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Title: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: tms on July 17, 2005, 12:02:00 AM
Hey Guys,

Earlier this week I promised to post some pictures of the basket quiver that I'm making for Mike.  I decided to make it sort of a tutorial so that anyone else could build one if they wanted.  It's really simple to do, the hard part is just getting everything together.

I have a lot of pictures, but they're small enough that you can follow along on dial-up.

This will be a quiver about 23" long.  Mike asked for 22" but because of the tapered end, I've added an inch.

The first step is to get the materials.  I use mostly Chinese reed, which is available at any basket making supplies vendor.  For this quiver, I'm using 1/4" flat, 3/8" half oval (rounded), 3/4" flat,
      (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/tmsnoaa/.PICT0001.jpg)

1/8" round,
     (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/tmsnoaa/.th_PICT0004.jpg)

and 3/16" bamboo chair cane.
   (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/tmsnoaa/.th_PICT0005.jpg)

You buy this stuff by the pound, and in Seattle, it costs about $9.00/lb
     (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/tmsnoaa/.th_PICT0003.jpg)

I'll post a link to my source at the end of the sequence.

Tom
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: cjones on July 17, 2005, 12:05:00 AM
Can't wait to see this one. Might have to get my wife to make me one.
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: JHR on July 17, 2005, 12:18:00 AM
Cool!! Another build-along. What fun we have.

This be an excuse, I mean reason to have another quiver.

Thanks,Jerry
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: tms on July 17, 2005, 12:40:00 AM
Hey Chad,

When MY wife read your post, she pointed out two typos in my original.  Oh well, I guess we all have our talents.

Okay, the first thing to do after buying the material, is to prepare the amount that you need.  For this quiver, we'll use eleven 25" uprights of 3/8" half oval.  Since ten of them are symetrical, we can combine them into five, 50" pieces, plus one 25" piece.  You always need an odd number.

Determine the amount of flat, round, and cane material you need according to whatever pattern you've chosen.  I usually guess on the long side, as the the stuff's cheap enough, and it's a pain to prepare more if you come up short.

Put all the material in a tub or sink and soak it in hot water.  How long depends on your reed, your water and the temperature.  Go eat lunch or prepare your stains while the reed softens.  Be sure to allow enough time, the reed is very brittle when dry, and soaks up a lot of water.  You can't overdo this step, so take your time
     (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/tmsnoaa/.th_PICT0006.jpg)

The stains I use are water based analine dyes available at any woodworking store, or online from Rockler, or Woodcrafter.  I use the water based because I think they have a more muted color than the alcohol based dyes.

Alcohol based dyes are more color fast, and a whole lot easier to use because they don't bleed as much when working the wet reed.  I just can't get used to their vibrant color.  It seems to me that an accessory used in the woods should have a woodland color and not some brilliant eye popping hue that looks out of place.

Okay, enough soapbox.  Use alcohol based dyes, and save yourself some hassles.  Maybe I just need to learn to mix them better.

Dye the reed you want for color.  I put mine in the microwave to heat it up a bit and it seems to make the water based dyes penetrate better.  I'm not sure I'd try that with the alcohol based dye, it probably doesn't need it anyway.
    (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/tmsnoaa/.PICT0009.jpg)

Oh yeah, wear gloves, or you'll have the dye bleeding out of your fingers when you handle the reed, and then you will really have a mess.

Tom
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: tms on July 17, 2005, 01:09:00 AM
So, after the half oval uprights have soaked enough to become pliable, they need to be trimmed in the center to allow enough room for them all to come together at the tip.  I usually trim about 5-6" out of the center, from the FLAT side of the reed.  Trim down to about half the thickness.
    (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/tmsnoaa/.PICT0011.jpg)

The reed cuts easily when wet.  Don't try this without soaking it first, or you'll screw it up, and I can't help you with it.  Follow instructions, okay?

