mitchell on February 26, 2011, 09:09:00 AM
I own five and have none on order (at the moment)!  :rolleyes:
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Post by: 2treks on February 26, 2011, 09:10:00 AM
I am at 1/0(/and one on the design table).
I have a really nice Northern Mist Classic 57#@30"
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 26, 2011, 09:22:00 AM
2/2
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Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on February 26, 2011, 09:32:00 AM
I only have a Jerry Hill if that counts.. Shoots really Nice for Me..
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Post by: canopyboy on February 26, 2011, 09:33:00 AM
Aw Rob, I was thinking bigger than that.  So is this a new sickness, or are you just good at passing along the older ones?
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Post by: Mudd on February 26, 2011, 09:40:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by mysticguido:
I only have a Jerry Hill if that counts.. Shoots really Nice for Me..
Don't fool yourself buddy, you are just as sick as the rest of us...lol Congratulations!

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on February 26, 2011, 09:43:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Mudd:
 
Quote
Originally posted by mysticguido:
I only have a Jerry Hill if that counts.. Shoots really Nice for Me..
Don't fool yourself buddy, you are just as sick as the rest of us...lol Congratulations!

God bless,Mudd [/b]
Thanx Sir Mudd, I feel Better Now..
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Post by: far rider on February 26, 2011, 10:00:00 AM
5/1
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 26, 2011, 10:00:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by canopyboy:
Aw Rob, I was thinking bigger than that.  So is this a new sickness, or are you just good at passing along the older ones?
over the decades i can count at least 7 hill longbows, not counting the 2 coming.  in the short and long runs, you only need and can shoot one at a time.  the rest are part of the journey and obsession.
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Post by: Mudd on February 26, 2011, 10:03:00 AM
Well spoken Rob!
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Post by: far rider on February 26, 2011, 10:07:00 AM
I started my journey Rob just trying different bows, with different draws as a trial to get the combo that fit me. Then I ordered the bow I shoot the most often.....problem is, I'm having a hard time selling the others! I do so love grabbing a different one down occasionally just for a change of pace. I think I should have built a smaller bow rack, then I'd have to sell one to get one!
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Post by: Mudd on February 26, 2011, 10:13:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by far rider:
.....problem is, I'm having a hard time selling the others! I do so love grabbing a different one down occasionally just for a change of pace. I think I should have built a smaller bow rack, then I'd have to sell one to get one!
I found that my bow rack is just too far away so I'm right now using two couches, they seem to hold plenty.

Once the weather changes I will go back to hanging them along the edge of the shop overhang so I can shoot whichever one grabs my eye.

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: tradlongbow on February 26, 2011, 10:59:00 AM
1/0,

I sold 2 Hill bows,now I only have one. I'm trying to be a one bow guy, but I'am having a little problem because I've been thinking, and thinking, and thinking, and dreaming, and dreaming and dreaming, and fantasizing, and fantasizing and fantasizing about a stringfollow Tembo. Oh my God, I'm addicted...

Hello my name is Darren and I'm a Hill enthusiast, And I love it!!
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Post by: Wannabe1 on February 26, 2011, 11:04:00 AM
I have 5 now and none on order. I've gone through 3 already so, 8 total in my bow career.   :thumbsup:
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Post by: Archer 1 on February 26, 2011, 11:20:00 AM
I've had the sickness for a long time now, and there is no cure.  :help:  I only have one Big Five 68" 60#@28" right now, but have 7 other hill style bows, and shoot them all.
 Thinking about a 66" Hill at about 55#@28 Just don't know which one yet.  :confused:  I'll figure it out, sooner or later.
  :archer:
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Post by: longbowben on February 26, 2011, 11:22:00 AM
I only have two for now  ;)
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Post by: leatherneck on February 26, 2011, 11:23:00 AM
1/0 for me. Just swapped a Mist this past weekend that was too light for me or I would be at 2. Picked up a 68" Dwyer classic for it.
Waiting for my Wesley to get back as we speak. Had a piece of glass crack on the upper limb. Craig says it must have been a weak spot. Craig took good care of me and didn't bat an eye about fixing it. I wasn't sweating it,things happen. Just hate not having my bow to shoot.   :archer2:

I do LOVE that locator grip on my bow!
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Post by: Steve Clandinin on February 26, 2011, 11:23:00 AM
John,I bit the bullet Awhile back and ordered a new HHill in your exact specs.Yew and Juniper,Beautiful bow.Just Do It ! LOL
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Post by: leatherneck on February 26, 2011, 11:26:00 AM
I've actually been thinking about the woods for my next bow. I'm leaning toward Tulipwood veneers with Ebony handle. I love me some Tulipwood!
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Post by: longbowben on February 26, 2011, 11:43:00 AM
I can see a Cheetah in my future.With string follow and some extras.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: GMASIUK on February 26, 2011, 12:17:00 PM
I've owned 8, and have a new one on order hopefully this is the last one! YA right! LOL
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Post by: Oliverstacy on February 26, 2011, 12:35:00 PM
If I order (and I'm almost certain I'm going to...today’s overtime is helping sway my decision) I want to get a 2-piece.  Calling Monday when they open back up.

Can you still get a dished or locator grip with the 2-piece sleeve or will I need to get the standard?

I don't have huge hands and I'm worried about the finished grip size.

Looking at a grey glass Wesley Special…caramelized boo, Snakewood riser/tip overlays with laced wrap…probably 70” and about 52-54 @ 29”

Thanks,

Josh
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Post by: David Mitchell on February 26, 2011, 12:45:00 PM
Oliverstacy, are you sure you want to cover up that gorgeous carmelized boo with gray glass?  I have a gray glass Hill with ebony riser--cool bow, but if I got the carmelized boo I would only get the gray on one side and let that candy lam show on the other--just my thoughts.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 26, 2011, 01:06:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Oliverstacy:
If I order (and I'm almost certain I'm going to...today’s overtime is helping sway my decision) I want to get a 2-piece.  Calling Monday when they open back up.

Can you still get a dished or locator grip with the 2-piece sleeve or will I need to get the standard?

the t/d sleeve is only a straight grip, no locator or dished.  this is one reason i'm cutting a tembo blank in half and installing a connexion hinge.

I don't have huge hands and I'm worried about the finished grip size.

if the ordered weight is 55# or under, get the small sleeve.  better yet, get a 1pc - too many issues with oval metal sleeves, been there, done that, won't do it again.  the connexion is the better t/d answer for all american flatbows.

Looking at a grey glass Wesley Special…caramelized boo, Snakewood riser/tip overlays with laced wrap…probably 70” and about 52-54 @ 29”

gray glass over candy boo???  seriously rethink that, josh!!!

Thanks,

Josh
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Oliverstacy on February 26, 2011, 01:37:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
 
Quote
Originally posted by Oliverstacy:
If I order (and I'm almost certain I'm going to...today’s overtime is helping sway my decision) I want to get a 2-piece.  Calling Monday when they open back up.

Can you still get a dished or locator grip with the 2-piece sleeve or will I need to get the standard?

the t/d sleeve is only a straight grip, no locator or dished.  this is one reason i'm cutting a tembo blank in half and installing a connexion hinge.

I don't have huge hands and I'm worried about the finished grip size.

if the ordered weight is 55# or under, get the small sleeve.  better yet, get a 1pc - too many issues with oval metal sleeves, been there, done that, won't do it again.  the connexion is the better t/d answer for all american flatbows.

Looking at a grey glass Wesley Special…caramelized boo, Snakewood riser/tip overlays with laced wrap…probably 70” and about 52-54 @ 29”

gray glass over candy boo???  seriously rethink that, josh!!!

Thanks,

Josh
[/b]
Okay so I'll put everything back in the mental hopper and reevaluate everything…I just don’t want the edges of the boo to be bright like they normally are, can they just dull the edges of the boo?

I wish they offered a Connexion hinge…I also agree this is the best one for the job!  One reason I’m hesitant in ordering a HH over a Northern Mist…Steve uses a hinge.

Josh
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Post by: David Mitchell on February 26, 2011, 06:04:00 PM
Oliverstacy, here is a photo of my Hill Big Five string follow bow in gray glass and ebony riser.  If you don't want the clear bamboo to show this light, I would ask Craig to stain it to either match the riser color or the gray.  By the way, like all the bows I've ordered from HH, this one is marked 48@28 but is 51@28.  They have all come out 3-4# heavier than marked.

   (http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy241/davidmitchell_6466/Hill%20string%20follow/BigFivestringfollow001.jpg)
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Post by: Oliverstacy on February 26, 2011, 06:46:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by David Mitchell:
Oliverstacy, here is a photo of my Hill Big Five string follow bow in gray glass and ebony riser.  If you don't want the clear bamboo to show this light, I would ask Craig to stain it to either match the riser color or the gray.  By the way, like all the bows I've ordered from HH, this one is marked 48@28 but is 51@28.  They have all come out 3-4# heavier than marked.

    (http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy241/davidmitchell_6466/Hill%20string%20follow/BigFivestringfollow001.jpg)
I remember that one from the many pages of this thread...awesome looking bow!

Josh
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: sou-pawbowhunter on February 26, 2011, 08:07:00 PM
Oh my!  Here I am with my one Jerry Hill, looking at all these beautiful bows thinking about different riser and glass combinations.  Tell me, is it too late for me to get help, or do I just call Craig and start on the list?  :scared:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on February 26, 2011, 08:24:00 PM
This is one of the reasons I love Hills, so many combos, there is something for everyone.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Blueridge on February 26, 2011, 08:57:00 PM
3/0 a Wesley , Big 5 and one I bought 15 years ago a Free Spirit. Does anyone remember that bowyer?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on February 26, 2011, 09:40:00 PM
OliverStacy wrote:

"Okay so I'll put everything back in the mental hopper and reevaluate everything…I just don’t want the edges of the boo to be bright like they normally are, can they just dull the edges of the boo?"

**********

Josh, I also do not like the brightness of the boo and that is the main reason I chose caramelized (also blends better with the two lams of yew in the core).  The caramelized boo does not cost you a penny more and it looks good covered and/or exposed under clear glass.

Upon seeing how pretty the "candy boo" looked, I opted to put the belly under clear glass and cover the back with Black glass but could have just as easily covered it and would have been happy.    

Have Craig build it just the way you envision it...that is the beauty of this process.

Looking forward to the pic

   :thumbsup:

As a side note, I just got an email from Craig telling me the bow will ship in just a few days!  That is less than three weeks from the my initial contact with him..  Love the service, can't wait to shoot it!
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Post by: David Mitchell on February 26, 2011, 09:41:00 PM
sou-pawbowhunter, yes, you're too far gone.  There is no treatment at this point that will cure the marvelous affliction.  Just go ahead and call Dr. Craig Ekin at Howard Hill Archery and he can give you the medicine that will at least ease your pain for a while.  But like other narcotic potions, it wears off before long and you have to have another fix.  :D
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Post by: WESTBROOK on February 26, 2011, 10:38:00 PM
Another beauty David! How come everyone else has their shelf on the wrong side?  :dunno:  

Eric
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Post by: tg2nd on February 27, 2011, 03:00:00 AM
Own 6 and 2 on order.
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Post by: David Mitchell on February 27, 2011, 07:13:00 AM
Eric, maybe they just don't know any better.  :biglaugh:
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Post by: Mudd on February 27, 2011, 07:56:00 AM
I'm trying one of Capt. Dick's hill style bows that can be shot either way.

That's right, no shelf just shoot off your knuckle like a self bow.

I hope it's like riding a bicycle...lol

It's been a while since I've shot any of my selfbows so it may take a few shots to find the right spine wt for my arrows and to get the old hair covered computer to make it's adjustments.

I know that what Straitera says is true "Trad is 60% mental & about 40% mental"...lol

Anyway if the rain stops today I'm going to try to get outside after church with "Chocolate Moose" and see if I can hit anything.

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: on February 27, 2011, 09:00:00 AM
Have fun Mudd!
Don't drain your "mental" too much...   :p
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Post by: far rider on February 27, 2011, 09:07:00 PM
Interesting Mdd. Pics?
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Post by: Mudd on February 27, 2011, 09:29:00 PM
I haven't taken any pictures but I will if it ever quits raining.

My indoor pictures stink at their very best.

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: stik&string on February 27, 2011, 10:23:00 PM
Mudd, I like the new photo!!!
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Post by: on February 28, 2011, 12:47:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by stik&string:
Mudd, I like the new photo!!!
*************

Me too!!
   :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:
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Post by: tradlongbow on February 28, 2011, 08:46:00 AM
Hey Gang-

I have several books from Hill, and when I seen this rare picture the other day I thought this was the best closeup pic that I have seen of Howards form. I just wanted to share with it with guys, Hope you enjoy it.

Darren

 (http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af219/tradlongbow/hill.jpg)
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 28, 2011, 08:49:00 AM
that pic tells the full story of how a man who should be using a 30" arrow shoots 28" instead.  

also, notice how he "aims the arrow", from his eye, to the string, to the nock, to the point, to the mark.
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Post by: on February 28, 2011, 09:01:00 AM
Timely....
Thanks for posting!

Rob spent some time with me yesterday on this exact form...A picture IS worth a thousand words..
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Post by: Mudd on February 28, 2011, 09:28:00 AM
I now have a new desktop background.

It will serve as a great reminder to myself.

Thank you tradlongbow for sharing that one!

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 28, 2011, 09:34:00 AM
the above image should be a constant reminder of just how great an archer howard hill was when he handicapped himself by adapting his physique to the arrow instead of doing it correctly the other way around.  though the aiming technique is spot on, it should not be a poster for overall correct archery form!
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Post by: Mudd on February 28, 2011, 09:42:00 AM
That didn't last long...lol It just hit me after I went away from this thread..

I said to myself..."Hey I just changed my desktop and... maybe I learned something.

I really did...now Brindlee and I are my new desktop background.

Oh I saved Howard but I'd much rather look at Brindle more frequently than him.

"Priorities!"

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: on February 28, 2011, 09:49:00 AM
:thumbsup:
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Post by: coyote1956 on February 28, 2011, 11:14:00 AM
Howard is proof that if you are consistant you can be good at it!
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Post by: Kelly on February 28, 2011, 11:44:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by tradlongbow:
Hey Gang-

I have several books from Hill, and when I seen this rare picture the other day I thought this was the best closeup pic that I have seen of Howards form. I just wanted to share with it with guys, Hope you enjoy it.

Darren

  (http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af219/tradlongbow/hill.jpg)
Please note the bow Howard is using. That is an carmelized bamboo backed/bamboo bellied bow. Everyone on the other thread was wondering what a Convex/concave bow looks like. Well there it is.
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Post by: Blueridge on February 28, 2011, 11:54:00 AM
Rob, what is the correct archery form?
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Post by: longbowben on February 28, 2011, 12:09:00 PM
:scared:  This is going to get interesting.Just talked to Jason my bow is mailing out today  :bigsmyl:
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Post by: Nate Steen . on February 28, 2011, 12:25:00 PM
Great Photo!

Howard adapted his form to the equipment of the day, but more importantly, he adapted his form for the needs of a hunting archer...meaning he was very fluid and not 'locked out'.  This helped him make moving shots as well as stationary shots and all the trick shots inbetween.  He was not a static target archer in the sense of the term.  You can see photos of Larry Hughes and others at that time who have what is commonly termed today as target form.  

Howard also was left eye dominate, which blows away the concept that your dominate eye has to be over the arrow and lined up with the string.  This photo shows how large and intense his left eye would stare at the target.  Schulz commentated on this fact quite a bit.
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Post by: Swamp Yankee on February 28, 2011, 12:30:00 PM
How in the world did anyone shoot "correctly" before the days of online forums like this...
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Post by: tradlongbow on February 28, 2011, 12:51:00 PM
Nate-

I'm glad you chimed in. I thought the picture of the bow was interesting because it looks like the nodes are somewhat raised on the back of the bow and as noted by Kelly the bamboo seems to be stained.

This is the first time that I have noticed Howard's fingers exposed while drawing the string. It must be just for the photo.

Darren
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Post by: Mudd on February 28, 2011, 12:59:00 PM
Here's "The Mirkat" and Wilson with one of Snags beautiful 4 fletched arrows.

  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Howard%20Hill%20bows/DSC01190.jpg)
  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Howard%20Hill%20bows/DSC01189.jpg)
  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Howard%20Hill%20bows/DSC01188.jpg)
  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Howard%20Hill%20bows/DSC01187.jpg)

"Mirkat" is 66" and 55@28.
Cheetah with diamondback skins.

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: pavan on February 28, 2011, 01:04:00 PM
He was probably practicing his Jay Kidwell technique on his wife's favorite chair. Like Mudd apparently does in his backyard. He would never let go without an arm guard on, his bows had really low brace heights.  I would enjoy hearing some trad gang style analysis of that form.
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Post by: Ricker on February 28, 2011, 01:30:00 PM
:campfire:
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Post by: Mudd on February 28, 2011, 01:32:00 PM
Pavan"Like Mudd apparently does in his backyard."

