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Title: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on December 28, 2005, 12:19:00 PM
I had an idea last night about the yew board being given away. . . I was too late.  SOOOOOO,

Here's the plan if I can get some other bowyers to chip in.

Bamboo backed, osage or yew, right and left handed, R/D, 50 #s, 64", exotic handle, power lam and underlays.

I'll supply the bamboo and do the glue up if others will donate the other parts.  

Then we could pass it around, tillering and finishing, etc.  All done with build along pics for a thread on the TradGang. Getting it done in time for the auction.

What do you think?

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on December 28, 2005, 12:27:00 PM
I'd be happy to do some horn limb tips, dye job, or something. What do you have in mind for the "exotic" handle?
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on December 28, 2005, 12:30:00 PM
Tom,

I don't know, something special for sure.  Let's see what people have in the shop.

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dave Bulla on December 28, 2005, 12:56:00 PM
Sounds like a great idea Mike.  Wish I was good enough to help but the only thing I can think of that I could do to contribute would be a leather overlay and/or shelf for the handle.  You know, the super glue and leather type I do.  Of course it would probably get covered up with a leather wrap....
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: AZStickman on December 28, 2005, 01:13:00 PM
I'm a bit short on materials to donate but would be glad to help with tillering.... Terry
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on December 28, 2005, 01:26:00 PM
Hey, maybe the handle could be several contrasting lams or something pretty that you wouldn't wanna cover up and Dave could do some double rests that blend down into what looks like leather side inserts and maybe there's a checkering or carving expert among us to dress up the wood part of the riser? See where this is going? Be creative!
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: tuselton on December 28, 2005, 01:31:00 PM
Mike,
   I offered an Osage stave on the other thread. Offer is still good.

Your Friend in Sport,
Terry L. Uselton
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on December 28, 2005, 02:01:00 PM
Yes, there should be some arras.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Littlefeather on December 28, 2005, 02:04:00 PM
I'd be glad to do the finish work. I can also apply snake skins then do the finish work. Of course, that would hide the beautiful boo.  Let me know. CK
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on December 28, 2005, 02:51:00 PM
Ok, stuff is coming together.  Anybody got any snakewood or something else really special?

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Skinny Little Runt on December 28, 2005, 03:09:00 PM
Littlefeather, how about skins from the grip tapering to the first node? and maybe a slab of antler on the back of the riser, could look like ivory. Then the skrimshaw!!
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Littlefeather on December 28, 2005, 05:24:00 PM
I have snakewood. I only have a piece about a foot long, 2" wide and maybe 3/32" thick. It would make beautiful handle overlay material. I'll donate it. CK
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Mike Byrge@home on December 28, 2005, 05:53:00 PM
Wingnut - Tim Clark is gonna give the yew for the St.Jude's bow.

Hope it will work..
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Timo on December 28, 2005, 07:11:00 PM
Got plenty of grass carp skins.You all seen what they looked like on Johns bow at the last jam?
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: the Ferret on December 28, 2005, 07:23:00 PM
What can I do?
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: AZStickman on December 28, 2005, 07:30:00 PM
Mickey I remember the last time you worked with Yew dust and the reaction you had.... We want you around and healthy for a long time to come.....Maybe The tradgang bowyers could do two bows this year.... The BBY and a carp skin backed Osage Selfbow.....We could do the build alongs at the same time with both teams showing their work as we go..... Terry

PS.... Having never myself ever built a BB anything I'd feel more competent helping with the Osage Selfbow project and letting someone with more experience with the BB bows jump on the BBY team.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on December 28, 2005, 08:06:00 PM
Terry,

That's a good idea!!  You want to coordinate the Selfbow Project?  I'll do the BBY project coordination.

Timo,

Them carp skins sure look good on the back of the bamboo.  I built one for myself a couple of years back and ended up breaking the bow.  Bummer!
Anyway if you could install them too.

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Timo on December 28, 2005, 08:09:00 PM
Sure thing Mike.I have several sets in the freezer.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on December 28, 2005, 08:32:00 PM
That's cool Timo.  

Thanks,

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dano on December 28, 2005, 08:34:00 PM
If I can help let me know.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Bigriver on December 28, 2005, 08:35:00 PM
I would love to finish one of the bows. It is the only thing I am any good at, I promise it would be special.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: AZStickman on December 28, 2005, 08:58:00 PM
Mike I'd be glad to head up Team Osage....I'll start another thread so we can keep our volunteers straight......Terry
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on December 28, 2005, 10:10:00 PM
Ok, here's what we have so far.

Mike/Tim - Yew board
Tonkin Bamboo Back
Timo - carp skins
CK - snakewood overlay or underlay
Tom - horn tips
Dave Bulla - Leather L/R arrow rest

The board will be heading my way later in the week so I can get it cut, spliced, tapered and ready for glue up.

Anyone have a hankerin to do some tillerin?

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Timo on December 28, 2005, 10:12:00 PM
Give ole JD or JBS a buzz,I'm sure one of them boys can handle it?  :wavey:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: horseapple on December 28, 2005, 10:12:00 PM
Mike, count me in for whatever you need.

Joe Don
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Timo on December 28, 2005, 10:13:00 PM
Man that was quick!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: '46 on December 29, 2005, 12:21:00 AM
can tiller or whatever you might need Mike.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: clintopher on December 29, 2005, 02:38:00 AM
What an awesome undertaking.  This underqualified wood hack will be watching anxiously.

Clint
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on December 29, 2005, 05:21:00 AM
Both bows will need cool socks and a string keeper. I can incorporate a string keeper hole in the BBY horn tip easy enough but a cool leather one for the selfbow would be nice. Matching armguards anyone? Lance? New Guy?
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on December 29, 2005, 09:02:00 AM
Ok, this is coming around.  Man Terry is snatching team members left and right.  

Team BBY so far:

Mike/Tim - Yew board
CK - snakewood overlay or underlay
Wingnut- Tonkin Bamboo Back and glue up
JD - tiller
Tom - horn tips with string keeper
Timo - carp skins
Dave Bulla - Leather L/R arrow rest
CK - finish work


Did I forget anyone?

The board will be heading my way later in the week so I can get it cut, spliced, tapered and ready for glue up.
As soon as I get the stuff I will establish a timeline to get this stuff done in time.

When is the auction?

Going to need some arrows, bow sock, etc.

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Skinny Little Runt on December 29, 2005, 09:28:00 AM
Mike If you need a doz self nocks I can handle that. Just need approx spine.
Chuck
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Littlefeather on December 29, 2005, 09:32:00 AM
Wow! This is going to be very, very cool! CK
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on December 29, 2005, 09:33:00 AM
SLR,

We are going to bring the bow in at 50 plus or minus a couple.  So 50-55 should be perfect.

Thanks,

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tim Clark on December 29, 2005, 10:17:00 AM
um, Mike? Glad to see that level of confidence! I'm doubly glad it's you and not me - the word, "try," would have been in there if it were me!   :bigsmyl:  

I have no doubt that it will.

God Bless.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Skinny Little Runt on December 29, 2005, 10:45:00 AM
I'll plan on 50-55 and leave them full lenght.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: John Sturtevant on December 29, 2005, 11:08:00 AM
Mike, glad to help if you need any.  Could add some handle and tip underlays….or maybe a horn belly if you want one?
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dano on December 29, 2005, 11:19:00 AM
Mike, I will make a bow sock for this bow as well if you need, I was planning on a fast flight string for the selfbow, do you need a string for this bow?
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: ber643 on December 29, 2005, 11:50:00 AM
I can tell right now this is going to be another of those bows that are to "rich" for my budget - but, bless you all, don't I love the idea of it! It's gotta be a winner.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on December 29, 2005, 12:25:00 PM
John,

A horn belly would sure push the price up at the auction.  When do you want the bow in the process and at what weight?  I'll get it glued and such send it to him to get the tiller and weight ready for you to add the horn.  How's that sound?

Dano,

A sock and string would be great.

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on December 29, 2005, 01:03:00 PM
John Scifres has agreed to chronicle both builds on his site. If you have the ability to send him pics and text of your work, please do so as you go.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: John Sturtevant on December 29, 2005, 01:34:00 PM
Mike, all JD needs to do is get it perfectly tillered to exactly 9.23#’s under the target weight, and maintain a fairly flat belly.  I'll try not to screw it up.   :)
Suspect the BB/Yew/horn may be a nice combination.
What will you use for handle material?
Snakewood underlays on the tips?
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on December 29, 2005, 01:39:00 PM
John,

I have some snakewood coming from CK that will handle the underlays.  What do you think would look good in the handle?

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: John Scifres on December 29, 2005, 02:34:00 PM
The auction was in June last year if'n I remember right.  Maybe July.  I remember the closing conflicted with either Cloverdale or MOJam???  Anyways, we got some time.  Send any pics and or stories/text to j.scifres@sbcglobal.net
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Littlefeather on December 29, 2005, 03:03:00 PM
Mojam! I remember well. A number of us were there. CK
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Jason Jelinek on December 29, 2005, 03:55:00 PM
Why use yew in the middle if you're going to put horn on the belly?

The whole idea about using yew is to give it a belly that is more elastic in compression than most other woods.  Putting horn on it already does that, so why waste the yew in the middle.

I would suggest putting something that isn't as precious as yew between the bamboo and horn.

Just my 2 cents.

Jason
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on December 29, 2005, 04:42:00 PM
Jason,

The horn will add a bit of fire to the combination.  It will be probably .080 and add a few pounds.  The yew will still be doing work and will make for a very light in the hand super fast wood bow.

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Jason Jelinek on December 29, 2005, 04:47:00 PM
0.04" of fiberglass on a longbow belly will prevent set for most bows up to 50#.  0.08" of horn will probably help prevent most of the set.  Any light (in mass) core would probably do as well as yew in that combination.

How much set (difference between finished profile and glued up profile) do you get on your horn bellied bows?  Is it less than if you just used wood?

Jason
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Jason Jelinek on December 29, 2005, 04:53:00 PM
By the way, I'm not criticizing, I'd just like to know a little more about what having a horn belly does to the performance of a longbow.

Jason
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on December 29, 2005, 04:53:00 PM
Jason,

The horn bellies have about half the set of the all wood bows.  Or from a different view, they retain twice as much reflex.

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Jason Jelinek on December 29, 2005, 05:04:00 PM
I would guess that the extra zip from the horn is primarily from the increased stored energy (better f-d curve).

It would be interesting to see if you would get the same performance using a horn-bellied bow with a lesser quality core wood (in compression) like walnut or red elm and still get near the performance as a horn-bellied bow with osage, yew, or bulletwood core.

Thanks for the info Mike!

Jason
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on December 29, 2005, 05:21:00 PM
I can tell you that the better the quality of the core wood the better the bow.  I have added a maple core to my windtalker bow and am lowering the base price.  It is not as soft or as fast as Tonkin Bamboo but is still very good. I have used yew, osage, bulletwood, maple and bamboo and can say for a fact that they each have there own characteristics and produce a different feel and performance.

Now horn is new to us and we only have a few bows built.  But it is smokin hot for a natural material and really whistles the arrows.

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Pinecone on December 29, 2005, 05:58:00 PM
I don't build bows, so I can't help there.  But, I am a trained bidder and if this bow comes in at around 50# you can count on me to be cranking up the bidding!!!  Heck, I may crank it up even it isn't 50#!  This is a great project ya'll and Mike, you deserve an A++ for a fantastic idea   :D
Just wish June would be here a little sooner....

Claudia
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dano on December 29, 2005, 06:32:00 PM
Claudia, these bows will generate a real bidding frenzy. I can't compete, but sure love to watch  ;)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on December 29, 2005, 06:36:00 PM
Claudia,

With the horn we might even bring it in in the high 40s.  It will shoot like a 55+ BBO and a 60+ selfbow.

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: AZStickman on December 29, 2005, 07:37:00 PM
Dang Mike that's going to be one heck of a bow... What a great team of guys.....  :thumbsup:  Terry
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Pinecone on December 29, 2005, 08:48:00 PM
Now Mike...that will truly be a tempting treat!  I guess I better start saving for the big event  "[laffsmyl]"  I can't wait!!!!

Claudia
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: rainman on December 30, 2005, 12:09:00 AM
Mike I will go look for some Wood for the handle tomorrow. I will see if I can find some more Olive wood.  What size piece do you need for your handles?
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on December 30, 2005, 09:10:00 AM
Dan,

The handle on this one is 1"x 2"x 12".

Thanks,

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on December 30, 2005, 08:07:00 PM
Got an email from Mike that the yew board is on it's way.  So the journey begins.

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Timo on December 30, 2005, 11:07:00 PM
Mike, just wonderin how the different "sessions" will be lined up?

The skins really need to go on after the overlays,(tips)and just before the finish.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on December 31, 2005, 09:07:00 AM
Here's the batting order for this soon to be great bow and build along.

1)  Yew board - Mike/Tim
2)  glue up with Tonkin Bamboo Back  - Wingnut
3)  tiller to 40s flat belly - JD  
4)  Add horn belly,snakewood underlay and final tiller - John S
5)  horn tips with string keeper - Tom
6)  Leather L/R arrow rest - Dave Bulla
7)  Timo - carp skins
8)  finish work - CK  
9)  Bow sock and string - Dano
10) Self nock arrows - SLR

Any additions or changes required?

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Timo on December 31, 2005, 09:09:00 AM
# 11: everyone start saving your money NOW!   :readit:

Somewere it was mentioned about a armguard? I talked with New guy last night, and he said that he could doit if needed?
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on January 04, 2006, 04:23:00 PM
Well a couple of things have happened since I last posted on this thread.

Dan Raney donated a piece of snakewood for the handle to go with the underlays.

The yew board arrived here in Texas safe and sound.


I'll start the bow and the pics tomorrow.

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: kojac on January 04, 2006, 05:00:00 PM
I've been reading this and was wondering if olive wood is the same as we here in montana call russian olive. If it is I could send you some russian olive 1x2x12.  This stuff does have some great dark and lite colors

sure sounds like the makings of a great bow

brian
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on January 04, 2006, 05:40:00 PM
brian,

I think we have all the makings now.  Thanks for the offer.  Russian olive is some very nice stuff.

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Littlefeather on January 05, 2006, 06:44:00 AM
Mike, Call me today when you have time. I didn't get the shipping address for the Snakewood. I'll just bring it on the 22nd if it can wait. CK
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on January 05, 2006, 11:04:00 AM
Curtis,

Send it to:


Mike Westvang
Dryad Bows
231 rambling loop
weatherford, TX 76087

Thanks,

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: John Scifres on January 05, 2006, 11:18:00 AM
If anyone wants to send me pics and the story, I'll post it on my website.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on January 05, 2006, 11:54:00 AM
Thanks for the reminder John.  I'm on my way out to take pics as I type.

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on January 05, 2006, 01:10:00 PM
I recieved the yew board yesterday and without thinking went out and trimmed it up and cut two 1 3/4"X 36" x 1' billets without taking pics.

Here is a reenactment:  LOL

  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd1.jpg)

cut in half:
 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd2.jpg)

selected billet:

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd3.jpg)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on January 05, 2006, 01:14:00 PM
Looks like we can rip each piece on an angle and get two bows.  Here we mark 3/8 on one end and 1/2 on the other and draw a line.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd4.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd5.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd6.jpg)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on January 05, 2006, 01:15:00 PM
With the line drawn we can free hand it on the bandsaw and get it ready for the drum sander and the taper board.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd7.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd8.jpg)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on January 05, 2006, 01:18:00 PM
My drum sander is in the shop so they will have to wait til I can go up to Mark Hornes and use his.

In the mean time we need a bamboo back.

We lay out the outline using the pattern on the selected piece.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd9.jpg)

Now cut outside the line 1/16 or so with the bandsaw.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd10.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd11.jpg)

rip the bamboo to thin it a bit.  (BE CAREFUL!!)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd12.jpg)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on January 05, 2006, 01:22:00 PM
Now off to the big sander for some reduction.

first square to the handle lines

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd13.jpg)

Then the limb taper

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd14.jpg)

Now thin to about 1/32"

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd15.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/yewbrd16.jpg)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on January 05, 2006, 01:23:00 PM
That's it for now, gotta work on a customers bow.

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: John Sturtevant on January 05, 2006, 01:25:00 PM
Mike, I’m going to enjoy seeing the pics as you go move thru the process.

Glad to see you’re wearing a dust mask.