After you've trimmed the centers of the 50" pieces, it's time to put them on the form.  The form I use to make a 3" diameter quiver, is a piece of 2 1/2" schedule 40 PVC pipe.
    (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/tmsnoaa/.PICT0007.jpg)

Notice that the edge has been eased with a rasp.  About a 1/2" champher will do, more might be nice.  The pipe should be about 3" longer than the length of the quiver you want to make.  The holes in my form are from another use, and are not necessary.

I use a 2x2" mounted in my vise, to put the form on.  The form rotates freely so that I can get to any point on the quiver that I need.
    (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/tmsnoaa/.PICT0008.jpg)

The uprights are folded around the end of the form and held in position with rubber bands.  Try to bring the folds together at a point and space the reeds evenly around the form.  The last, odd upright should be inserted when everything else is even and looks good.
  (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/tmsnoaa/PICT0012.jpg)
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: KyLongbeard on July 17, 2005, 01:13:00 AM
I've been reading all these build-alongs and it's giving me some great ideas!
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: tms on July 17, 2005, 01:45:00 AM
Next,  dig the bamboo chair cane out of the sink, and stick it under one of the uprights and start weaving over and under around the form.   Pull it up snug , but not tight enough to deform the shape of the quiver.  Make sure that each row is snug against the last.
  (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/tmsnoaa/.PICT0014.jpg)

It's a good idea to work over a clean floor, because the long end of wet cane, or reed, will pick up any dirt, sawdust, or table scraps you've left lying around.  And try not to step on it will ya?

Work your way around, and be careful to maintain the shape that you want the thing to have.  As you work further, be sure to roll the rubber bands down ahead of you.  If you have the bands too close, it will tighten the circumference too much, and it'll just be a pain to work as well.
  (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/tmsnoaa/.PICT0017.jpg)

About the time you get to the edge of the form, and the end of the tapered section, It's time to change to the 1/8" round reed.  It's a good idea to overweave a small section with both materials to ensure that the ends are well secured.
  (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/tmsnoaa/.PICT0020.jpg)

The round stuff, although stiffer, is much easier to weave 'cause you don't need to worry about keeping any twist out of it.  I make about eight circuits around the form with the round before I change to the next material.

Tom
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: ber643 on July 17, 2005, 06:24:00 AM
I saw someone wearing one of this at ATAR the past weekend and it really looked neet in use, I'm here to tell you. Can't even remember now if it was a kid or adult - doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: ky_longbow on July 17, 2005, 06:26:00 AM
ill follow this thread closely.............always wanted to make on of these!
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: Killdeer on July 17, 2005, 06:40:00 AM
I am all eyes!  :eek:
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: Osagetree on July 17, 2005, 08:02:00 AM
MORE, MORE!
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: frankb on July 17, 2005, 08:09:00 AM
"Don't try this without soaking it first, or you'll screw it up, and I can't help you with it. Follow instructions, okay?"

I love it when these build-aongs are catered for my specific needs!"


 :D   Thank you, thank, you, thank you!   :D

-Frank B
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: countrygirl on July 17, 2005, 10:05:00 AM
Now this is a cool thread.
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: Philip Morris on July 17, 2005, 10:31:00 AM
I agree, gonna try this myself.
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: ky_longbow on July 17, 2005, 11:06:00 AM
Thomas- i see a video in the works.........heck id gladly pay you for one............   :thumbsup:  
anyone else willing to lay down some cash-for knowledge?????
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: Flatstick on July 17, 2005, 11:33:00 AM
The information on this site is endless! Thanks for giving us another great build-a along  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: Hawken1911 on July 17, 2005, 11:36:00 AM
This brings back memories Tom.  I made the one partially shown below about 15 years ago.  I haven't weaved anything since then, but my quiver finally started to fall apart last month.  Your thread has me thinking about trying to make a replacement now.  Thanks.