Huh? What" Did I do something?...lol

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: coyote1956 on February 28, 2011, 01:41:00 PM
when Howard's Eye got big lookout!!!   now thats funny
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 28, 2011, 01:54:00 PM
"correct archery form" always has, and always will be, the form that's most consistent for you, not me, and not anyone else.

with that said, if you truly have a 30" draw length that works yer deltoids, don't hunker down, lean forward into the bow, and shoot a 28" arrow - what, you think yer a howard hill???  :saywhat:   :D

aim however ya like, but do consider and try "aiming the arrow" - it's a very positive alignment process/method.  you don't directly look at the arrow, it's part is strictly to get your "gray bow sight" (brain) centered on the mark for left/right.  then set the trajectory with yer bow hand.
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Post by: Blueridge on February 28, 2011, 01:56:00 PM
:biglaugh:
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Post by: Blueridge on February 28, 2011, 01:57:00 PM
That face was for Howards "big eye"
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Post by: Blueridge on February 28, 2011, 02:04:00 PM
maybe he did that to be able to shoot 90-100lbs for as long as he did? It sure did work for him though.
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Post by: pavan on February 28, 2011, 02:06:00 PM
Hey Mudd that couch cushion has the same pattern as ours did.  I offered to turn it into a target, but my wife insisted that we give the couch away to someone that needed it. It would have made a fine target.  If it worked for Hill, there is a strong possibility that the same form could work for someone else as well.  It did for me.  
99 pages
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Post by: Ben Maher on February 28, 2011, 03:15:00 PM
"aiming the arrow " as Rob puts it is sort of how I do it . a very quick way to get the arrow consistently where it needs to be ... as long as your bow hand is solid . I think of it is a sort of pre shot aiming combined at the shot " bore a hole through it " instinctive .

as for the dominant eye ... i grew up shooting right handed , killed a lot of animals as a youngster doing it that way until i began competing with sights . The guy at the pro shop giggled as i drew back my first new bow with sights on it ... "you can't close your right eye if shooting right handed " he giggled ...
I went home with a brand new useless bow, too embarrassed to tell him about both my lack of archery knowledge and my near completely blind right eye !
Been left eye dominant ever since !!! haha

Hills form is great !
 great pic by the way ... i have never seen that one before.
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Post by: far rider on February 28, 2011, 05:00:00 PM
Well, I sure have poor form, now if I could just start hittin' em like Howard I'd be set!
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Post by: on February 28, 2011, 06:00:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by sunset hill:
Great Photo!

Howard adapted his form to the equipment of the day, but more importantly, he adapted his form for the needs of a hunting archer...meaning he was very fluid and not 'locked out'.  This helped him make moving shots as well as stationary shots and all the trick shots inbetween.  He was not a static target archer in the sense of the term.  You can see photos of Larry Hughes and others at that time who have what is commonly termed today as target form.  

Howard also was left eye dominate, which blows away the concept that your dominate eye has to be over the arrow and lined up with the string.  This photo shows how large and intense his left eye would stare at the target.  Schulz commentated on this fact quite a bit.
Nate, interesting to read your take, especially to differentiate between a fluid (personal, adaptive) form and a highly tuned form for competition.  Makes perfect sense to me.

And that does not negate what Rob has taught me recently. Howard is "aiming the arrow" (Jim Ploen)which is apparently the foundational  principal for good shooting no matter what the flavor.
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Post by: on February 28, 2011, 06:19:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by far rider:
Well, I sure have poor form, now if I could just start hittin' em like Howard I'd be set!
Tim,
I just tried to figure out how to forward you the shooting form stuff Rob sent me via PM...I'm not smart enough...lol

I am sure he will be happy to shoot it to you.  He's been a great help to me these past few weeks..   :thumbsup:  

**********************
LongbowBen

Ben,
Will be looking for pics of your new bow!!  I think mine will be ready to ship tomorrow.
   :archer:    :jumper:
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Post by: Tique on February 28, 2011, 06:25:00 PM
Allllllmoooooooost 100 pages!!! Who would have thought that would ever happen?
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Post by: far rider on February 28, 2011, 07:24:00 PM
Hey Rob! Could you please send me the shooting form info you sent to Tony? Uh, please!
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 28, 2011, 07:34:00 PM
Jim Ploen's two part article on "Aiming the Arrow", taken from the Spring and Summer issues of Instinctive Archer Magazine.  Jim was a champion archer and avid bowhunter back in the 60's and 70's.  He was one of the first, if not the first to shoot a perfect 300 indoor round. Jim & Buddy teamed up to form the original 21st Century Longbows and their "ringer" Edge hybrid "D" longbow was cutting edge technology that won many tournaments around the world including the classic FITA Championships.

3.7 meg PDF file ...

 Aiming the Arrow (http://www.tradgang.com/pdf-files/aiming_the_arrow.pdf)
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Post by: OP-archer on February 28, 2011, 07:41:00 PM
Note the back muscles - WOW...
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Post by: 2treks on February 28, 2011, 07:42:00 PM
That pic is cool!
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Post by: far rider on February 28, 2011, 07:46:00 PM
Thanks Rob, appreciate it.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on February 28, 2011, 07:54:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by OPRick:
Note the back muscles - WOW...
severely pronounced deltoid/subscapularis.  far more more so due to his exaggerated forward lean into and down to the arrow.
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Post by: GMASIUK on February 28, 2011, 08:01:00 PM
That's a very cool picture of Howard. Thanks for sharing Tradlongbow!
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Post by: Nate Steen . on February 28, 2011, 08:23:00 PM
An interesting note:

Howard used a 'set-back' bow arm shoulder, meaning he brought it back into the shoulder joint to make it more solid.  This made for better handling of very heavy bows and less floating around of the shoulder joint.  Bob Wesley is very adamant in teaching this form also.  This set-back shoulder makes his scapula more pronounced.  Most fellas today kinda stretch out their bow arm shoulders as they push the bowarm towards the target.  

Also interesting....A local elderly friend bought some bows a few years back from Ed Hill's widow (yes he's the friend of Howard that was wrapped up in the python in "Tembo").  As this friend was talking to Ed's widow, he mentioned how he used to watch the old Hill movie shorts and commentated on Hills ease of shooting heavy bows.  Ed's widow commented that Howard had such extremely strong shoulders (in the deltoids) from pulling heavy bows for years, that as he got older, his musculature started collapsing his frame and bowed his shoulders towards his chest. She said he wasn't in any pain,  it was just a result of the muscles being stronger than his old bones could handle.  He shot a relaxed form and never 'stretched out' like a target shooter so the brunt of the bowweight was on the muscles of the deltoid and triceps....kinda like doing a one-armed push-up and stopping half-way up from the floor and holding yourself there....imagine that strength....
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Post by: on February 28, 2011, 08:31:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
 
Quote
Originally posted by OPRick:
Note the back muscles - WOW...
severely pronounced deltoid/subscapularis.  far more more so due to his exaggerated forward lean into and down to the arrow. [/b]
Almost looks as if he has a severe deformation in his upper back.  I see he does not lean at his waist but actually leans almost exclusively at/within his shoulders.  Seems to me to be very awkward..but it worked for him - his own personal style.  

I don't intend to emulate this posture however,  I learned here that my (our) form can be okay if we have the fundamentals down.  

Again, a tip of the Mudd Flap to Sir Rob!


Nate, you have amazing insight into the life of HH.  Not a fan are you   :saywhat:  


This thread has been most informative and inspirational!!
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Post by: SpankyNeal on February 28, 2011, 09:03:00 PM
This one is pretty good too! The man was definately STRONG!!

 (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/00small76850157.jpg)
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Post by: SpankyNeal on February 28, 2011, 09:04:00 PM
Oh Man, look at that 100 pages...amazing!
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Post by: Nate Steen . on February 28, 2011, 09:07:00 PM
I've been a fan for a long time and fortunate enough to meet or talk to certain people who gave me insight into certain aspects of his 'style' of longbows and shooting...plus alot of research....

Spanky, you dog....you were holding out for the top of page 100 award....lol.
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Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on February 28, 2011, 09:27:00 PM
2 weeks ago I went up to Sam Houston National Forest for the day to do some scouting.  Here is a spot that I found lots of deer trax so I took a pic of My Jerry Hill bow out in the Pines of Texas.
Saw some deer, but No hogs.. Should be up there again soon for a camping trip...
 (http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac239/mysticguido/111_2167.jpg)
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Post by: on February 28, 2011, 09:39:00 PM
Spanky, cool pic.  

Howard's bow limbs look like they taper into infinity...very thin looking!  Doesn't seem right - can this be?

I just copied and pasted both pics side-by-side.  His form exactly the same, even the cant of the bow - perfectly parallel.
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Post by: SpankyNeal on February 28, 2011, 09:44:00 PM
Hey Tony, A Hill bow is supposed to have narrow but deep tips. They are the same on a Schulz, or Sunset Hill bow, and just a tad wider on the HH's and Millers that i've had, but they worked just fine. Steve Turay's are very narrow as well.

You can really see the muscles in that pic. Some of the stories about Howards strength in Craig's book are simply amazing!

Hey Nate, you know me bud...always striving for the top - with a little push now and then!     :readit:  - here kitty kitty!     :biglaugh:          :biglaugh:
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Post by: on February 28, 2011, 09:53:00 PM
I know the limbs are normally thin and deep...these look razor sharp - maybe the pic has been touched-up.

Spanky...be careful buddy, don't burn him out!
I want to see my Sunset before I expire.     :saywhat:
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Post by: SpankyNeal on February 28, 2011, 09:58:00 PM
Not a chance Tony although he might be a little tired when he's finished!  :D   He has my list already, but it's not too long...only two on order now, and seven more after that...until I think of something else that is!    :goldtooth:  

White Dragons tips are just under 3/8" wide below the string grooves, and taper to much narrower above...very small!
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Post by: far rider on February 28, 2011, 10:10:00 PM
:clapper:
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Post by: gregg dudley on February 28, 2011, 10:59:00 PM
100 pages of this stuff!  Geez!

I had the HH bug one time, but I took a prescription strength black widow and got over it.

  :laughing:  

With a 100 pages, soeone probably made the same comment.........
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Post by: pavan on February 28, 2011, 11:12:00 PM
I like the above pic. Notice that from the set back shoulder to the elbow is pointed straight at the camera. While from the elbow to the bow remains offset and flexible.  This gave him flexibility plus power alignment to the stronger muscles of the back, this is perhaps why his shoulder joints held together so well.
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Post by: tradlongbow on March 01, 2011, 12:25:00 AM
Thanks Guys,

Like I said earlier, I have seen and owned a lot of books and pics of Hill, but this particular pic was the best that I have seen of Howards form closeup and the pic is clear.

Rob-
The articles that you posted from Ploem was always great stuff. I have those IA magazines at home. I hated to see IA stop printing, I thought it was the all time best magazine.


Gregg-
This Hill bug is not new to everyone, some of us have been shooting Hills for several decades. For me, I went from Hills to 21st Centuries with a Hill grip ofcourse, and I fell in love with the speed of the 21st Century. Then I went to a mild reflex/deflex bow with a Hill grip like Fred Anderson's HHC, Randy Denhel's Saxon, and Vince's Mohawk. Eventhough I enjoy shooting all of these bows, I find myself back to my first true love, the straight limbed American Longbow.

Darren
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Post by: Mudd on March 01, 2011, 08:56:00 AM
Shooting my Hill and hill style bows may not be as easy as shooting r/d or recurves but the satisfaction I get from it far outweighs any and all aspects I get from shooting anything else.

I've said it before and it's still the truth.

"It's more about how the bow makes me feel about myself than how I feel about the bow!"

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: canopyboy on March 01, 2011, 10:21:00 AM
Wow, 100 pages!
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Post by: canopyboy on March 01, 2011, 11:39:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Swamp Yankee:
How in the world did anyone shoot "correctly" before the days of online forums like this...
Good question....

Let me drink on it and maybe I'll get back to you.

  :dunno:
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 01, 2011, 11:49:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Swamp Yankee:
How in the world did anyone shoot "correctly" before the days of online forums like this...
by trial and error, by learning from a good coach or mentor ... or maybe not at all.  there are a lot of 'not at all' archers out there.  they're easy to spot, too.
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Post by: pavan on March 01, 2011, 12:02:00 PM
There were basic how to books back in the 50s and 60s, we all had them.  Our gang rented movies with Bear, Pearson, Hill and others.  We learned from reading stuff on paper and watching films and shooting with each other.  More and more people now days only are socially connected through their computer.
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Post by: SpankyNeal on March 01, 2011, 12:18:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by gregg dudley:
100 pages of this stuff!  Geez!

I had the HH bug one time, but I took a prescription strength black widow and got over it.

   :biglaugh:
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Post by: Blueridge on March 01, 2011, 12:26:00 PM
Widows are fine bows, have 3 of them, but there is something about these Hill bows. I don't shoot my widows much anymore since buying my first Hill.
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Post by: Owlmagnet on March 01, 2011, 01:08:00 PM
Same here, Blueridge.  I have a perfectly fine BW TF, and a couple ILF rigs.  Great bows, but my string follow Wesley is the bow I reach for, day in and day out.  Go figure.
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Post by: Wannabe1 on March 01, 2011, 01:56:00 PM
I've had numerous Widows, a few Morrisons, Palmers and I can't even name all the others custom bows I've owned. But, something about them just didn't reach out and grab me, if you know what I mean.

I am recently developing a real love affair with a Big 5 I picked up from Rob. The modified grip has just got me tickled pink! My shooting has improved with the new control I have with this bow.    :D
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Post by: Steve Clandinin on March 01, 2011, 02:30:00 PM
Quote:by trial and error, by learning from a good coach or mentor ... or maybe not at all. there are a lot of 'not at all' archers out there. they're easy to spot, too.

Sorry ,I just can't understand the meaning of this,probably just me.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 01, 2011, 02:31:00 PM
pertinent to tw's post above, i think one (of a few) major problems with hills are the (were the) handle shapes - that alone has turned off more than a few potential hill devotees.  the new craig handle shapes - particularly the new rounded locator - is a complete renovation masterpiece that now makes the hha longbow more than a viable second thought for all trad archers, it's a must-have.
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Post by: Ray_G on March 01, 2011, 03:03:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
pertinent to tw's post above, i think one (of a few) major problems with hills are the (were the) handle shapes - that alone has turned off more than a few potential hill devotees.  the new craig handle shapes - particularly the new rounded locator - is a complete renovation masterpiece that now makes the hha longbow more than a viable second thought for all trad archers, it's a must-have.
Rob,

Are you referring to HHA bows when you speak of the handle shape or all makes of the American Semi-Flat bow?

I have a "traditionally" shaped handle on my Sunset Hill and I find that the narrow, belly side of the handle to be a great benefit to consistent placement of the bow handle in my hand.  Imagine looking down from straight overhead, the riser is in the same position every time because I have that part in my crease and against my thumb base.  Without the riser in the same place, my shooting suffers - ask me how I know.  I must be getting that consistent placement because the suede grip is smooth where contact is happening every time.  The grip dimensions were shaped based on my hand size.

I don't find the "wedge" shape uncomfortable (brain dead?   :saywhat:  ) and am shooting a 58# @ 28" bow.  Now, I have only been shooting for four years but I disliked the index grip on previous R/D bows and have fallen in love with the straight grip.  I guess it is true what is said, "Try many, find what ya like and go huntin'!"

Ray
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Post by: Blueridge on March 01, 2011, 04:13:00 PM
I have two HH's with dished grips. I really like them. does the new locator grip cause you to not heel the bow as much like on the widow lb's. you can heel them or shoot them like a recurve. What is the difference in the feel between the dished and new locator on the Howard Hill?
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Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on March 01, 2011, 04:34:00 PM
Steve, I think Rob means that many archers haven't learned some form of correct technique, perhaps due to not shooting and studying enough.

I could never complain about my previous more narrow locator grip, and when I first got the new more rounded grip it felt quite different, but now it is really comfortable and familiar.
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Post by: pavan on March 01, 2011, 04:49:00 PM
I tried the new locator for a few shots and I have to say that i prefer my own, which is a stretched and slightly narrower copy from my 1956 70" bear kodiak. I like to get the bow deep into my hand and I adjust my grips so that the bow gets to that spot without thinking. On straight grips I have made mine to be biased to the bow hand, not symmetrical. I know it would be difficult to impossible for a bow company to make a bow handle as customized to the person as the individual can do for themselves.  If in doubt about the grip and fairly handy with a file and sandpaper? Get the large straight grip and make it the way you like it, or just get a blank and make the whole thing the way you like it. If you shoot with a bent bow arm the straight grip works good for those that heal the bow.
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Post by: Steve Clandinin on March 01, 2011, 07:32:00 PM
Ben,Your right.Shooting a Trad bow accurately is one heck of alot harder than most think.years ago we didn't have near the education as there is today or products for that matter.This site sure would have cut down alot of frustrating years for me,through determination and my true love of the bow I MADE myself shoot better.Strong,consistant form and hours and hours of shooting,there are no shortcuts here and there shouldn't be.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 01, 2011, 08:23:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Steve Clandinin:
Quote:by trial and error, by learning from a good coach or mentor ... or maybe not at all. there are a lot of 'not at all' archers out there. they're easy to spot, too.