Your gloves appear to be getting a little thin on the fingers?
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Littlefeather on January 05, 2006, 01:29:00 PM
Gloves? Heck John, That's nothing but slight wear. Have you seen his hat? Nothing left but a raggedy band left. LOL!
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Mike Byrge on January 05, 2006, 03:02:00 PM
I'm glad the yew is going to work..I was kind of nervous about it.

Looks good so far
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dano on January 05, 2006, 03:41:00 PM
Nice pictorial so far Mike, thats cool you got two bows outa those pieces. I didn't see any Hawaiin camo wear but hey it is winter time.  :D
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Post by: wingnut on January 05, 2006, 03:49:00 PM
Actually Dano, I'm not getting two bows.  I thought I would saw the other piece and prep it then send it to the guy that was given the board then donated it.  Might have too add a lam to it but can get a yew bow too.

Mike
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Post by: JasonV on January 05, 2006, 04:11:00 PM
Mike, I hope your hands weren't in those gloves when the fingers "went missing".

Just a thought, but if someone put together a CD or a printout of the build-along for this bow and include it in the final package, it might be a nice bonus for the winning bidder.
If ya'll want, I could give it a try - but my computer savvy ends at smacking the monitor when it doesn't do what I want, so I might need to solicit help from someone with a bigger brain than mine....
Let me know.
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Post by: wingnut on January 05, 2006, 04:31:00 PM
Jason,

John Scifres is going to capture the build along on his website.  I don't know if I screwed it up by posting it here.  Hopefully he can capture it or I can send it to him.

Mike
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Post by: wingnut on January 10, 2006, 09:28:00 AM
Well I took the slat billets up to Marks with me the other day to taper (my drum sander is in the shop)with a weeks worth of lams and forgot my camera.  Got the "Z" splice done yesterday and glued it last night.  Pics soon.  Will clean it up and glue up the blank today.  Shape the handle and get it on this evening.

After a little clean up tomorrow it will be in the mail to JD.

I'll have pics of yesterdays and todays events.

Mike
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Post by: clintopher on January 10, 2006, 10:44:00 AM
Great pics Mike.  I'm not sure of the reason for marking the billets 1/2" on one side and 3/8" on the other.  Can you explain that?
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Post by: Tom Leemans on January 10, 2006, 10:46:00 AM
Rough taper Clint.
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Post by: clintopher on January 10, 2006, 10:50:00 AM
I thought of that, but I figured if Mike was using the drum sander to taper maybe it was something else.  Easier for a blade to take off wood than  sandpaper I guess.

Clint
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Post by: wingnut on January 10, 2006, 11:09:00 AM
Yep Tom hit it.  With the 1" slat if we ripped it down the middle we would have ended up with 7/16 after the kerf.  This way we have a rough taper of approx .002 / inch and a full 1/2".

When we run it though on the taper board, two swipes and it's clean and ready.

Mike
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Post by: wingnut on January 10, 2006, 01:43:00 PM
Now that the board is ripped and the bamboo done, we need to get the taper on the board exact.  I took it to Mark Hornes shop because my drum sander is being repaired.  Forgot my camera. .Sorry.

Anyway now we need to do the "Z" splice.

We taped the slats together so that the tapered sides were mated in the center and measured and marked the 4" line for the splice.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd18.jpg)

Using the calipers we marked the center of the board at the end and the 4" line and drew a line.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd19.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd20.jpg)

We then mark the angles from center to edge and from point to center.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd21.jpg)

It should look like this:

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd23.jpg)
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Post by: wingnut on January 10, 2006, 01:51:00 PM
Now we have to cut the waste pieces out. notice the "x" showing the waste.

On the center line you want to cut the center out of it.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd24.jpg)

The angle cuts stay on the waste side for a good fit.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd25.jpg)

WHen your done it looks like this:

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd26.jpg)

Mix a little Urac 185 and get a good coat on all mated edges.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd27.jpg)

I use a board to clamp too that is 1/8" narrower then the board and use plastic wrap to keep glue from getting all over.

The first clamp fastens one end to our board. tap the second piece gently into place and use a second clamp to hold it down.  Wrap the plastic wrap over and the board and use your fingers to make sure the splice is down and in place.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd28.jpg)

Add 3 or more clamps to hold from the sides.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd29.jpg)

In the hot box and it's done in a couple of hours.
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Post by: wingnut on January 10, 2006, 01:57:00 PM
After the hotbox, we remove the clamps and plastic wrap and we have this:

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd30.jpg)

A little cleanup on the big sander

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd31.jpg)

And it looks like this

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd32.jpg)

Here is the slat, bamboo and powerlam (I know I forget to show building the powerlam) ready for glue up.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd33.jpg)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on January 10, 2006, 01:58:00 PM
Gotta mix glue.  We'll take some pics as we get that part done too.

Mike
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Post by: TexMex on January 10, 2006, 02:16:00 PM
Looking good. What be the dimensions of the powerlam?
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Post by: Orso on January 10, 2006, 02:19:00 PM
Mike,

Somewhere down the road or maybe on a seperate thread would you please post a pic of your taperboard and how you use it???

What a great thread this is.

Thanks,
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on January 10, 2006, 03:09:00 PM
Power lam is approx 3/16 in the center tapered to a feather edge.

Mike,

I could show ya but then I'd have to kill ya.

LOL

Mike
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Post by: wingnut on January 10, 2006, 03:34:00 PM
Ok, glues mixed and time to make a bow.

First get slat laid out center and straight on the jig.  Then apply an even layer of Urac 185 with the handy dandy paint brush.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd34.jpg)

Do the same for the power lam

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd35.jpg)

And bamboo, then set the pwer lam and bamboo center on the slat.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd36.jpg)

Tape it in place at the contact points.  Put a clamp every two inches or so with a pressure plate.  It looks like this:

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd37.jpg)

Then in the box it goes

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd38.jpg)

Notice it's bunk mate.  First edition 58" contest bow.  LOL

Mike
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Post by: wingnut on January 10, 2006, 07:59:00 PM
Dang I can't believe this is dropping like a rock.  I put to much time in doing the build along for this.

LOL

Mike
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Post by: Tim Clark on January 10, 2006, 08:19:00 PM
The next best thing to being there! Literally, build-"along."


 
Quote
Originally posted by wingnut:
Dang I can't believe this is dropping like a rock.  I put to much time in doing the build along for this.

LOL

Mike
????  What's dropping like a rock?

Fascinating... I don't use power tools much at all, so to watch you (well, to see the pics I should say), it really is fascinating how precise they make it all come out. Lotta skill there, too!

Fingers -- yeah, I like to keep them -- a LOT farther away from spinning blades than that! lol!

Terrific, Mike, and thank you for it all. This is the sort of thing that gives a fella goosebumps.

God Bless!
 - Tim
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Post by: AZStickman on January 10, 2006, 08:19:00 PM
Dang bud thats gonna be one nice bow....But I don't think that Torges Contest bow will be very quiet in the hand... ya might just want to send it out to me and I'll save ya the trouble of tillering it.....  :D  Terry
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Post by: Hunter John on January 10, 2006, 09:38:00 PM
Dang this is awesome.aAs someone who aspires to build bows this info is priceless.TTT

John
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Post by: horseapple on January 10, 2006, 11:57:00 PM
ttt  Mike, enjoyed visiting with you and Connie this weekend, was really impressed with your shop and the quality of bows that your building.  You got me fired up about building bows and I don't even make them in the winter:)
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Post by: rainman on January 11, 2006, 12:07:00 AM
Hey J.D. how's it goin?  Mike is make some pretty neat bows.  I plan on being at Ojam this year are you going to make it?

Dan Raney
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Post by: horseapple on January 11, 2006, 12:32:00 AM
You bet Dan, I'll be there, its kindof a nice weather change from mojam:)
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Post by: Tom Leemans on January 11, 2006, 08:33:00 AM
Can't wait to see this bow come my way Mike.

p.s. Your short bow is slightly different from what I have in mind, but I won't say how. Remember ya gotta string that thing laying down.  :help:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: tmccall on January 11, 2006, 08:43:00 AM
Looking Good!!!!  I can't wait to watch this thing go in the auction!
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Post by: John Sturtevant on January 11, 2006, 08:51:00 AM
Hey Mike, it’s looking good.   Looking forward to seeing the side profile pics.

What did you use for a center lam?
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Post by: wingnut on January 11, 2006, 08:59:00 AM
John,

I had a piece of yew that I used for the power lam.  Wanted to stay with the softness of the yew.

Mike
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Post by: JasonV on January 11, 2006, 09:44:00 AM
I don't build bows, and I'm sure I never will - but this is still an awesome thread - REALLY interesting to "watch" it come together.

Thanks for taking the extra time to share it with us.

(And by the time this thing gets to the auction there's gonna be a feeding frenzy - I better ask for a raise in my allowance and start saving now...)
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Post by: tmccall on January 11, 2006, 09:50:00 AM
Guys there have been several different ideas posted concerning some type of pictoral cd or journal to go along with this bow in the auction.  If you would like I can produce a DVD from the build-a-long pics.  The DVD wouldn't require a computer, could be played on any DVD player and could have a musical score to accompany the photos...    What do you think?
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on January 11, 2006, 11:21:00 AM
Tony,

That's a great idea.

Thanks,

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on January 11, 2006, 11:43:00 AM
Here we go again:

Pulled it out of the jig, here is what it looks like:

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd39.jpg)

the profile:

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd40.jpg)

clean up the glue bulbs

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd41.jpg)

running the snakewood on the handle jig

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd42.jpg)

working on the pattern sander

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd43.jpg)

ready for more glue

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd44.jpg)
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Post by: tmccall on January 11, 2006, 12:01:00 PM
Looks great!
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Post by: Shaun on January 11, 2006, 12:18:00 PM
I bid $250 to get things started, no wait, its not till June.

Thanks for sharing the process. Makes me want to make dust too. Lookin good Mike.
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Post by: Orso on January 11, 2006, 01:02:00 PM
Though I haven't made a laminated bow yet, I'm still working on becoming just adequate on the tillering stage, I really can't wait to start!!

This has been one of the best build-a-longs, in my opinion, yet.

Shaun, I know if guys start bidding early someone of authority is going to jump in and tell everyone to wait for the official thread....So I wouldn't want to follow up your bid with lets say $275.  But when the bidding does open up, I'm in it for at least that!!

Keep this thread going, I can't wait to see its next stop along becoming a bow.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on January 11, 2006, 01:22:00 PM
This is gonna be a pretty bow.
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Post by: clintopher on January 11, 2006, 01:28:00 PM
Mike,

It's looking good bud.  I like the idea of a handle jig.  The hardest part of building a bow for me is fitting the handle.  I like to cheat by gluing up 4 or 5 thin lams.  Conforms right to the riser area and looks cool too.  It is limiting though.  Is your jig adjustable?  Got any pics of just the jig you wouldn't mind sharing?

Clint
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Post by: Timo on January 11, 2006, 05:39:00 PM
Good stuff Mike. It's a joy  to have you guys taking the time to post all the pics. It's a bother,but all those with interest,will benifit.

Can't wait for my turn.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on January 11, 2006, 06:55:00 PM
just pulled it out of the hot box for the last time.  Looks good!  Now JD do you want it square or trimmed up.

How about the handle?  Same question.

Mike
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Post by: horseapple on January 11, 2006, 07:52:00 PM
Mike, go ahead and put the hourglass shape on the handle and leave the limbs square, I'm looking forward to getting my hands on this sucker:)

Joe Don
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Post by: Buffler Razz on January 11, 2006, 08:22:00 PM
I'm dyin looking at these. I need to get to my boss for a big raise.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on January 12, 2006, 10:42:00 AM
Well I don't follow instructions well.  Actually I had to take the limbs down to about 1/8 outside the bamboo to use the handle jig on the pattern sander.  I also went ahead and put the fade slope in flat so it will receive the horn.  You can do your thing now.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd45.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd46.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd47.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd48.jpg)

Mike
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Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 12, 2006, 03:12:00 PM
Looking good already  :)
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Post by: John Scifres on January 12, 2006, 09:04:00 PM
Here\\'s the Webpage (http://residents.bowhunting.net/sticknstring/sjbby.html)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Holm-Made on January 13, 2006, 12:23:00 AM
Great now I see what your doing with that power wedge.  I thought that was it but wasn't sure.  Thanks for taking the time for the great pictures.  Chad
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Post by: AZStickman on January 13, 2006, 07:44:00 AM
John you've been busy for sure....  :thumbsup:  Terry
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on January 13, 2006, 07:49:00 AM
John,

Very nice bud!!  BTW, John Sturtevant is doing the horn and stuff.

Thanks,

Terry,

Any chance at getting the build alongs for st judes tacked to the top for a while.

Mike
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Post by: Littlefeather on January 13, 2006, 09:25:00 AM
Mike, did you get my package? Is it too thin to work? Seen ya next weekend. CK
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on January 13, 2006, 09:31:00 AM
CK,

Got it and it is perfect.  See ya next week.

Mike
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Post by: On Fire aka Charlie on January 14, 2006, 11:42:00 PM
ttt
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Post by: mike hall on January 15, 2006, 06:39:00 AM
Nice work Mike ......Thanks for sharing.

  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: ber643 on January 15, 2006, 07:15:00 AM
Oh, I do like Bamboo.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dano on January 15, 2006, 08:20:00 AM
Nice work Wingnutty, Hey who does the clean up in your shop?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on January 15, 2006, 08:31:00 AM
Dano,

Jason and I clean it on Thursday mornings every week.  I do make a mess though.

Mike
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Post by: Dano on January 15, 2006, 08:39:00 AM
:bigsmyl:  If your shop was clean, I'd begin ta wonder about you guy's
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Post by: wingnut on January 15, 2006, 08:42:00 AM
Hey I just looked at the pics.  Connie was not supposed to show that work bench.  It is the famous "flat spot" where everything get piled.

I know what's there though.

Besides a clean shop is the sign of a sick mind.  Look at Mickey.

Mike
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Post by: the Ferret on January 15, 2006, 09:38:00 PM
HEY HEY HEY .....
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Post by: wingnut on January 16, 2006, 07:20:00 AM
"HEY HEY HEY ....."

See what I mean.  LOL

For example, that is.  Not saying the Mickey has a sick mind, but he does have a clean shop.

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dano on January 16, 2006, 05:30:00 PM
:D   I leave a spot in my shop messy just so people won't think I'm sick.


or is it too late???  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Timo on January 16, 2006, 10:21:00 PM
Damo, We built Shane a bench/tiller tree,all in one, the other day. Pretty slick Idea. He's got it set up in his"shag carpet" room.....I swear that boy reminds me more and more of Cooter every day!

Just noticed I spelt your name wrong...I think I'll leave it!  :p
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dano on January 17, 2006, 07:20:00 AM
That's a more fitting name me thinks Timo. Shane is alot like Cooter, I ain't seen either one of them boys in a coons age.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Guru on January 18, 2006, 09:59:00 AM
This is awesome guys!!!

Mike from someone who knows what a pain it can be to post pix,I thank you for taking the time   :thumbsup:    :notworthy:    

This bow is gonna be something else, wish I had deeper pockets   :(
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on January 18, 2006, 01:45:00 PM
Just dropped the bow off at the PO.  should be in Ada, OK in a couple of days.  In time for a weekend build along.  Hint, hint.

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: '46 on January 18, 2006, 08:31:00 PM
Sweet bow     :thumbsup:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on January 19, 2006, 11:40:00 AM
Been thinkin about what to do with the horn nocks. Got me a cool idea this morning. Wait and see!  :saywhat:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Doug Campbell on January 19, 2006, 12:07:00 PM
Hey these St Jude bows and accessaries are fantastic and couldn't ask for a better bunch of Pro's to bring em around!! Thanks and looking forward to the finished products!!
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Lost Arra on January 19, 2006, 05:55:00 PM
When does the bidding start?
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on January 20, 2006, 07:18:00 AM
Is it there yet?  Dang it JD where are you boy?

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: horseapple on January 20, 2006, 09:25:00 AM
Yep it made it yesterday in two pieces.  I guess you better start on another one:)

Remember Texas still has the pony express it might take it a couple of weeks for them horses to make it.

No, It has not made it yet.  Let you know when it does.

Joe Don
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on January 20, 2006, 09:47:00 AM
Dang you!!  Don't do that to me!!

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: tmccall on January 20, 2006, 11:36:00 AM
LOL!!!  Thought we was gonna get to see Mike do it all over again!
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dano on January 20, 2006, 11:55:00 AM
:bigsmyl:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: John Sturtevant on January 20, 2006, 06:13:00 PM
Maybe you should glue up another one anyway Mike….in case JD does something goofy.   Or maybe I string it backwards or glue the horn on the wrong side.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on January 20, 2006, 06:52:00 PM
Hmmm, horn backed bamboo and yew.  I'm good with it.