  (http://www.scarletcompany.org/SC%20PHOTOS/locksley.jpg)
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: ky_longbow on July 17, 2005, 02:26:00 PM
hawken- maybe your quiver aint fallin apart-MAYBE that big critter peeking from behind that tree got ahold of it........
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: Teacher_of_the_Arcane on July 17, 2005, 08:49:00 PM
Tom,

After you've shown us how to do it, you should print it out and send it to "The Bowyer's Journal"  .... Brian's looking for good stuff!
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: tms on July 18, 2005, 12:01:00 AM
Okay Gang,

Back to work!  I'm skipping ahead a little.  My last post suggested eight circuits with the 1/8" round reed after the chair cane.

Assuming you've done that, I add a few circuits with the 1/4" flat reed.  You'll notice that the 1/4" flat is really easy to soften.  It's also less ridged when dry, so I try only to use it for accents.

After the flat accent, I repeat the eight circuits with the round.  The round reed makes a very strong basket, but at only 1/8", it goes pretty slowly, and without some contrast it would be pretty boring, IMHO.  Some of you might think that my patterns are too busy, well fine then, make your own damn quiver!  You should be able to  when we're done with this.

Next, I start a run of the 3/4" flat.  The important thing here is that we're going from 1/8" round to 3/4" flat. That's big difference, so we're going to have to taper the flat to make a smooth transition.  Remember to cut it after it's soft, or you'll screw it up.

 (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/tmsnoaa/PICT0002a.jpg)

Tuck it in, and proceed as before.  You'll notice that this is really easy stuff to weave, and at 3/4", you're really makin' tracks now.

 (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/tmsnoaa/.PICT0025.jpg)

When you get to the end, don't forget to taper it for the transition back to the 1/8" round.  Yes, we're going back to the round, because it adds contrast, and strength in the middle of the quiver, and because I like it that way.

 (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/tmsnoaa/PICT0005.jpg)

After the round, comes another section of the 3/4" flat, and then you should have something that looks like this.

 (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/tmsnoaa/PICT0006.jpg)

Tom
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: tms on July 18, 2005, 12:21:00 AM
Alright then,

We're getting near to the end of the prescribed length, so it's time to plan for the end of this puppy.

I'm going to finish the top of this quiver differently than the way those in last week's post were finished.  In the past, I've finished the top using a two part ring of half round that sandwiched the uprights, then I bound the assembly together with chair cane.

I'll give some tips on how to do that later, because I'm going to finish this one by transitioning to 1/8" round uprights, and doing a round over weave.  I think it will make a stronger and more reliable top.

Start by inserting 1/8" round reed on either side of the ouside uprights at the end of the last circuit

 (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/tmsnoaa/PICT0007.jpg)

Cut them to about 14" length.

 (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/tmsnoaa/PICT0008.jpg)

Then, weave a section of 1/8" round to finish the length of the quiver.  Include the rounds with the half oval uprights as you go around.  When you've reached the desired length, cut off the excess half oval.

 (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/tmsnoaa/PICT0010.jpg)

We're now ready to start the top ring.

Tom
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: tms on July 18, 2005, 12:56:00 AM
I'm going to apologize in advance here, because I didn't take enough pictures of the next step.  I'll try to do a good enough job of describing what goes on.

By now, you should have a quiver of the length that you want, with a bunch of 1/8" round uprights sprouting from the top at regular intervals all around.  Now's the time that the quiver comes off of the form.  This can be kinda tricky, because the reed shrinks as it dries.  It might be a good idea to have someone help you pull it off.  It also might be a good idea to wax the form berfore you start, but I've never tried it.

Once the quiver is off of the form, sit down, and hold it between your knees to do the next steps.  You need to bend the uprights 90ยบ, and around the next upright to the outside.  Tuck it in behind the second upright, and repeat with the next upright behind the first.

You can do this either clockwise, or counter clockwise, it doesn't matter which way you go.  I bend clockwise, and proceed counter clockwise, but I'm left handed, so do what's comfortable for you.


 (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/tmsnoaa/PICT0024.jpg)

Once you've made your way around, you can continue to spiral the rounds around the adjacent pieces.  lay them together like a cable, going out, around, under, and in.


