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Title: "A Quiver To Hunt With"
Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 17, 2003, 06:50:00 AM
Still, I can't help but like the aesthetics, ease of arrow retrival, and versatility of a good back quiver - Lord knows I've crafted enuf of 'em.  But getting through the thick woods brush and lack of fletching covers are the downsides of a big back broadhead bucket bag (say that 10 times fast     :D     ).  

In the Fall 2001 issue of Instinctive Archer Magazine, Scott Toll's article on "A Quiver to Hunt With" has had me jonsing to build a quiver based on Scott's design.  

Notice how it can slide from the standard back position to a "slung low 'n' forward" position for crawling around the underbrush without arras gettin hung up.

Studying the design from the pics and article text, Scott favors a shorter quiver length to make it easier/quicker to extract broadheads.  Also notice the strap top and bottom attachments - a wider laced/sewn top flap and the bottom attachment rides up aways from the bottom, on the quiver's side.

This design will absolutely become my next hunting quiver.

    (http://www.tradgang.com/user_images/toll3.jpg)

    (http://www.tradgang.com/user_images/toll2.jpg)

    (http://www.tradgang.com/user_images/toll1.jpg)

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Title: Re: "A Quiver To Hunt With"
Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 17, 2003, 06:57:00 AM
Okay, a better perspective of Scott's quiver for us rightys ... BTW, Scott's a big fella and he shoots 30"-31" arras.

     (http://www.tradgang.com/user_images/toll3r.jpg)

     (http://www.tradgang.com/user_images/toll2r.jpg)

     (http://www.tradgang.com/user_images/toll1r.jpg)
Title: Re: "A Quiver To Hunt With"
Post by: the Ferret on November 17, 2003, 07:17:00 AM
Boy those black and white photos (supposedly how deer and other hooved mammals see the world) sure show the effectiveness of plaid at breaking up your outline eh?
Title: Re: "A Quiver To Hunt With"
Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 17, 2003, 08:37:00 AM
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Originally posted by the Ferret:
Boy those black and white photos (supposedly how deer and other hooved mammals see the world) sure show the effectiveness of plaid at breaking up your outline eh?
Yup, we doan need no steenkin camo.  :cool:
Title: Re: "A Quiver To Hunt With"
Post by: Marvin M. on November 17, 2003, 08:55:00 AM
Hey Rob,

Thanks for scanning those mags and making them available to us.  I got into trad after IA shut down, so never got to read them.  I got one of your CD's and have gotten so many great ideas and tips from them that I wouldn't get rid of them for anything.  

I am still working my way through them and haven't gotten up to 2001 yet.  Maybe I will skip ahead and look that article over.  I have been trying to figure out a "good quiver" to use.  For now I am using a (rudimentary) back quiver I made since I don't like  a bow quiver, but this might fit the bill for me.

Thanks again for making this knowledge available to us rookies.

Marvin
Title: Re: "A Quiver To Hunt With"
Post by: huntsmanlance on November 17, 2003, 11:48:00 PM
Hey Rob, i have made a few back quivers...of course i had to! They just look sooo cool!!!  But i quickly learned what you talked about...trying to crawl around or duck under trees / brush and they are a pain...plus the fletchings showing over your shoulder. Another problem i found was the noise they make when you carry a bunch of arrows in them.

The one that Mr Toll made looks like it would work fine! Not to much different from a side quiver....

In the first two pics you can see where it appears that the bottom strap actually wraps all the way around the quiver, meat bag and all...I guess so you could move it up or down according to what the situation calls for....but in pic three you can't see it....

I have played around with putting fur around the top of the quivers to help quiet them down....but it seems to me that the broadheads would get caught up in it. What type of broadheads do you shoot? and have you tried the Wensel Woodsmen 3 blades?

I see where he has two arrows free and the rest tied off to one side....that would work but dang i like to carry an assortment of different heads (broad, blunts, judo's) and there "just has to be a better way" to do this!!! LOL  perhaps sleeve dividers?

Okie "got me pondering" Lance
Title: Re: "A Quiver To Hunt With"
Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 18, 2003, 06:18:00 AM
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Originally posted by huntsmanlance:
Hey Rob, i have made a few back quivers...of course i had to! They just look sooo cool!!!