Sorry ,I just can't understand the meaning of this,probably just me.
back way before the net and forums like trad gang, you learned archery by just doing it.  sure, you could read books and maybe get lucky and see a film, and if you were really lucky you could find a qualified coach, or perhaps a mentor who knew how to teach ... such as craig had with howard.  most just thought what they were doing was the right way cause it "worked", kinda sorta.  most were wrong in some or all ways.  

a good coach/mentor can help by having you and your physique mated properly with a proper bow and matched arrows, and use a form that works for you, not the coach or anyone else.

i see a fair number of archers at shooting events, old timers too, that still haven't a clue how to shoot.  their accuracy is so-so at best.  that's sad, because with the proper education, their archery endeavours could be so much more rewarding.  and that means better hunting.
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Post by: Joe Subler on March 01, 2011, 08:31:00 PM
Without giving my age away I can tell you that I was one of the younger guys at age 16 who joined a small town newly formed archery club back in 1965.  None of us had any formal archery education and we would shoot, examine and shoot again hoping we would learn something in the process.  Once every so often the town would show a hunting movie with Howard Hill, etc and we would all go together to see what we could learn.  Great fun but I ended up with a lot of really bad habits that I am trying to rectify to this day!

Joe
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Post by: on March 01, 2011, 08:52:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
pertinent to tw's post above, i think one (of a few) major problems with hills are the (were the) handle shapes - that alone has turned off more than a few potential hill devotees.....
I'd have to say this is THE main reason that, in 35 years, I never gave Hills a chance.  I hated the boxy grip, mostly because I would compare it to my Bear Mag or Browning curves.  It just felt way to uncomfortable.

I have yet to experience the new locator...lookin' forward to it.
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Post by: gregg dudley on March 01, 2011, 09:27:00 PM
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Originally posted by tradlongbow:
Thanks Guys,

Like I said earlier, I have seen and owned a lot of books and pics of Hill, but this particular pic was the best that I have seen of Howards form closeup and the pic is clear.

Rob-
The articles that you posted from Ploem was always great stuff. I have those IA magazines at home. I hated to see IA stop printing, I thought it was the all time best magazine.


Gregg-
This Hill bug is not new to everyone, some of us have been shooting Hills for several decades. For me, I went from Hills to 21st Centuries with a Hill grip ofcourse, and I fell in love with the speed of the 21st Century. Then I went to a mild reflex/deflex bow with a Hill grip like Fred Anderson's HHC, Randy Denhel's Saxon, and Vince's Mohawk. Eventhough I enjoy shooting all of these bows, I find myself back to my first true love, the straight limbed American Longbow.

Darren
Just having fun with you guys!  I know that y'all love 'em and they are surely classic beauties.
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Post by: far rider on March 01, 2011, 09:30:00 PM
I think I like my new to me Hill Half Breed!

 (http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac144/timwsmith/HalfBreedgrroup1.jpg)
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Post by: Blueridge on March 01, 2011, 09:52:00 PM
Looks like it agrees with you looking at that group
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Post by: Steve Clandinin on March 01, 2011, 10:08:00 PM
Rob,Your so right,I've seen the same.In recent years its fellas coming from Compounds wanting to try Longbows and Recurves.I've seen so many go back because of the frustration involved.Last year my nephew really wanted to try Trad.(He lives in British Columbia )I told him if he comes out to sask.I would give him one of my home made Recurves and teach him to shoot.He had no idea.When he left with his new bow and proper form engrained in his mind he was on cloud nine.Now thats the only thing he wants to do.He loves it.
Our town is filled with young bowhunters,most of their fathers I know usually end up in my Den,and all have sworn to Trad Archery its real enlightening for our future.
For many years I never hunted with my recurves as I felt in my heart I wasn't a good enough shot,my standards wouldn't allow it.I vowed to myself to get good,it was worth it.
Like you said Rob I think many would be suprised at how good they COULD be.
I just find it amazing how the true simplicity of the longbow has captivated men for so many centuries and here today its doing the same,hell 102 pages you'd think we were getting old and Senile !LOL
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Post by: Steve Clandinin on March 01, 2011, 10:22:00 PM
Far Rider,Exellent shooting.its what we strive for.If you just got that bow and your shooting like that,you will have a happy marriage !LOL
In the early eightys I had a HH Big 5 and I wasn't impressed with the way it shot and the grip'My new Red Cheetah is a whole differant story.The new Index grip is perfect and the workmanship is Flawless,as good as it gets,Kudus to HH and Craig.
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Post by: far rider on March 01, 2011, 11:50:00 PM
Steve, thanks! I just bought this bow from Stacy Sheppard. Have no idea why he wanted to sell it, but I'm very very happy with it. Gorgeous yew, bocate riser and smooth as butter!
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Post by: far rider on March 01, 2011, 11:52:00 PM
Oh Steve, was your Cheetah the one several pages back with the Yew cores?
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Post by: tradlongbow on March 02, 2011, 12:52:00 AM
Far rider-

Good group, and I love the yew on your Hill.


There are several issues with new shooters, and the reason they stay away from traditional in the beginning.

1) compounds are mainstream, it's whats advertised and on television.
2) the new shooter gets discourage when they loose arrows.
3) new shooters want instant gratifcation, without practice.
4) new shooters can't beleive that you can hunt with a tradbow.
5) most new shooters have a hardtime drawing a tradbow.

I see more guys leaving compounds coming over to trad then guys just starting with trad. The guy that leaves compounds and starts shooting trad really enjoys archery and wants to get away from all of those gadgets, wrenches, and adjustments that need to be made with compounds. Because they already understand the concept of archery, they fall in love with the simplicity of trad, and the beauty of the bow.

When I'm out shooting my longbow and someone see's my bow, they always are attracted to the different woods, and the bows natural beauty. And then there astounished on how well I shoot my bow. It's kinda funny when your around a bunch of compound shooters, and they say hit that mark over there, and before they have there arrow nocked and sighted in, I already either hit the target with my first arrow or definietly hit it with my second arrow before they where able to take a shot.

Compounds are a great way for compainies to make money because they are able to sell lots of new gadgets year after year, but I feel that compounds ruined the real sport of archery in America. The sport of archery that Saxton, Pope, Maurice and Will Thompson, Howard Hill, Fred Bear, Roy Huff wrote about, when they spent afternoons shooting on their lawns or in the garden.

Darren
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Post by: Steve Clandinin on March 02, 2011, 01:14:00 AM
Farrider,Thats the one,the Juniper skins are unbelievable,fantastic workmanship.
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Post by: far rider on March 02, 2011, 08:27:00 AM
I agree tradlongbow, it can be discouraging at first. I'm sure the guy I bought it from is a trad for life guy, just think he either needed to move it, or wanted to try something different.  I sure do like it though.
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Post by: LongbowGuy83 on March 02, 2011, 08:39:00 AM
When I see this post, the word ADDICTED comes to mind. Less then a month since the first post and already 1525 replies/comments. I am scared to even start reading them all. Might be dangerous to even start looking at those Hill bows. It appears that way anyway.   :archer:
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Post by: longbowben on March 02, 2011, 12:29:00 PM
Shes here.I will post pictures tomorrow.  :bigsmyl:
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Post by: on March 02, 2011, 05:46:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by longbowben:
Shes here.I will post pictures tomorrow.   :bigsmyl:  
Cool!
   :campfire:
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Post by: droz il on March 02, 2011, 08:44:00 PM
:thumbsup:
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Post by: leatherneck on March 02, 2011, 09:27:00 PM
Got  " Semper Fi" back  today! Been a long two weeks. Little glass issue but Craig/Jason took care of me. Looks good and shoots good. First two shots In the dark were right where they left off, in the bull! Man these bows shoot great!
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Post by: longbowben on March 03, 2011, 10:01:00 AM
Here are a couple of pictures of my new HH Wesley special, I had the handle reworked to the locator grip its sweet!!!! (http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj10/longbowben/DSC06831.jpg) (http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj10/longbowben/DSC06830.jpg)
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Post by: longbowben on March 03, 2011, 10:01:00 AM
(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj10/longbowben/DSC06832.jpg)
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Post by: Wannabe1 on March 03, 2011, 10:14:00 AM
Beautiful bow Ben! Congrats. I like how you left the bamboo to show as I'm personally one of those who likes to see the bamboo at least on one side.   :thumbsup:    :clapper:
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Post by: longbowben on March 03, 2011, 10:28:00 AM
Thanks ,been playing with arrows for 2 days she likes heaver the better.Right now im at 645gr.
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Post by: GMASIUK on March 03, 2011, 10:30:00 AM
Nice bow ben! Is that ebony or african blackwood?

Glen
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Post by: Mudd on March 03, 2011, 10:40:00 AM
Wow! Gorgeous bow!!

My 70" looks a lot like it and it saddens me to think I might have to let it go.

The marked draw weight is 58@31. I haven't let myself put it on the scale because I'm wanting my body to tell me what's right for it and not my scales.(If that makes sense.)

Thanks for sharing.

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: longbowben on March 03, 2011, 11:07:00 AM
Thanks all it has a ebony riser.And the 66" bow is sweet at 28 1/2 and using B-50 strings on both of them.Mudd thats a good one  :laughing:
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Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on March 03, 2011, 04:20:00 PM
Nice bow, Ben!
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Post by: Blueridge on March 03, 2011, 04:54:00 PM
Good looking bow Ben. have not used a bow quiver with mine yet, how does it affect things if at all?
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Post by: stik&string on March 03, 2011, 05:07:00 PM
Would someone do me a favor and buy that 90# Black Bear Craig has in stock right now!!! I don't think my wife could take 3 Hill bows purchased in the last month  :banghead:
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 03, 2011, 05:27:00 PM
90#?  um, no, i don't think so, but thank you.  :saywhat:   :D
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Post by: on March 03, 2011, 06:37:00 PM
Ben, that Wes is downright handsome!
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Post by: Ben Maher on March 03, 2011, 06:59:00 PM
90# ... Maybe if I cut it in half I could get two 45#ers ? lol

Nice going Ben ... I love 'boo under clear glass. glad you like the new grip . I 'll get one myself on my next order .
Speaking of which....
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 03, 2011, 07:01:00 PM
70" tembo blank just arrived in da house.  connexion hinge due to arrive next week.  let the games begin ...
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Post by: RC on March 03, 2011, 07:02:00 PM
90#s. I refuse to shot a bow heavier than most pigs I kill. ... RC
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Post by: pavan on March 03, 2011, 07:12:00 PM
I have had a number of the heavy weights, the truth is unless you have a herd of cape buffalo you need to thin out, there really is no need for that much pull.  Besides when you get older, you may regret all of the shooting you did with them when you were younger.
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Post by: far rider on March 03, 2011, 07:45:00 PM
Beautiful Wesley! 90#! .........9 0 # ??? Pass!, but good luck! My old shoulders ache just thinking about it. Pics when you break down and buy it would be appreciated though!
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Post by: on March 03, 2011, 07:59:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
70" tembo blank just arrived in da house.  connexion hinge due to arrive next week.  let the games begin ...
Games indeed!
   :coffee:
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Post by: Raging Water on March 03, 2011, 10:37:00 PM
90# Howard Hill Black Bear? What? Huh? How did I miss that on the site?

Where is that Piggy Bank when you need it?

Matt
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Post by: stik&string on March 03, 2011, 11:00:00 PM
Matt, I was hoping I would draw you out of the woodwork with that.  :laughing:  The Robin Hood I ordered pretty much emptied out my bow fund.

Really guys there have been some awesome bows displayed in this thread, keep them coming.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 04, 2011, 05:37:00 AM
tembo connexion td bow blank

i'll chronicle this project on the bowyer's forum, with links to updates over there posted here on the hill thread.  

awaiting the connexion hinge, here's the tembo blank, 70" ntn, 47# @ 29", coco riser, caramelized boo under clear glass, string follow.  i expected to leave the limb tips plain but noticing how narrow and thin they are i might just add limb tip caps.  

at a 6.4" brace height it's currently 54.3# @ 29" - this is as expected, since craig expects there could be lots of finish sanding that will reduce the poundage considerably.  i anticipated this and will not do that much limb sanding, and expect the completed target weight to be about 51#+ @ 29".  

i asked for the handle/riser to be left squared but craig did some initial rounding, which is a concern since the connexion hinge is 5/8" wide - the flat area on the riser's back center is 3/4" so i'm good to go.  

it is NOT recommended to recess the hinge into the glass back.  if recessing is required, the hinge is to be inlaid into a 3/32" or so thick strip of wood or micarta.  since the blank has been rounded at the handle section, there is no room to do that.  so, the hinge will hafta ride on the bare riser back, covered by either a roll-down rubber grip (easy and quick) or separate halves of a laced leather grip.

  (http://www.tradgang.com/rob/tembobb/tbb1.jpg)

  (http://www.tradgang.com/rob/tembobb/tbb2.jpg)

  (http://www.tradgang.com/rob/tembobb/tbb3.jpg)

  (http://www.tradgang.com/rob/tembobb/tbb4.jpg)

  (http://www.tradgang.com/rob/tembobb/tbb5.jpg)
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Post by: GMASIUK on March 04, 2011, 07:22:00 AM
Guy's, this is about to get really, really, good. Rob, I'll hold my breath while you cut it in half. You are a daring man!   :thumbsup:
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Post by: longbowben on March 04, 2011, 07:38:00 AM
This is going to get fun.Thanks for posting Rob  :clapper:
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Post by: Mudd on March 04, 2011, 08:09:00 AM
quote:
Originally posted by longbowben:
This is going to get fun.Thanks for posting Rob   :campfire:    :pray:
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Post by: Montauks on March 04, 2011, 10:13:00 AM
:thumbsup:    :notworthy:
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Post by: tradlongbow on March 04, 2011, 10:35:00 AM
I'm enjoying this.
  :campfire:  

Rob- For those of us who never built a bow or finished a bow blank could you take one pic of the tools that you plan on using?
Also, could the part of the hinge that the screws go through be placed on the bottom of the upper limb and on top of the bottom limb, this would be where the cut is made?

Darren
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 04, 2011, 11:21:00 AM
trad ganger dick wightman's site has great tutorials on installing the connexion hinge.  he's done it more than once and has paved the wave for easier installations by noting the pitfalls he encountered.  thank you, dick!!!
 
the basic installation concept is ...

cut/grind/sand a 7/8" 'groove' on the bow's back at the centerline.  this is where the hinge recesses and requires about 1/32" or so relief all around to allow the hinge male and female parts to best, er, mate.  this groove needs to be cleaned up and sealed before moving forward - i'll use multiple coats of thin cya.

the hinge is laid down in position, aligned, double stick taped down securely, marked and drilled (5/32") for the 6 hinge titanium screws.  the 5/32" holes are slightly chamfered, and the hinge is laid back on, and screwed down firmly.  the bow is still in one piece and the hinge is never ever removed (thanx dick!!), and would be best to glue in the screws with slow set epoxy.

there are any number of ways to cut the bow in half.  i think the safest is the way dick did it - clamped in a modified miter box and cut with a really good miter or japanese draw blade saw. a thin piece of metal, perhaps a piece of stainless from a feeler gauge, is rounded bent and forced between the riser and the rounded hinge.  tape around the riser completely before cutting, too.    

after the bow is cut in half, one or both riser cut surfaces will need to be thickened with micarta or thin leather to take up the space of the wood lost during the cutting.

as to whether the shelf and handle are shaped prior to the hinge installation, i'm unsure.  i know it's been done both ways.  need to think about that some more ... and query dick!

then on to the final sanding and finishing.

tooling - though it could be done with hand tools for the very most part (no electrics at all), cutting that 7/8" hinge groove will be something i'll tackle with a spindle sander, for accuracy.

looking forward to whacking me a tembo in half.  like the houdini saw-the-lady-in-half trick, i hope mine will go back together again like brandy new.     :D
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Post by: stik&string on March 04, 2011, 11:32:00 AM
Rob Thanks for taking us along on this process. I can't wait!
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Post by: Mohawkbows on March 04, 2011, 12:10:00 PM
Rob,

I use a standard crosscut handsaw that will leave a fifty thou void, a piece of glass on the bottom and automotive cork gasket on the top epoxied into place, if you need any of that stuff let me know and I will send some out. I also wait till the hinge is in place to cut the shelf in but it probably doesn't matter. The first one you cut in half will get the heart rate up a tad!
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Post by: longbowben on March 04, 2011, 12:23:00 PM
Yes my heart rate is up just talking about cutting a bow in half.  :scared:
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Post by: Wannabe1 on March 04, 2011, 02:11:00 PM
As some of you may know, Tony Van Dort, is out of country 'til June of this year. Well, he had Craig build him an excellent bow and sent it to me to hold 'til his return home. I have taken care to do some photos and post them here.

Tony has ok'd me to shoot the bow but, I think that is taboo. A man should be the first to shoot his own bow that he had made to his specs!    :wavey:
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Post by: Wannabe1 on March 04, 2011, 02:12:00 PM
(http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/TradNut/101_0406.jpg)
 (http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/TradNut/101_0407.jpg)
 (http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/TradNut/101_0408.jpg)
 (http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/TradNut/101_0410.jpg)

I'll let Tony give the specs.
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Post by: Mudd on March 04, 2011, 02:33:00 PM
Awesome! Nice bow and I think it's great that it'll be waiting for Tony as soon as he arrives.