 (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/tmsnoaa/PICT0019.jpg)

Pull them snug, but not too tight, or you won't have room to get the next ones in.  When you're done, snug them up all around, and cut off the excess.  Don't cut them off too short, or you'll be pissin' and moanin' as the ends pull through.

 (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/tmsnoaa/PICT0031.jpg)

When you're done, it should look something like this.

 (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/tmsnoaa/PICT0033.jpg)

Now, you have a quiver, but no way to hang it, that's next.

 (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/tmsnoaa/PICT0034.jpg)

Tom
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: tms on July 18, 2005, 01:16:00 AM
Whew!

Let's finish this thing up, okay?

We need to have a way to attach a strap to the quiver.  What I like, is to make a couple of rings from 1/8" round reed, and weave them into the quiver.  Your reed needs to be VERY soft for this step. If you can't bend it around your finger like this, don't start until you can.

  (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/tmsnoaa/PICT0041.jpg)

I pick a spot on the quiver to put the strap.  Usually, that's the upright where all the transitions are, since it will be against the wearer's back, and thus hidden from view when in use.

It's sometimes helpful to use an awl to open up the weave, so that you can insert the reed for the ring.

  (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/tmsnoaa/PICT0043.jpg)

I like to make a double loop so that it's less likely to deform under a load of 800 grain arrows.  Weave it in and out of the fabric of the quiver for a couple of courses, for each end, and tuck the ends in.  Put a ring at each end, on the same upright, and you're done.

   (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/tmsnoaa/PICT0056.jpg)

Now, give it to someone who makes it look good!

  (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/tmsnoaa/PICT0054.jpg)

That's all folks!  Hope you had fun with this, I did.  

My source for reed and cane is
  The Weaving Works (http://www.weavingworks.com)
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: Killdeer on July 18, 2005, 05:36:00 AM
Mr. Scott, that was several jobs well done! The quiver you make is a thing of beauty, you have obviously put in many hours learning the weaver's skills. That you would share what you know is a generous gift to us all. Your text was most entertaining, while easy to follow and contained appropriate warnings about the places where it would be easy to mess up. It was as though you had seen me work! I was impressed also with the photography, as the pictures clearly show what you were relating.

The job that you did best was the most important, and the results are plainly evident in the smile on your wife's face as she waltzes off with her fine new quiver!

Kudos, sir, and a heartfelt "Thank You"!
Killdeer   :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: ber643 on July 18, 2005, 06:50:00 AM
Great instructor and instructions (and I went to a lot of scools for that, and did a lot of it, in the MC, so I do know what it means to be one.)   :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: TexMex on July 18, 2005, 10:05:00 AM
:thumbsup:    :thumbsup:    :notworthy:
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: Marvin M. on July 18, 2005, 10:55:00 AM
Excellent!!!  I think I might even be able to follow that.
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: mike g on July 18, 2005, 12:01:00 PM
TMS....
    What can I say....Your Basket Quiver speaks for it's self....
    Very nice craftmanship....  :thumbsup:    :notworthy:  
    I will be patiently waiting....
I also sent ya a message....
    Thanks again my friend....
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: tms on July 18, 2005, 01:59:00 PM
Thanks everyone,

You're all too kind.

Killi,
I actually have only read one small paperback manual on basket weaving, the rest was a bit of trial and error.   This quiver is actually trade goods for Mike G., in exchange for one of his excellent arm gaurds.  Kris (my wife) only gets to model it.  Her quiver is the green one in the previous picture.  It's supposed to go with her green an yellow fletchings (that seem to disappear amongst the dandilions).

I would encourage anyone to try this, it's really very easy, and goes pretty quickly from start to finish.

I tend to make very stiff and rugged quivers to protect the arrows, because I'm pretty hard on stuff.  But you can also make soft basket quivers that would conform more, and probably be quieter as well.

Tom
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: Philip Morris on July 18, 2005, 03:20:00 PM
preciate all of the fancy learning.  Gotta go get some of the materials now.