LOL

John,

Did you get my email, I need your address so I can send the snakewood underlays.

Mike
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Post by: horseapple on January 21, 2006, 12:45:00 AM
Good thinking John:)  I'm picking the blank up tommorrow at the Post office.

Joe Don
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Post by: wingnut on January 22, 2006, 09:38:00 AM
Looks like we lost our nail to the top for some reason.  Oh well, I guess JD better get to work and keep this one on the first page.

Mike
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Post by: Terry Green on January 22, 2006, 09:38:00 AM
Keepers of the thread....please feel free to TTT this thread to keep it on the front page. I'm going to have to un-feature it so it wont be posted at the top.

Thanks,

Terry
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: AZStickman on January 22, 2006, 06:27:00 PM
Mike looks like the Selfbow team is hot on your heels..... I can't wait to see these finished bows... They're gonna be dandies.... Terry
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Post by: Guru on January 22, 2006, 09:17:00 PM
Lookin' forward to more guys..TTT
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Post by: cjones on January 22, 2006, 11:30:00 PM
ttt
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Post by: Tom Leemans on January 23, 2006, 08:29:00 AM
Ummmph... Up ya go!
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Post by: '46 on January 23, 2006, 04:12:00 PM
ttt
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: horseapple on January 23, 2006, 07:14:00 PM
Cleaning the edges, filing string nocks and hope to get it bending tonight, pictures will follow.

Joe Don
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dano on January 23, 2006, 08:10:00 PM
Mike, did you get my email about a pair of 6x80" sanding belts I need to get rid of? They are 100 grit.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on January 23, 2006, 08:20:00 PM
Dano, I think they will fit let me check.  If they will I'll take em off your hands.  In fact I need 100 grit and dont have one.

Mike

Mine is 6 x 89.  Dang it.  well better order some.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dano on January 23, 2006, 08:31:00 PM
Dang, that is a big sander. I'll find a good home for em.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: horseapple on January 24, 2006, 12:19:00 AM
Well it wasn't easy but I think its almost ready to ship to Sturtevant for the horn work, I've got the bow tillered to 44#@28" its got some swirly grain with dips and snakes, that in itself made it very touchy on the tillering job, thank goodness I have a belt sander to flatten the yew because it can't be done with a scraper, I'd have had so many dips in the wood it wouldn't have been good:)  Anyways heres some pictures showing what it looks like before tiller and after, the full draw pic is only to 27" and off to the side abit, was pulling back on the tiller rope with one hand and taking the snap shot with the other:)

first pic showing bamboo backing once I've sanded the rough texture
 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/horseapple/St%20Judes%20Bamboo%20Bow/MVC-003F.jpg)
first picture pulled back on the tillering stick, stiff at left limbs mid section
 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/horseapple/St%20Judes%20Bamboo%20Bow/MVC-005F.jpg)
second picture on the longstring, I took alittle yew off the left limb, know I'm ready for the short string
 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/horseapple/St%20Judes%20Bamboo%20Bow/MVC-006F.jpg)

first braced picture, not bad.
 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/horseapple/St%20Judes%20Bamboo%20Bow/MVC-007F.jpg)
picture showing string alignment, right down the middle:)
 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/horseapple/St%20Judes%20Bamboo%20Bow/MVC-009F.jpg)
I went ahead and braced it to about 5"
 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/horseapple/St%20Judes%20Bamboo%20Bow/MVC-010F.jpg)
first pull on the board, running 40#@15" we're looking for something in the 45-50# range @28"
 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/horseapple/St%20Judes%20Bamboo%20Bow/MVC-008F.jpg)
I'm finished for the night, this pictures is at 27" holding rope back with left hand taking picture with right, yep I'm coordinated:) but I'm off to the side abit and it looks alittle off.
 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/horseapple/St%20Judes%20Bamboo%20Bow/MVC-011F.jpg)

Joe Don
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Post by: Tom Leemans on January 24, 2006, 07:55:00 AM
I like your tillerin' chair.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on January 24, 2006, 08:03:00 AM
Little darlings taking shape.  Looks like John is up and the fun stuff begins.  Can you believe we get to watch to Zen master apply the horn and underlays.  Gotta remember to put the underlays in the mail today.

Anyway, it's already a special bow and it has hardly started it's journey for the kids at St. Judes.

You better save your $ for this one.

LOL

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: John Sturtevant on January 24, 2006, 08:57:00 AM
Looking very nice JD.   You and Mike are making this look easy.  Hope I don’t screw it up.   :)    

Mike, what finished weight were you thinking about?

JD, what is the length of the bow, n/n?
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on January 24, 2006, 09:34:00 AM
John,

Anywhere near 50 is fine.  Trying to get a weight that everyone can shoot so everyone can bid.  LOL

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on January 24, 2006, 02:43:00 PM
Hmmm... better go get some horn picked out for the tips.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: the Ferret on January 24, 2006, 02:56:00 PM
JD will you please explain the pyramid pattern and lines behind your tiller tree?
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Jason Jelinek on January 24, 2006, 03:12:00 PM
To me the pyramid pattern is used to see how even the limbs are bending in relation to each other.  Use the distance from the middle fo the limb to the line to determine the degree of bend.

I've used that same method but by putting the lines in afterwards using the Paint program.

Jason
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: horseapple on January 24, 2006, 07:46:00 PM
Hi Mickey,

By using the pyramid as a background I can see the shape of the limbs better than trying to concentrate on the peg board:) No really I saw this drawing once somewhere but can't remember when or who had it on there tillering tree, do you like it and does it show the bending of the limbs better for you?

Joe Don
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on January 25, 2006, 07:31:00 AM
I saw that on your pics the other day.  I like it.

Sure makes it easy to compare the limbs.

Mike
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Post by: AZStickman on January 25, 2006, 07:37:00 AM
That triangle is definitely cool..... How did you come up with its' dimensions?.... Great tiller JD.... Terry
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: horseapple on January 25, 2006, 09:49:00 AM
Terry, I'll have to measure when I get home from work but I do know that the first vertical line is @ 10" and the bottom one is at 14" Each corner of the bottom triangle is 30.5" from center, with pegboard its alot easier to get straight lines connecting each other, you can use a chalk line or long straight edge otherwise.

Joe Don
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: horseapple on January 26, 2006, 08:23:00 AM
Gonna send the bow to John friday or Monday.

Joe Don
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: John Sturtevant on January 26, 2006, 08:31:00 AM
It hasn't busted yet then?
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: horseapple on January 26, 2006, 08:50:00 AM
Not yet, know its your turn to do some magic:) e-mail me your address.

Joe Don
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: rainman on January 31, 2006, 10:18:00 PM
ttt

Dan Raney
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Post by: wingnut on February 01, 2006, 08:05:00 AM
Well does John have it yet?

LOL

Mike
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Post by: horseapple on February 01, 2006, 08:10:00 AM
Mike, you know me:) It'll get there when it gets there:)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on February 01, 2006, 09:03:00 AM
Hey as project coordinator, that is not acceptable behavior.  Do I need to give your wife a call and explain how you are holding up an effort that will benefit sick kids?

LOL

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on February 01, 2006, 09:07:00 AM
Wow! When it gets to me, I better work fast.  ;)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: John Sturtevant on February 07, 2006, 01:26:00 PM
JD says the bow is in the mail….so I should see it later this week.    Thought we could go ahead and get ready for it.

Will post some pics later.
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Post by: John Sturtevant on February 07, 2006, 01:27:00 PM
We’ll start by sorting thru the horn pile, then splitting them on the bandsaw.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/P1010025.jpg)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: John Sturtevant on February 07, 2006, 01:29:00 PM
Pile of horn after being split.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/P1010027.jpg)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: John Sturtevant on February 07, 2006, 01:31:00 PM
Sometimes you can discover cracks in the horn that are not noticeable from the outside.
We won’t use anything but the best horn we have for this special bow.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/P1010040.jpg)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: John Sturtevant on February 07, 2006, 01:32:00 PM
This is what I’m looking for.  Fresh horn that is nice and clean inside.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/P1010041.jpg)


More later today if I can.....
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on February 07, 2006, 01:43:00 PM
Cool, that's a dandy horn.  Heck if I got any of the quality I wouldn't have switched to buff horn.

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Lost Arra on February 07, 2006, 01:52:00 PM
John: what kind of horn is that?
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dano on February 07, 2006, 02:37:00 PM
Unicorn.   :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on February 07, 2006, 02:58:00 PM
You sure? Looks like narwhale to me.   :knothead:

I'm just impressed that John has a horn  pile
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: kyle on February 07, 2006, 04:40:00 PM
Dano said unicorn....bwahh haahh ha ha ha LMAO!!
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Carbon Caster on February 07, 2006, 05:58:00 PM
I shot a unicorn once, but the horn was only about 4 inches long.  Mighty fine eating though.  I would love to try working with horn one day.  I am really enjoying this thread, and look forward to building the sheath for the matching knife.  Keep the pictures coming.
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Post by: Dano on February 07, 2006, 06:04:00 PM
bwahh haahh ha ha ha   :bigsmyl:
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Post by: Killdeer on February 07, 2006, 06:21:00 PM
John has a NEAT shop! It's got all that cool stuff in it and horizontal spaces that you can set stuff on and EVERYTHING!!

Where can you get tags for unicorn?
Killdeer  :confused:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: John Sturtevant on February 07, 2006, 06:28:00 PM
This is Gemsbuk / Oryx horn.   But if we want to call it Unicorn to drive the bidding up, then so be it.   :)
Had a much bigger pile before bow making season started Tom.


Need to clean up the outside of horn before flattening.   Dang this stuff stinks.


 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/P1010036.jpg)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: John Sturtevant on February 07, 2006, 06:35:00 PM
Before and after clean up.   Need to get rid of all the ridges in order to flatten.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/P1010037.jpg)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: John Sturtevant on February 07, 2006, 06:37:00 PM
Heat gun and a good vise will have the horn flat and the shop smelly in no time.
I like to flatten a small section at a time, and keep the area already flattened in the vise under pressure.   If you reheat a section that is already flat it tends to want to go back to the original shape.


 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/P1010043.jpg)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: John Sturtevant on February 07, 2006, 06:38:00 PM
Horn flattened with heat, ready for the second round of grinding.


  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/P1010045.jpg)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: John Sturtevant on February 07, 2006, 06:40:00 PM
Cleaned up and thinned down some.   Need to shape to the limb profile and finish flattening when I have the bow.      I’ll pick this up again later when the bow gets here…..and hope we don’t screw it up.   :)


 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/P1010049.jpg)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Madpigslayer on February 07, 2006, 07:07:00 PM
Hey John, nice product placement with your mojam beer cooler sleeve...   :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dano on February 07, 2006, 07:49:00 PM
John, did you get the matching shoes with that cooler?  :bigsmyl:
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Post by: wingnut on February 07, 2006, 07:54:00 PM
Nope Shona outbid him on the shoes.  She's sitting here and got a kick outta the koosie cup pic.

Mike
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Post by: AZStickman on February 08, 2006, 07:31:00 AM
This is getting real interesting..... The arm guards are almost done and I just got to see the pics man Robin does some awesome work.... This bow and the Osage selfbow are gonna be a real treat for whoever wins the bid.... Terry
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Post by: Tom Leemans on February 08, 2006, 08:33:00 AM
Yes, grinding horn is like smelling burning hair but it sure polishes up nice. Not quite as nice as grinding garrolite though.

Boy, he's got ergo mats and storage drawers and you can see his walls and floor and everything.
  :notworthy:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: John Sturtevant on February 08, 2006, 07:15:00 PM
Suppose it's too late to say the can holder belongs to my wife?
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Post by: Killdeer on February 08, 2006, 07:27:00 PM
I noticed that koozie, verrry nice! Fuzzy slippers for the Fresca.  :)  

 Robin is doing the armguard? This package is gonna be FFAwesome!!  :eek:  

Killdeer
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Post by: rainman on February 12, 2006, 09:07:00 PM
ttt

Dan Raney
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Post by: Roughcountry on February 12, 2006, 10:03:00 PM
Mike, mailed the guards on Friday. You and Terry hafta figure out which bow they go with, I have to ask my bride if my socks match  :D
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Post by: Roughcountry on February 12, 2006, 11:03:00 PM
Heres how the guards finished up. The other has black rawhide lace instead of white and the stamping pattern go's clockwise.
 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v347/roughcountry/Picture_1225.jpg)
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Post by: cellophane on February 13, 2006, 01:17:00 AM
whoa...roughcountry, even if your socks don't match you sure can do some leatherwork.  workmanship is stunning!
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Post by: the Ferret on February 13, 2006, 06:45:00 AM
Geez neat stuff..you have to wonder who was the first guy to figure out how to make that horn suitable for application to a bow and how he eve thought of it. Also hard to believe it bends back and forth without snapping.

Beautiful leatherwork Roughcountry!   :notworthy:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on February 13, 2006, 07:10:00 AM
Robin that guard is AWESOME!  :notworthy:  

Mickey - Horn...Nature's carbon fiber!
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: John Sturtevant on February 13, 2006, 11:02:00 AM
Robin, the leather work is absolutely beautiful.    Very impressive.

USPS hasn’t got around to delivering the bow yet, so no progress.   Hoped to have it done this weekend.     Evidently I’m supposed to be gone hunting late this week thru the 26th….so it will be after that before I can work on it now.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tim Clark on February 26, 2006, 06:47:00 PM
ttt

How's it coming along?
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: John Sturtevant on February 27, 2006, 01:22:00 PM
The bow made it, but I’ve been gone hunting.    Finally had a little time to work on the bow a bit yesterday.

Now we’ll see if I can keep from screwing up the fine work of masters Westvang and Jones.

This is what we're starting with.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/1profile.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/2.jpg)


 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/3handle.jpg)


 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/2handle.jpg)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: John Sturtevant on February 27, 2006, 01:25:00 PM
Will record the tiller and make sure I get it back to something kinda close.


Unbraced

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/4unbraced.jpg)


Braced

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/5braced.jpg)


At 28”

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/6drawn.jpg)


More later.....
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Post by: '46 on February 27, 2006, 03:48:00 PM
What an outstanding bow... I can't wait to see the finished product.    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on February 27, 2006, 04:18:00 PM
It looks real good and with the horn it will be a gem.

mike
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Post by: Dano on February 27, 2006, 06:35:00 PM
Nice work so far John, I have to make room in my shop for a tiller tree like yours, I like it. Oh yeah the bow looks great too  :bigsmyl:
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Post by: AZStickman on February 27, 2006, 09:25:00 PM
Dang..... That is looking good......I wish I had more money than looks and stood half a chance at gettin that bow......wait I do, all of a buck fifty worth, and I still don't....    :D   Terry
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Post by: cjones on February 27, 2006, 11:53:00 PM
This bow is gonna be awesome! Keep up the good work guys.  :thumbsup:    :notworthy:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: John Sturtevant on February 28, 2006, 03:31:00 PM
Horn after cutting to the bow profile, and thinned ready to glue.

Decided to add a very thin layer of bloodwood, roughly .0314587 thick.  
We will be adding weight with the belly lams…..but losing weight when we shape the flat belly into a nice round profile.  


 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/7lams.jpg)


 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/8ready.jpg)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: AZStickman on February 28, 2006, 07:39:00 PM
This is getting good now...... John how thick is the horn and how much weight does it add?? Is it predictable or does it vary from horn to horn??... Terry
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on February 28, 2006, 07:59:00 PM
Dang I'm glad you gave us the rough thickness on the bloodwood.  Any more detail and my abacus would have burst into flames.

.031+ will add roughly 10 pounds to this bow.  So with that and the horn at .070 or so AND rounding we should be in the 55 pound range or so.

Although I have been fooled numerous times by yew.  That stuff is not as predictable as most woods.

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: John Sturtevant on March 01, 2006, 08:40:00 AM
Terry, a few years ago I would have said it’s very predictable.  
Now I’d say it’s as predictable as any natural material.  

The horn is about .090 to start….but I intend to thin it considerably after it is applied.   I just find it easier to glue when it’s a little thicker.