It's good of you to be willing to babysit it until Tony gets home.

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on March 04, 2011, 03:47:00 PM
Pg 105 and Pix, how Kool is that???? Way Kool...
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Post by: pavan on March 04, 2011, 04:31:00 PM
That grip looks very good, Tony will like it.
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Post by: David Mitchell on March 04, 2011, 04:55:00 PM
Tony'll love that one for sure.  Wannabe1, you have very strong self control if you can keep from shooting just one lil' ol' arrow through it.   ;)  But, I do agree whole heartedly that Tony should be the first to do so....Dave
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Post by: Wannabe1 on March 04, 2011, 05:17:00 PM
Nah, self control not needed. Got my own toys to shoot and occupy my bow fetish!   :D
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Post by: Montauks on March 04, 2011, 06:26:00 PM
Captain,   :archer:   great tutorial on the connexion hinge!
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Post by: Oliverstacy on March 04, 2011, 06:33:00 PM
There is a Tembo in the Stock bow page I'm interested in...how will this feel/differ compared to a Wesley Special?

thanks,

Josh
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 04, 2011, 06:43:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Oliverstacy:
There is a Tembo in the Stock bow page I'm interested in...how will this feel/differ compared to a Wesley Special?

thanks,

Josh
imho, there's little or no difference 'tween the bamboo cored models in terms of the model itself, meaning the number of core lams.  what will matter is the length, holding weight and limbset.  that 70", 54@28 will probably scale out at 56-57@28.  personally, i'd never go under 70" for a hill-style at between 28-29" draw.  

also, the $25 you save on the stock model is piddling - best order what you want as the expectation is the bow will be in yer ascham for decades, right?  hah! however, the current 4-6 week new bow build wait might be the thing that'll make ya call up jason.   :)
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Post by: Oliverstacy on March 04, 2011, 06:51:00 PM
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
 
Quote
Originally posted by Oliverstacy:
There is a Tembo in the Stock bow page I'm interested in...how will this feel/differ compared to a Wesley Special?

thanks,

Josh
imho, there's little or no difference 'tween the bamboo cored models in terms of the model itself, meaning the number of core lams.  what will matter is the length, holding weight and limbset.  that 70", 54@28 will probably scale out at 56-57@28.  personally, i'd never go under 70" for a hill-style at between 28-29" draw.  

also, the $25 you save on the stock model is piddling - best order what you want as the expectation is the bow will be in yer ascham for decades, right?  hah! however, the current 4-6 week new bow build wait might be the thing that'll make ya call up jason.    :)  [/b]
I might just see how the project you have going turns out and send you a bow blank and a hinge along with some $$!!!    :goldtooth:  

Josh
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: pavan on March 04, 2011, 07:38:00 PM
Sometimes those bows that come under the ordered draw weight are better than average, because once the weight is missed there is nothing left to do with it other than tiller perfectly.  A little hint I got from their former bow builder forty years ago.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on March 04, 2011, 07:46:00 PM
Saweeet bow! Tony has winner there.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: primitivealltheway on March 04, 2011, 07:47:00 PM
yep all this talk ,im ordering me one ,tried calling him a little while ago,but he must have closed.so i figured this out ,i have a 28" draw going for a 68" 53-56 lb ,wesley special with GABOON EBONY riser and deer overlay...or a CHEETAH with SNAKEWOOD riser and snake wood and ivory tips ,i think that would look pretty good along with the juniper limbs...i need help!!!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Greg Skinner on March 04, 2011, 07:48:00 PM
When I did my Cheetah blank a few years ago I cut in the shelf and did most of the finishing and shaping before installing the hinge. I used a round file and a drum sander on my drill press for the half-moon depression in the handle and tacked the hinge in place with a couple small drops of ca glue while drilling the pilot holes.  I put a couple of drops of epoxy in the holes before I screwed in the screws and that was it.  I never took off the hinge after attaching with the ca glue.  Just get it lined up right to begin with.

 After I installed the hinge I shot it some to be sure everything worked the way it was supposed to before I cut it in two.  That way I was able to make little adjustments to the grip to compensate for the thickness of the hinge on the back.  I also added strips of overlay wood on the back in the handle area to lessen the abruptness of the hinge resting on the fiberglass.

Once I was satisfied with the way it shot I cut it in half and did the finishing.  I used a miter box and back saw. At that point the actual cutting in half was almost anti-climactic, because I knew all I needed was a straight cut.  I used a couple of pieces of thin plastic to fill the kerf gap.  You have to experiment some depending on the width of the saw blade.  A how-to that I read at the time said to use enough thickness so that there is a fraction of an inch of wedge shaped gap when the hinge is joined but before it is strung.  The stringing pulls it together and moves the pressure forward rather than rearward.

At the time I did this I also owned a Liberty bow with the Connexion Hinge TD feature, so I had some idea how it was supposed to come out.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 04, 2011, 08:31:00 PM
i think while the riser is reasonably squared up i'll spindle sand in the hinge "notch" groove first, see that the hinge fits well, but won't install.  then cut/file/sand the shelf and handle, get all that bull work done to about 220 grit.  then finish/seal the notch groove and install the hinge permanently right on the back glass and into the cocobolo riser.  then move on to the miter box and saw.  i'm not gonna rush this at all, but it'd be neat if it happens to complete before the april hog hunt fly out.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 04, 2011, 08:45:00 PM
Good morning gents.

Uncle TW...Thanks a bunch for lookin' after the baby.  I really think you should shoot it.  Actually, it would be nice to get a "feel" for how it shoots...and what it likes to eat...and you know he needs exercise!

Macatawa is a Half Breed with the yew lams sandwiched between the candy boo.  Wasn't sure how that would turn out but I like it!   I wanted a somewhat darker bow for hunting and this one is certainly that.

Per Craig, it came in exactly as I ordered it at 69"- 57#@29" string follow.   Also, I have huge hands and it looks like Craig did a great job to accommodate - will know for sure in a couple months.

Thanks again TW!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 04, 2011, 08:47:00 PM
looks like a real nice one, tony - congrats!  now if it was a t/d, you'd have it in yer hands within a week or less.  :)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on March 04, 2011, 08:50:00 PM
Tony, Craig did accommodate for your hands. The handle section of the riser is larger than normal and I could tell right away as I am the opposite, with small hands.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Blake Dustin Adams on March 04, 2011, 08:51:00 PM
Where you at that you can't get it Tony?  If you are in Germany I might be able to set up something for you to be able to shoot.

The great thing about being stationed over here is that we still get US shipping since we have a NY zip code.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 04, 2011, 09:05:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
looks like a real nice one, tony - congrats!  now if it was a t/d, you'd have it in yer hands within a week or less.   :)  
Yeah I know Rob...already making plans for a T/D   Gotta sit in your class for a while tho...   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 04, 2011, 09:11:00 PM
TW...do you think you can shoot it? Dying to know his personality...Also can you show us a pic or two of it strung and ready for action??  Talk about torture!

**********


Blake,
I'm in China - a long haul from Germany. NY zip - I'll bet that is handy!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Blake Dustin Adams on March 04, 2011, 09:20:00 PM
Ahh, I thought somebody had written that you were here in Europe.

That zip code is a life saver.  Only problem is that it takes about a week to two extra to get anything.  But the shipping prices are much lower and I don't have to pay customs.  I'd give a hand to just about any of the German Trad-gangers since they are the ones who can hook me up with the best shoots and sometimes fishing too.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on March 04, 2011, 09:25:00 PM
Tony, right now I don't have any arrows spined for this weight. Here are a couple of strung profiles. Sorry, not the best picture taker.   :D

 (http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/TradNut/101_0413.jpg)
 (http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/TradNut/101_0415.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 04, 2011, 09:41:00 PM
TW,
You are da man!

I was thinking you pulled about 55# or so.  
I asked Craig to cut the riser close to center (within 1/8") but the pic shows it a bit heavier...difficult to know for sure.  

I left the limb tips up to him...looks like he chose cocobolo.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on March 04, 2011, 09:44:00 PM
I'm not an expert but, I don't think he cut it within 1/8" of center. Looks like the normal shelf cut to me.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 04, 2011, 09:54:00 PM
He'll take a floppy arrow I guess.  No matter! I like it...Thanks again TW.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Oliverstacy on March 04, 2011, 10:47:00 PM
Mudd's not helping my situation!!!   :knothead:  

Josh
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on March 04, 2011, 11:02:00 PM
:bigsmyl:     :wavey:    :wavey:  

 :campfire:    :archer:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on March 05, 2011, 06:58:00 AM
Josh, listen to Rob regarding the weight thing--every bow Craig has built for me scales out 3-4# heavier than marked (ordered) weight.....not a criticism, just sayin'.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Joe Subler on March 05, 2011, 07:06:00 AM
Well, I came home last night and there was a note in the mailbox saying I have a package to pick up.  Hopefully it is the 68 inch Hill I bought from Rob!!  Will be heading to the post office in a bit to find out.

Joe
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 05, 2011, 07:33:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by David Mitchell:
Josh, listen to Rob regarding the weight thing--every bow Craig has built for me scales out 3-4# heavier than marked (ordered) weight.....not a criticism, just sayin'.
Yes, I heard that consistently so I ordered 57# to keep me near or under 60# at 29".
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Joe Subler on March 05, 2011, 08:34:00 PM
I went to the post office today and picked up the bow I got from Rob - Beautiful bow.  68 inches marked 50 @ 28 but Rob said his scales show 51.2 # @ 28.  Nothing but rain today so have not been able to get it outside to shoot yet but, hopefully, will get some time outside with it next week!!

Joe
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Cookus on March 05, 2011, 08:36:00 PM
We're waiting on pictures Joe!   :campfire:    :coffee:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on March 05, 2011, 10:55:00 PM
Just scaled my bow it says 58@28 and scaled 59.3 average.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on March 05, 2011, 11:08:00 PM
Yes,mine scaled 3#'s heavier. I ordered it 54@27 and my Easton says 57. I actually like the extra weight so I'm not complaining.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: canopyboy on March 07, 2011, 04:20:00 PM
Bump.

Wow, this fell to the third page, and a new Hill thread was started.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on March 07, 2011, 11:53:00 PM
Well, did a little trading today, another Hill on the way. Pics to follow.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 08, 2011, 01:29:00 AM
OK Tim!
I was wondering what you got.  Waiting to see..

   :coffee:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on March 08, 2011, 07:47:00 AM
I wonder how much domestic grief this thread is causing with guys coming down with "the bug" and ordering bows?   :rolleyes:    :D
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Buckhorn47 on March 08, 2011, 08:07:00 AM
Wading in, guys and gals for a "peek". Have been offsite for awhile and lo and behold come back on to see page after page of HH magic. Being a fan but lazy, I have not gone through each entry in this thread and my query may already have been answered. I have owned a Wesley Special and currently have a Big Five. I also shoot a HH style bow of an older design made by Rocky Mountain Longbow company. I love the round full grip on this latter bow. Are any of you familiar with bows made by Craig that have a more round or full grip instead of the trapezoid or narrow grip which is common on a HH.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 08, 2011, 08:10:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Buckhorn47:
... I love the round full grip on this latter bow. Are any of you familiar with bows made by Craig that have a more round or full grip instead of the trapezoid or narrow grip which is common on a HH.
unless you specify otherwise, all new craig hills sport rounded grips - no more of that wedge/teardrop grip.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Berube on March 08, 2011, 08:35:00 AM
Have one and you will fall in love with it
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Buckhorn47 on March 08, 2011, 10:18:00 AM
Thanks a lot, you guys! Looks like I may have to purchase another HILL!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: bayoulongbowman on March 08, 2011, 10:22:00 AM
Welcome to the club!!!!!!! Marco :)LONG BOWS RULE!!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on March 08, 2011, 11:19:00 AM
Tony just ordered one with a more full grip for his larger hands, he'd be the guy to ask.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: pavan on March 08, 2011, 12:22:00 PM
How many of you guys that have multiple Hills or Hill style bows find that you mostly shoot one over all the others, and why?  My son has been raving about a Northern Mist whisper he shot when the expo came to his town. He is afraid that all his other bows will go unused if he gets one.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on March 08, 2011, 12:29:00 PM
They're kind of like pets. You love them all but, one has a special place in your eye. Mine currently is a Big5 I got from Rob. It is a real sweet shooter, and I find that I grab it when I want to fling a few.

The others will not get neglected, just not shot as much.   :D
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on March 08, 2011, 12:32:00 PM
I shoot all my bows--won't post how many that is!  :rolleyes:  If I have a bow that for some reason I find I just don't want to shoot it goes down the road so I have bow money to put in another one.  The eleventh commandment says that bow money has to go back into another bow, do you guys know that???  :readit:  Would I lie to you??  "[dntthnk]"
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on March 08, 2011, 12:42:00 PM
I shoot all of them, but as mentioned above, you will eventually gravitate to one that behaves the sweetest to your style, as in weight, tiller, grip. Being a mostly handmade product means they all vary, even if it is slight. That will show up at some point as a match or mismatch to you. Just an opinion!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Buckhorn47 on March 08, 2011, 01:20:00 PM
Tony, are you there? Could use some advice, please.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 08, 2011, 02:30:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Buckhorn47:
Tony, are you there? Could use some advice, please.
Yeah Frank, I'd be happy to help you if I can.
Just sent you a PM
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Buckhorn47 on March 08, 2011, 05:38:00 PM
Thanks, Tony.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on March 08, 2011, 06:02:00 PM
Don't you just love how some bowyers like to keep you on the edge anticipating your new bow!  :banghead:  

Got a call from Nate last night to say that "El Tigre" was in final sanding, and then an email today saying that the first coat of varnish was done. He also mentioned that he shot three arrows from the bow and all were dead center of the target. He went on to say how beautifully it's turning out, what a sweetheart it is to shoot, and that he thought it was the fastest bow of this type that he has built to date!

Gotta be the perfect example of a love/hate relationship!   :biglaugh:    :biglaugh:  

Hope to have some pics and a report next week when it arrives!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: 3Under on March 08, 2011, 06:27:00 PM
Spanky,
You've probably already posted the spec's on the "El Tigre" but to save some of us the time of looking thru 108 pages, please repeat them for us lazy people! 'Would appreciate it!!

The Old Guy
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on March 08, 2011, 07:14:00 PM
Larry, this is one of Nate's new bows that has glass only on the back, and just the tempered bamboo on the belly. It is 65" in length and came in at 56@27, brown glass back with the caramelized boo on the belly, and a Myrtle riser with my favorite straight teardrop grip. I know some folks don't like that style grip, but I have found it to be very repeatable, and torque free when sized properly.

Nate built this one to replace my beloved Pete George "White Mountain" that I had to sell last year so it's very special. This style of bow to me, gives all the sweet characteristics of the split bamboo bows, like the Schulz Naturals, but with the added protection, strength, cast, and string follow control over time provided by the glass back. Some will disagree, but I think it's the best of both worlds!   :thumbsup:

Here's the link to my original post on the Pete George bow so you can get an idea of what they look like.  http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=059883
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Davesea on March 08, 2011, 08:18:00 PM
Awesome photo, Thanks for shareing
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 08, 2011, 08:27:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by SpankyNeal:
Don't you just love how some bowyers like to keep you on the edge anticipating your new bow!   :help:   (JK)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on March 08, 2011, 08:42:00 PM
Hey Tony, when you find a good thing you stick with it! Don't worry though bud, I'll save a spot or two for ya...I can only afford so many!  :goldtooth:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 08, 2011, 08:52:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by SpankyNeal:
Hey Tony, when you find a good thing you stick with it! Don't worry though bud, I'll save a spot or two for ya...I can only afford so many!    :saywhat:    

    :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Buckhorn47 on March 08, 2011, 11:37:00 PM
Just took a peek at your bow, Tony. Looks great.Thanks, again
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on March 09, 2011, 09:49:00 AM
Yep Tony....Hey Craig! Give me one more shot, how about a top shelf Redman?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: 3Under on March 09, 2011, 02:17:00 PM
Thanks Spanky, for posting the spec's and the photo of the Bob Burton bow. I came close to ordering a bow from Nate  in '06 since my son lives in Idaho. I was too impatient to wait so I ordered a Shelton in '06. Sunset Hill is on my "Wish List" probably at the top of the list now thanks to-you no less!!
Larry
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: GRS on March 09, 2011, 05:57:00 PM
OK   it's your fault and yours, and yours, and so forth!!!! All of these posts pushed me over the edge. Thanks to you guys I was forced to buy a HH Big Five from far rider just so I wouldn't feel too left out. Now maybe I can sleep at night! Thanks Tim, I enjoyed meeting and shooting with you. Also, you were great to deal with. Now on to learning to shoot it.  Gerald
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on March 09, 2011, 06:21:00 PM
:archer:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on March 09, 2011, 06:31:00 PM
GRS, Oh no you won't....you'll just begin thinking about what the next Hill will be. Don't ask how I know??  ;)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on March 10, 2011, 01:03:00 AM
Welcome Gerald. Looking forward to shooting with you again.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on March 10, 2011, 04:22:00 AM
At the end of another long, tricky day at the world's best job, I reached for my Redman and the quiver-full of blunts atop my filing cabinet, and wandered out onto the oval with my battered old plastic milk bottle. Starting close, like twelve metres, I proceeded to shoot one arrow before walking back to twenty metres, then thirty, and then forty (or thereabouts). The milk bottle either got smashed again each shot, or was severely frightened. Then the rain came down again (monsoon season), and it brought a big grin to my mug to be out there just being a boy with a bow, getting soaking wet, and seeing how my arrows fly with wet feathers (no worries!). It was an absolute joy to be shooting, and hopefully when things dry-up a bit, a little pig will find himself or herself in some trouble. As you blokes know, I have a few really nice, fine, expensive bows, and they are fast and deadly and fun and magical; but the simple Hill longbow just has a bit more magic, to my thinking.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 10, 2011, 04:40:00 AM
Yeah brother Ben...