Phil
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: Bible5 on July 18, 2005, 03:31:00 PM
Thankyou very much for the buildalong!
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: Boris&Natasha on July 18, 2005, 04:19:00 PM
Great build-a-long!  Now I just have to get my basket weaving wife to give it a shot.  Lord knows I'd hurt myself if I tried.   :thumbsup:  

John
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: frankb on July 18, 2005, 05:08:00 PM
Beth already promised to help me build one first, John!    :D    

Sweet build along, Tom... great pictorial.  Thanks a bunch.

-Frank B
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: Sawdust on July 18, 2005, 05:33:00 PM
Outstanding, on the quiver and the build-along.  I think about one of those cool wearing basket quivers every time I saddle up under my nice toasty, heavy, leather back quiver in this Texas heat.  With your fine tutelage I think I might be up for attempt.

Mickey Russell
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: frankb on July 18, 2005, 05:41:00 PM
Heard that Sawdust.  

I shot a 40 target course yesterday... and I was soaked down to the skivies.  

Can't say I didn't think of that basket more than once... LOL  :D

-Frank B
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: kcdaniels on July 18, 2005, 05:42:00 PM
That was fantastic  :)    :thumbsup:  

Thanks for sharing.

Dan
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: Roadkill on July 28, 2005, 08:29:00 PM
wow=a good instructions as could be found-thanks
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: Dryrot on July 29, 2005, 10:22:00 AM
Man...Ya'll gotta quit showin' all this how to stuff, I aint got time to do nuthin' no more.
  :eek:  

Cool stuff!
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: TexMex on July 29, 2005, 11:09:00 AM
Think you ought to put this one in How2  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: Dano on July 29, 2005, 11:47:00 AM
Great build a long Tom, thanks for taking the time to share your talent with us. Yet another craft I'd like to learn   :D
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: tms on July 29, 2005, 12:08:00 PM
Thanks Dano,
 
And likewise.  I've always wanted to try my hand at bladesmithing. Thanks to your build along,  I know where to start.

Doing the build along was fun, but I'm really looking forward to seeing a quiver that someone has made starting with my instructions, and then adding their own touches.  It's the contributions of others that keeps me coming back here.

Tom
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: Blaine on July 29, 2005, 12:59:00 PM
tms, count me in.  This sounds like a great rainy day project for me an the younguns.  Craft day has taken on a whole new meaning in my house since I started reading this site.
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: Biff on July 29, 2005, 01:27:00 PM
I just recieved my reed from weaving works, can't find 2-1/2" pvc. All Lowe's has is 2" and 3". May have to improvize the form. Dieing to get started.
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: tms on July 29, 2005, 01:39:00 PM
Hey Biff,

That's great.  Best of luck.

I did a Google search for "plumbing, Jackson, Tennessee" and found this

  Kenny Pipe & Supply (http://yellowpages.superpages.com/profile.jsp?T=Jackson&S=TN&LID=q5N2VuJOg9YEvfLjQBq%2F2w%3D%3D&SRC=local)  

They may have short lengths of 2 1/2 plastic pipe

Tom
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: Roadkill on July 30, 2005, 12:33:00 AM
Looked all over Reno-no supplier-ordered my materials from MI.  all of the ones you listed and shipping for under $30-enough to do a couple.
Arnies Art n craft.

You truly mastered the art of telling us how to do it!
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: wolfhawaii on July 30, 2005, 05:44:00 PM
This is really cool....well explained and illustrated...I would like to try this sometime...definitely hope this goes in the How To section! Wado, Steve
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: Blaine on September 05, 2005, 12:59:00 PM
TTT  I am tired of having to do a search after each step.  Pics to follow.
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: skillet on September 06, 2005, 07:49:00 AM
Do you stuff anything in the  bottom of the quiver? Does it carry broadheads ok?

Very nice....
Title: Re: Basket Quiver Build-along
Post by: tms on September 06, 2005, 07:30:00 PM
I've never put anything in the bottom, as I think that the taper helps to keep the arrows from rolling around too much.

I've never tried broadheads in it, as I think that it would be too noisy for a hunting quiver.

Tom