The last bow I added BW/Horn to the belly added about 10#’s.   However this is a different profile, different core wood, different bamboo.  
 We’ll see what happens.   :)

Every bow I fiddle with has a surprise in store…..sometimes pleasant, sometimes maybe not so pleasant.   Hopeful this one will hold a nice surprise.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: John Sturtevant on March 01, 2006, 08:42:00 AM
We’ll use slime-on for this glue up.  I love the way it always ends up on parts of my body that it shouldn’t.  

Some of the supplies and tools needed for the glue up.  

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/9supplies.jpg)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on March 01, 2006, 08:43:00 AM
John,

I think the bloodwood will add a bunch to the bow.  both in performance and appearance.  Good Idea!!

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: John Sturtevant on March 01, 2006, 08:44:00 AM
We’ll use a pressure strip of ¼” polycarb.  
2” clamps every 2” or so.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/11glue.jpg)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: John Sturtevant on March 01, 2006, 08:45:00 AM
All clamped up and ready for the hot box.    

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/10glue.jpg)
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Post by: tmccall on March 01, 2006, 09:35:00 AM
Awesome....    :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: John Sturtevant on March 02, 2006, 08:38:00 AM
After the initial clean up…..ready to re-tiller.

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Post by: John Sturtevant on March 02, 2006, 08:50:00 AM
First bracing with horn.

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First pull...Drawn to 24”, weight is 50#

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Got some work to do.....hope it doesn't break.   :)
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 02, 2006, 08:53:00 AM
What a filthy shop. Tools strewn about...and is that dust on the floor mat?

  :notworthy:
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Post by: John Sturtevant on March 02, 2006, 11:02:00 AM
Tom, please accept my sincere apology for the mess.    I can assure you that I did get things cleaned up and organized right after the pictures.   :)
I catch a lot of ribbing over keeping a semi-clean shop.  I figure when the kitchen gets dirty….we clean it.    Toilet scummy?  Clean it.   Truck muddy?  Clean it.    I place a lot higher value on the time spent in the shop then the kitchen, toilet or truck…..so I figure I should take care of it at least as well.    :)
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Post by: Dano on March 02, 2006, 11:38:00 AM
"I place a lot higher value on the time spent in the shop then the kitchen, toilet or truck" I like that statement John  :bigsmyl:  The bow looks great, did you have to make any adjustments in tiller after adding the horn?
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Post by: wingnut on March 02, 2006, 12:09:00 PM
You wash your truck?  And you value your shop time more then toilet time.  Well go figure!!

I guess these guys from Iowa are just weird.

LOL

Mike

BTW how long did it take to clean a shop that CLEAN?
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Post by: John Sturtevant on March 02, 2006, 06:46:00 PM
Dano, not done yet but I’ll need to do some work to the outer 1/3 to get it to come around.  That's what it looks like after gluing the horn on and rounding the edges some.  
I’m not really tillering the bow, all I’m doing is gluing chunks of horn on and trying not to screw up Mikes glue up and JD’s tiller.    

Mike, guys from Iowa weird?   Huh.  Guess we can’t all be normal like you Texas fellers.  :)
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Post by: AZStickman on March 02, 2006, 08:32:00 PM
Thanks for sharing this John..... I love that wood spirit carving in the background..... I think my favorite bow of all time is the one you where you carved the wood spirits into the fades.... It's fun watching real craftsmen at work... Terry
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Post by: John Sturtevant on March 03, 2006, 08:51:00 AM
Drawn to 25” after a little more work.    

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57# at 27”.      More work to do this weekend.   Mike wanted it between 50-55 I believe...and I think we can do this.  Still want to work on the outer limbs a bit to bring them around.
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Comparison of where JD had the tiller pre-horn.  
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Post by: John Sturtevant on March 03, 2006, 08:56:00 AM
Another view.....

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Post by: kyle on March 03, 2006, 09:26:00 AM
You guys ROCK!  It sure is looking good.
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 03, 2006, 03:16:00 PM
So am I next in line? I have the stuff ready for limb tips.
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Post by: wingnut on March 03, 2006, 08:34:00 PM
Well looking at the batting order, it looks like #5 is up and yep that's you Tom.

Can you send your address to John so he can forward the bow to you as soon as it's ready?

1) Yew board - Mike/Tim
2) glue up with Tonkin Bamboo Back - Wingnut
3) tiller to 40s flat belly - JD
4) Add horn belly,snakewood underlay and final tiller - John S
5) horn tips with string keeper - Tom
6) Leather L/R arrow rest - Dave Bulla
7) Timo - carp skins
8) finish work - CK
9) Bow sock and string - Dano
10) Self nock arrows - SLR

Thanks it's coming together

Mike
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Post by: AZStickman on March 04, 2006, 11:06:00 AM
Coming together is an understatement Mike....it's special right now and just looking at the line up left and what they are adding is unbelievable.... Good job.....    :thumbsup:   Terry
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Post by: John Sturtevant on March 05, 2006, 05:59:00 PM
Here we are at 28”……about 53-54#’s
I think we’ll stop here for a bit….and maybe do some tweaking later after shooting it a bit.

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Post by: John Sturtevant on March 05, 2006, 06:02:00 PM
Now we’re supposed to put on some snakewood underlays on the tips.    We’ll leave these short.   The snakewood for the tips was donated by Curtis Keller, and the snakewood in the handle by Dan Rainy, I believe.  (hope I spelled your name right Dan.)

Just because we can….and because I feel like it we’ll add a very thin layer of blackwood  and yellowheart between the yew and the snakewood.  

Little Urac ought to do it…..and pop it in the hot box to cure.

I’ve used CA adhesive for this type of thing in the past, but I prefer to use the best adhesive I have available.     Same with horn tip overlays….prefer to use a high quality 2 part epoxy instead of superglue.  


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Post by: wingnut on March 05, 2006, 06:15:00 PM
Dang John that is a pretty tiller.  I love how that bow bends and I bet it shoots great.  Looking forward to the underlays, I know they will be great.

Mike
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Post by: John Sturtevant on March 05, 2006, 06:15:00 PM
Tip underlays after unclamping.  

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After cleaning them up a little.  

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Snakewood handle after shaping a little bit.

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Post by: AZStickman on March 05, 2006, 06:18:00 PM
WOW!!!!!!!..... Terry
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Post by: John Sturtevant on March 05, 2006, 06:23:00 PM
Mike, tiller the result of a good glue up and JD's tillering skills.  


Tom, I was going to leave the tips wide / squared off at the end if that’s OK.    Figured you’d want to shape them to suit yourself.


I’ll make a PVC shipping tube for this thing….thinking it’s gonna be traveling a lot of miles in the next couple of months.

I’ve left the back of the handle somewhat squared off, not knowing the plan for the leather being glued on.  Is that OK?

Gonna go shoot this thing a bit….then recheck the tiller and make any adjustments needed.
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Post by: Dano on March 05, 2006, 06:26:00 PM
Very nice John.
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Post by: John Sturtevant on March 05, 2006, 08:32:00 PM
Well, ran into a problem while shooting the bow that has me a little concerned.   No time to post pics now….but I’ll try tomorrow.  Dang….
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Post by: horseapple on March 05, 2006, 08:34:00 PM
John, you really did a great job on the horn and underlays...I predict this bow will be in someones collection one day.
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 06, 2006, 06:53:00 AM
Sounds good John. Sending you my shipping addy in PM/e-mail. I have a neat idea for the tips. Hope I can do this thing justice. It just keeps getting cooler!
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Post by: Chris R on March 06, 2006, 07:02:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by John Sturtevant:
Well, ran into a problem while shooting the bow that has me a little concerned.   No time to post pics now….but I’ll try tomorrow.  Dang….
Don't leave us hanging  "[heman]"     There's a bunch of us sitting here holding back a big gasp...
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Post by: wingnut on March 06, 2006, 07:22:00 AM
Dang it John!!  What did ya do to our bow?  LOL

Well do I need to start over or are you foolin with us?

Mike
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Post by: Guru on March 06, 2006, 07:31:00 AM
That bow is beautiful!!!  I hope it's OK...
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 06, 2006, 07:40:00 AM
:scared:
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Post by: John Sturtevant on March 06, 2006, 08:34:00 AM
Back with a pic of the problem and possible solution.
As you can see….the bow is too fast and the arrows tend to burst into flames.    Nobody’s gonna want this bow if all their arrows keep burning up.  
The only solution I can think of is to add horn tips that weigh a pound or so.   Perhaps Tom can take care of this.


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Post by: horseapple on March 06, 2006, 08:44:00 AM
Thank goodness  :p  aluminum arrows will solve that problem:) couldn't sleep last night worrying about the bow    :(
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Post by: tmccall on March 06, 2006, 08:52:00 AM
Awesome!!!!  Naturally Occurring Spontaneous Combustion...  Call it the pyro-bow.
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Post by: wingnut on March 06, 2006, 08:56:00 AM
NOw that is a hot bow.  We gotta do something about it.  mmaybe we could make some rebar arrows or maybe take some aluminum arrows and fill em with fire retardant or something.

Now we need some fire proof feathers.

Mike
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Post by: the Ferret on March 06, 2006, 09:04:00 AM
"[tunglaff]"
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Post by: clintopher on March 06, 2006, 09:07:00 AM
Daggon' John, I puckered up there for a second.

Aluminum might melt.  I think the ticket would be titanium...maybe take a piece of round stock and mill some veins into it.  That should correct the problem.
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Post by: JasonV on March 06, 2006, 09:15:00 AM
I'd go with fluted titanium - it'll dissipate the heat better....
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Post by: rocdoc on March 06, 2006, 10:37:00 AM
Definitely an "Outlawed Bow" here in Oklahoma......we got a burn ban here.
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Post by: clintopher on March 06, 2006, 10:38:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by JasonV:
I'd go with fluted titanium - it'll dissipate the heat better....
Of course...I just figured fluted would be the natural assumption.   :knothead:
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Post by: rocdoc on March 06, 2006, 10:43:00 AM
BTW....that is one GORGEOUS BOW!!!

I predict a record high bid on that baby!  Will they take a first-born son in lew of cash?
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 06, 2006, 10:53:00 AM
I was thinking we'd see a bunch of split arras.
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Post by: Roughcountry on March 06, 2006, 11:11:00 AM
Wow, what a bow. I just got me some new hero's  :notworthy:    :notworthy:
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Post by: wingnut on March 06, 2006, 11:49:00 AM
Ok guys time to tighten up, the auction starts May 31 so we need to get it going.

John,

You got Tom's address?

Tom,

Watch for it so we can turn it around in a timely manner.  Pics included of course.

Mike
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Post by: Tim Clark on March 06, 2006, 12:21:00 PM
So THAT'S how they make carbon arrows!!!! I always wondered about that...
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Post by: wingnut on March 06, 2006, 01:22:00 PM
yep carbon arras, a mexican side dish composed of cedar flambe' with just a touch of turkey feather for flavor.

Mike
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Post by: Dano on March 06, 2006, 02:15:00 PM
John is a regular commedian ain't he. I like it  :bigsmyl:
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Post by: kcdaniels on March 06, 2006, 06:12:00 PM
Man, I about fell off my chair when I saw those arrows   :bigsmyl:  

I know I am saving up all my lunch money for this bow!!   :)  

Dan
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Post by: AZStickman on March 06, 2006, 08:33:00 PM
That's just wrong John.......  :readit:    :D  Terry
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Post by: fletcharrows on March 06, 2006, 10:38:00 PM
If they are takin first born sons as bids - I'm in -

that their bow can do its own shish-ke-bobbin.


fletch
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Post by: Madpigslayer on March 07, 2006, 12:33:00 AM
...anybody that uses a pink frilly beer cozy and dont think much about it...HAS to have a sense of humour.  :)
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 07, 2006, 06:37:00 AM
Mike - I'm ready. Digimal camera all set to go.
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Post by: ber643 on March 07, 2006, 06:54:00 AM
I'm gonna cry every time I have to pass by this listing in the auction without bidding - but the tears will be tempered with ones of joy for the amount it is bound to raise -   For The Kids!
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Post by: clintopher on March 07, 2006, 07:06:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Madpigslayer:
...anybody that uses a pink frilly beer cozy and dont think much about it...HAS to have a sense of humour.   :)  
"[tunglaff]"    "[tunglaff]"    "[tunglaff]"
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Post by: John Sturtevant on March 07, 2006, 08:51:00 AM
I imagine it would be appropriate to feel some remorse or even shame over my childish antics.
But…..well…I’ll have to work on the remorse/shame thing I guess.  :)  


Madpig, not a beer cozy.  Diet soda.  
Clean Iowa living.  We don’t drink, smoke, seldom use profanity, and stay away from loose women.  Most of the time.  

Bow is packed up and will be on the boat to Tom today.  

Mike, thanks for allowing me to participate.   This was a good idea, and you’re to be commended for spearheading.
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 07, 2006, 11:18:00 AM
Yes, sipping on diet Pepsi... Never smoke, rarely drink...but then, loose women need love too.
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 08, 2006, 11:56:00 AM
The bow arrived safe and sound today. Man is it a beauty. It's gonna be something special when it has a finish on it.

I'll be out of town this weekend and may not be able to get anything done until first of next week though. We're supposed to get a bunch of rain and I'd like to keep it dry anyway. I'll post pics when I get working on it.

p.s. John - Thanks for the bulletwood!! Maybe I can use it to get a donation bow done for MOJam or something.
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Post by: wingnut on March 08, 2006, 12:29:00 PM
Cool!! Glad it made it there safe and sound.  Keep us posted on progress. I'll bump Dave Bulla to get him ready for next on the list.

Mike
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Post by: Dano on March 08, 2006, 01:55:00 PM
Well John, "We don’t drink, smoke, seldom use profanity, and stay away from loose women. Most of the time." That leaves me out on all accounts, the hazards of being a Marine I guess, BTW I quit smoking cigs does that help?
  :bigsmyl:
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Post by: ber643 on March 08, 2006, 04:48:00 PM
Now, Dano, Don't blame our ... er your transgressions and bad habits on the Marine Corps    :bigsmyl:
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Post by: John Sturtevant on March 08, 2006, 07:08:00 PM
Glad it made it OK Tom…..looking forward to see what you come up with.   I think you’ll enjoy the bulletwood.  

Mike, I put the left over snake wood in the tube also.   Thinking this will find its way back to Texas eventually.

Dano, depends on what you’re smoking now instead?  :)
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Post by: wingnut on March 09, 2006, 07:54:00 AM
John,

With Dano we are on a "don't ask, don't tell" program.  LOL

That's cool on the snakewood, if it stays in the tube it will find it's way back to Curtis.

And Tom, back that bulletwood with a bit of bamboo and it will surprise you.

Mike
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Post by: Dano on March 09, 2006, 08:13:00 AM
Bernie's right, it's not the fault of the Marine Corps, I'm just a poor example of a child of the 60's  :D  Sides all I smoke now are cheep see-gars, I never inhaled anyhow  ;)
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Post by: ber643 on March 09, 2006, 09:44:00 AM
Where have I heard that before?    :rolleyes:
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Post by: wingnut on March 09, 2006, 06:55:00 PM
Dang!!  I was thinking and boy am I glad I was the first one on the list for the build on this bow.  Each bowyer seems to be playing "can you top this?" and I'm afraid if I was last I wouldn't have the talent or energy to make it happen.  This is going to be a great bow for the kids.

I'm thinking of a number to start the bidding and it's not $50.

LOL

Mike
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Post by: Dano on March 09, 2006, 08:03:00 PM
Tom when you get the tips done let me know what string length we'll need, and I'll send it and the bow sock to Curtis. Sound good Wingnutty? With interest rates climbing I don't know, someone may have to sell thier truck to buy this bow.
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Post by: '46 on March 10, 2006, 11:45:00 AM
"No interest until January '07" should crank up the bid price    :D    :D    :D
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Post by: Dano on March 10, 2006, 12:11:00 PM
Let the fun begin   :bigsmyl:
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Post by: AZStickman on March 10, 2006, 09:51:00 PM
ttt
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Post by: Dave Bulla on March 14, 2006, 02:57:00 PM
ttt
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Post by: Cameron on March 14, 2006, 04:15:00 PM
Someone PM Chuck Norris.  He may be the only one who can build arrows for this bow, or even shoot it for that matter.
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Post by: '46 on March 14, 2006, 05:10:00 PM
Soooo, when I win this bow will ya write my name on it?      :)
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Post by: wingnut on March 14, 2006, 05:14:00 PM
George,

If you win it you can write your own name or anybodys name on it yourself.  Cause you will have it.