"it brought a big grin to my mug to be out there just being a boy with a bow"

That's all I'll ever be...just a boy with a bow..
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on March 10, 2011, 05:16:00 AM
Northern Ben ,
I'm looking forward to the day we see the Redman , yourself and a hog snapped in a fine photo . So til the rain eases and the 'wet ' heads off for another year I'm glad you experience the same joy I do from flinging woodies with a straight stick .
Very cool mate ... thanks for sharing.
Southern B
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: RC on March 10, 2011, 11:42:00 AM
Ben and Ben, I look forward to some pics of you fellers out and about with the longbows.RC
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on March 10, 2011, 12:33:00 PM
I parted with my "Robin Hood Special" this morning but thanks to a friend I will be easing it's loss with an "old friend" of mine in the form of my old Redman 70" and 48@31&1/2".

I'm looking forward to it's arrival.

I didn't allow myself to even fling one last arrow out of the "Robin Hood" when it's new owner was taking it for a test flight this morning.

I won't tell where it went but I will say it has a good new home where it will be valued for what it is and I will miss it but may have some chances to shoot it again down the road.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: RC on March 10, 2011, 02:32:00 PM
Hate to see you part with the RobinHood bow Mudd. But I`m sure you won`t go lacking.I`ve never shot a Redman but I bet its sweet.RC
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on March 10, 2011, 04:06:00 PM
I am "The Quintessential" "bowaholic" !!!!!!!

Howard Hill bows are my trigger bows and at the moment a "Halfbreed" has an enormous hold on my imagination.

I'm struggling...... I know that eventually I'll break down but right now I need to be strong.

God bless,Mudd

PS: Thanks RC. I sure look forward to the day I can shake you hand and share a campfire with you.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: pavan on March 10, 2011, 05:16:00 PM
It is a nice day here today, I strung ten longbows and went out and shot a quiver load from each bow.  I don't need any more bows than I can carry out to the back at one time, at least I no longer have two of everything. Mudd, neither do you, but I know just saying that will make the urge even stronger.  I have a beautiful half breed I made from a blank. There are no knots, it is almost maroon, with a cocobolo riser.  It is so smooth and fast that it has become my favorite right hand bow, but I need to be careful to not shoot very many right handers because of my finger problems, it is getting a little better.  I hope you will enjoy your future Halfbreed and I hope you shoot more than just a few arrows out of it before you trade it off. I need a reverse handled yew longbow, I know I do, I can feel it coming. Maybe i should get two and keep the one i like the best.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 10, 2011, 06:49:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Mudd:
PS: Thanks RC. I sure look forward to the day I can shake you hand and share a campfire with you. [/QB]
I hold the same sentiment here.  Within this thread I have met some great men and find myself daydreaming about road trips to do that very thing Mudd!  

You're a great bunch for sure.    :thumbsup:      :thumbsup:
**************

Pavan said: "I need a reverse handled yew longbow, I know I do, I can feel it coming. "

HA!  I've been thinking the same here..an all yew or Half Breed reverse handled string follow.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on March 10, 2011, 07:34:00 PM
You guys looking for the reverse handled bows need to remember that you may have to shorten them up about 2" to keep the performance of your standard bow. Make sure you talk to your bowyer first, and not just order the same length as your others - my experience!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: pavan on March 10, 2011, 07:39:00 PM
Two inches shorter and make them as lean and mean as possible, the reverse handle takes care of the any stability issues.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 10, 2011, 07:41:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SpankyNeal:
You guys looking for the reverse handled bows need to remember that you may have to shorten them up about 2" to keep the performance of your standard bow. Make sure you talk to your bowyer first, and not just order the same length as your others - my experience!
Good point Ken,  seems the power stroke is effectively 2" shorter so do we need to compensate with a change in draw wt?  I think we would/could  be shooting shorter arrows
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Boreal Boy on March 10, 2011, 07:56:00 PM
I too have been bitten by the highly contagious HH bug! however, i am having trouble finding a used 68” 50#.
I have talked to Craig and he gave me some price quotes on “the one” although, not yet owning or shooting a Hill there are a few things i am not sure about, one being weight. so i figure I would try to find a used 68” 50# shoot it until the cows come home, learn what i like and anything i might change then get on the horn with Craig and put an order in for “the one”.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on March 10, 2011, 08:04:00 PM
Scott, I don't have anymore in that weight to pass along but, wish I did. I'm sure someone out there might have one for you. I'll keep a look out if anything comes up. Good luck in your search.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on March 10, 2011, 08:06:00 PM
Your arrows will be the same length, but yes the power stroke is changed somewhat as the limbs are closer to your wrist. As long as you shorten the bow accordingly you ahould be able to maintain the same draw weight and get comperable performance.

Scott, you might check with some of our sponsors to see if they have any in stock that might meet your needs as well.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 10, 2011, 08:11:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SpankyNeal:
Your arrows will be the same length......
LOL!  Yeah I can see that.  Hah!   :knothead:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Overspined on March 10, 2011, 09:09:00 PM
Hill archery surprised me a couple months ago.  I have a couple custom Hill bows and ordered a Redman.  I ordered 45# and 68".  I asked for the standard adult grip because I am a whimp and didn't want another bow over 50#..lol. When it showed up, the grip was a different "standard"!!! I love the teardrop shaped grip on the previous "standard" straight grip bow I received from him and now...NO Teardrop. Kind of just an oval.  I still can shoot it and like it, but I found that the teardrop really fits perfect every time without thought.  The new standard grip doesn't have that same feel.  I still shoot it well and don't hate it, but I was disappointed that they didn't tell me that they changed the grips.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on March 10, 2011, 09:26:00 PM
Matt, Craig might be able to reshape it for you without too much trouble.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Nate Steen . on March 10, 2011, 09:30:00 PM
Overspined,

you're right about the racetrack oval grip now popular....you can grip it a little off-center, and the round belly feels the same, kinda like gripping a pipe....  with a teardrop grip, the narrower belly side of the grip gives a more positive feel as the grip settles along your palm lifeline.  Not the old hatchet head style handles,  just a nice teardrop...  IMO the only way to go...lol.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on March 10, 2011, 09:33:00 PM
Craig reworked my Redman to give it the teardrop shape which I too really like.  It came too round for my liking.  Now I make sure to discuss in detail just how I want the grip, how deep, total circumference, etc. It seems there is far more variance possible in longbow grips than recurves.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Overspined on March 10, 2011, 09:40:00 PM
I love my Hills, but I am now waiting for the bow I bought from Rob, his spot waiting for a Miller longbow.

The catch, I changed the order to a split bamboo longbow instead of the Old Tom.

I don't know if anyone has seen/shot these but they are a work of art, and I am looking forward to shooting and displaying it. It is like having a little piece of history without buying a schultz for $1000

oh, the anticipation!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 10, 2011, 10:19:00 PM
to each their own.  i hate the teardrop wedge, love the new rounded grip.  

now we all know what grip to ask craig to shape for our next order ....  :thumbsup:   :D
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on March 10, 2011, 10:32:00 PM
Is that a "No" to the order on the Miller Mr Rob ?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 10, 2011, 10:32:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Overspined:
I love my Hills, but I am now waiting for the bow I bought from Rob, his spot waiting for a Miller longbow.

The catch, I changed the order to a split bamboo longbow instead of the Old Tom.

I don't know if anyone has seen/shot these but they are a work of art, and I am looking forward to shooting and displaying it. It is like having a little piece of history without buying a schultz for $1000

oh, the anticipation!
********************
Overspined,
I am eager to see it and hear from you about your experience.  I pondered that one for a bit.

But, aside from my HH Half Breed, I now have a Cumberland on order and will hold off on all other purchases in my wait for a Sunset Hill.  Those three ladies will undoubtedly give me a ton of pleasure.    :D
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on March 10, 2011, 10:38:00 PM
I sure wish I had been in the position to have taken advantage of the sale when Rob's bow was up.

I don't mean to say I'm jealous but man! what a sweet looking bow....lol

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Overspined on March 11, 2011, 01:51:00 AM
Tony, sounds like you saw them in Kalamazoo too...pretty cool. I was happy with the Old Tom, but just asked Miller and he said no problem as he hadn't made anything yet. I had to add $ to make up the difference, but I decided that I had enough straight up Hills..for now..and decided that it would be cool to try a more primitive Hill style bow on for size.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 11, 2011, 03:30:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Overspined:
Tony, sounds like you saw them in Kalamazoo too...pretty cool. I was happy with the Old Tom, but just asked Miller and he said no problem as he hadn't made anything yet. I had to add $ to make up the difference, but I decided that I had enough straight up Hills..for now..and decided that it would be cool to try a more primitive Hill style bow on for size.
No...I'm in China, missed that wonderful annual event.  
And, Yeah!...very cool!
    :thumbsup:    

What part of MI are you from?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 11, 2011, 06:11:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Ben Maher:
Is that a "No" to the order on the Miller Mr Rob ?
yes, that was a no.  :)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: canopyboy on March 11, 2011, 07:33:00 AM
Wow, I walk away for a day and come back to find Mudd has sold his beloved Robin Hood?  Is the world ending?  Wasn't it just at the beginning of this short and sweet thread that he was receiving it and taking his first shots with such excitement.

What the heck happened?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on March 11, 2011, 09:34:00 AM
"Stuff"

"Nuff said!"

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: OP-archer on March 11, 2011, 10:03:00 AM
Being an informed buyer will ensure that you get the product you want.  It has been my experience that bowyers want to spend time answering your questions to ensure that you absolutely love their final product.  A totally satisified customer is the bowyers ultimate endorsement.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on March 11, 2011, 12:14:00 PM
Bowyers like Craig and Jason are wonderful to deal with and their workmanship is above reproach.

Both have always been more than willing to answer any and all questions.

They could most likely spend more time building if folks like me wouldn't call so often...lol

They never seem to mind and go out of their way for their customers.

Kudo's to them...

God bless,Mudd

PS: This isn't a paid endorsement for Howard Hill Archery but I know it can't or shouldn't hurt them in any way...lol
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on March 11, 2011, 04:44:00 PM
X2 about Craig Mudd.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on March 11, 2011, 04:52:00 PM
Of all the active Hill style bowyers out there, I don't think there is a bad one in the bunch. All of them are more than willing to make sure you are happy with your bow.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on March 11, 2011, 05:30:00 PM
You know, really, I don't think I've heard too many complaints about any of the bowyers. I know there were a few guys that got way behind on orders before and garnished a few kicks, but overall, they seem to be good guys. All of them I've ever had dealings with are anyway.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on March 11, 2011, 08:23:00 PM
Postman brought me a long box today!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: GRS on March 11, 2011, 08:29:00 PM
far rider,
Does that mean you are through with the Cheeta? Haha!

Gerald
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on March 11, 2011, 09:03:00 PM
Hey Gerald,
The one you shot that you liked so much was my Half Breed, Yew lams over bamboo cores. The Cheetah was the only 70" you shot, with the juniper lams.
I just don't think I can part with my Half Breed right now, I really, really like it.   :archer:  
This is the Wesley I traded for the other day. I'll post a few pics later.
Still hoping to make it to the shoot tomorrow, you gonna show off that Big 5?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: GRS on March 11, 2011, 09:09:00 PM
Oh yea,

You know what I'm gonna shoot tomorrow! I've been practicing! At 10 yds. I can keep them all on the bag!  :laughing:  
Gerald
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: EASTERNARCHER on March 12, 2011, 08:18:00 AM
Hi folks. I've been following this thread and I don't think I've ever seen one go this long  - ever! Very Cool!!

I can't say I'm ready to order a new one....I've come close but I can't justify it right now.

I guess the other thing is I can't decide which model to chose. Is there any real difference in how the different models shoot?
I don't see clear glass in my Hill catalog, but I guess I'd have to ask for the option huh.

Kinda thinking on either a Redman or Halfbreed.
Any comments?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 12, 2011, 08:36:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by EASTERNARCHER:
Hi folks. I've been following this thread and I don't think I've ever seen one go this long  - ever! Very Cool!!

I can't say I'm ready to order a new one....I've come close but I can't justify it right now.

I guess the other thing is I can't decide which model to chose. Is there any real difference in how the different models shoot?
I don't see clear glass in my Hill catalog, but I guess I'd have to ask for the option huh.

Kinda thinking on either a Redman or Halfbreed.
Any comments?
hill style american flatbows are quite different from any other wood/glass hybrid or recurve bow, mostly in terms of draw length versus bow length, and how the bow reacts on release.  other than that, opinions vary wildly as to which hill model is "best".  personally, it doesn't much matter in terms of function - choose one that aesthetically makes you feel happiest.  DO pay attention to draw length versus bow length - this is very important!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on March 12, 2011, 08:41:00 AM
Clear glass is definitely an option; quite possibly the most common / popular option, too.

As Rob said, go for the one you fancy the most, but don't cut any corners with length.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 12, 2011, 08:45:00 AM
the only other advice to offer on a craig hill is the handle shape - be sure of what you want and be specific about it to craig/jason when ordering.

oh yes, limb set, too.  backset, straight or belly set (string follow) - each adds a character to the way the bow draws and releases and spits out an arrow.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on March 12, 2011, 10:13:00 AM
It is soooo much fun experimenting to find the one you like the best.    :archer:  

I've owned nothing but Hills for 5 years now, and I have learned an enormous amount from this thread in the last 2 months. I just want to thank all the folks who have participated in it and shared there thoughts, photos, and wisdom. NOW I'M REALLY HOOKED!

Tim
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 12, 2011, 10:30:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by far rider:
It is soooo much fun experimenting to find the one you like the best.     :archer:  

I've owned nothing but Hills for 5 years now, and I have learned an enormous amount from this thread in the last 2 months. I just want to thank all the folks who have participated in it and shared there thoughts, photos, and wisdom. NOW I'M REALLY HOOKED!

Tim
X2 Tim!  It's been a riot and very educational.  Still goin'strong!   :clapper:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on March 12, 2011, 10:36:00 AM
I think we are always learning even with these bows that started all the way back with Howard.

I can shoot a variety of grips and really like several of them.

If I ever settle on just one grip you folks will be the 1st to know.

If I see a Hill or Hill style that is worth the price(also known as I can't afford to pass this one up!"...lol I know I can shoot it no matter which grip it has.

God bless,Mudd

PS: I believe it comes from years of shooting anything that would fling an arrow.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 12, 2011, 10:45:00 AM
it's fun, it's educational, it's .... EXPENSIVE.   :D
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kelly on March 12, 2011, 11:15:00 AM
Rob;

Since it has been several weeks since you received your "string follow" Hill would be interested in your thoughts?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: EASTERNARCHER on March 12, 2011, 01:21:00 PM
I hear about different limb designs(sets) on these Hill bows.

Can anyone explain in a nutshell what each different type of set or configuration does for the bows?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 12, 2011, 01:24:00 PM
tembo in da house ... 70", caramelized boo under clear glass, string follow, paduak riser, laced grip, plain limb tips.  labeled as 47@28, my easton digital scale repeatedly averages 51.4# @ 28" and 54.1# @ 29".  it pays to order a lower draw weight - i figured it would be 50# @ 28".   :)

  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/tembo2.jpg)

  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/tembo3.jpg)

  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/tembo4.jpg)

  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/tembo1.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 12, 2011, 01:26:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Kelly:
Rob;

Since it has been several weeks since you received your "string follow" Hill would be interested in your thoughts?
i like craig's version of string follow.  feels smooth on both the draw and release ... noticeably smoother on the release, to me, over the straight or backset hills.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 12, 2011, 01:29:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by EASTERNARCHER:
I hear about different limb designs(sets) on these Hill bows.

Can anyone explain in a nutshell what each different type of set or configuration does for the bows?
backset (or "reflexed limb ends") is purported to smooth out the release with less "hand shock" and make for a somewhat faster arrow.

string follow (or "belly set") is purported to make for a smoother release but perhaps a somewhat lowered arrow speed.

straight limbs are the opposite of the first two.  :)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on March 12, 2011, 01:52:00 PM
Beautiful bow Rob! I am starting to really like the looks of that Paduak for a riser wood. Congrats.   :thumbsup:    :clapper:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on March 12, 2011, 02:01:00 PM
I gotta say Rob, I'm not a fan of Padauk with some of the combos, but with the caramelized boo, it is stunning. That is a nice bow!

Tim
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 12, 2011, 02:09:00 PM
Delicious!!
That is a candy bow for sure!  Again, a beautiful color combination.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on March 12, 2011, 02:40:00 PM
Rob that truly is a beautiful bow.