Yup!

But i quickly learned what you talked about...trying to crawl around or duck under trees / brush and they are a pain...plus the fletchings showing over your shoulder. Another problem i found was the noise they make when you carry a bunch of arrows in them.

For sure - I agree!

The one that Mr Toll made looks like it would work fine! Not to much different from a side quiver....

The best of both worlds - back and side quiver.

In the first two pics you can see where it appears that the bottom strap actually wraps all the way around the quiver, meat bag and all...I guess so you could move it up or down according to what the situation calls for....but in pic three you can't see it....

In the IAM article, Scott explains that the strap must be adjusted somewhat tight and up into the armpit, for the best control.

I have played around with putting fur around the top of the quivers to help quiet them down....but it seems to me that the broadheads would get caught up in it.

I just don't see a functional need for lining any part of the quiver with fur.

What type of broadheads do you shoot? and have you tried the Wensel Woodsmen 3 blades?

Yep, currently my shafts are tipped with WW's and Grizzly's.

I see where he has two arrows free and the rest tied off to one side....that would work but dang i like to carry an assortment of different heads (broad, blunts, judo's) and there "just has to be a better way" to do this!!! LOL  perhaps sleeve dividers?

I think it all depends on what yer doing - two shafts free at all times seems plenty for most deer stalking.  I use a double or triple divider for small game and roving (just lacing across the mouth of the backquiver).  

IMO, one key is in covering the broadheads - easy to make covers for a 2-blade, but not so easy (as I've found) for a 3-blade.  If the covers are connected (as Scott shows) and that connection lacing is tied to the quiver bottom, arrow retrival is fast and easy and the heads are well protected.

Okie "got me pondering" Lance

Me too ... I'm trying to see if there are any other functional mods that might help ... got a new half hide of latigo to work with so I've no excuse for not building one!   :D  
Title: Re: "A Quiver To Hunt With"
Post by: Montauks on November 18, 2003, 09:40:00 AM
Hi all, For hunting this season I've been trying a GN quiver on my longbow, I don't think it's for me. How many hunting arrows does one need in a day? (whitetail deer) for me I think the next time out I'll bring two arrows, one in my bow hand and the other either in a leather boot in my back pocket or perhaps strapped to my bow. Has anybody else taken this approach and forsaken any quiver at all?  :rolleyes:  


Why do people drive on parkways and park in driveways? - Steven Wright
Title: Re: "A Quiver To Hunt With"
Post by: Marvin M. on November 18, 2003, 10:41:00 AM
Hey Rob,

I've got the bug to make a new one too.    :D  I'm going to start looking for some leather.  My first attempt was pretty crude but serviceable, and I have used it this year.  I put foam in the bottom of it as a buffer but did not insert the broadheads into it.  I did make some booties for my Magnus Stingers to keep them from dulling.  I put dividers to separate judos and flu-flu's from broadheads.  When you hunt from stands (like I usually do) the noise is not a problem because I take the quiver off when I get to the stand, but the article you referenced seemed to have good ideas for keeping them quiet and I will start using some of those ideas.  :thumbsup:  

The foam would probably work OK, but I feel like you would still need something to hold them at the top, maybe a piece of leather with holes and a cut into the hole to hold the shaft like a bow quiver would.  That would keep them from rattleing around at the top (fletching rubbing together) if they weren't totally secure at the bottom.  You could probably tie that on at the top, and not make it into the quiver.  Have it facing the front to make it easy to get them out.

I like the idea of connecting the broadhead boots together, but understood from the article that they were not tied into the quiver bottom, but simply tied together and the weight of the other arrows kept the boot in the quiver.  That way, there is not a problem with inserting them into the boots in the bottom of the quiver.  They have instructions there for making the boots, and I will have better boots for my heads next time.

The Summer 1997 IAM had an article called "Making Quivers" by Bob Krout.  I am going to use that pattern to make my next one and use some of the ideas from the article you mentioned above.  

Did you understand what he was talking about to make the quiver hang better under the arm?    :confused:  I couldn't tell if he was advocating a shorter strap, or moving the strap higher on the quiver?  I tried it with my other quiver yesterday and it just didn't feel right, and hung too far forward to be able to shoot.    :mad:  Can you explain that further?