Mike
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Post by: '46 on March 14, 2006, 05:37:00 PM
Mike, you guys all did an outstanding job. This one is as good as it gets.
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 15, 2006, 07:35:00 AM
Hi folks. I've been avoiding getting the bow out of the tube because the humidity has been around.. oh...100% here lately. I should be able to do my part by this weekend and get it shipped off to Dave. I'll post pics when I get going. Gee, I can't wait to start grinding on the tips.
  :scared:
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Post by: Dano on March 15, 2006, 07:44:00 AM
Done yet Tom???  :confused:    "[moon]"    :D
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 15, 2006, 09:12:00 AM
Not yet buddy. How did ya fair with the weather the other night?
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Post by: Dano on March 15, 2006, 09:19:00 AM
Blew right on by here, how about you?
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 15, 2006, 10:03:00 AM
Us too. Lots of rain and a light show. 3 miles away, they recorded a 107 mph gust at the airport. It blew over the framing on a new motel they had just started.
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Post by: AZStickman on March 18, 2006, 06:36:00 PM
ttt
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Post by: wingnut on March 20, 2006, 07:37:00 AM
Well?  Any progress and where are them pics?

LOL

Mike
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 20, 2006, 08:06:00 AM
O.K. Got some work done this weekend.
Step 1 - Go knock some horns off a cow or, in this case, have some nice guy named Timo give you a bunch at MOJam.  
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 20, 2006, 08:09:00 AM
Now we're after the solid portion of the horn. Usually, most cow horn is thin, except near the tips so we'll cut these off.
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 20, 2006, 08:12:00 AM
Here, I'm slabbing some material off, then I'll hog it down further on the bench sander.
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 20, 2006, 08:16:00 AM
After some sanding, we end up with some suitable pieces.
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I like to give myself a head start on blending the tip into the limb, so I sand an abrupt angle on one end.
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 20, 2006, 08:21:00 AM
To avoid the 'bump on a log' look, we do a scarf joint. I've shaded the area to be removed. Now I can tear into the tips of this beautiful bow. Kind of intimidating now that it's this far along.
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Yes, that's a hoof rasp in my hand.
  (http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2718.jpg)
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 20, 2006, 08:25:00 AM
I didn't have a picture but after the rasp, I use the mating surface of the intended slab as a sanding block to get the surface just right. The nice thing about the underlays is that they help me keep everything square, just by watching the pattern.
    (http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2719.jpg)
    (http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2720.jpg)
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Post by: the Ferret on March 20, 2006, 08:29:00 AM
awesome Tom   :notworthy:
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 20, 2006, 08:31:00 AM
Next step is to glue the overlays on. First, I protect the bow from excess glue with blue tape. I like the Loctite gel. I've had no failures with it and it really bonds organic materials well. Short version - You slather on plenty of glue, quickly position the slab and clamp, wipe excess glue away, then it's pretty much o.k. to take the tape off. Shortly after, this glue is done and you can remove the clamps.
  (http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2721.jpg)
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 20, 2006, 08:40:00 AM
O.K. they look ugly now, but that's it for one day. I should be back with another update Tuesday.
  (http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2722.jpg)   (http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2724.jpg)
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Post by: horseapple on March 20, 2006, 08:52:00 AM
Gonna look sweet dude.
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Post by: '46 on March 20, 2006, 11:07:00 AM
Very nice Tom!!! Wow!!
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 20, 2006, 12:02:00 PM
Luckily, none of my, now shorter, fingernails are showing. 40 Grit planer belts will trim them rather quickly.
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Post by: Dave Bulla on March 20, 2006, 01:23:00 PM
Yup, and cutting that close to a bandsaw blade with a little piece of material and no pusher block will take more off than a fingernail too....

But yea, I'm guilty of doing it too.

I'm looking forward to seeing this bow in person.  Just finished the stacked leather and super glue handle overlay and shelves on the team osage bow yesterday.  A guy surely does tend to get a little "stage fright" working on these bows.  At least I do..... takes some conviction to take a rasp to a special bow don't it.
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 20, 2006, 01:32:00 PM
Yup, no fear Dave. It's all in the control.

If you look in the saw pic, there is a piece of scrap wood to finish the cut with. It's nice to keep all of your fingers.
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Post by: John Sturtevant on March 20, 2006, 03:35:00 PM
Looking great Tom.   Looks like you’ve done that a time or two before.   :)
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 21, 2006, 07:43:00 AM
O.K. Got a little more work done last night. After the slabs are glued on, we can do some hogging on the bench sander. Just gotta be careful. Gives you a nice place to start with hand tools, although the whole thing can be finished with hand tools from here.

Upper tip. I left a little more here because I'm going to shape it a bit differently.
 (http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2728.jpg)
Lower tip will be simple and sleek when done.
  (http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2727.jpg)

I generally go from here with a #50 rasp, then I like to scrape tool marks away and get closer with a razor blade or utility knife blade, then finish up with one of those 4-way foam buffing files used for nails.
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 21, 2006, 07:49:00 AM
Here's the lower tip after shaping and buffing. I still have to file and sand the string groove but it's pretty much to shape.

Lower tip
   (http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2737.jpg)
Viewed showing some of the backside or actually the belly side.
  (http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2738.jpg)
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 21, 2006, 07:53:00 AM
Today is Shelby's birthday (she's 12!), so no bow work tonight. Look for an update Thursday, then it should be ready to go to Dave.
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Post by: '46 on March 22, 2006, 05:37:00 PM
ttt
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 23, 2006, 06:05:00 AM
Sorry folks, I've been battling the flu since yesterday but I've managed to get a little work done. There's still some final shaping and finishing touches on the upper tip yet. I'll post pics when it's done. We'll see how I feel tonight.
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Post by: wingnut on March 23, 2006, 08:17:00 AM
No Problem Tom! Heck we got time and would rather have you at your best when working on this gem.  LOL

BTW make sure to wipe any germs off before sending it on.

MIke
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Post by: Yance on March 23, 2006, 08:26:00 AM
WOW! I love the horn bellies I been seein round here lately.
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 23, 2006, 08:32:00 AM
It will be disinfected
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Post by: wingnut on March 23, 2006, 08:35:00 AM
LOL

Mike
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Post by: Dano on March 23, 2006, 01:07:00 PM
Tom, don't forget I need to know the final length for the string. Oh yeah and tell Shelby happy belated birthday.
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 27, 2006, 05:38:00 PM
Will do Dano.

I'm finally pretty much done with this flu bug. Last 4 days sucked. It's raining today so the humidity in the shop is way up. I'll prolly finish up tomorrow after work. Either way, it'll be on it's way to Dave this week. I'll measure for the string length after I send an arra or two out of it. It's probably going to pick up more speed now, since horn is lighter ya know.

 "[heman]"
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Post by: John Sturtevant on March 29, 2006, 01:18:00 PM
How is it looking Tom?
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 29, 2006, 01:59:00 PM
I should finish tonight. Had too much running to do last night.
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 30, 2006, 06:49:00 AM
It's getting oooh so close. Lots of tedious handwork when you are trying not to screw up such a great bow. I had it strung up for a bit and you can just feel the power in this bow.
  "[heman]"  
I have one finishing touch to do tonight, then maybe send a couple arras through it before getting it in the mail to Dave. Look for pics tomorrow.
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 31, 2006, 06:53:00 AM
Well you folks have been waiting patiently. After seeing the bow when John was done, looking at the overlay material and remembering that Timo was gonna put carp skins on it yet, I decided that this bow needed some attitude to go along with it's looks and performance. Sooooo...

First here's the lower tip, finished
  (http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2755.jpg)

Now the upper!
  (http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2779.jpg)
  (http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2771.jpg)
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 31, 2006, 06:58:00 AM
Oughta be cool after the carp skins are on it. BTW I strung it and shot it a bit. (Nice job on the tiller guys!) Luckily, the humidity was up and temps were low enough that the arras didn't burst into flames.

The two groups represent differences in my hand placement, shooting off the knuckle. The lone flyer is just because the fletch is torn up.
(15 yds.)
  (http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2759.jpg)
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 31, 2006, 07:04:00 AM
I decided not to drill a hole for a string keeper. I thought it might be cool if Dano or someone made a nice hood type keeper (please?) for it instead. That way, the owner can uncover the head in front of their friends and such, when they string the bow.

Dave - Look for it to arrive the first part of next week. FYI - If you look at the belly of the bow, I was shooting off my knuckle with the top edge of the arrow shaft pretty much in line with the bottom tip of the bloodwood lamination. I'm sending a scrap of burgandy leather along, in case you want to use it.

Dano - Just make the string for a 64" bow. Should be able to twist to adjust. If you need better measurements, let me know.
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Post by: Dano on March 31, 2006, 07:15:00 AM
Nice job Tom.
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Post by: AZStickman on March 31, 2006, 07:35:00 AM
:thumbsup:  Awesome Tom..... This bow just keeps getting better.... Terry
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Post by: '46 on March 31, 2006, 08:54:00 AM
Outstanding Tom....what can ya say, it's just an awesome bow in every respect.      :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 31, 2006, 09:44:00 AM
I forgot to mention how quiet in the hand this bow is. Testament to the tiller job!
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Post by: John Sturtevant on March 31, 2006, 01:03:00 PM
Tom, that is excellent!  
Are those glass eyes?  
What a wonderful touch....
Will look great with the fish skins.
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Post by: Tom Leemans on March 31, 2006, 01:07:00 PM
Yes, they are glass eyes. I wish I'd have set them a tad deeper but they are not coming out now. It still looks cool. The skins should really finish up the look.

CK - There are some lighter lines and spots in the horn that are natural discoloration. Some of those and any fine scratches should disappear when you finish it. I've been known to touch up light spots with a sharpie too.
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Post by: Chris R on March 31, 2006, 07:59:00 PM
This bow is turning out awesome!!!  A true classic in the making.
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Post by: wingnut on April 01, 2006, 10:11:00 PM
Man that is cool!!  I love the snake head on the top.

OK, Dave you are on.  BTW if you shoot it please dont draw your 30".  LOL

Mike
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Post by: John Scifres on April 01, 2006, 10:38:00 PM
Awesome stuff...everyone.
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Post by: gordonf on April 02, 2006, 01:13:00 AM
What a cool bow!
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Post by: Tom Leemans on April 03, 2006, 12:12:00 PM
Bow shipped Friday. I won't rest easy until it gets to Dave's. The tube set up John made should keep it safe anyway.
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Post by: Dano on April 03, 2006, 07:02:00 PM
I got the string and the bow sock in the mail to Curtis today.

BTW we didn't blow away last night, too much lead in my tukass  :D
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Post by: Littlefeather on April 03, 2006, 07:25:00 PM
Wow! CK
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Post by: Tom Leemans on April 04, 2006, 08:28:00 AM
Glad to hear you're O.K. down there Dano. I was wondering when I didn't see any posts during the day.
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Post by: Dano on April 04, 2006, 04:15:00 PM
Thanks Tom, we had power lines down on our tank farm, so that kept us busy. How did you fair up there?
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Post by: Ray Lyon on April 04, 2006, 05:32:00 PM
Wow, what an outstanding job and teamwork. Excellent pictures to boot. Somebody is going to be a lot poorer in cash, but will own something special for sure.
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Post by: Ray Lyon on April 10, 2006, 06:57:00 PM
^^^^ for the curious.   ;)
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Post by: wingnut on April 10, 2006, 08:10:00 PM
Talked to Dave and he has the bow.  Look for some pics soon.

Mike
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Post by: Tom Leemans on April 11, 2006, 08:17:00 AM
I feel for Dave. He's been workin' lots of O.T. like me. Unfortunately, in my case, it ran me down until I ended up sick for 2 weeks. Hope that doesn't happen to Dave. Don't wory folks, it'll get done.
 :archer:
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Post by: Ray Lyon on April 11, 2006, 08:21:00 AM
Didn't mean to put pressure on anyone, it's just this is such a cool project and the talent/creativity is incredible.   :thumbsup:
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Post by: Dave Bulla on April 11, 2006, 12:01:00 PM
Well, sorry I'm not moving very quickly on this.  Between work and fixing the family car (Kinda a high priority) I'm a bit behind.  

I'm also striving for a good match of leather to the red (bloodwood) lam under the black horn belly.  I've got some latigo that it close but it's oily and the dye is mostly on the surface with lots of tan in the middle.  I've toyed with the idea of using some of my red rit dye to color a piece of leather but I'm scared the dye could bleed out into the yew handle when the super glue hits it and being a soft wood I'm afraid it would really wick in and I couldn't get it out so that's not gonna happen.  Today I remembered picking up a redish colored womans leather coat at a yard sale a year or so ago for my wife and so I dug it out to check the color.  It looks like it will be pretty close to what I want if it doesn't get too dark.  I'll have to cut a piece out and see what it does in a "test".  Think my wife will notice????  HA!  Actually, I bought the coat just to cut it up for handle wraps and such but I'd forgotten about it so I'm not really cutting up my wifes leather dress coat....

It's a beautiful day today and is supposed to get up to about 77 degrees so I think I'll get my little wooden bench and set it in the yard so I can do some work before I head off to work AGAIN.  

Might be a day or two before I get some pics up though.
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Post by: Tim Clark on April 11, 2006, 12:32:00 PM
I may be far off the mark here, but would it be worthwhile to apply, say, shellac, on that area where the leather will lay? If waxless shellac is used, it will bond to any finish and any finish will bond to it, so it wouldn't be such an issue for the man doing the actual bow finish.

Just my two cents. Even if it's worth nothing.
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Post by: Dave Bulla on April 13, 2006, 12:27:00 PM
Well, I've come to the conclusion that it's justnot possible to match the red color of the lam with a piece of leather.  I did about six different test build ups since I last posted on a piece of pine scrap lumber (should be similar to yew in hardness/absorbtion) and nothing even comes close.  It all gets too dark, almost black.  

In the end, I've decided to try to match the brown of the snakewood for the first layer and go with a black for the rest to match the horn.  That will still give a nice accent stripe, won't look overly flashy, and will match two of the four existing colors of the bow.  It's in progress and I hope to have pics up in a day or so with the bow going out in just a couple of days.

Who's next?  I'm gonna need an address....
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Post by: DarkeGreen on April 13, 2006, 12:55:00 PM
This bow may be too sweet when it's finnished. How great would this be to hunt with...it just kicks my butt. Love it!
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Post by: wingnut on April 13, 2006, 01:27:00 PM
Dave,

Here's the batting order for this soon to be great bow and build along.

1) Yew board - Mike/Tim
2) glue up with Tonkin Bamboo Back - Wingnut
3) tiller to 40s flat belly - JD
4) Add horn belly,snakewood underlay and final tiller - John S
5) horn tips with string keeper - Tom
6) Leather L/R arrow rest - Dave Bulla
7) Timo - carp skins
8) finish work - CK
9) Bow sock and string - Dano
10) Self nock arrows - SLR


So Timo's next.  I think you already have the address from the other bow.

Mike
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Post by: Shakes.602 on April 13, 2006, 02:03:00 PM
WOW!!  I can Only Dream of Being That Good Someday!! Y'all Do Some  AWSOME WORK!!! The Love of Doing That Kind of a Bow Just Shines Through, doesnt it???  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Dave Bulla on April 16, 2006, 08:44:00 PM
Just a heads up.

We made it through the tornado warnings last night by going to the basement....

Been working on the bow and it's about 99% done.  Some real fine sanding and maybe another coat of glue and she'll be ready to head off to Timo.  I'm gonna try to upload the pics to photobucket but I won't put them here until I have the bow done all the way and can show the whole series.  I didn't take as many pictures this time because the proceedure was the same as for the team osage bow but there are enough to see the basic steps.  

The shape of the shelves on this one are different than on the osage bow but the whole bow is a different style....  I really like it a lot!  I wish it would pull to my draw length.
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Post by: Timo on April 16, 2006, 10:14:00 PM
Mike, not sure if you have been checking the other st judes bow or not, but the skins will have to be stopped short of Daves leather work. I had to do a thread wrap at the ends of the skins.

I need to make sure that will be ok on this bow before we put the skins on? And are you sure you want to cover up that perty Tonkin?
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Post by: Tom Leemans on April 17, 2006, 08:25:00 AM
Dave- Glad to hear you're all safe there. We had a scare the other night ourselves.

Yes Timo, the scales will work right in to the whole snakewood, snake head thing. I would say it'd be better that they run to/blend into the tips. (My opinion anyway) I would think you could blend right up to the horn overlays with a brand new sharp razor blade.