Thank you for sharing it with us.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: EASTERNARCHER on March 12, 2011, 03:48:00 PM
I agree on the beautiful bow Rob...
I thought it was bloodwood at first. Very nice.
Kinda nudges me to the Hill side..(hey, that's a pad pun, but it fits)!

So String follow eases the release as in handshock? And the backset provides more arrow performance.
Is this set induced at the fades to affect the entire limb or by adding reflex to the tips and outer limb only?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 12, 2011, 04:21:00 PM
i've lost count of the number and types of hills i've owned, let alone others i've shot, and this tembo is The Best by Far.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on March 12, 2011, 04:50:00 PM
Rob,

Is this the blank you ordered and finished, or is this an Ekin bow?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 12, 2011, 04:58:00 PM
this is a new tembo, completed by craig.  the tembo blank is awaiting arrival of the hinge.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: sou-pawbowhunter on March 12, 2011, 05:16:00 PM
Rob,

I know you prefer the locator grip, but I also sense that there may be other issues with the pull apart sleeve that led you to use the hinge,  could you be enticed to elaborate?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Buckhorn47 on March 12, 2011, 05:17:00 PM
Why? Oh, Why? have I tuned into this forum - the pressure! One beautiful Hill after another - I just know this is going to cost me.  And me old and everything.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 12, 2011, 05:27:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by sou-pawbowhunter:
Rob,

I know you prefer the locator grip, but I also sense that there may be other issues with the pull apart sleeve that led you to use the hinge,  could you be enticed to elaborate?
i've had several brass/stainless sleeve t/d longbows, the last was a st. charles pac yew.  the sleeve works well if you are careful about dirt/dust/environment, but that is always an issue of concern.  the sleeve makes for two unequal length half lengths of the bow, which means that a 70" ntn longbow will have one limb measuring nearly 40" whilst the other is about 3" or so shorter - this is a transportation issue (at least for me)  the sleeve will only allow a straight handle.

the connexion hinge works well under the worst of conditions and no special treatment required.  it creates two exact half lengths of the bow, which means that a 70" ntn longbow will have a pair of less than 37" half bow lengths.  it allows for most any type of handle shape.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: OP-archer on March 12, 2011, 05:34:00 PM
OK, if I've read these posts correctly, with a 26" draw length a 66" bow would be appropriate.  Am I correct in this?  If not, what is the optimal bow length for a 26" draw length?

Rick
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 12, 2011, 06:06:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by OPRick:
OK, if I've read these posts correctly, with a 26" draw length a 66" bow would be appropriate.  Am I correct in this?  If not, what is the optimal bow length for a 26" draw length?

Rick
with a hill american flatbow, 64"-66"  ... i would always go longer, so yes, 66"
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: kawika b on March 12, 2011, 06:10:00 PM
I have a 25" draw... a 66" bow is longer than I am tall    :D   ... at my draw, short is long and long is an accident waiting to happen, lol.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on March 12, 2011, 06:13:00 PM
This is going to sound crazy to most of you but i like the 64" bow over the longer bow.Im going to sell my new WS 66" 58@28.  :dunno:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 12, 2011, 06:20:00 PM
with my 29" draw, and ANY american flatbow, 70" is SO MUCH smoother on the draw.  the difference is like night and day.  i gave it a goodly shot and really tried to like 68", but uh uh, not for me.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on March 12, 2011, 06:27:00 PM
Im a solid 28 1/2 draw and the shorter bow feels much better.But like anything else we all have opinions.The 64" WS is my favorite with the takedown handle thats the one i will be keeping.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on March 12, 2011, 06:28:00 PM
Kawika B, don't worry about the bow being taller than you. My 70" bows are taller than me, and I don't think there is any danger associated with that at all. My experience is similar to Rob's: I really began to actually love Hills and shoot darn well with them when I went to a longer length.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on March 12, 2011, 06:32:00 PM
And i scaled both of them the 64" bow scaled at 63# and the 68" bow scaled at 59#.

 (http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj10/longbowben/DSC06831.jpg)  (http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj10/longbowben/DSC06830.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on March 12, 2011, 06:41:00 PM
Sweet looking bows LBBen.

The bows out in the sunshine is an added bonus for us who have been sun light deprived.

We've had a long run of gray dreary days.

Thanks for sharing.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Cookus on March 12, 2011, 07:30:00 PM
I'm with Ben... My 64" Wesley @ my 28" draw yields better results than my 68" @ 28" draw Black Bear   :knothead:   .   I alternate between both bows and group well... But the Wesley I got from Grapes (Mike Vines) is a killer!   :archer2:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Overspined on March 12, 2011, 07:37:00 PM
A friend of mine showed me in old magazines/journals that you rarely heard of longbow under 68" or 70", unless they were shot by women. Even then they were long. The recurve options and more treestand hunting encouraged to going shorter and then eventually R/D showed up. Oh yeah, and most were shooting 70# + too!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on March 12, 2011, 07:40:00 PM
Quote
My 64" Wesley @ my 28" draw has
Yes, we're waiting for the rest of the story!   :D
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on March 12, 2011, 07:53:00 PM
Here is a picture of the 64" bow look at the bent limbs.It rips out of my fingers and hits where im looking. (http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj10/longbowben/DSC06776.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on March 12, 2011, 07:54:00 PM
Cookus, "My 64" Wesley @ my 28" draw has..."


Huh?

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on March 12, 2011, 07:55:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Cookus:
I'm with Ben... My 64" Wesley @ my 28" draw yields better results than my 68" @ 28" draw Black Bear    :knothead:    .   I alternate between both bows and group well... But the Wesley I got from Grapes (Mike Vines) is a killer!    :archer2:  
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: droz il on March 12, 2011, 08:00:00 PM
Beautiful Tembo Rob. Congrats.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 12, 2011, 08:07:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by longbowben:
Here is a picture of the 64" bow look at the bent limbs.It rips out of my fingers and hits where im looking.  (http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj10/longbowben/DSC06776.jpg)
with yer 28.5" draw length, how long are those spears, er, arrows?   :)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: highnoonhunter on March 12, 2011, 08:14:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
tembo in da house ... 70", caramelized boo under clear glass, string follow, paduak riser, laced grip, plain limb tips.  labeled as 47@28, my easton digital scale repeatedly averages 51.4# @ 28" and 54.1# @ 29".  it pays to order a lower draw weight - i figured it would be 50# @ 28".    :)  
 
Beautiful bow Rob!

Rob....... lemme ask you something.... I suppose we all "feel" things differently or we'd all like the same bow, BUT

I've not had but a few bows as direct comparisons, but all things being equal, I think a 3 lam bow has a smoother draw then say a 5 lam bow of the same make/length/poundage..... especially in narrow limb deep core longbows. Just my experience.

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on March 12, 2011, 08:16:00 PM
32 1/2 in that picture i was in the tunning process then.But they are now cut down to 30" 290 gr tip. And with 2117 footing at  1 1/4 inches long.Total arrow weight of 602gr.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on March 12, 2011, 08:35:00 PM
Rob. that Paduak is just dandy ...
I so gotta get me a Tembo with that 'boo and Paduak ... not very  original I know but take it as a compliment !
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 12, 2011, 08:56:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by highnoonhunter:
 
Quote
Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
tembo in da house ... 70", caramelized boo under clear glass, string follow, paduak riser, laced grip, plain limb tips.  labeled as 47@28, my easton digital scale repeatedly averages 51.4# @ 28" and 54.1# @ 29".  it pays to order a lower draw weight - i figured it would be 50# @ 28".     :)  
 
Beautiful bow Rob!

Rob....... lemme ask you something.... I suppose we all "feel" things differently or we'd all like the same bow, BUT

I've not had but a few bows as direct comparisons, but all things being equal, I think a 3 lam bow has a smoother draw then say a 5 lam bow of the same make/length/poundage..... especially in narrow limb deep core longbows. Just my experience.

Any thoughts? [/b]
yes, i completely agree - that's why i have a pair of tembo's when i could have, have had, a buncha wesley's and big 5's.  :thunmbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 12, 2011, 08:58:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ben Maher:
Rob. that Paduak is just dandy ...
I so gotta get me a Tembo with that 'boo and Paduak ... not very  original I know but take it as a compliment !
plagiarism and flattery will get you everywhere.  :D

as just mentioned in a post above, i also believe than fewer boo lams make for a smoother longbow on the draw, the hold and the release.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Dick in Seattle on March 12, 2011, 10:44:00 PM
I think the idea is that the extra lams don't really start to come into their own until the weight becomes a factor.  For the guys ordering 70# and up from Hill, the extra lam probably does feel a bit smoother.   There's a point at which the extra lam and the extra glue line are kind of a wash.   My building, pitiful though it might be, seems to bear this out.  I build a series of 1, 2, 3 and 4 lam bows for comparison.   Came to the conclusion that at my low weights, I could probably build everything with 2 lams, but I generally use three "just because" or to get a color contrast lam in the middle (very scientific here).  If I'm aiming for 45 or more, I got to four.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Overspined on March 13, 2011, 03:07:00 PM
Hmmm, that is interesting Dick. I like my wesley, but as you say, after that bow I never really thought about the number of lams and my hill and hill style bows range from 3-5 lams, and there really isn't a difference in how they shoot if you compare equal lengths. They are from 45-53#. My first cusom Hill bow just happened to be a wesley. I have shot and owned big 5, wesley, cheetah, redman bows of sorts. Still have several. I would like to try a tembo and see if there is a difference though.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 13, 2011, 03:23:00 PM
the number of lams used will dictate the amount of glue used (glue adds limb weight and perhaps other factors such as coefficients of elasticity and compression).  multi-lam lams (actionboo, lamboo) add even more glue lines.  then there is lam thickness and taper.  

the new craig-built tembo i just received has three lams of added heat tempered boo (aka "caramelized").  the lams are thick and the limbs are narrow and deep cored.  this is by far the smoothest pulling, holding and shooting hill longbow i've owned or shot to date.  and i've owned and shot more than all my digits added together.   :)    part of this wonderfulness, i think, is due to the 70" length, the fewer lams, the added boo heat tempering, and the string follow limb set ... and craig's longbow building knowledge and craftsmanship.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: GMASIUK on March 13, 2011, 04:24:00 PM
I have one very similar to Rob's on order due in soon. Mine will have a little different spin to it though.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Raging Water on March 13, 2011, 07:11:00 PM
Just wanted to show a picture of my Half Breed and the Pretty Pink arrow that Jason Ekin made for my bow. They are perfectly spined for my bow and hit just right where I aim. (Too bad my aim is so bad)

  (http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/hemdell/Robin%20Hooded%20Field%20Point/IMG00064-20110313-1729.jpg)   (http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/hemdell/Robin%20Hooded%20Field%20Point/IMG00062-20110313-1727.jpg)   (http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/hemdell/Robin%20Hooded%20Field%20Point/IMG00057-20110313-1707.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 13, 2011, 07:25:00 PM
Nice bow Matt!  What wood for the riser?  

Also, can you feel much if any difference from your Robin Hood?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on March 13, 2011, 08:18:00 PM
Pooh! More eye candy.......this is the best thread ever!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Raging Water on March 13, 2011, 08:40:00 PM
The riser is Bacote.

And yeah, They feel different. The Robin Hood is only 55#. This bow is 100#.

I love the Robin Hood bow. Mine is dual shelf and is soooooo smooth. I love it.

My Elephant Bow is super smooth, too. But, if you are not used to the hand shock that thing generates it will rattle your teeth.

Here are a couple pictures of my Howard Hill Dual Shelf Robin Hood.

Matt

   (http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/hemdell/A%20Dual%20Shelf%20Robin%20Hood/IMG00422-20110115-1222.jpg)    (http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/hemdell/A%20Dual%20Shelf%20Robin%20Hood/IMG00423-20110115-1223.jpg)    (http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/hemdell/A%20Dual%20Shelf%20Robin%20Hood/CIMG6656.jpg)    (http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/hemdell/A%20Dual%20Shelf%20Robin%20Hood/CIMG6658.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Buckhorn47 on March 14, 2011, 08:17:00 AM
Just keeping it forward ttt
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on March 14, 2011, 11:45:00 AM
I am pleased to announce my old Redman "The Chief" made it back home this morning.(Thank you TW)

We have about 6"'s of new unexpected snow on the ground this morning but I was determined to fling an arrow out of him.

I have to say it was as if "Chief" hadn't ever been gone at all. I only missed my intended mark by about 1/4".

Feels awesome to have my old buddy back in my hands.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 14, 2011, 11:55:00 AM
Prodigal son has returned...Now yew are happy, eh?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on March 14, 2011, 12:39:00 PM
This thread is causing pain to my wallet!     :p          ;)     Look what I have coming from Stabow!  She has juniper lam on the back and bamboo on the belly side under clear glass and the deer inlay.  Boy....I'm cranked!

    (http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy241/davidmitchell_6466/Hill%20Juniper%20Wesley%20Special/HillJuniperWesley.jpg)

    (http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy241/davidmitchell_6466/Hill%20Juniper%20Wesley%20Special/HillJuniperWesley3.jpg)

 (http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy241/davidmitchell_6466/Hill%20Juniper%20Wesley%20Special/HillJuniperWesley2.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Hermon on March 14, 2011, 12:42:00 PM
115 Pages!!! This bug must be a pandemic by now!  :campfire:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 14, 2011, 01:05:00 PM
yeah!  I'd be cranked too
beautiful!!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on March 14, 2011, 01:12:00 PM
Yeah, Tony, I'm a really sick puppy with this "bug" that's going around.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on March 14, 2011, 01:20:00 PM
I messed this one up!
Sorry!

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on March 14, 2011, 01:21:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Mudd:
I have a feeling this hasn't reached it's "fever pitch" yet...lol

I know I am not seeing any signs of relief yet.Either for myself or anyone else who's been bitten.      :) ...lol

Maybe it'll ease up if I get a Halfbreed.(I've never shot one...... yet)

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 14, 2011, 01:32:00 PM
well, now i've got a real bug, so no shooting for awhile.  phooey.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on March 14, 2011, 01:33:00 PM
Oh no! Rob what's the problem?

I sure hope it's very temporary!

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 14, 2011, 01:35:00 PM
flu bug(s) ... grrrrrrr.  better now than next month when it's hog time.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: hvyhitter on March 14, 2011, 01:37:00 PM
looking at the halfbreed in the classifieds now.....dont need it....but I want it.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on March 14, 2011, 02:15:00 PM
hvyhitter  you made me go look...lol

Woohoo!! It's too heavy for me...lol

But it's a beauty for sure.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: RC on March 14, 2011, 02:43:00 PM
Got my Big Five back from HH today. They took a few pounds off and put the locator grip on it. I gotta say that is running neck to neck with my Mohawk for being my number one longbow ever....and I`ve had a bunch. The new grip is the best feeling grip I`ve shot on a longbow. Positive hand placement everytime. RC
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Randy Koleno on March 14, 2011, 03:07:00 PM
Now daggumit RC, I just got my Cheetah back from Craig. I had it reduced and re-finished and was agonizing over having my dished grip changed to the locater. Was you're old grip straight or dished and did it make a big difference?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on March 14, 2011, 04:13:00 PM
:archer2:  Mudd, right now my breed is by far my favorite bow to shoot., as she's a looker to boot!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on March 14, 2011, 04:55:00 PM
UNCLE!!!!! I give up or in.. whatever!

    :knothead:    

Alright I know or should know better but I will have a Halfbreed 68" 48@28 which will bring it home around 50 to 53lbs. Dished grip.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: RC on March 14, 2011, 05:51:00 PM
Mine was a straight grip. It made a lot of difference for me.RC
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on March 14, 2011, 05:54:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by RC:
Mine was a straight grip. It made a lot of difference for me.RC
What is it now RC? Dished or locator?

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: xbmedic on March 14, 2011, 08:08:00 PM
So... David Mitchell got Stabow's Wesley. I contacted him on the same day, and he said it was sold. It's all good, though, because now it turns out that I have Stabow's 68" Big 5 coming this way via Priority Mail. He hooked up a fellow RN! Woo hoo! It may be here by Friday!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Dick in Seattle on March 14, 2011, 08:45:00 PM
Tried catching up with this "thread"?  More like a cable!  Anyway, no hope so I just picked up the last couple of pages.  

RE grips, I tried a dished grip on Bamboozle and really liked it. Put it on the last couple.  Here it is on Chocolate Moose:

 (http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h186/CaptainDick/moose958-1.jpg)

I started out getting my new Hills with locator, but went to straight for a long time.  Now I'm finding the dished a nice "in between"

I like the deep locator on my Forward Scouts, too, but it is definitely a bit different, bringing you up to a medium wrist instead of low:

 (http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h186/CaptainDick/oth6.jpg)

Endless opportunities to play different variations of the game...
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on March 14, 2011, 08:47:00 PM
That's a beauty David! Next time reverse the pic though so we can see it with the shelf on the proper side!   :biglaugh:    Congrats buddy!