Thanks,
Rob
Title: Re: "A Quiver To Hunt With"
Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 18, 2003, 02:25:00 PM
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Originally posted by Marvin M.:
...  The Summer 1997 IAM had an article called "Making Quivers" by Bob Krout.  I am going to use that pattern to make my next one and use some of the ideas from the article you mentioned above.

Or give my backquiver pattern a go ...

   http://www.rfd.cc/ta/backplan/

Did you understand what he was talking about to make the quiver hang better under the arm?     :confused:   I couldn't tell if he was advocating a shorter strap, or moving the strap higher on the quiver?  I tried it with my other quiver yesterday and it just didn't feel right, and hung too far forward to be able to shoot.     :mad:   Can you explain that further?

Though I haven't built Scott's design yet, IMO it all hinges on several points - the quiver needs to be some what short in length to better facilitate arra removal; the bottom strap attachment needs to be as shown in the pics, up aways from the quiver bottom; the strap must be adjusted so that the quiver's upright and slug low positions feel "right" and are functional.  I need to do a buncha testing ...

Title: Re: "A Quiver To Hunt With"
Post by: WoodChips on November 18, 2003, 03:24:00 PM
I haven't read the article yet but it looks like from the pictures that the bottom of the strap is a loop around the quiver. If this is so, I think it would facilitate easy adjustment of the strap with varying layers of clothing just by sliding the loop up or down the quiver. It would also let the strap ride up close to the armpit as mentioned.

This got me to thinkin' and I may give it a try and test the strap looped around the bottom.
Title: Re: "A Quiver To Hunt With"
Post by: the Ferret on November 18, 2003, 03:36:00 PM
Montauks check out a little quiver sold by Dean Torges called a "Thompson Double Header"..holds (2) 2 bladed broadhead arrows

He also sells a "Solo Stalker" which holds one arrow.
Title: Re: "A Quiver To Hunt With"
Post by: Marvin M. on November 18, 2003, 03:42:00 PM
Rob,

Used your pattern for my first one,   :thumbsup:  the one I am using now.  Just trying to refine it a little and make it a little more useful and attractive.  I like the idea of rolling down the top like that article said.  I am also planning to put a pocket on the second generation.  Always looking to improve on what I am working with.

Marvin
Title: Re: "A Quiver To Hunt With"
Post by: Montauks on November 18, 2003, 03:42:00 PM
Thanks Mickey, will do

Gene
Title: Re: "A Quiver To Hunt With"
Post by: bjk on November 18, 2003, 03:54:00 PM
Rob, or anyone...where are you getting the leather for this type of project.  I would love to try my hand at a quiver!

Rob, still trying to chalk one up with the Mosshorn I picked up from you, close, but no cigar...yet   ;)   ...maybe this weekend
Title: Re: "A Quiver To Hunt With"
Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 18, 2003, 03:58:00 PM
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Originally posted by Marvin M.:
Rob,

Used your pattern for my first one,    :thumbsup:   the one I am using now.  Just trying to refine it a little and make it a little more useful and attractive.  I like the idea of rolling down the top like that article said.  I am also planning to put a pocket on the second generation.  Always looking to improve on what I am working with.

Marvin
Ya need REAL soft 'n' supple leather to make a nice looking top rollover.
Title: Re: "A Quiver To Hunt With"
Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 18, 2003, 04:00:00 PM
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Originally posted by bjk:
Rob, or anyone...where are you getting the leather for this type of project.  I would love to try my hand at a quiver!

Hidehouse -  http://www.hidehouse.com/  - I've used 8-10 oz latigo, using 6-7oz latigo now.

Rob, still trying to chalk one up with the Mosshorn I picked up from you, close, but no cigar...yet    ;)    ...maybe this weekend

Go get'em - good luck!