I think a brown thread wrap just like the self bow would be fine. That way, we'd still have some bamboo showing in the handle area.
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Post by: wingnut on April 17, 2006, 08:32:00 AM
Timo,

Dave is not putting leather on the back of this bow like the other.  It already has the bamboo bringing it to a rounder back.  Anyway you can bring the skins farther down if you want.

mike
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Post by: Dave Bulla on April 17, 2006, 02:38:00 PM
Okay, time for a couple pictures.

Here is the handle area as I recieved it.  I've added a light pencil line across the sides where the shelves will go.  
 (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/22458551.jpg)

Here is the first piece of leather.  It's a real thin piece of horse hide.  Very dense but thin and the color will closely match the brown in the handle.  I'm trying to draw the shape of the shelves on it before I cut it out.
 (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/Img_1767.jpg)

Here it is cut a bit closer to shape.
 (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/Img_1768.jpg)

Here is the first layer glued in place and saturated with a coat of super glue.  Notice the two shelves are connected across the belly.  There will be a very small lip there that makes a great locator.
 (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/Img_1769.jpg)

And this is the first layer of dark leather glued on and skived.
 (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/Img_1776.jpg)

That is all I have for right now.  I'm trying to make steaks on the grill and pack my lunch while the pics load.  Only got those couple loaded to photobucket so the rest will have to wait until late tonight or tomorrow because it's time to head to work.
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Post by: Timo on April 17, 2006, 09:29:00 PM
Tom and Mike,Gotta good idea of what you're meaning, so it should work fine.I'll wait and see when she gets here. Lookin forward to seein her.
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Post by: Dave Bulla on April 18, 2006, 02:49:00 AM
Okay, got a couple more pics loaded...

Here is another layer of the horse hide.  This cut is the same cut as a piece of cordovan and I believe they call it an "inside split".  Anyway, it starts out about a 1/16th or a little thicker and tapers down to tissue paper thin.  Literally.  It's so thin on the one edge that you can see through it.  This piece is only about .010" to .015" thick so it will make a nice thin line.  The added line will also aid in shaping the shelves since it acts like a contour map line.
    (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/Img_1777.jpg)

Here it is glued in place.  It's so thin I didn't really even try to cut it to shape.  Just glued it on and then I'll trim it to fit.  You can see the contact area if you look close because the super glue is seeping through.  Everything else will get trimed off.
    (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/Img_1778.jpg)

This one shows the leather trimed, skived and some sanding done.  I took it mainly to show just how scary ugly this can look  to a first timer.  It really takes careful sanding on this yew bow to keep off the wood.  It's a lot softer than osage and doesn't sand equally.  Gotta really be careful to not sand a dished area just off the leather.  I never used anything coarser than 600 grit when actually sanding over the wood.
  (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/Img_1779.jpg)

Here's the other side after it's been cleaned up quite a bit.  Still two layers to go and more adjustments to the shape.
  (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/Img_1780.jpg)
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Post by: Dave Bulla on April 18, 2006, 04:16:00 AM
By the way Timo, I was thinking about what you mentioned about having to stop the skins short and was wondering if that was because they are not long enough or because you can't hide the splice under the handle wrap?  

Either way, if the skins have to stop short maybe something else could be put in the middle like a piece of snake skin?  Then do the same thing where the two meet with the wraps like you did on the osage bow.  I thought of maybing doing that with the fish skins but being kinda "directional" in appearance, it might not look right.

Or, I could do back overlays but make them go all the way from fade to fade with straight across ends.  If the bow was mine I'd be slapping the overlays on in a heartbeat anyway.

Aw heck, I don't know... just throwing out ideas.  I guess it comes down to either

1:  Trying to splice the skins in the middle. (assuming they are long enough)

2.  Stopping them short and tapering the end; no wrap.

3.  Stopping short and ending in a wrap like the osage bow.

4.  Stopping short with a wrap and something else in the middle like a third piece of skin or a leather overlay.

Anybody else got ideas?
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Post by: wingnut on April 18, 2006, 07:09:00 AM
I think bringing the skins to the center and a nice skive joint would work fine.

Mike
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Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on April 18, 2006, 07:24:00 AM
:)  

This bow is going to be incredible when it's finished
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Post by: Tom Leemans on April 18, 2006, 07:51:00 AM
Intimidating getting near the bow with tools and sandpaper, isn't it Dave?
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: horseapple on April 18, 2006, 09:39:00 AM
Guys, my personal opinion is that leaving a space or gap at the handle area with the skins looks crappy, just my opinion, also never did like the skins not going all the way to the tips either... hope I don't upset people but its only one guys opinion. Dave, I do like your super glued handle work.

Joe Don
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: JC on April 18, 2006, 10:24:00 AM
The talent of you guys is simply awesome...can't wait to see this bow finished. Now I'm off to go see what I can sell and at least bid on this bow once....
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dave Bulla on April 18, 2006, 12:39:00 PM
Back again.

Gonna jump forward to the finished project and get done with these pictures.

Here is the left side.
 (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/IMG_1786_1.jpg)

The right.
 (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/IMG_1787_1.jpg)

View from the belly.  I really like this angle.  The thin brown layer really matches the brown in the snakewood and ties it together.  That little tiny ridge across the belly makes a huge difference in the hand.  Feels real good.
 (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/IMG_1788_1.jpg)

Here is how it lays in the hand.
 (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/IMG_1789_1.jpg)

Looks nice among the dogwoods.  Since I did most of the work Easter Sunday, I thought some pics with our dogwood flowers would be appropriate.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Razorbak on April 18, 2006, 12:58:00 PM
Dave..that looks great
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: John Sturtevant on April 18, 2006, 01:29:00 PM
Really starting to come together.   Great job Dave.
I sure hope I get a chance to see the bow in person someday when it is finished.

I’d like to offer something for consideration.

I just finished a couple of bows with carp skin, and unless Tim has some longer ones then what I pilfered off of him at Mojam it may be difficult to get them to match in the center without a gap.  
If they are long enough, I’m sure Tim is capable of getting them spliced perfectly.
However…as I recall, I left the BB on the back of the handle squared off thinking there was leather going there and it would be rounded off then.  
Since this is not the case, another option would be to put a thin piece of horn on the back of the handle, maybe 3, 3.5” long and butt the carp skin to it.  It can be feathered into the skin the same way it is on the horn tips.   Instead of horn I suppose black leather and super glue could be used….but the horn would probably be what I’d use if it were my bow.  
Regardless, I believe the back of the handle is going to need some further shaping.

I’m not sure what the finishing plans are, but with T-bird it seems to take 8-10 coats with a lot of sanding to really blend everything in.   With care they melt in…..and in my opinion look better then any backing I’ve seen.   Just takes some effort to really do it right…..
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on April 18, 2006, 02:08:00 PM
Dave - I like the way you wrapped the shelves around to the belly. I bet it sits in the hand well. A bulbous locator handle? Uh-oh you just gave me an idea for an ambush bow handle.  ;)  

John - I like the sounds of using a horn overlay as a cosmetic solution to the skins problem.
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Post by: Littlefeather on April 18, 2006, 02:14:00 PM
John, I will probably use T-Bird. Not quite sure yet but don't worry about blending them too much. As long as they are close I'll make everything flow like it is one piece. As long as I have the time to get the finish work proper she should turn out really nice. Sorry I've not followed much of this thread. It's almost impossible on dial-up to deal with all the pics.

I lost a buffalo(carp) at lunch that would have probably done the bow backing without any gap. He won the battle and will swim for another day. CK
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Doug Campbell on April 18, 2006, 05:12:00 PM
Wow!! Lookin forward to seeing this'n when it's done.   :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dave Bulla on April 19, 2006, 02:11:00 AM
John, I'm kinda glad to hear you say that about the handle having not been rounded fully.  Every time I pick it up I want to put an overlay on the back to just complete the "feel" I like.  I was thinking that maybe so many people take for granted the flatness on the back of a handle that it just feels normal.  Since I've been adding the rounded overlays the flat back doesn't feel right to me.  Not really bad, just I like the rounded back better.  I might have to get on the horn tomorrow with Timo and Wingnut so we can decide what to do before I send it on.  I'd be happy to do a leather overlay or else send it to someone who might want to do a wood or horn one.  I've got some feather crotch black walnut here that has some incredible figure I could throw in if someone can cut lams good enough to make overlays out of it.  I used it on a recurve I repaired and it looked great but my table saw leaves a bit to be desired when trying to cut a clean lam.

Here is a picture.  It's artificial light but the figure shows up decent.  I'm thinking maybe make two lams and flip one for a mirror image then but the two ends together in the center of the bow so there is matching grain in both directions.
     (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/IMG_1790_1.jpg)

It was a piece of firewood I thought might have some nice grain by the way it split so I cut it and put some true oil on the cut to see what it looked like.  That was three or four years ago and it's been setting around ever since so it's probably nicely dried and doesn't show signs of cracking.  What would worry me is that it may be too brittle if cut into lams because what you see in the pics is basically end grain.  When I used it for the overlay I did, I kept it about 1/8" thick and then sanded it down some after it was glued in place.

Edit... Guess a picture by the bow handle for a size ref would be good eh?

   (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/IMG_1791_1.jpg)

And here is a side view of the wood.  It is one half of a crotch and I suspect the very best grain is right where I have it cut but a full length cut might reveal a nice piece too.  Yo can see by the ripples that the fancy grain runs all the way down but the crotch part probably stops about where the bottom of the big torn out looking spot is near the middle.
   (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/IMG_1792_1.jpg)

So Timo, how long are your fish skins?
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on April 19, 2006, 08:04:00 AM
At this point with all of the debate about how to terminate the skins, I'm tempted to terminate the skins.  LOL

Dave take a pic of the back of the handle, if you would so we can see what we have to work with.  I am not fond of the overlays on the back of the handle myself and prefer to round over my edges of the boo to get a more eliptical feel.  But that's my personal opinion.

If I remember right, the Tonkin on that bow is quite pretty, we might want to just leave it uncovered and go to finishing.

What do ya think?

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on April 19, 2006, 08:44:00 AM
Mike - I had no problems shooting it but I did notice the flatness on the back of the handle. Not saying it was bad but I could feel it. I could flip a coin on skins vs. no skins myself. I like the idea of the skins. They look really cool on a bow but this bow would look good either way. If we go with an overlay on the handle, I vote for horn. My .02

Tom
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: JC on April 19, 2006, 08:50:00 AM
Oh ya gotta do fish skins....nothin looks cooler on a selfbow to me. But then, I ain't never owned, built or shot one much...so what do I know   "[tunglaff]"
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dave Bulla on April 19, 2006, 12:20:00 PM
Tom, that's about how I'd sum it up too.  It's not a bad thing, just noticable and even if you do notice it, it's not any different than most other bows.  Heck, the glass lam bow I shoot all the time has about the same amount of flat on the back of it.  This bow is good looking enough that no matter what gets done it'll still be a great bow.  It can either be left as is, rounded a bit more, overlayed with ???? and it will not make a whit of difference.  It's still gonna be a special bow.  I really apologize if I've made a mountain out of a mole hill on this.

Mike, don't know if you've seen the second pic in my last post that showed the handle back or if the angle is not what you wanted so I'll post one from the side in just a bit.

Here ya go.
 (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/IMG_1794_1.jpg)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Littlefeather on April 19, 2006, 12:31:00 PM
I know I'm just the finish guy in this project but I gotta say that I think the skins are a "must do". Either carp or I have one really big bullsnake skin that I'd donate. I also hate the feel of a square edge on a bow handle. I think the overlay would be very nice although I think snakewood would be preferable to match the other snakewood. Just my 2 cents! CK
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: John Sturtevant on April 19, 2006, 01:13:00 PM
Mike, I might suggest the back of the handle needs some rounding either way, overlay or not.     I believe it can be shaped to suit with or without the overlay…..only reason to add it would be if it’s needed to help terminate the skins.  

Carp skins will add a touch of class to the bow in a way that only dead fish parts can.  Hope you decide to use them.  Probably increase the bidding 9.5% or so.
Maybe just send it on to Tim and see what he can do?   :)

(There was enough snakewood left for an overlay….and it would probably look better then horn.  Good thought Curtis.)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on April 19, 2006, 01:18:00 PM
John,

That's a good thought.  Let's send it on to TimO and let him work his magic with the carp and use the snakewood if necessary to terminate the carp in the middle and round the back a bit.

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Timo on April 19, 2006, 01:25:00 PM
I forgot how long the limbs are on this bow? I have some really long skins that could make it to the mid section,possibly.Got another idea or 2,but I'll wait till it gets here. :)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dave Bulla on April 19, 2006, 01:26:00 PM
That'll work.  I'll tube it up and head for the post office before work.
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Post by: Lost Arra on April 19, 2006, 01:59:00 PM
Count me in for the 9.5% higher bid for the dead fish parts.  :D
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on April 19, 2006, 04:04:00 PM
That's right, I forgot about the snakewood.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dave Bulla on April 20, 2006, 02:13:00 AM
The bow is in the mail as of yesterday.  Sent it priority and insured.  Should be at Timo's by Saturday-Tuesday-ish I'd think.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on April 20, 2006, 08:30:00 AM
Don't ya just get nevouser and nervouser as this thing goes along?
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Littlefeather on April 20, 2006, 09:29:00 AM
Sheesh, you have no idea how intimidating it is knowing I'll be the one following up on all you guys craftsmanship. Im scared to even think about touching the bow.  :scared:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on April 20, 2006, 09:46:00 AM
Curtis - I hear you loud and clear. Granted, I was sick while I was trying to get my part done but I was going slow and doing alot of tedious hand work. I normally knock out the horn overlays in one afternoon on my bows but the further this bow gets, the slower you have to work. You know you can do it faster but you don't want to screw up.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Timo on April 20, 2006, 05:10:00 PM
The bow arrived a few mins ago.......I am once again astonished by the quality of workmanship that is represented in this beaut! I won't even try to describe how well done everything is.....Just take my word for it.

I measured the necks, and they are narrow as 3/4", so the skins will be stopping in that area, and there won't be much showing,so the transition should be smooth.

A snake wood overlay would look nice, but after seeing it, I'm leaning towards horn.

Horn will- compliment the wonderful horn nocks,(luv that snake head Tom),and the horn belly,(wonderful job again John). Also the leather arrow rests are darker,(great job Dave)so it will also match well with them.

The back of the handle is flat, so some rounding can happen.( and needs to IMO).

Apply a strip of horn,shape it, and flow the skins into it, just like on the horn tips?

Also, can I scrape some of the rind down on the boo,without affecting the tiller much?
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dave Bulla on April 21, 2006, 03:02:00 AM
Wow, that was quick Tim.  I didnt' expect it to get there before Saturday.

Gotta ask, what do you mean by "flow the skins into it."  I'm guessing run them right on up over a ways and sand them so thin they just kinda melt into nothing?  That would look real cool the way I'm picturing it.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on April 21, 2006, 09:03:00 AM
Tim - Just a suggestion but it might be easier to lay down the skins first, then shape the overlay to outline and scribe the skins to it. I dunno, I'm sure you'll make it look good, whatever you do.

I think when Mr. Nagel wins the bidding   ;)  he should bring it to MOJam and we can all see the finished product. I also think it would be cool to extract and print all of the build-a-long info and pics (for both bows) and have everyone sign them as a momento for the winners.

Everyone's part in this bow is what makes it so special but I bet Mike can't wait to see it all done, eh?  BTW Are we gonna name this thing or does the winner do that?
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Post by: wingnut on April 21, 2006, 09:22:00 AM
Tim,

That sounds good, do what you think will work the best.  She's yours for a while now.  The back at the handles needs a bit of work yet by the looks of the pics.  Go ahead with the horn if you can blend the skins into it.  

To prep the back for glue, sand with 150 grit.  You don't need to take the all the rind off if you don't want too.

Mike
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Post by: John Sturtevant on April 21, 2006, 10:02:00 AM
Tim, I’d also vote you just do what you think is best.   Pretty sure it’s going to work out fine whatever you decide.   Could even be horn with a little pc of snakewood on top.  Maybe some detailed scrimshaw on the horn?    Some bull elk fighting….perhaps a turkey strutting….pigs rooting…. :)
Have fun!
As I recall JD sanded a little on the BB to clean it up.   I’m not familiar with the rind on Tonkin, but a little clean up shouldn’t affect the tiller.   I’ve stopped scraping all the rind off, and just lightly sand to clean up.   Skins seem to stick just fine.
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Post by: tradtusker on April 23, 2006, 09:00:00 AM
ttt
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Post by: '46 on April 23, 2006, 06:36:00 PM
Wow, this is lookin good fellas. The skins are but a  great finishing touch on an already outstanding bow.    :thumbsup:   Pictures Tim.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Timo on April 24, 2006, 09:18:00 PM
Got a piece of horn in the mail from John tonight,(Thanks John).Did a bit of prep work.