Hey guy's, bet you can't guess what's supposed to be at the post office tomorrow guarenteed by 3:00pm   :archer2:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on March 14, 2011, 09:17:00 PM
Spanky, a Sunset Hill?????
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on March 14, 2011, 09:21:00 PM
Yeah baby..."El Tigre" in the house! WoooooHoooooo! It's gonna be a long night!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 14, 2011, 09:34:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SpankyNeal:
Yeah baby..."El Tigre" in the house! WoooooHoooooo! It's gonna be a long night!
Come on Spanky...you know the rules!
Pics are mandatory    :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on March 14, 2011, 09:40:00 PM
Pics will be coming as soon as I can get some. The bad part is that I have to work late tomorrow!  :banghead:   I'll try not to leave you guys hanging for too long!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 14, 2011, 09:44:00 PM
Dick,
Chocolate Moose is a handsome lad!  

How long is the riser?  That dish looks comfortable - lotsa room for big hands.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Dick in Seattle on March 14, 2011, 09:54:00 PM
Tony...  you can see a complete set of pix of Moose at:

 http://dickwightman.com/archeryactivity/bowbuilding/gallery/chocolatemoose/chocolatemoose.html

It does have a large grip that would be good for big hands...  it's a 50# bow (wasn't meant to be but the walnut core lams fooled me!)  It has the features I'm currently playing with... extreme string follow and classic riser, made to shoot off the knuckle, so right or left handed.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on March 14, 2011, 10:27:00 PM
I can tell you that it's a sweet shooter too!

Dick was nice enough to allow me to have it here for awhile.

I had to do a little adjusting with shooting off my knuckle. It too me back to my days of shooting my selfbows but not at the same time...lol

That's got to be about as clear as "mud"...lol

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Dirty Bob on March 14, 2011, 10:43:00 PM
Far Rider, what a beautiful Wesley. Thank you!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 14, 2011, 10:45:00 PM
Sooo...string follow is a sweetner.

Looks like the Moose has a good bit of it.  I can imagine it would take some work to find an arrow spined to fly around that handle.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ray_G on March 14, 2011, 10:48:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SpankyNeal:
Yeah baby..."El Tigre" in the house! WoooooHoooooo! It's gonna be a long night!
Got to meet her Saturday at the shop.  She is a pretty gal and I bet she'll be willing to dance with Spanky!  We want pics or vids of the dance, my friend!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Nate Steen . on March 14, 2011, 10:52:00 PM
oh brother,

you'd think the guy had never seen a longbow before.

Get Spanky help before he has a total breakdown and gets a padded cell....
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Dick in Seattle on March 14, 2011, 10:53:00 PM
The arrow match isn't a big problem.  Usually a size down on the spine does it.  I built an off the knuckle bow called "Arrowl Flynn" a couple of years ago and circulated it among a group during the hunting season.  Six or eight guys had it and each found a match.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 14, 2011, 11:02:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by sunset hill:
oh brother,

you'd think the guy had never seen a longbow before.

Get Spanky help before he has a total breakdown and gets a padded cell....
Lock him up!  He's got a terminal case of the "Sunset" bug - a potent mutation of the current epidemic.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on March 15, 2011, 12:13:00 AM
Bob,
Enjoy it pard, glad someone who will shoot it has it now. It's been a favorite of mine, but I hardly shot it because at my draw it's just too heavy. I expect to see some good pics of you either popping a target, or drawing blood! It was a great trade for me also, shot yours all day Saturday, fit me great!

 (http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac144/timwsmith/MoreHills008.jpg)

Tim
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Randy Koleno on March 15, 2011, 08:03:00 AM
Thanks for the info RC.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on March 15, 2011, 09:01:00 AM
I could tape the war dance and send it to America's Funniest Home videos - Let's see, how many bows could I buy with $100K?  :banghead:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on March 15, 2011, 09:26:00 AM
Spanky dude, you crack me out!!

 :bigsmyl:                            :archer:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on March 15, 2011, 09:31:00 AM
Spanky-you are ate up man!!!!    :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on March 15, 2011, 10:09:00 AM
Spanky-

Are you working today or taking off early to meet the post man?   :thumbsup:  

Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on March 15, 2011, 10:33:00 AM
Spanky, you lucky dog!!!!!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kelly on March 15, 2011, 11:12:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by sunset hill:
oh brother,

you'd think the guy had never seen a longbow before.

Get Spanky help before he has a total breakdown and gets a padded cell....
:clapper:  

Wonder who is next on your list!    :dunno:    ;)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 15, 2011, 11:29:00 AM
:bigsmyl:

Are we having fun yet?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on March 15, 2011, 12:08:00 PM
I have to teach a night class tonight, but I'm heading home to meet the postman, fondle and drool over it a little, and then drive back for class. I'll try and get at least one pic posted tonight but it may be late so hang on, the rest will follow shortly I promise!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 15, 2011, 12:10:00 PM
Spanky,
Very Cool!  Lookin' forward to look-see!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on March 15, 2011, 08:15:00 PM
Spanky-

I can't wait to see the pic of your very special Sunset Hill.

Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Cookus on March 15, 2011, 09:09:00 PM
Can't wait to see pic's Spanky!   :campfire:    :coffee:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Sam McMichael on March 15, 2011, 09:11:00 PM
This thread is really getting to me! At first, I was just amused that so many guys shared my enthusiasm for Hill bows, but as I read, and read, and read, I started to want, and want and want. Now I have visions of a Redman or perhaps a halfbreed dancing in my mind. You guys are about to get me in very serious trouble with the wife. But what the heck, life is full of trouble anyway, so maybe I can face up to it one more time.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Blueridge on March 15, 2011, 09:20:00 PM
Aw go ahead Sam. I bought a Wesley Special and a Big 5 within the last 3 1/2 months and will order a Redman or Tembo soon. Craig builds a great bow and the women will get over it.-
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on March 15, 2011, 09:26:00 PM
Sam-

Glad to have you around the   :campfire: , we have a bunch of true Hill enthusists here.

Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on March 15, 2011, 10:00:00 PM
Same here Blueridge. I've bought 1, traded 1, and sold 1 this month, and like you, Craig has heard from me also.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 15, 2011, 10:49:00 PM
Tim,
Could you do me a favor and send or post a pic of the HH mystery wood "Chi Chen"  

I have tried my darndest to find it on the net but there is no reference...nothin..
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on March 15, 2011, 10:54:00 PM
Tony, Guy I traded my Ebony Wesley to said this is the Chi Chen riser. I have to take his word for it as it is a mystery to me also.

 (http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac144/timwsmith/MoreHills008.jpg)

 (http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac144/timwsmith/MoreHills017.jpg)

The only other wood that even looks close to this is the Light Shedua,but the grain is a little different.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Blueridge on March 15, 2011, 11:01:00 PM
Far Rider "ain't it fun!" I think I want a Redman , its different but  I like the look of a Myrtle riser and like the way bamboo shoots. Never shot an all yew bow or how it will compare to the Wesley and Big 5
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: bigjohnmissalot on March 15, 2011, 11:12:00 PM
far rider that looks like verawood riser, it is what"s on my HH wild boar
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 15, 2011, 11:17:00 PM
Tim,
That is cool!  I really like the color and the unique grain pattern.  A nice neutral riser choice.

Pretty bows, aren't they?


-edit-

John, I just did a search for verawood...you're right..it is! (must be)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on March 15, 2011, 11:19:00 PM
I saw the name of that riser wood listed in Craig's list of wood choices, beyond that all I can add is....I like it.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on March 16, 2011, 12:54:00 AM
Far rider its verawood.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on March 16, 2011, 06:43:00 AM
If it is verawood, it looks extremely close to the chichen in my Wesley Spec. riser.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: 7 Lakes on March 16, 2011, 07:09:00 AM
It does look like vera wood but try this.  One of my suppliers has some for sale.
 http://domexhardwoods.com/Species.aspx?speciesID=56
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on March 16, 2011, 08:07:00 AM
7 Lakes, excellent pic of chechen.  Looks just like what's in my Hill riser.  There you go Tony.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on March 16, 2011, 08:43:00 AM
Ok guys, sorry for the delay but yesterday was pretty hectic! Managed to pick up that long tube from the post office, and at least drool over the contents for a little while before heading back to work. Inside was "EL Tigre" and A BIG SURPRISE!!!

First here's a couple of pics of "EL Tigre" for ya...what a beauty. The draw is soooo smooth it's unbelievable! Brown glass back over tempered bamboo with the natural boo belly, and a really nice Myrtle riser, 65" and 56@27.

  (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/203.jpg)
  (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/202.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on March 16, 2011, 08:48:00 AM
Ken ... just beautiful mate . He really does build a nice bit of gear does Mr Nate . I'm slightly jealous and will have to order a new bow to sooth my woes .....

Looking foward to pics of you and the bow afield .

I leave for New zealand tomorrow hunting deer and turkey and am taking my t/d Hill plus my Robin Hood #13 ... but your pics make me want to take my Miller .

I jus may have to take up Nate on his offer of a non camo , back quiver stump shoot one day .
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on March 16, 2011, 08:50:00 AM
And now for the surprise! Can yew say B'Yew'T! Say hello to "Lionheart".

   (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/207.jpg)
   (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/206.jpg)

66"s of beautiful Yew, brown glass back and belly, and a gorgeous Myrtle riser, 57@27. I wasn't expecting this masterpiece until late in the year, but Nate snuck it in on me and almost gave me a heart attack when I unwrapped it! I'll get some more pics and put them and my shooting impressions in a dedicated thread over the next couple of days...once I get my pulse rate under control that is!     :biglaugh:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 16, 2011, 08:53:00 AM
Hey Spanky, she's gorgeous.  The myrtle is a stunning piece.  YEW lucky dawg!     :thumbsup:        :jumper:

I remember it was not too many days ago I asked if Nate ever considered building a Yew based bow...I think my heart rate spiked along with yours!!   :eek:    :eek:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ben Maher on March 16, 2011, 09:00:00 AM
Ken , that Yew just ain't fair brother ... just about my favourite combination in the world ....... just like my old Schulz...

Beautiful ...

Definately gotta get me a new bow now ...
 I Better call Craig !
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on March 16, 2011, 09:01:00 AM
I told you I had a surpise for ya Tony! Don't miss the pics of "El Tigre" on the previous page...it might get jealous!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 16, 2011, 09:14:00 AM
Spanky...a surprise you say...I looked at the first pic and shuddered.  Then posted a comment.  Went back to the thread and saw that b-YEW-t and nearly fell off my chair!  

Congrats!!  You made my day.

Kudos to the bowyer!   :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tradlongbow on March 16, 2011, 09:31:00 AM
Spanky-

Both bows are absolutley beautiful, and the Myrtle is stunning.

What type of Myrtle is that on the Yew bow?

Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on March 16, 2011, 09:38:00 AM
Thanks Darren! That is just a realy nice dark section of a figured block of Myrtle that Nate bought a while back. Actually, Nate told me that both of these riser blocks were side-by-side in the big block. I think he made a great choice!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on March 16, 2011, 09:52:00 AM
Awesome!!!

I called David but didn't make a connection but did leave a message but forgot to leave him my number. Dooooh!!

Those are 2 gorgeous bows!! I absolutely need to be wearing a bib when I come back to this thread...

Saliva on the keyboard is... just nasty.....lol

Thanks for sharing!

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: pavan on March 16, 2011, 10:17:00 AM
Nice looking myrtle, I have a lefty Pete George in that same color scheme. It shoots as fast and smooth as my Schulz, there is just something about yew and myrtle that works.  I hope to get a turkey with my clear glassed yew/myrtle this year.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on March 16, 2011, 10:41:00 AM
Oh ok, well maybe it's verawood. I was just going on what Bob told me, like I said...had not seen either.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on March 16, 2011, 10:43:00 AM
went to the Hill sight, and yep, looks a lot like the verawood to me also. Thanks guys! Every time I I get on this thread I learn something!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: leatherneck on March 16, 2011, 10:53:00 AM
Beautiful looking bows Spanky! Congrats.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: OP-archer on March 16, 2011, 10:58:00 AM
Spanky, really looking forward to your impressions/review of you Sunset Hill.  Keep us informed!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on March 16, 2011, 11:32:00 AM
OOOPPPSSS!!!  I've been drooling over Sunset Hill bows and thinking they were from another bowyer.

Sorry!! It means I have to talk to another one too I guess...lol

Anybody have too many... flowers in their yard?

Nope!

According to the flower expert I know, you can't have too many so I am sure it's got to be the same with bows...lol

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kelly on March 16, 2011, 11:38:00 AM
quote:
Originally posted by SpankyNeal:
And now for the surprise! Can yew say B'Yew'T! Say hello to "Lionheart".

    (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/207.jpg)
    (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/kbneal2002/206.jpg)

66"s of beautiful Yew, brown glass back and belly, and a gorgeous Myrtle riser, 57@27. I wasn't expecting this masterpiece until late in the year, but Nate snuck it in on me and almost gave me a heart attack when I unwrapped it! I'll get some more pics and put them and my shooting impressions in a dedicated thread over the next couple of days...once I get my pulse rate under control that is!      :clapper:  

Bet I know where that Yew came from!    ;)  

Spanky, now you must be the owner of the more Sunset HIlls than anyone else?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: longbowben on March 16, 2011, 11:41:00 AM
Outstanding looking bows!!
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Post by: SpankyNeal on March 16, 2011, 11:44:00 AM
Yeah Kelly, I also own more than Nate does!  :clapper:   This one is very special in more ways than one!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ray_G on March 16, 2011, 11:55:00 AM
Spanky,

It was hard for me to contain myself when we spoke Saturday.  I knew that you were going to be excited!  Nate and I were giggling in the background but I guess you couldn't hear us.  

Enjoy the heck outta them and hopefully we can shoot some arrows together in the future.

By the way, time to update your signature line.

Ray
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Post by: Ray_G on March 16, 2011, 11:58:00 AM
Sorry, Spanky.  I see that you did update your sig line.
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Post by: SpankyNeal on March 16, 2011, 12:12:00 PM
Ray, I knew you had to be a co-conspirator in this deal! Shame on you for trying to give an old Hill guy a heart attack!     :thumbsup:
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Post by: Ray_G on March 16, 2011, 12:46:00 PM
Spanky,

Nate is the artist - I'm just a poser!   I hope I to add another SH to my rack.  I get to see the other beauties at one stage or another and I have only one.  My next one will be a bit of a departure, perhaps but no spilling the beans.   :dunno:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Wannabe1 on March 16, 2011, 12:51:00 PM
Congratulations Spanky! That is one beauty of a bow.   :thumbsup:    :clapper:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: stik&string on March 16, 2011, 12:58:00 PM
Wow. Both of them bows are stunning.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kevin L. on March 16, 2011, 02:03:00 PM
Beautiful bow Spanky! Yew even got it made to the right specs, lol. Let me know when you put it up on the trade blanket    :D
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Post by: Ricker on March 16, 2011, 02:13:00 PM
Spanky,  that is a couple of super fine sticks.  Congrats.
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Post by: droz il on March 16, 2011, 03:00:00 PM
Congrats Spanky, you got two beauties.
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Post by: xbmedic on March 16, 2011, 03:04:00 PM
Both of them are beautiful, Spanky. What a cool surprise!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kelly on March 16, 2011, 03:05:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Kevin L.:
Beautiful bow Spanky! Yew even got it made to the right specs, lol. Let me know when you put it up on the trade blanket     :D  
Don't be holding your breath Kevin while you wait for one of Spanky's SH's to be on the trade blanket. Afraid you won't make it!  "[dntthnk]"
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on March 16, 2011, 03:12:00 PM
You got that right Kelly! It's in my will that my casket is to have a nice padded sleeve approx 66" long sewn into the lid for each of my Sunsets! I might let St. Peter hold one for a minute, but he's gotta give it back!   :readit:    :D
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Post by: MJB on March 16, 2011, 03:36:00 PM
Originally posted by SpankyNeal:
I might let St. Peter hold one for a minute, but he's gotta give it back!    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on March 17, 2011, 12:37:00 AM
:laughing:  Spanky. Now that's a man that loves his bows!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Benchmade111 on March 17, 2011, 07:03:00 AM
Hey Spanky, What if you have to give one up to get in?  :biglaugh:
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Post by: leatherneck on March 17, 2011, 08:56:00 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Benchmade111:
Hey Spanky, What if you have to give one up to get in?    :scared:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on March 17, 2011, 11:04:00 AM
I'll tell ol St. Pete that if he can beat me in a shoot-off, he can have the one that doesn't have my name on it!  :goldtooth:  If that don't work, then I'll just wait and tackle Nate when he comes by, and give him one of his!   :biglaugh:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Steve Clandinin on March 17, 2011, 11:07:00 AM
Spanky ,those bows look incredible.In all honesty what differance do you notice over hill bows,not to cut anyone down,just curious.Thanks
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Post by: Mudd on March 17, 2011, 11:42:00 AM
My new Half Breed arrived this morning.

The wind is blowing about 20 to 30 mph but I still just had to shoot it outside.

Here's me drawing it for the very 1st time.

  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Howard%20Hill%20bows/DSC01205.jpg)

Here are the rest of the pictures I took.