Title: Re: "A Quiver To Hunt With"
Post by: paradocs on November 18, 2003, 05:42:00 PM
Lance, you lookin' to make or buy?  If you're buying, take a look at Steve Catts' back quivers.  I just measured mine: 7" at the top, 5" at the bottom.  It's the Super Stalker model on his website, in elkhide.  Real light, supple and quiet.  22" tall, but I shoot 26.5" arrows, so that's fletches plus one inch, with broadheads.  I can't make arrows fall out, and I've tried.  I figure he'd make a taller one if you'd like.  The decorative feathers come off and go on easily.
                          Daryl
Title: Re: "A Quiver To Hunt With"
Post by: StanM on November 18, 2003, 06:32:00 PM
Montauks,

I'll second what Mickey says about the Thompson's Double Header.  I bought one from Dean and it's what I use to hunt with now.  By itself for deer, or in combination with a back quiver when out for small game.  I never take to the woods without a couple of broadheads.

Stan
Title: Re: "A Quiver To Hunt With"
Post by: huntsmanlance on November 20, 2003, 01:50:00 AM
That Thompsons Double Header is pretty cool looking! And the Solo Stalkers are great....but i like to have allot of arrows with me when i go stalking, and different tips.

Does anyone use the Plains Style quivers? It seems to me that they would have a problem with the broadheads cutting them up to easily when drawing....

The different types of side quivers.....the one like on Deans site, the others just like that one, and even those tube ones look ok, but do they work well?

I am sure this an age old problem since bows were used....but there has got to be a better way!!! LOL

Okie "on a quest now" Lance
Title: Re: "A Quiver To Hunt With"
Post by: RonT on November 20, 2003, 08:23:00 AM
I like the "Double Header' also.....Ooooops, wait a minute, is that a commercial endorsement???????  :rolleyes:  
RonT
Title: Re: "A Quiver To Hunt With"
Post by: joe skipp on November 20, 2003, 10:14:00 AM
There are some great backquivers being made today. In '77 I purchased a John Schulz latigo backquiver and it was the best quiver to hunt with. I learned how to manuever through brush and arrow removal was easy. The only problem was cold weather, when the quiver became stiff and noisy. I retired the quiver 2 yrs ago and went with a Dave Creger soft 8 oz quiver. I can roll this quiver up and stuff it in my duffel for my western hunts and its the quietest quiver I've seen because it totally collapses when riding on my back. Arrow removal is easy, comes with a large pouch and to protect the feathers, should I get caught in the rain, I use a Kathy Kelly fletching Hood in Advantage Camo. This hood comes with a stretch cord so it can be used with a bowquiver also. I can fit 8 arrows under this soft hood and adjust the cord to my many quiver straps. This hood comes in handy when I'm stillhunting and have some white dipped/fletched arrows in the quiver. This quiver rides tight against my back after adjusted to my clothing and moving through brush is a snap. I was so happy with the quiver, I became a dealer for Dave and have sold many through my shop.
Title: Re: "A Quiver To Hunt With"
Post by: Montauks on November 20, 2003, 10:43:00 AM
Joe, Does the fletching hood rub against the feathers creating noise?
Title: Re: "A Quiver To Hunt With"
Post by: joe skipp on November 20, 2003, 06:58:00 PM
No...the hood is a super soft material but what I did was have my butcher friend thread the smallest bungee cord through the hood slots so I can force the hood opening larger to cover more arrows. I'm going to upgrade to a wire (like in boonie hats that you can shape) to give the hood a more uniform lay around the arrows. You have to adjust the strap, which stretches if you use a bowquiver so you can remove or replace an arrow. For the backquiver, just pull the hood off and wrap it back on.
Title: Re: "A Quiver To Hunt With"
Post by: waterone on December 18, 2003, 01:55:00 PM
Rob:

I am re-opening one of your old threads, but have you ahd a chance to do anything with this quiver yet?

I currently use a Raptor Quiver, and am going to get one of the Chief quivers, if I can find the internet site agina, as I have been told that the quiver may have been redesigned.  But I do like a back quiver and this seems as it would be a good one.

chuck
Title: Re: "A Quiver To Hunt With"
Post by: Rob DiStefano on December 18, 2003, 02:10:00 PM
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Originally posted by waterone:
Rob:

I am re-opening one of your old threads, but have you ahd a chance to do anything with this quiver yet?
Nope, not time just yet - after the Holidays.