Thinned a piece of horn down,flattened the boo a bit,cut a sliver of snakewood to overlay on the horn. Everything is cleaned and ready to glue.

We have some big storms coming in right now, so will wait til tomorrow night to do some more work. I'll try to remember pics George? :)

The most difficult part about this,is filing the overlay in, without getting into Daves leather work!  Slow and tedious stuff. It's gonna be a ride!
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on April 25, 2006, 09:59:00 AM
Timo - The horn should scrape pretty easy with a razor blade. I like the razor blade because it's small, a little flexible and pretty easy to control. Those foam finger sanding boards work nice getting edges blended as well.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: John Sturtevant on April 25, 2006, 06:03:00 PM
Hope there is enough horn there to use Tim.
Don’t get stressed out over any of this.   It’s just a bow.  :)
(don't forget the scrimshaw)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Timo on April 25, 2006, 08:16:00 PM
Srimshaw smimshaw!  :)

I cut a 5" strip of horn,and shaped it close to desired size, I went ahead and radioused the ends so I wouldn't have that worry later.I planned on leaving them just a bit proud to let the skins but up tight, and flow into them making everything flush,

  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Timotoad/general/horn1.jpg)

With that in place I then cut a small strip of the snakewood,to compliment the horn, and tie the theme to the rest of the handle .

  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Timotoad/general/horn2.jpg)

Now the real work begins......Lots of patience was excersized here folks.....I used my fingers and thumbs as guide fences to make sure that I didn't get into Daves awesome leather rest.(one reason fences aren't made of flesh). All came through well.

  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Timotoad/general/horn3.jpg)

I feel like the handle is more suited for shooting now,as all the flat abrupt areas are now flowing into a rounder gentler handle. Also the pics don't do the snakewood justice.This stuff has got to be the prettiest wood I've ever seen.

Time to find the right pair of skins.
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Post by: Dano on April 25, 2006, 08:24:00 PM
Lookin good Tim, nice work. Am I the only one considering taking out a loan to bid on one of these bows?  :D
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Post by: AZStickman on April 25, 2006, 09:49:00 PM
:thumbsup:  Dang son that looks right nice.... Terry
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Post by: wingnut on April 26, 2006, 07:40:00 AM
Nice job Tim!!  Now on to the skins.  LOL

When's the auction?

Mike
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Post by: horseapple on April 26, 2006, 08:22:00 AM
Great job Tim, has a nice contrast with the arrow rest, gonna look great with the skins added.

Joe Don
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Post by: Tom Leemans on April 26, 2006, 08:36:00 AM
Now ya see? That's nice!

Timo - Can't you just imagine this bow under a finish? Gotta go get a lottery ticket today....
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Post by: Dave Bulla on April 26, 2006, 01:15:00 PM
Wow Tim, that looks absolutely great.  The color match to the leather and the rest of the bow is perfect.  I was wondering if you would run into troublewith the overlays and the shelves but it looked like there was about 1/8th inch of room.  Not much when dealing with power tools but enough for hand work as you found out.  Your idea of leaving an edge to but the skins up against is great.  You should be able to get a perfect transition after the skins are on.

By the way, what kind of glue did you use for the overlays?
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Post by: Bigriver on April 26, 2006, 05:31:00 PM
Awesome work . You guys are something.
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Post by: Tim Clark on April 26, 2006, 05:37:00 PM
W-O-W...
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Post by: John Sturtevant on April 26, 2006, 05:41:00 PM
Looks great Tim.  It was needing something on the handle back.    
Agree on the snakewood.  Nice stuff.   Wish it wasn’t so expensive.
Skins on the BB side, right?
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Post by: Ray Lyon on April 26, 2006, 05:54:00 PM
:notworthy:    :notworthy:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Timo on April 26, 2006, 06:10:00 PM
Got a set of skins thawing out. Yes John skins on the BB side!  ;)

Kind of was thinking on useing the darker side(upper back) of the skins instead of the lighter side(belly). There is more patterns running through the dark side than the light, but they are not as defined. The belly has a more open pattern, and on these narrow limbs, the pattern might get lost.

With the ageing/darkining of osage, the lighter skins look great,but with this BB being light and staying light? I'm thinking the darker skins will add more contrast?

I'll lay them out and use my best judgment?
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Post by: '46 on April 26, 2006, 06:19:00 PM
Very nice tim, can't wait to see the skins.
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Post by: John Sturtevant on April 26, 2006, 06:52:00 PM
Tim, I put the light / dark skins on sister bows (horn bellied static and flatbow) recently, and agree there is an entirely different look between the two.   Can’t decide which I like better, so guess I must like ‘em both.  :)    
Doubt you can go wrong no matter what you decide.
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Post by: Dano on April 26, 2006, 07:06:00 PM
Your the man on this job Tim, your judgment is best I know fur sure. I think your right the darker skins will prolly look great on bamboo.
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Post by: rocdoc on April 26, 2006, 09:14:00 PM
You guys MAKE ME SICK!!!

Just kiddin'......that is sure going to be ONE AWSOME BOW fella's!

Timo....did you have to flatten the 'boo before putting the horn on the handle overlay?  I've wondered about trying that, but was concerned about having to violate the 'boo to get the overlay to fit.    :confused:
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Post by: the Ferret on April 26, 2006, 10:16:00 PM
Dang Timo, that looks AWESOME! What a bow!
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Timo on April 26, 2006, 10:25:00 PM
Well the skins are on,but to pooped to post, so will have to wait till tomorrow night.

I use super glue for the overlays, and yes Doug I did flatten the boo a bit. Just enough to get a good glue surface.I didn't figure it was too much to hurt and don't really think this bow has much give in the handle anyhow.

I went with an in between on the skins.....Right down the middle of the fish. Kinda dissapointed in the top limb.The pattern was a bit less than in the bottom, but still I think it'll fly. :)
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Post by: rocdoc on April 26, 2006, 10:52:00 PM
With all the expertise put into this bow......I wouldn't be suprised it it DID FLY!!!  I've had a couple of them that flew....just as far as I could throw them.    "[laffsmyl]"

I wouldn't think that a little flattening would hurt it either Timo.....especially with that Tonkin 'boo.
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Post by: Tom Leemans on April 27, 2006, 11:14:00 AM
I wouldn't fret about the pattern too much Tim. You gotta have some randomness built in somewhere. Adds to the beauty of it all and gives folks more to look at.
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Post by: Timo on April 27, 2006, 10:26:00 PM
Been tryin to get photo buckets to work tonight, but it won't go.I'll keep tryin.

Did some trim work on the skins tonight,but still needs to set another day,before if finish them up. I'm pleased with the color.
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Post by: Dave Bulla on April 28, 2006, 02:27:00 AM
Tic toc tic toc tic toc........

Do you have dial up too?  I found that in the daytime it took me about 15 to 20 minutes to upload a single pic to photobucket but at about midnight it only took about 3 to 5 minutes.  Doing the "resize during export" from the photo software program to "my documents / my pictures" helped too.
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Post by: Doug Campbell on April 28, 2006, 09:38:00 AM
Tim probably had a birthday party to go to   :p  Hope ya had a goodun there Bud since I'm a day late.   :thumbsup:
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Post by: Littlefeather on April 28, 2006, 09:49:00 AM
Aw man, you mean Timo was doing bow work on his B-Day? I thought B-Days were fer Parties! Happy B-Day Timo! CK
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Timo on April 28, 2006, 08:27:00 PM
Most have seen how to apply fish skins.Not much different than snake, only a different smell?

The skins I picked were big boys. I lay them out and organize the pattern, by stretching them all directions.They stick quite well to cardboard, so movement is minimal.I've cut them down to 29".You can see the waste I have left over.

  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Timotoad/general/bby1.jpg)

Since this bow was narrow, I took the liberty of cutting the skins down,so they are easier to handle and less to trim later. Also I was able to pick the best area of pattern.

  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Timotoad/general/bby2.jpg)

Here is one side cut, and ready to glue on.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Timotoad/general/bby3.jpg)

I use regular titebond for this stuff now. I figure the glue doesn't have to be waterproof, as long as the finish is.I always wondered how waterproof most of that glue is anyhow?

I wet the bow lightly,and apply a thin  glue wash to the bow back.Then I make sure and cover the skin very well. I rub the glue into the skin to get complete coverage.

  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Timotoad/general/bby4.jpg)

The skins are then layed down just as you would a snake. making sure that all air bubbles are out,and that the pattern is in place.Lots of babysitting.Here's a pic of the skins ready to dry.( never mind that clutter in the background)

  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Timotoad/general/bby5.jpg)

And finally a pic for John Sturtevant.:)This is what a bench should look like?

  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Timotoad/general/shop.jpg)

I have some more pics to load of the bow, after it is cleaned up and ready to finish.I'll get them up later.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dano on April 28, 2006, 08:54:00 PM
OMG look at that workbench  :eek:    :rolleyes:  At least everything is in it's place. Nice skins Tim.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Timo on April 28, 2006, 08:57:00 PM
I put together a little collage for all to see.This baby is gonna rock someones bank account!

The finish will be the topper for sure!(no pressure Ck) :)   P.S.I need your mailing address!

  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Timotoad/general/bbycolloge.jpg)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dano on April 28, 2006, 09:00:00 PM
OH BABY!!!!
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Post by: Dave Bulla on April 29, 2006, 02:25:00 AM
OH MY GAAAAAAAAAWD!

Whudja look'et that!

Kinda makes a feller proud to see what can be accomplished for a worthy cause by a group effort here at tradgang.

I love the shot of the tip underlays and the skins are just flat awsome.  Looks like ya took them right out of the middle Tim, is that right?  Can't wait to see what it'll look like when Curtis puts the shine to it.

And you're right about this bow rocking the bank account of whoever gets it.  I'm trying to guestimate the final price and all I can figure for sure is it's gonna have a comma in the price somewhere....  Sure wish I could afford it myself even if I could never shoot it at my gorrilla draw.  I'd like to get it just to pass it around.  I think this would make an awsome story bow eh?
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: rainman on April 29, 2006, 02:42:00 AM
Please tell me you guy's are not going to put a leather handle on this bow and hide that wood.

Dan Raney
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Timo on April 29, 2006, 07:58:00 AM
Dave, In the pics on my computer, your leather shows up much better,and the snakewood,skin,and tipoverlay "snake eyes" show well also.Some of the quality was lost through photo buckets.

This bow is way to perty in the "flesh"!Until one holds it in their hands,it cannot be appreciated.

The skins did come from the middle of the fish, as the pics show.

Dan, I don't think it gets anything more than a finish.I vote no also on a handle wrap.

It was an honor to have worked onm such a fine bow.
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Post by: wingnut on April 29, 2006, 08:58:00 AM
Dan,

Not to worry, no wrap on this one.  It's too pretty to cover up.  LOL

Fine work Tim as usual.  I think everyone invloved did there finest work.  Now it's Curtis' turn and then we got her covered.

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Littlefeather on April 29, 2006, 09:18:00 AM
This is like Super Bowl, overtime, and there is only a few seconds left in the game. Fourth down and 30 yards to goal. All we need is three points to win and the Punter(Curtis) steps up to punt. No pressure here, all we need is three points and we're done. Easy right? Yea, right!

(for Timo)
CK
1573 Ckodre Rd.
Runge, Texas, 78151 (no mis-spellings)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Littlefeather on April 29, 2006, 09:22:00 AM
Oh, I wanted just a little input here. I've been thinking this would need a hunting bow finish all along but as it has progressed I've started thinking hand-rubbed would be the only way to finish this baby. Any input? CK
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Post by: John Sturtevant on April 29, 2006, 10:27:00 AM
Really nice job Tim.   Looks like it all worked out just like you planned it.

The finish will connect and showcase everyone’s efforts.  

Curtis, suspect the hand rubbed look would work.   You’ll be in the best position to make that call when you have the bow…and whatever you decide to do will be exactly what should be done.   :)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Lost Arra on April 29, 2006, 10:40:00 AM
This may not be appropriate but when both St. Judes bows are complete and photographed could they be listed on the classified section with the auction information? I know auctions are not officially allowed but I would see this as a single annual exception by Trad Gang for a good cause.

There are probably bow shoppers who hit the classifieds on Trad Gang but don't follow the BBY or the Osage auction threads on Pow Wow but when they see these masterpieces they might want to get in on the bidding. Since the purpose is to raise $, the more bidders the better.

Go ahead and can this thread if this is a dumb idea.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: wingnut on April 29, 2006, 11:18:00 AM
Curtis,

No pressure!!  I can tell you are a football fan.  Sending the punter in overtime during the SuperBowl with 30 yds to go.  Well maybe we need a place kicker instead.  Unless you are looking to dropkick it.  LOL

We got the idea anyway.  I'll make a run to HomeDepot to get some small cans today and get the carepackage in the mail.

Mike
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Post by: horseapple on April 29, 2006, 01:50:00 PM
Oh my goodness what a bow!!!  Tim the skins and overlay look great I love it.  My part in helping with this bow was small compard to you others gents... I'm speachless.

Joe Don
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Timo on April 29, 2006, 02:14:00 PM
Ck, I'll get her shipped your way Monday mourning.
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Post by: Littlefeather on April 29, 2006, 02:15:00 PM
LOL! Mike, Im blushing.   :knothead:    What can I say, I generally punt on second down anyway!   :bigsmyl:  

OK, Send in the "Place Kicker">>>>----->

Thanks Tim! CK
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dave Bulla on April 29, 2006, 04:30:00 PM
Curtis, I like the idea of the hand rubbed finish also.  If it shines, it will really show off the quality of the bow and if the new owner wants to hunt with it, there's no problem rubbing it down with string wax or paste wax to dull the finish then buff it back to a shine for the off season.

Edit:  I feel obligated to come back and add a qualifier....  Curtis, do what you are comfortable with.  Having worked on this bow, I understand how intimidating it is and it's not the kind of place to "try something new" unless you've got bigger b@lls than the average dude...  I don't know what kinds of finishes you are accustomed to doing but I've seen your bows and the craftmanship and finish quality looked very good to me so just go ahead and do whatever it is you think best.  Then go out and "field test" it in the back 40 with a sharp broadhead and something that squeals real loud when you shoot it.  You can say that it was all for quality control testing can't ya????
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on May 01, 2006, 09:11:00 AM
Curtis just check the wind before ya punt  ;)  I think it's destined to come out great looking no matter which way you decide to finish it.

It's just so cool to see how a bow that traveled so much and was touched by many people's hands, came together so nicely!
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Timo on May 01, 2006, 12:20:00 PM
The bow is on the way C.K.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Littlefeather on May 01, 2006, 01:41:00 PM
:scared:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Littlefeather on May 01, 2006, 01:41:00 PM
Timo, is there anything I need to know about finishing fish skins? Never done a fish. I steel wool inbetween finish coats on snake skins till they are so smooth that you can't tell if they are skins or painted on. I suppose the fish skins are the same????? Pointers would be appreciated. CK
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Timo on May 01, 2006, 02:11:00 PM
I never used steel wool over the skins.I suppose it would work. I always used 220grit and lightly sanded from handle to tip,as that is the way the scale pattern lays down. It seems that rubbing back and forth wants to lift some of the pattern. Other than that they are pretty much like snake skins.

I sanded  the skins lightly before I sent it your way. You'll notice that they appear to have white edges.That will go away after your first coat of finish.

 I think the bow is good to go as far as overall sanding, but you can give it a good going over.New eyes sometimes pick up things that others miss.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: JC on May 01, 2006, 02:22:00 PM
You guys have totally outdone yourselves....I don't think anyONE has done a bow like this before...it definately took a group of craftsman working together to build this one. It certainly will raise the money for a very special cause.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Terry Green on May 01, 2006, 08:03:00 PM
I'm just flabergasted       :readit:      

And truly greatful for the effort...Unvelievable.  I  knew you guys were building a bow....but had no idea to this extent!

You guys really are something else let me tell ya.       :notworthy:            :notworthy:            :notworthy:            :notworthy:            :notworthy:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dave Bulla on May 02, 2006, 11:49:00 AM
Is it there yet????!!!!