  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Howard%20Hill%20bows/DSC01213.jpg)
  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Howard%20Hill%20bows/DSC01212.jpg)
  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Howard%20Hill%20bows/DSC01210.jpg)
  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Howard%20Hill%20bows/DSC01209.jpg)
  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Howard%20Hill%20bows/DSC01208.jpg)
  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Howard%20Hill%20bows/DSC01207.jpg)
  (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Howard%20Hill%20bows/DSC01206.jpg)

You can see by my 1st six arrows that we are going to get along just fine.

Thanks for looking!

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on March 17, 2011, 11:48:00 AM
Steve, in all honesty it boils down to personal fit and design. All of mine were made specifically for me, except for "Quiet Places" and Nate is giving it a facelift so it will, and so they simply work better. We've mentioned this before, and I'm sticking to my guns...perfect fit does matter with this style bow! You never see them on the classifieds because once they get in the hands of the person they were made for, they never leave. The couple of folks I know that didn't love them got them used. Why didn't they like them? Because they weren't built for them!

I don't know of a bad Hill bow being made by anyone out there - I have owned and actually "like" them all, but I "love" these. Nate specializes in string follow bows and his designs and construction techniques are different than the others, and simply work better for me. If you need heart surgery, you go to a heart surgeon, and not a general practitioner. Same here...if you want a reflex or straight profile Hill bow with exotic risers, various core materials, pretty veneers, and tip overlays, then Craig or Steve are the guys you need to be talking to, if you want a split bamboo like Howard's original bows, then David is your man, but if string follows are your passion then you need to talk to Nate!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Steve Clandinin on March 17, 2011, 11:49:00 AM
Mudd,Do I ever like that bow ! It must be the Yew !LOL
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on March 17, 2011, 11:51:00 AM
Congrats on the HB Roy...looks like ya'll see eye-to-eye my friend - enjoy!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 17, 2011, 11:59:00 AM
More Yew 4 Yew!
Dandy bow Mr Mudd!   :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on March 17, 2011, 12:01:00 PM
I will continue to drive these Cadillacs and Rolls Royces until I can get a Maserati...lol

God bless,Mudd

PS: I picked that up from a reliable source....lol
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Steve Clandinin on March 17, 2011, 01:14:00 PM
Spanky,Thanks ever so much for the info,it all makes sense,like I said before those are sure nice looking bows,Quality written all over them!
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Post by: Wannabe1 on March 17, 2011, 01:20:00 PM
Beautiful bow Roy. Congrats and good shooting.   :thumbsup:    :clapper:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Overspined on March 17, 2011, 01:54:00 PM
GRIPS...I think we could start a post on HH bows just based on grips.  It is amazing the variety of grip sizes and shapes that everyone decides upon or prefers!

Straight:I love straight, they fit me. Teardrop more specifically, but any straight is my preference.

Dished: I like, but don't shoot them as well as my hand seems to collapse into the grip funny and tends to torque it a touch.  I can shoot them, but just can't seem to get it consistent for the first shot. I would have to shoot a very shallow dish, but still would rather not. I am amazed at how much some bows are dished.  I would like to try one with an extreme dish, or even a standard dish like MUDD's new one and see what happens.

Index:  I WANT to shoot this style in a HH bow, but haven't seen one out there yet.  I would never order one without first shooting someone else's.  I think it would torque my wrist forward funny as it does on non HH bows, as I hold the grip more on the "side", I have wide hands and the knuckle is behind the grip apex, but it looks like I hold the side of the bow.

How have you all come to the preference you have?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on March 17, 2011, 02:05:00 PM
Matt, I found mine by shooting them. The used bows I have bought all had different grips, and sizes, so I found the one I liked - eventually! Once I bought that Schulz bow though, it was all over...that grip was perfect! I can shoot it as well as a pure straight, but it's a little more comfortable in the hand. I have also found the wedge on John's bows to be more repeatable, and more torque free than the racetrack style.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: highnoonhunter on March 17, 2011, 03:11:00 PM
Man this thread is killing me!

I thought about seeing if the moderators would kill it or pull it, but seeing that Rob is in on it...... probably ain't gonna happen......   :knothead:

Sure is causing the Preacherman to lust!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Ray_G on March 17, 2011, 03:31:00 PM
Bobby,

"Mortify" that lust - just order one!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: highnoonhunter on March 17, 2011, 03:35:00 PM
I'm trying Ray, I'm trying!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tg2nd on March 17, 2011, 05:45:00 PM
Let' see if it goes 'till Howards 111th Birthday (8 months to go)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Cookus on March 17, 2011, 07:41:00 PM
That's a sweet looking half breed Mudd!   She throws a nice pattern as well!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on March 17, 2011, 07:54:00 PM
Mudd,
Ya did it again, you know that Big 5 I had back in the middle of this thread that I said was a twin to yours......well I have your Half Breed's twin too. Bocote, Yew, over boo. Only difference is the weight and wrap. Great minds I guess!

  (http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac144/timwsmith/HalfBreed2.jpg)

  (http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac144/timwsmith/HalfBreedgrroup1.jpg)

She's the best shooter on the rack.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: OP-archer on March 17, 2011, 08:17:00 PM
Just ordered a Hill-style bow blank from Mike Ballinger at 7-Lakes LB's.  65" 44@28 Ipe riser with a Rosewood stripe, 4 lams of bamboo with black glass.  Shaping the grip and finishing the shelf.  Cost $175.00.  He's adding the overlays to the tip and riser for an additional $50.00.  All I have to do is sand, sand and then sand some more.  Then poly.  Hopefully, I'll be able to post some pics on the progress.  There are only a few left at this price, so, if you're considering ordering a Hill-style bow it's a great bagain with just a little bit of work on my part.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: hvyhitter on March 17, 2011, 08:18:00 PM
The strain was too much......pulled the trigger on the Halfbreed that WAS in the classifieds. Too close to what I was looking to order so I couldnt pass it up.
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Post by: Blueridge on March 17, 2011, 08:28:00 PM
Mudd and Far Rider those are beauts! FR what kind of grip is that? Just talked with Craig today about the Redman and will probably order it tomorrow. That should be enough for a while!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 17, 2011, 08:51:00 PM
Cool Blue!  I have yet to see a good pic of Craig's Redman..

"That should be enough for a while!"  You know that ain't true...   :saywhat:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on March 17, 2011, 08:55:00 PM
Dished grip, with I believe laced elk hide. I'll find out from the guy I bought it from and let you know.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Dirty Bob on March 17, 2011, 09:10:00 PM
Nice group mudd!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Blueridge on March 17, 2011, 09:17:00 PM
Tony I can't afford 1 a month!!  My other HH's have black elk.
I like the looks of that brown.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: GRS on March 17, 2011, 09:17:00 PM
far rider said " She's the best shooter on the rack." Nope, the best shooter on your rack moved to my house.   :bigsmyl:

Gerald
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: xbmedic on March 17, 2011, 09:19:00 PM
I got my Big 5 from Stabow yesterday! 68" 50#28" Cocobolo riser with clear glass belly and back. I went out and shot it this morning. This is my first Howard Hill and only my second Hill style bow. My other was a Jerry Hill back when I shot RH, before I knew better. I will post some photos when I can figure out how to resize them to the proper width. I can save your life, but I'm a computer idiot!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on March 17, 2011, 09:44:00 PM
:biglaugh:  Yep, I should have said "left on my rack"! That Big 5 is a shooter for sure. When we gonna go pig hunting? I'm gonna be in Statesville tomorrow, would be easy to drop that Wesley off to ya!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: 3Under on March 17, 2011, 10:48:00 PM
Mudd ,
Sure like your Halfbred!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Buckhorn47 on March 18, 2011, 07:49:00 AM
XB Congrats on your bow. I love that cocobolo!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rik on March 18, 2011, 10:03:00 AM
I did not realize it at first, but once you hunt with Howard Hill, you're pretty well ruined for life.

Here's a photo of Howard and I hunting boar and buffalo in Australia. It was a great hunt----bamboo limbs got tensed and wood arrows were launched. His grin says it all.

As many of you already know, Howard is a bad influence. Yep, you guessed it, he's already trying to convince me to plan another Outback adventure. It's not easy being a fan of Howard, but it SURE IS FUN!

 (http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt252/Rikhinton/Howard_and_I_in_Australia_low_res.jpg)
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Post by: LITTLEBIGMAN on March 18, 2011, 10:05:00 AM
rik  that is a hoot!
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Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on March 18, 2011, 10:05:00 AM
Fair-dinkum, Rik! Good to see Howard out-and-about!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on March 18, 2011, 10:10:00 AM
Rik, I'm surprised Howard didn't hog-tie and quarter ya for having that ugly thing hangin off the side of your bow!  :clapper:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on March 18, 2011, 10:36:00 AM
That is an awesome photo!!

Thank you for sharing it with us(especially me)

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: highnoonhunter on March 18, 2011, 10:50:00 AM
Hey I didn't know Howard shot right handed AND left handed!  :)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Kelly on March 18, 2011, 11:26:00 AM
Good one, Rik!  :)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Overspined on March 18, 2011, 11:27:00 AM
lol highnoon...
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Post by: Ringneck on March 18, 2011, 11:59:00 AM
:notworthy:  Good one, Rik!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on March 18, 2011, 12:03:00 PM
Rik, that made my day! That is great!   :clapper:  
You may have inadvertently started a new concept there.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Blake Dustin Adams on March 18, 2011, 12:41:00 PM
Funny thing was Howard did shoot lefty too.  I don't think I've seen any pics of it but I have seen it on film.
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Post by: Mudd on March 18, 2011, 12:59:00 PM
Ok !!!!  lol      :knothead:      :knothead:  

Now that it's been explained to me, I get it...lol


God bless,Mudd
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Post by: leatherneck on March 18, 2011, 01:43:00 PM
Roy,Roy,Roy-  :nono:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Nate Steen . on March 18, 2011, 02:34:00 PM
great photo Rik,

this pic definately shows Hill's superiority in hunting dangerous game...no camo, no hat, no facepaint, a backquiver....  or maybe he was just a better shot than you and killed his game from 50 yards where it was safe and you had to make up for your lack of accuracy by getting within 8 feet for a killing shot....lol

I think the smile on his face proves that he thinks your getup is hilarious, especially the bowquiver.....  :laughing:    :laughing:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: OP-archer on March 18, 2011, 03:52:00 PM
Rik, a most excellent photo.  Will you also please post your picture with Howard and Errol Flynn from the Adventures of Robin Hood?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rik on March 18, 2011, 05:31:00 PM
Well, during filming of The Adventures of Robin Hood, I tried to stay away from the cameras as much as possible.

However, they did get one not-so-great snapshot of me (Nate, close your ears) advising Howard how he and Errol wouldn't have to sharpen their broadheads nearly as often if they would just use one of my custom bow quivers. . .

 (http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt252/Rikhinton/howard_hill_Erroll_Flynn_and_Rik.jpg)
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Post by: Wannabe1 on March 18, 2011, 05:44:00 PM
:laughing:     :laughing:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on March 18, 2011, 05:46:00 PM
:laughing:    :laughing:  
Killin me! That's great!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on March 18, 2011, 05:59:00 PM
Rik, those pics are way funny.  Had no idea you hob-nobbed with the rich and famous.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Nate Steen . on March 18, 2011, 06:00:00 PM
Alright Rik,

I laughed big time  :laughing:  over that one....you got me....

I still think Howard would have rolled his eyes at you....  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on March 18, 2011, 06:40:00 PM
That's a hoot!!

Very creative!!

I could use some lessons in photoshop...lol

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: OP-archer on March 18, 2011, 06:58:00 PM
THAT'S FUNNY!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: David Mitchell on March 18, 2011, 08:07:00 PM
Mudd, what do you mean "photoshop"?  Rik is just a LOT older than we thought!  :readit:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 18, 2011, 08:13:00 PM
Mudd was there with with Howard and, Rik, and Errol when that pic was taken.  He had just presented Errol with one of the "Mudds Merry Men" hats.
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Post by: tradlongbow on March 18, 2011, 09:18:00 PM
That's Funnyyy...

Darren
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Jesse_83 on March 19, 2011, 01:26:00 AM
I was wondering if any HH bow owners could give me the circumference of a stock traditional handle.  
Thanks!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: tg2nd on March 19, 2011, 04:11:00 AM
Good one Rik!
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: far rider on March 19, 2011, 09:13:00 AM
Jesse_83
I measured a couple of mine, which have the dished grip and just below the arrow shelf it measured 5 1/2" , and in the throat of the dished section about 5 1/4" circumference. Hope that helps.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: canopyboy on March 19, 2011, 09:29:00 AM
So I went out this beautiful Saturday morning before the kids were up to sling a couple arrows with my Owl.  The sunlight caught the wood, and I realized I never posted pics of the finished bow (just the blank in progress.)  So here we go:

   (http://images.imagelinky.com/1300540862.jpg)  

She was ordered at 55# @ 29", but scales at 62#.  Osage, boo, osage with a coco riser.

   (http://images.imagelinky.com/1300540967.jpg)

   (http://images.imagelinky.com/1300540994.jpg)

I haven't been able to bring myself to cover the wood in a wrap, I just like it too much.  (We'll see what happens this summer when I have sweat to deal with.)  I did slightly shape the back of the riser to fit my grip though.  And you can see that's it's been through some use already and could use a good rub down.

   (http://images.imagelinky.com/1300541080.jpg)

Some pictures that really show off the wood:

   (http://images.imagelinky.com/1300541178.jpg)

Sharpie doesn't look the best for writing on bows, I will probably re-scribe at some point.  Perhaps when I tweak the grip just a bit more.  My daughters helped with the name for my owl.  (Might have been more fitting with white glass or all boo.)  

   (http://images.imagelinky.com/1300541284.jpg)
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Post by: leatherneck on March 19, 2011, 09:38:00 AM
Very nice job David.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Mudd on March 19, 2011, 09:43:00 AM
That's cool David!!

How much sanding does it take to g work down a bow blank. Does it come tillered?

I am considering the defying of drs orders and giving one a try.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: canopyboy on March 19, 2011, 09:46:00 AM
I can't help but to add a little story to the pics.  You guys infected me back in December and I ordered up the blank not long before this thread started.  I was lucky enough to pick up the blank in person from Craig and Jason, hold Robin Hood #1 in my hands, pet the elephant foot umbrella stand, etc.  I made a string for it that night at my sisters and shot some arrows off my knuckle into a snow bank with it in Missoula.  They went a bit left...  Took me 20 minutes to dig them back out.

The bow made it home to VA a week later, but with home construction, trying squeeze in some hunting, it didn't really do much until the end of January when I glued some antler tips on and started work.

Needed a new string, since pulling on the first one with unfinished string grooves quickly frayed it.  I just couldn't bring myself to cover up the wood, and found I didn't need to yet.  I would like to try someone's with a wrap to see if it makes life better or not.

The bow scaled in at 62# instead of the ordered 55#.  I'm still a newbie, and I had been shooting a 45# recurve (that actually measures about 49#).  13# is quite a jump, especially combined with a whole new style of bow.  I could barely keep the arrows in the hay bale at 20 yards.  I began to wonder what kind of Koolaid you guys were drinking.

But I loved the simplicity and beauty of the bow, not to mention how light it was.  Time to persevere.  I figured I'd give it at least 6 months of daily dedication and see what happens.  

With some advice I just tried to take it easy and get stronger and concentrate on form.  I'm finally starting to form groups again, but I'm still a long way from where I was with my recurve.  (The carbon is a stumping arrow thrown in from 20 yds.)

   (http://images.imagelinky.com/1300541924.jpg)

I also managed to get a couple pics at full draw.  Don't judge my form too harshly, it's hard for my puny muscles to hold this bow at anchor while waiting for the camera timer to go off.     :help:

   (http://images.imagelinky.com/1300542027.jpg)

   (http://images.imagelinky.com/1300542047.jpg)

   (http://images.imagelinky.com/1300542087.jpg)
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 19, 2011, 09:48:00 AM
beautiful job, david.

what finish did you use?
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: canopyboy on March 19, 2011, 09:50:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Mudd:
That's cool David!!

How much sanding does it take to g work down a bow blank. Does it come tillered?

I am considering the defying of drs orders and giving one a try.

God bless,Mudd
First - Careful about defying doctors' orders.  You don't want to prolong a recovery.  That said, they're only human themselves...

Second - The blanks come tillered.  I'm guessing Craig expects a lot more sanding, but the instructions say to be careful to preserve the tiller.  So I only sanded enough get rid of the scratch marks, round the edges, and get the handle to the right shape.  Wasn't bad.  He leaves you a line where the shelf belongs and as long as you're not in a hurry it seems like it's pretty foolproof.

That said, I'd like to buy one finished by Craig next time, if nothing else than for comparison.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: canopyboy on March 19, 2011, 09:53:00 AM
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
beautiful job, david.

what finish did you use?
Water-based poly.  I use it for almost everything now days.  Had no problem with the cocobola, easy to work with, etc.  The only thing I'll say is it seems to dry/cure in two stages.  To the touch in hours.  To the point where it's fully hardened and durable it seems to take a week or so.
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: on March 19, 2011, 10:01:00 AM
Awesome bow David!  Pretty cocobolo.
Good shootin too!!

   :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
Post by: SpankyNeal on March 19, 2011, 10:08:00 AM
Very nice job David! Your form looks pretty good to me.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
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