(Yea I know, it's only been one day...)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Littlefeather on May 02, 2006, 01:07:00 PM
Shhhhh! You can't rush a good thing! Besides, It's going to be a couple of weeks before you see the finish!  :readit:    :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Littlefeather on May 03, 2006, 07:19:00 PM
Well, I showed up to find several packages waiting on me when I got home. Timo wrapped the bow up really well thank goodness and it made it in one piece(no thanks to USPS). The package looks like it took a few bruises. Im just in total awe after looking the bow over. I am quite certain I've never seen finer work in any bow, all wood or not. This thing is pure perfection! No doubt, this bow is going to get a hand buffed finish!!!! I should get started on her soon. Waitin on some materials. Stay tuned, she's about to shine! CK

PS, has anyone had the guts to put some arrows through her? Not that I'm even thinking about it. Im afraid to touch her. Muy Bonita! CK
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Shaun on May 03, 2006, 07:36:00 PM
Curtis, shoot the dang thing - its a bow. You did not hesitate to pull the LDB did you? I briefly  considered blooding the ST J selfbow, but figured that right belonged to the highest bidder. But a target butt, well, that is science. Inquiring minds want to know...
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: kojac on May 04, 2006, 01:46:00 AM
UFF-DA, what a bow

great job guys

ck, I "WOULDN'T" recommend ya use that hot-box ya built w/the left over feather burner parts for curing this little gem!!  "[laffsmyl]"
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Doug Campbell on May 04, 2006, 10:09:00 AM
Wow!! Hadn't been on here for a few days, you guys have created an awesome piece of lethal art work there.   :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Chortdraw on May 04, 2006, 05:24:00 PM
Increadable skin work...  :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:  

Works of art!

Chort
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dave Bulla on May 06, 2006, 01:55:00 AM
ttt
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Post by: Littlefeather on May 06, 2006, 06:21:00 AM
Waitin on supplies.... Maybe today. CK
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on May 09, 2006, 01:38:00 PM
Curtis I ran a few dozen shots through it (see page 23 of this thread) Had to wait for cool humid weather so I wouldn't get the same results as John. (page 18) She's very quiet in the hand. Just use a stringer and brace it to clear your fletching. Try it out!
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Littlefeather on May 09, 2006, 03:26:00 PM
I'll consider it Tom...I'm real uneasy around the bow. Still awaiting materials but may start working on shelf material. I thought about gently carving SJ in some fine leather for each side on the arrow shelf. I was going to use calf hair rest but can't due to obvious hair reasons. CK
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on May 09, 2006, 03:46:00 PM
I'm assuming you mean arrow plate? I'd just put some thin leather on there that matches. Maybe slip a sliver behind the middle of it so the contact point is minimal. The carving idea sounds neat though.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Littlefeather on May 09, 2006, 05:10:00 PM
Correction: Arrow plate.  :D  

Remember, I'm the guy who punts for extra points.  :saywhat:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dave Bulla on May 10, 2006, 12:45:00 PM
Ha!  I understand your comment Curtis...."I'm real uneasy around the bow."

It's a bit intimidating aint it?
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on May 10, 2006, 12:52:00 PM
Tell me about it Dave. I took a hoof rasp to a beautiful bow with gorgeous underlays! Nothing like knowing you'll be removing something you can't put back on.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dave Bulla on May 12, 2006, 01:58:00 AM
ttt

(again....hint hint)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: AZStickman on May 12, 2006, 08:09:00 AM
Ok Guys.... Tradgang has agreed to archive the pics of this buildalong on their server all we need is for everyone who participated and posted pics to agree to let us do that.....Terry
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on May 12, 2006, 08:13:00 AM
Yessir
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Post by: wingnut on May 12, 2006, 09:36:00 AM
Go for it!!

Mike
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Post by: Littlefeather on May 12, 2006, 09:45:00 AM
I'll be shooting her this weekend if weather holds. Thanks Mike. CK
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on May 12, 2006, 12:27:00 PM
Hopefully with a finish on it?   ;)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dave Bulla on May 13, 2006, 01:42:00 AM
Well Tom, he DID say "if weather holds" so maybe she doesn't have her makeup on yet????

By the way, no problem on the pics from here either.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Littlefeather on May 14, 2006, 08:32:00 AM
Wanting to "shoot" the finish today but the weather looks to have other plans for me. Guess I'll "shoot" my new Traditionalist for fun. CK
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dave Bulla on May 15, 2006, 12:33:00 PM
:rolleyes:  tic toc, tic toc, tic toc......


Hhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm........not to sound like a little kid with the "are we there yet???" thing going on but "is it done yet?????"

  :banghead:    :banghead:    :banghead:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Littlefeather on May 15, 2006, 12:58:00 PM
Rain, rain, much wind, and did I say "RAIN"....(Have I failed to meet a time line?) CK
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Littlefeather on May 16, 2006, 09:28:00 AM
Ah yes, She is looking much better now. Soooooo smooth! Sooooooo slick! She is gonna be one sweet looker! A few more coats tonight and I'll rub her down! CK
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: UKarcher on May 16, 2006, 09:47:00 AM
I'm getting flashbacks to when my son was born. He made us wait too.
Graham
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on May 16, 2006, 11:15:00 AM
:campfire:

Waiting, waiting, waiting.  ;)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dave Bulla on May 16, 2006, 12:39:00 PM
Quote:
_________________________________________________________________________________

Rain, rain, much wind, and did I say "RAIN"....(Have I failed to meet a time line?) CK
_________________________________________________________________________________

Sorry Curtis...... no timeline, just some friendly heckling from the stands.  But in a been there done that kinda way.   :D       :thumbsup:  

So, when we gonna see Ms. Jude with her makeup on?

Oh wait, there I went and did it again.....    :banghead:      :banghead:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on May 16, 2006, 01:28:00 PM
no pressure
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Post by: Littlefeather on May 16, 2006, 02:19:00 PM
Ooooppps! I broke it!  :scared:   We better start another bow now so it's ready by the deadline.  :readit:  

When it's ready for finish, just send it to me.  :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on May 16, 2006, 02:22:00 PM
Nice try Curtis but I'll need to see the evidence.
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Post by: Ray Lyon on May 16, 2006, 03:04:00 PM
I think Wingnut put an eletronic tracer in the riser for this type of issue.  I'd sure hate to be Curtis when the long range stun beam hits him.   :smileystooges:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tim Clark on May 16, 2006, 08:38:00 PM
That's okay... there's some spare yew, we were expecting something like this!

But now Curtis has to replicate the entire thing, all by his lonesome.

(let's see how long it takes for THAT to make him 'fess up!)   :readit:      :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dano on May 16, 2006, 08:53:00 PM
Nice try Curtis, I bet Wingnutty is on the road in your direction as we speek, he'll prolly just strangle ya a little   :rolleyes:      :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Littlefeather on May 16, 2006, 09:51:00 PM
Shhhhhewww! At least that bought me enough time to shoot the last coats. Going to let her sit till tomorrow. No peeking!  :readit:  

I have to say that the reason I wanted to finish this bow is because I go to extreem in final sanding. I don't like the tiniest scratch left in the bow before I lay on finish. It always shows up later. I have to say I was quite impressed with the way the bow arrived. All the guys before me quite obviously put in their best work. It was difficult to actually find spots to touch up. I raise my glass to you guys!  :thumbsup:  After the final coat went on I was convinced that this was the cleanest finish I'd ever done. Im quite excited about buffing her out mirror smooth. More tomorrow! CK
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: John Sturtevant on May 17, 2006, 06:55:00 PM
Looking forward to seeing it.   Bet the snakewood looks great with a finish

Has anyone had the bow strung since the overlays were put on the back of the handle?
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Littlefeather on May 17, 2006, 09:41:00 PM
I just strung it about 15 minutes ago. It's sitting here beside me looking beautiful with her new finish. Im not sure pics will really show much in the finish but it's nice, smooth, no glue lines anywhere, no dust devils.... Nice.

I went through serious mental fatigue deciding if I would string her or not. I've drawn her about 20" and set her down. I couldn't show back up on T-gang if I broke it! Once the string settles in I'll unstring it and rub some more. I'd like to see someone design a special arrow pass. I don't have any good material. Nothing I'd want to put on this bow. CK
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dave Bulla on May 18, 2006, 01:49:00 AM
Yea, but the @$%$g quesiton is:  Do you have a digital camera????????  This is like reading one of Charlie Lambs "instalment stories" only the teasing is even worse....

   :bigsmyl:      :banghead:      :banghead:      :banghead:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Cody Cantrell on May 18, 2006, 10:09:00 AM
Curtis,
I have some beaver tail that would work for the arrow pass (strike plate?)if you want it.

Cody
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Littlefeather on May 18, 2006, 10:39:00 AM
Sounds exotic! Yea, why not a beaver tail arrow pass. Anyone have any objections?

CK
1573 Ckodre Rd.
Runge, Tx 78151 (no mis-spellings)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: JC on May 18, 2006, 10:45:00 AM
Bidding is gonna be serious for this honey.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on May 18, 2006, 01:14:00 PM
Why not use beaver tail? This bow's got just about everything else. I say go for it.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Ray Lyon on May 18, 2006, 01:47:00 PM
Mr. HK Extraordinare,

Aren't you going to post some eye candy for us?!

Pleasseee?  :help:
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Cody Cantrell on May 18, 2006, 02:30:00 PM
CK I will put a piece in the mail in the morning.
Cody
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Littlefeather on May 18, 2006, 02:48:00 PM
Thanks Cody!

 I will post some pics in the AM. I do think you will be disappointed in the pics though. I elected to go with a satin rub and no gloss. Basically, unless you are holding the bow where you can feel it and gleen light on it from different angles, you'd probably think it's just hand rubbed/polished wood. If you could hold it in the light though-Oooohhhhh man! CK
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on May 18, 2006, 03:04:00 PM
Pics never show the depth you see in person. It'd be cool if Weasel or someone could photograph both bows and the associated gear together. Heck, it could be an article in the Bowyer's Journal or something!
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Cody Cantrell on May 18, 2006, 03:49:00 PM
I'll second that!
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Littlefeather on May 18, 2006, 05:11:00 PM
Yea, I was thinking about doing an article on the bow as well. My Primitive Archer arrived two days ago with a similar bow project article. Looks like PA's guys got together and did somewhat of a project like the St Judes bow. BTW, Do we have a name for the bow yet???? It would be nice to call the bow by name. CK
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Post by: AZStickman on May 18, 2006, 05:21:00 PM
Curtis... That bow is named "Hope 2006".... Terry
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: John Sturtevant on May 18, 2006, 06:55:00 PM
Hand rubbed satin is good.   Bet it’s nice.
Don’t be afraid to shoot it.
Pretty good chance it won’t break....
Unless the finish weakened the wood fibers?  :)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on May 19, 2006, 12:02:00 PM
I bet you can't shoot just one arrow through it.
  :archer:

p.s. it's almost noon man! no pics?
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Danny Rowan on May 20, 2006, 05:47:00 AM
You guys really did an outstanding job on my bow. I really appreciate it,LOL.

Danny
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on May 20, 2006, 08:41:00 AM
Get your platinum card out Danny.


Uhhhh CK? Hows about some pics dude!?
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Littlefeather on May 20, 2006, 05:48:00 PM
I finally worked up the nerve to fling a couple of arrows through her. The two arrows were 3" appart at 15 yards. She is a sweet shooter but I will need to start going to the gym if I'm going to win the bow. She is stout! Have a look! CK

  (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/ck/hopehandle.jpg)

A look at her smooth belly.
  (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/ck/Hopebelly.jpg)

and a look down her back.
  (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/ck/hopeback.jpg)

Sweet hu? I'll start the bidding at a grand Danny! CK
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Danny Rowan on May 20, 2006, 05:54:00 PM
Ats ok, got a platinum card,LOL.

Danny
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Post by: wingnut on May 20, 2006, 06:05:00 PM
cool pics CK.

Mike
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Post by: Dave Bulla on May 20, 2006, 09:37:00 PM
Cool!  Great job Curtis.  Looks nice and smooooooooth.

Got any pics of the skins from a better angle after the clear went on?  I was wondering how the color and transparency would change after the clear went on.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dano on May 21, 2006, 07:37:00 AM
OUTSTANDING!!!Smooth as a babies bootie. Nice work CK.
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Post by: Shaun on May 21, 2006, 08:56:00 AM
CK, nice work on the finish. Have you put it on a bow scale? Last repoprt from John S back on page 20 something was 53-54#.

No fair starting the bidding so high, give a few guys a chance to own it even its only for a few minutes till the next bid.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on May 22, 2006, 05:34:00 AM
Outstanding Curtis!   :notworthy:   More pics would be great. (hint hint)
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Littlefeather on May 22, 2006, 07:49:00 AM
Tom, Only the first ones are free.  :bigsmyl:   I will get some more pics when I get the arrow pass complete. The bow now has skunk string silencers. Thought as exotic as everything else was Id place these skunk silencers on. I've been saving them for a special occasion. CK
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Cody Cantrell on May 22, 2006, 08:21:00 AM
CK
I sent you a PM on friday.  The arrow pass material is on the way, should be there today or tommorow.

Cody
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Post by: Ray Lyon on May 22, 2006, 01:42:00 PM
"Tom, Only the first ones are free."

Hmmm, that's an unfair advantage in order to try and build up your bow buying piggy bank!
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Cody Cantrell on May 25, 2006, 11:59:00 AM
No new Pics?  We're anxious CK!

Cody
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Post by: Littlefeather on May 25, 2006, 03:39:00 PM
Cody, I got the package. Thanks! I'll get pics up later. I'm headed off for a big hunt right now. I also have one final detail I need to work through and I'll get those last pics up. It won't be till after the weekend though. Thanks again! CK
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Post by: Cody Cantrell on May 26, 2006, 07:24:00 AM
Your Welcome.  Good Luck.

Cody
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Post by: AZStickman on May 26, 2006, 03:06:00 PM
I'd like to ask all the guys who built accessories for this package to show the pics of them if you could.... Thanks guys.... This is One of the nicest bow I've ever seen.... What a Team.....   :notworthy:    :notworthy:    :notworthy:  Terry
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Post by: Carbon Caster on May 26, 2006, 03:34:00 PM
Terry,

I am going to have the sheath finished for the knife that was Rainman built for it by the middle of next week.  If he doesn't have pics of the Knife, I can take some and post them.  That Snakewood is PRETTY Stuff!!!!!!  I hope my hack leatherwork doesn't ugly it up too much!!  LOL!!!

Brian
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Post by: AZStickman on May 29, 2006, 01:06:00 PM
ttt
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Littlefeather on May 30, 2006, 07:11:00 AM
Alright fellas, Im home and ready to get this package showcased. If you have accessories in this deal please email me with the specs so that I may get them accurately accounted for in the St Juded listing. Thank you and good luck on the bidding! CK
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Post by: wingnut on June 01, 2006, 09:12:00 AM
Curtis,

Thanks for taking the lead in my absence.  You did great bud.  I'm back now and ready to whip this horse to the finish.  LOL

First of all to clarify the rumors that are running around.  We did have a small problem with the handle overlay.  The snakewood that was put on the back of the bow with the horn popped.  Being yew, the bow flexs a little through the handle and the snakewood decided it didn't want to bend.  After discussing this with Curtis we decided to have the bow shipped here for Jason and me to bring home.

Our plan at the moment is to make sure the horn is solid and if so to shape and refinish it with the horn but not the snakewood.  The horn will flex and be there forever.

It was not Curtis' decision to not discuss this with the general public but mine.  We had called or emailed the bowyers involved with the project to get opinions but knew the bow was solid and would be fine.  We would have had this completed by now if I hadn't been called away for Connie's mothers funeral.  

The bow will be here on Monday and will be a first priority in our shop til it's ready to ship to the winner.

If you have any concerns or questions, please direct them to me at:

wingnut@dryadbows.com

Thanks,

Mike
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Tom Leemans on June 02, 2006, 11:21:00 AM
Thanks for posting Mike and whoever wins this bow, rest assured, will be the recipient of one extremely fine weapon.

Curtis - Thanks for catching the "problem" when you did. Better now than later.
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Terry Green on June 03, 2006, 10:25:00 AM
Man, that sure is one pretty bow....That collection of pics Timo took is working on me....might have to bid on it ......
Title: Re: St. Judes BBY build along? IT'S DONE!! Pics included
Post by: Dave Bulla on June 09, 2006, 11:09:00 AM
So what happened???

I can't find the bow on the St Judes forum.  The auction is over but I just looked for it to see what it ended up going for and can't find it.

Mike, I'm sure you and Jason can "Git 'er done" in style.